Hello everyone.

大家好。

I'm after Corbin writer and director of 20 something and a story supervisor at Pixar animation studios.

我是《20世紀》的作者和導演科爾賓之後，也是皮克斯動畫工作室的故事主管。

I'm sorry, jewish Turkey.

對不起，猶太人的土耳其。

And I'm the senior manager of engagement on the global public policy team at the walt Disney company.

我是華特迪士尼公司全球公共政策團隊的高級參與經理。

I'm very excited to dive in here at Disney plus voices, definitely.

我很高興能在這裡潛心研究迪斯尼加聲音，當然。

Likewise, I would love to know what inspired you to get into animation.

同樣，我也很想知道是什麼啟發了你進入動畫行業。

And was it something that you always wanted to do growing up?

這是你長大後一直想做的事情嗎？

I always loved animation, I would watch it.

我一直喜歡動畫，我會看。

Um and tv like everyone else saturday morning cartoons and then I started to I guess just ask questions like how how are they making this?

嗯，還有像其他人一樣的電視，週六早上的卡通片，然後我開始我想只是問一些問題，比如他們是如何製作這個的？

And I would take these drawings and try to do multiple drawings and like staple them, try to move it across my table fast.

我會拿著這些畫，試著做多張畫，像訂書一樣，試著在我的桌子上快速移動它。

I thought it was something close.

我想這是很接近的事情。

Yeah.

是的。

And flip books and stuff like that.

還有翻書之類的東西。

In high school, my brother was able to go to one school and I had to go to a different school.

在高中時，我哥哥可以去一所學校，而我不得不去另一所學校。

My brother took this animation class.

我哥哥上了這個動畫課。

Um actually at the school they had it as an elective, which is crazy and he thought he would take it as like an easy a but turns out animation is really hard.

實際上，在學校，他們把它作為選修課，這很瘋狂，他以為他會把它作為一個簡單的A，但結果發現動畫真的很難。

I was like so frustrated because I was like, this is what I want to do, like, like this is clearly the class I need to be in.

我當時很沮喪，因為我想，這就是我想做的事，就像，就像這顯然是我需要上的課。

So through a roundabout way.

所以通過一個迂迴的方式。

I was able to leave school for one period to take that class.

我能夠離開學校一節課來上那門課。

And it was one teacher who was really passionate about teaching this to students, just educating the students on this art form, shout out to teachers for constantly, just paving the right.

有一位老師真的很熱衷於向學生傳授這些知識，只是對學生進行這種藝術形式的教育，為老師們不斷地吶喊，只是為他們鋪平道路。

If it weren't for that class, who knows how I would have gotten into animation.

如果不是那門課，誰知道我怎麼會進入動畫領域。

Um it was definitely a huge kicking off point.

嗯，這絕對是一個巨大的啟蒙點。

That's incredible.

這真是不可思議。

I'm curious to know when did you feel like advocating for representation?

我很想知道，你是什麼時候覺得要倡導代表制的？

Was a calling of yours on something you were passionate about?

你的召喚是關於你所熱衷的事情嗎？

I'm a big reader, so I love just reading books like Sweet Valley High and the Babysitter's Club, but I felt like I never, ever saw myself, right, you didn't really have the main character leading Sweet Valley High, It was always the white blonde chicks.

我是個大讀者，所以我喜歡讀像《甜蜜谷高中》和《保姆俱樂部》這樣的書，但我覺得我從來沒有看到自己，對，你沒有真正讓主角上司甜蜜谷高中，總是白人金髮女郎。

Um and so that was kind of my middle school years and then high school years 9, 11 happened.

那是我的國中時代，然後是高中9年和11年。

One thing that really changed for me as a muslim woman is one I started to perceive myself as a muslim woman before that my religion was just something that was part of me, but it wasn't my main identity.

作為一個穆斯林婦女，真正改變我的一件事是，我開始把自己看作是一個穆斯林婦女，之前我的宗教只是我的一部分，但它不是我的主要身份。

And then all of a sudden it became the main part of me of how people define me.

然後突然間，它成了我的主要部分，人們如何定義我。

So when I felt like my black identity wasn't authentically represented in the books that I was reading and then my muslim identity was kind of just being negatively framed across the media.

