someone who can speak to this city so much she wrote a real love letter herself to this beautiful place.

一個非常能夠與這個城市對話的人，程度高到她寫了一封情書給這個美麗的地方。

It's Billie Eilish.

歡迎怪奇比莉。

I watched your documentary.

我看了妳的紀錄片。

I've been following you for as long as I can remember.

我一直都在追蹤你，時間久到我不記得了。

And there... there's a moment in your concert when you snapped your ankle and you... you walk off stage and you come out,

在你的演唱會中有一個時刻，當你折斷腳踝、走下舞臺又返回的時候，

and this is one of the reasons why I... I'm so in love with you, is because you say, "Look, I just want to do it a certain way."

而這也是我愛你的諸多原因之一，因為你直接地說：「聽著，我必須以特定方式做事。」

And people don't know how to, usually, be so honest in those moments.

而人們在那些時刻通常不知道該如何如此地坦承。

How do you just say it like it is?

你怎麼能直言不諱呢？

How do you know to do that?

你怎麼知道要這麼做？

That is such an art.

那是一種高尚的藝術。

You know, I've always been very, very strong-willed and honest, which I think is, like, a blessing and a curse.

我一直都有非常堅定的，也很誠實，而我認為這既是祝福也是詛咒。

But the funny thing is that the older I've gotten, the... the less confident I've gotten,

但有趣的是，我隨著年齡增長而變得更缺乏自信了，

and it's... it kind of made me like... almost...

而這，有點讓我變得⋯⋯

'Cause I watched th⏤ I rewatched the doc, like, a few weeks ago, and it made me cry.

因為我幾週前重看了紀錄片，那讓我哭了。

Because I was thinking how, like, free-spirited I was and how open-minded I was, and then, it's like, the media just, like, tears it away from you.

因為我想著，我當時是如何地自由奔放、思想開放，然後媒體就硬生生把它們從你身上奪走。

And it's, like, it's not fun right now,

然後感覺就是，現在不有趣了。

- ... so, it's, like, I'm trying to⏤ - I know.

- 所以，我嘗試要—— - 我懂。

I know, I'm trying to, like⏤I don't know.

我知道，我試著想要——我不知道。

- But I'm figuring it out. - Believe me, I get it.

- 但我正在釐清一切。 - 相信我，我懂。

I... and I... and I have such faith that you will, because even when you're struggling, you're aware of the struggle.

我很堅信你可以的，因為儘管你在掙扎，你也很清楚自己的掙扎。

You said something that really struck me in the documentary.

你在紀錄片中說了真切打動了我的話。

You... you really have this issue with the word "fans".

你真的對「粉絲」這個詞很有意見。

And I was wondering where that stems from.

我在想那個想法的根源是什麼。

I think that the reason that it was so weird to me was because one moment I was a fan, and then, suddenly, I was looked at as this, like, higher-up suddenly.

我覺得那對我來說很奇怪的原因是，我前一刻自己也是一個粉絲，然後突然就被視為好像高人一等的人物。

Even when I was 14, and it was so weird, because I was like, "I'm not even anyone; I just make music."

即使在我 14 歲的時候，那也非常奇怪，因為我心想：「我不是什麼人物，我只是想做音樂。」

And these kids that I feel like I already know suddenly, like, "Oh, they're Billie's fans, and then there's Billie."

然後那些我覺得我跟他們很熟悉的孩子們間突然有了「喔，他們是比莉的粉絲，然後那是比莉」的隔閡。

And, so, that's why it was so weird to me.

所以那就是這對我來說如此奇怪的原因。

But I think of them as, like, literally my skin, like, part of me, and, like, how I get through stuff, and, you know, they always have my back.

但我認為它們就像我的皮膚一樣，像我的一部分，不管我如何度過難關，他們總是支持我。

And, like, they're fans 'cause⏤just as much as I'm a fan, but that doesn't make them any less than me or anybody else, you know?

然後他們是粉絲，就如同我也是一個粉絲，但這並不意味著他們比我或任何其他人差，你懂嗎？

Now, one of the things that I'm also so in love with you for is your directing.

你還有一件讓我很愛的事情，也就是你做導演這件事。

Why did you know that you would be the one to take control and get your vision across?

你是怎麼知道你必須是掌控且把你的想法傳達出去的人？

I mean, I've always⏤I've... I've always had the ideas already.

我的意思是，我一直都是已經有那些想法。

I just didn't really know that I could do them myself for a while.

我只有有好一段時間不知道我可以自己做到。

But then after awhile, I was just like, "You know what? I want to do this."

但過了一段時間，我心想：「你知道嗎？我想要做這件事。」

Because I think I've realized that this is what I've wanted to do all along, and I can actually⏤

因為我想我發現了這是我一直都想做的事情，我其實可以——

Like, I have to prove myself, and I really had to prove myself, because who's gonna trust a little 15-year-old kid that doesn't have any experience at all?

