That's why we, that's why we have these.

這就是為什麼我們，這就是為什麼我們有這些。

Mhm.

嗯。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Mhm.

嗯。

Yeah.

是的。

If you just evaluate what we have right now, there is probably almost as much surveillance going on in the U.

如果你只是評估我們現在擁有的東西，在美國可能有幾乎同樣多的監控在進行。

S.

S.

In England and London then it is as it is in china in America or the west.

在英國和倫敦，就像在美國或西方的中國一樣。

We have a lot of citizens saying let's not do that in china.

我們有很多公民說，讓我們不要在中國這樣做。

They don't have that.

他們沒有這個能力。

There is a possibility.

有一種可能性。

I believe that surveillance is inevitable in all the countries.

我相信，在所有國家，監控是不可避免的。

Japan, even in Japan china us we're gonna have more surveillance quantified self and the cameras.

日本，甚至在日本中國我們會有更多的監控量化的自我和攝影機。

V.

V.

R.

R.

A.

A.

R requires us to monitor everything.

R要求我們監控一切。

We do, we're going to have that.

我們有，我們要有。

And the question is can we do it in a way.

而問題是我們能否以一種方式來做。

Mhm.

嗯。

That feels good that people are comfortable with.

這感覺很好，人們都很舒服。

That doesn't feel like you're invading my privacy.

這並不覺得你在侵犯我的隱私。

I'm giving you this information voluntarily because I'm beginning some benefits all these kinds of things.

我自願給你這些資訊，因為我開始有些好處，所有這些東西。

And the question is it may be that China may actually discover how to do that before the U.

而問題是，中國可能真的在美國之前發現如何做到這一點。

S.

S.

Does.

是的。

So the way I would call it like they domesticate.

是以，我把它稱為像他們馴化的方式。

Are they civilized surveillance?

他們是文明的監視嗎？

What's called civilized surveillance Or domesticated surveillance or or harmonious surveillance or something where basically as volunteer surveillance And so it's possible actually will happen.

所謂的文明監視或馴化監視或和諧監視或什麼的，基本上是志願監視，所以有可能真的會發生。

And it was 10 culture.

而這是10種文化。

Do you think people will accept if you had asked 50 years ago in America where the people would accept the amount of surveillance that we have now today?

你認為人們會接受嗎？如果你問50年前的美國，人們會接受我們現在的監控量嗎？

They would say no way.

他們會說沒門。

But we accept it.

但我們接受它。

Why do we accept it accept it?

為什麼我們要接受它接受它？

Because we get benefits from it.

因為我們從中得到了好處。

Get benefits becoming safer in the society and safe get netflix tells you what you're going to what you should watch next amazon can tell you the better thing to buy because they're looking at your buying habits.

得到好處在社會上變得更安全，安全得到netflix告訴你你要到什麼你應該看下一個亞馬遜可以告訴你更好的東西買，因為他們在看你的購買習慣。

Mm um You get updates among your friends.

嗯，嗯，你在你的朋友中得到更新。

I mean so we get benefits.

我的意思是，這樣我們就能得到好處。

That's why we that's why we have these and we accept these to a degree that 50 years ago.

這就是為什麼我們......這就是為什麼我們有這些，而且我們接受這些的程度比50年前要高。

Nobody would believe that we would accept it.

沒有人會相信我們會接受它。

So yes, I think it's possible and plausible that we could have even more surveillance and that maybe the chinese to figure out first how to do this.

是以，是的，我認為有可能而且有道理，我們可以有更多的監控，也許中國人首先要想出如何做到這一點。

They are kind of advanced actually if it's really different fast and they advanced and actually comfortable and safe and useful for the human being.

他們實際上是一種先進的，如果它真的是不同的快速，他們先進的，實際上是舒適和安全的，對人類有用的。

Maybe I think it's just the conception of kind of the freedom of individuals and uh based on the Western values of individuals are really maybe the starting about that progress in the society.

也許我認為這只是一種個人自由的概念，基於西方的個人價值觀，也許真的是社會進步的開始。

Even some countries like china or some countries, even with dictators, who knows a lot about technologies that really will make it easier for such a harmonized surveillance country countries and maybe the countries whose sharing about the value of Western individuals will be maybe becoming being laid.

甚至一些國家，如中國或一些國家，即使是獨裁者，他們對技術有很多瞭解，真的會使這樣一個協調的監控國家國家更容易，也許那些分享西方個人價值的國家將可能成為正在奠定。

It's possible, mm.

這是有可能的，嗯。

So that's a big contradiction.

所以這是一個很大的矛盾。

And I'm not sure where Japan is positioned between that we are quite always between something.

而且我不確定日本的定位是什麼，我們很總是在一些東西之間。

Mhm.

嗯。

Mhm.

嗯。

Yeah, Yeah.

是的，是的。