是以，當我覺得我的黑人身份在我所讀的書中沒有得到真實的體現，然後我的穆斯林身份在整個媒體中被消極地框定。

So at that point it was like, I don't see myself anywhere, right who looks like me, Who can I turn to?

所以在那個時候，我就想，我在哪裡都看不到自己，對了，誰像我，我可以求助於誰？

And when I went off to college, I had a friend who started up this blog and it was really about giving minority women a voice to just tell their own stories.

當我去上大學時，我有一個朋友建立了這個博客，它真的是為了給少數民族婦女一個聲音，講述她們自己的故事。

And this is why representation is so important.

而這正是代表權如此重要的原因。

We should be out there telling our own stories.

我們應該在外面講述我們自己的故事。

So, I feel like for that That was the home moment where I was like, all right, how do I get further into the space?

所以，我覺得那是一個家的時刻，我想，好吧，我怎樣才能進一步進入這個空間？

How do I ensure that representation happens in every work that I do?

我如何確保在我所做的每項工作中都有代表性？

It's so interesting when you think about authentic representation because like you said, you don't really know you're different until someone points it out.

當你考慮到真實的代表性時，這是非常有趣的，因為就像你說的，你並不真正知道你是不同的，直到有人指出它。

It's also something when your identity is so misconstrued, right?

當你的身份被如此誤解時，這也是一件好事，對嗎？

And that's how Islam was so vilified after nine and 11, right?

這就是伊斯蘭教在 "9-11 "事件後被如此詆譭的原因，對嗎？

Like I was embarrassed sometimes to even be seen with my mother because I didn't wear a scarf at the time, but she did.

就像我有時甚至不好意思和我母親在一起，因為我當時沒有戴圍巾，但她戴了。

So I was like, oh man, people will see me and like, I think that I'm X right and that's awful right?

所以我當時想，哦，夥計，人們會看到我，就像，我認為我是X的權利，這是可怕的，對嗎？

To be embarrassed to be seen with your mother.

被人看到和母親在一起，會感到很尷尬。

I feel like it took a lot of just inner reflection for years afterwards to try to unravel that and Really figure out who I was without thinking about who society thought I was speaking of representation.

我覺得後來花了很多時間只是在內心反思，試圖解開這個問題，真正弄清楚我是誰，而不去想社會認為我是誰的代表。

I would love to know more about 20 something.

我很想知道更多關於20世紀的事情。

Um I will confess I watched it twice in the last 24 hours because it was so good.

我承認我在過去24小時內看了兩遍，因為它太精彩了。

How did that come about?

那是怎麼來的？

What kind of sparked that idea to create it?

是什麼激發了這個想法來創造它？

Yeah.

是的。

So I had been working at Pixar for about a three years or so.

所以我在皮克斯工作了大約三年左右。

When I was offered the opportunity to do a spark short and my immediate reaction was to panic.

當我被提供機會做一個火花短篇時，我的直接反應是驚慌。

Um and to not be excited and to get stressed out and to worry that I didn't know what I was doing.

嗯，不興奮，有壓力，擔心我不知道自己在做什麼。

I was too new for this was too green for this.

我太年輕了，不適合做這個，太年輕了。

I often worried like, am I even uh that imposter syndrome of Am I even ready?

我經常擔心，我是否準備好了？

Am I just going to look good for the company as like this black up and coming artist.

我是否只是要為公司看起來很好，就像這個黑色的新興藝術家。

Is this just a good publicity stuff?

這只是一個好的宣傳材料嗎？

And I had to talk to a lot of other story artists and colleagues and kind of squashed the imposter syndrome and know that like no, I am ready and the studio trusts me to do this.

我不得不與許多其他故事的藝術家和同事交談，並壓制了冒名頂替的綜合症，知道不，我已經準備好了，工作室信任我可以做這個。

And yes, also wants to see new perspectives.

是的，也希望看到新的視角。

It's not a negative thing when I was coming up for the idea for it.

當我想出這個主意的時候，這並不是一件負面的事情。

Just this imposter syndrome felt like such a fun place to dive deeper into you and this feeling of being in your twenties and feeling like um you don't know what you're doing.

只是這種冒名頂替的綜合症覺得是一個很有趣的地方，可以深入瞭解你和這種處於二十多歲的感覺，覺得嗯你不知道自己在做什麼。

So um and I just ran with it and had fun figuring out what these three would do on a night out on the town.