我必須得證明自己，真正地證明自己，因為誰會相信一個沒有任何經驗的 15 歲小毛頭？

- But I did and it's been like, honestly, the best⏤ - Someone did.

- 但我做到了，然後真的是最棒的。 - 有人相信了。

Yeah. The best decision ever. Ever, ever.

對啊，有史以來最棒的決定。

And kind of like, you know⏤do you know Pippi Longstocking?

有點像⋯⋯你知道長襪子皮皮嗎？（譯註：瑞典童書主角，不依靠大人、不做不想做的事）

Yeah.

知道。

Hell, yeah.

當然知道。

She⏤The Go-Go's "Beauty and the Beat" album and Pippi Longstocking were, like, these two things that collided in my world when I was a little girl right here in Los Angeles.

在我還是個在洛杉磯生活的小女孩時，加油合唱團的《Beauty and the Beat》專輯和長襪子皮皮是在我世界造成衝撞的兩件事。

And they both showed me that, like, I could do anything; it didn't matter that I was a girl.

他們都讓我看到，我可以做到任何事情，我是女孩子是沒關係的。

And I didn't have to become a man or a man-hater.

我不需要成為男人或是厭男者。

I could be all things girl, but I could do anything.

我可以當個徹底的小女孩，但我什麼都可以做到。

- Yeah. - And... um...

- 是的。 - 然後，恩⋯⋯

I loved how personal you were about the marketing and putting out of your album.

我也很喜歡你把行銷和推出專輯變得如此私人。

How are you feeling about this album being out there now?

現在專輯上市了，你的感覺如何？

How does it feel?

感覺怎麼樣？

It feels good.

這感覺很好。

I was very, very, very nervous, uh, and very worried and anxious.

我當時非常、非常、非常緊張也非常擔心和焦慮。

'Cause also, you know, sophomore album is like⏤has more pressure than the first one, because... especially if people really liked the first one.

因為你知道的，第二張專輯的壓力通常比第一張的壓力大，因爲——尤其當人們很喜歡第一張時。

And it's my favorite thing in the world, and I have so much trust and love shoved into this project.

那是我全世界最喜歡的事情，我在這個專案中投注了很多信念與愛。

And I... I mean, it's terrifying that it's out in the world; it's, like⏤couldn't be scarier to me.

我是說，它現在在市面上是很恐怖的，我害怕極了。

But I'm also very happy and pleased and hope that, you know, people can actually listen to the lyrics and actually understand them and listen to me.

但我也非常高興、滿意，也希望人們可以聽歌詞然後真的了解它們，然後聽我的聲音。

And contribute it to their own life and, like, put it in their own situations, and, like...

然後把一切套入自己的生活，放在自己的情境中⋯⋯

I hope that it helps people and, like, just makes them⏤make a difference in their life and change something in their life that's been bothering them or something, 'cause that's what music is for.

我希望它可以幫到人，讓他們——在他們的人生中有影響，然後改變他們生活中讓他們困擾的事情，因為那就是音樂的目的。

Well, I love you, and I will be going to bed tonight⏤as I usually do⏤playing the PJ party video in my head and usually I'm there with you girls.

我愛你，我今晚會一如往常地在上床睡覺時，在腦中播放睡衣派對的影片，然後我就好像跟你們在一起一樣。

- Like... - Oh, my God, can we just...

- 就像⋯⋯ - 我的天啊，我們可以⋯⋯

Can we just be best friends, please?

我們可以做最好的朋友嗎，拜託？

I would love it.

我很願意。

I love you so much; this is an insanely, like, surreal interview.

我很愛你，這也是完全超現實的訪問。

I don't know why it's a big deal for you because it's an insanely enormous deal for me and you're Drew Barrymore so shut up.

我不知道為什麼這對你來說見了不起的事，因為這對我來說是個大事，畢竟你是茱兒·芭莉摩，所以閉嘴吧！

Thank you guys so much.

太感謝你們了。

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

謝謝、謝謝、謝謝你。

Her new album "Happier Than Ever" is available now

她的新專輯《怪樂的不得了》已經上市，

and accompanied by her cinematic concert experience, "Happier Than Ever: A Love Letter to Los Angeles", which is available on Disney+.

並伴隨著她電影般的演唱會經驗，《Happier than Ever：給洛杉磯的情書》可以在迪士尼+ 上收看。

I'm gonna say something directly to Billie.

我要直接對 Billie 說些什麼。

You deserve to be happier than ever.

你值得比以前更快樂。

It is a privilege to watch you on your journey.

看著你的旅程，我感到很榮幸。

You bring tears to my eyes at how much I love you.

你讓我為我對你的愛而流淚。

Thank you for allowing me to have a great conversation with you.

謝謝你允許我和你進行一場精彩的對話。