所以，我就順著它的意思，想出了這三個人在城裡的夜晚會做什麼，很有意思。

I loved it.

我喜歡它。

I felt like especially the scene where people are on the dance floor and you see them kind of turning into their childish selves.

我覺得特別是人們在舞池中的那場戲，你看到他們有點變成了幼稚的自己。

That was just so right, we all have a child in us that comes out.

這句話說得太對了，我們都有一個孩子在裡面，會出來的。

Yeah.

是的。

Do you feel like you have any personal gifts or talents creating global public policy?

你覺得你有什麼個人天賦或才能創造全球公共政策嗎？

I feel like policy in general is a bit, you know, it's if you don't have the network for it, you can always get in, which is why it's super white, I think.

我覺得一般來說，政策有點，你知道，如果你沒有網絡，你總是可以進入，這就是為什麼它是超級白人，我想。

Um so when the murder of George Floyd happened, um you know, bob chapek was like Disney needs to do more and we need to step up.

是以，當喬治-弗洛伊德的謀殺案發生時，嗯，你知道，鮑勃-查普克就像迪斯尼需要做更多，我們需要加強。

My team a large part due to me came up with this program called Public Policy New Voices.

我的團隊在很大程度上是由於我想出了這個名為 "公共政策新聲 "的項目。

So we worked with graduate students from minority backgrounds to provide them with mentorship guidance and network and this was something that happened because I was there, right?

是以，我們與來自少數民族背景的研究所學生合作，為他們提供導師指導和網絡，這是因我在那裡而發生的事情，對嗎？

Because I was like, listen as a black woman in the policy space, I don't see people like me, how can we support more people like myself?

因為我當時想，聽著作為一個黑人婦女在政策領域，我沒有看到像我這樣的人，我們怎樣才能支持更多像我這樣的人？

Because that support doesn't really exist.

因為這種支持並不真正存在。

Um I would love to know for you as well, right, what personal gifts and talents do you bring into our great question?

嗯，我也很想知道你，對了，你有什麼個人的禮物和才能帶入我們的大問題？

And I asked to you and I don't know what to say.

我問你，我不知道該說什麼。

Uh with 20 something I someone said that it was a like a secret truth that I was able to tap into that everyone experiences but can't really articulate and I guess it's something that I've always been able to dig into in the work that I've done, whether it's on Soul or Toy Story four is just fine.

呃......在《二十歲》中，我有人說，這就像一個祕密的真相，我能夠挖掘出每個人都經歷過但無法真正表達的真相，我想這是我一直能夠在我所做的工作中挖掘出的東西，無論是在《靈魂》還是《玩具總動員》中，都是如此。

Um, I guess get into the headspace of the character and really try to figure out what they're dealing with.

嗯，我想進入角色的頭腦空間，並真正嘗試弄清楚他們在處理什麼。

So along those lines, what stories centered around people of color and film and television.

是以，沿著這些思路，以有色人種和電影電視為中心的故事有哪些。

Do you feel like we aren't seeing and that you would like to see come to life?

你是否覺得我們沒有看到，而你想看到的東西出現在生活中？

I mean honestly just fun.

我的意思是，說實話，只是好玩。

I just wanted something fun.

我只是想找點樂子。

You know, when I was growing up I wanted the Black Sailor Moon or you know, I think it's really important to show uplift, thriving, being successful and giving hope excellent story.

你知道，當我長大的時候，我想要黑美少女，或者你知道，我認為展示振奮、茁壯、成功和給予希望的優秀故事真的很重要。

Yeah.

是的。

To see more of those.

要看到更多這樣的情況。

I feel like it's always the extremes, right?

我覺得它總是極端的，對嗎？

Yeah.

是的。

So based on what you've seen, what areas of media do you feel like you have had the most authentic representation of black women?

那麼，根據你所看到的，你覺得在哪些領域的媒體中，你對黑人女性的表現最為真實？

Honestly, I feel like the most authentic representation of black women is when black women themselves are telling the stories black women exist and if you give them resources and the support they can do it.

老實說，我覺得最真實的黑人婦女代表是黑人婦女自己在講述黑人婦女存在的故事，如果你給她們資源和支持，她們就能做到。

Just give them sort of the freedom to do what they want to do and tell their stories.

只要給他們某種自由，做他們想做的事，講他們的故事。

Um, and they'll do them well I want a black Ryan the last track and that's what I want.

嗯，他們會把它們做得很好，我想要一個黑色的瑞安的最後一個軌道，這就是我想要的。

I want like a fearless Warrior, black princess going off and doing things sci fi, fantasy space?

我希望像一個無畏的戰士，黑人公主去做科幻的事情，幻想的空間？

I feel like it's still very white and we don't really see black people in it as much.

我覺得它仍然很白，我們並沒有真正看到黑人在裡面。

I mean of course black panther is an exception, but we don't need just exceptions.

我的意思是，當然黑豹是一個例外，但我們不需要只有例外。

We needed to kind of become the more to add to that.

我們需要成為更多的人來補充這一點。

I feel like a range of black women.

我覺得自己是一系列的黑人婦女。

I feel like we're still stuck in a very specific looking black woman who is more lighter, complected wave your hair.

我覺得我們仍然停留在一個非常具體的看起來比較淺的黑人婦女，膚色的波浪你的頭髮。

I still feel like I don't see myself on screen or people darker than me.

我仍然覺得我沒有在螢幕上看到自己，也沒有看到比我更黑的人。

I'm so craving to just see myself or Black kids that um, that don't get visualized very often and that's something I was really determined to do with 20 something is just like making them darker again, I love that you did that because you are so right there is that type of like colorism that goes on, right?

我非常渴望看到自己或黑人孩子，嗯，他們不經常被視覺化，這是我真正決心要做的20件事，就像讓他們再次變黑一樣，我喜歡你這樣做，因為你是如此正確，有那種像膚色歧視一樣的情況發生，對嗎？

It's like, what will most audiences, like what will cater to a white audience basically?

這就像，大多數觀眾，像什麼會迎合白人觀眾基本上？

And I'm like, no, that's not.

而我想，不，那不是。

There's a whole spectrum of black women.

黑人婦女有一個完整的光譜。

Right.

對。

Right.

對。

I feel like you've accomplished so much in your career.

我覺得你在職業生涯中取得了很大的成就。

Have you ever thought about what you'd like your legacy to be for me being on the global public policy team.

你有沒有想過，你希望你的遺產是什麼，因為我是全球公共政策團隊的一員。

Like what can I do in these markets that aren't as focused on?

比如我可以在這些不那麼受關注的市場上做什麼？

Right.

對。

What about Africa?

非洲的情況如何？

What can we do to support storytellers there, can we Start some type of incubator program?

我們可以做些什麼來支持那裡的講故事的人，我們可以開始某種類型的孵化器計劃嗎？

So if I can just help uplift one child, have them tell an African story with an authentic African voice, you really get to showcase to the world.

是以，如果我能夠幫助提升一個孩子，讓他們用真實的非洲聲音講述一個非洲故事，你就真的可以向世界展示了。

I'm fine with that legacy.

我對這種遺產沒有意見。

It doesn't have to be big and lofty, just something where I can say, oh, I made an impact, I changed this life and helped get the story told.

它不一定要大，不一定要高，只要能讓我說，哦，我產生了影響，我改變了這個人的生活，並幫助把這個故事講出來。

What about you?

你呢？

I always think I want to tell the stories that I wanted to see when I was a kid and if I leave the animation industry and you know, the generation after me gets to grow up with stories with black and brown kids that I think I've done my part often.

我總是想，我想講我小時候想看的故事，如果我離開動畫行業，你知道，我之後的一代能在黑人和棕色孩子的故事中成長起來，我想我已經經常做了我的工作。

It's been so great connecting with you today.

今天與你聯繫真是太好了。

Thank you so much for joining me in this amazing conversation.

非常感謝你和我一起參加這次精彩的對話。

I had a wonderful time.

我有一個美好的時光。

Yes, thank you.

是的，謝謝你。

I had a great time as well.

我也過得很開心。

It was great to get to know you.

很高興能認識你。

Thanks so much for joining us on Disney Plus voices.

非常感謝你加入我們的Disney Plus聲音。

Watch these favorites and more and now streaming on Disney Plus.

觀看這些最受歡迎的節目和更多，現在在Disney Plus上播放。