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MY NEXT GUESTS ARE JOURNALISTS WHO HAVE BEEN COVERING NATIONAL

我的下一位客人是一直在報道全國性事件的記者。

POLITICS FOR OVER A DECADE.

十多年來的政治。

NOW THEY'RE CO-FOUNDERS OF "PUNCHBOWL NEWS" AND HOSTS OF

現在他們是 "拳王新聞 "的創始人之一，也是 "拳王新聞 "的主持人。

"THE DAILY PUNCH" PODCAST.

"每日快報 "PODCAST。

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW," ANNA PALMER AND JAKE

歡迎回到 "晚間秀"，安娜-帕爾默和傑克。

SHERMAN.

SHERMAN.

ANNA, JAKE, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

安納，傑克，謝謝你來這裡。

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

>> 謝謝你的邀請。

>> Stephen: BEFORE WE GET INTO ANYTHING ELSE, YOU BOTH REPORTED

>> 史蒂芬：在我們進入任何事情之前，你都報告了

ON CONGRESS FOR OVER A DECADE.

十多年來，在國會。

I WANT TO ASK YOU-- I'VE HEARD THAT'S KIND OF A CRAZY BEAT,

我想問你... ... 我聽說那是一種瘋狂的節奏。

THAT THAT'S LIKE A SEVEN-DAYS-A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR.

這就像一個星期七天，一年三百六十五天。

YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY ALWAYS WORKING.

你總是在工作。

IS THAT TRUE?

是真的嗎？

>> IT IS, UNFORTUNATELY.

>> 不幸的是，它是。

>> YES.

>> 是。

>> Stephen: AND YOU-- AND YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY NO SOCIAL LIFE

>> 史蒂芬: 而你 -- 而你根本就沒有社會生活。

OUTSIDE OF THE JOB BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU HAVE TIME TO GO OUT FOR

在工作之外，因為每次你有時間出去玩的時候

DRINKS, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT WITH SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE A SOURCE

飲料，你必須與一些人出去 誰可能是一個源頭。

FOR YOU ON CAPITOL HILL.

為你在國會山。

IS THAT TRUE?

是真的嗎？

>> IT'S NOT UNTRUE.

>> 它不是不真實的。

( LAUGHTER ) REPUBLICAN.

（笑）共和黨人。

>> Stephen: YOU'RE NOT UNDER OATH.

>> 你沒有宣誓。

IT'S OKAY.

它的確定。

YOU CAN-- YOU CAN FUDGE IF YOU WANT.

你可以... ... 如果你想的話，你可以糊弄。

IT'S ALL RIGHT.

它的所有權利。

BUT THEN-- OKAY, SO, BUT, THEN, ALL YOUR FRIENDS ARE THE PEOPLE

但是，然後... ... 好吧，所以，但是，然後，你所有的朋友都是人。

WHO ARE YOUR SOURCES, AND THEN YOU'RE THE PEOPLE WHO THEY WANT

誰是你的來源，然後你就是他們想要的人。

TO PLANT, YOU KNOW, STORIES WITH.

種植，你知道，故事與：

DO YOU GUYS EVER, LIKE, GET MAD-- DO YOUR FRIENDS ON CAPITOL

你們有沒有，喜歡，生氣 - 做你的朋友在國會大廈

HILL EVER GET MAD AT YOU FOR WRITING ABOUT THEM?

會不會因為你寫他們的事而生氣？

AND DO YOU EVER GET MAD AT THEM FOR PLANTING STORIES WITH YOU,

你有沒有因為他們給你安插故事而生氣？

LIKE THIS MUTUAL SORT OF CODEPENDENCY?

喜歡這種相互依賴的關係嗎？

>> WELL, I HAVE-- I HAVE A "NO FRIEND ZONE" ON CAPITOL HILL PB

>> 好吧，我有 - 我有一個 "沒有朋友區 "在國會山PB

SO I TRY NOT TO BE FRIEND WITH ANYBODY WHO I WRITE ABOUT, WILL

所以我儘量不和我寫的人做朋友，會的。

WRITE ABOUT, MIGHT WRITE ABOUT, OR MIGHT EVEN THINK ABOUT.

寫一下，可能寫一下，或者甚至可能想一下。

SO IT'S A GOOD RULE-- IT'S A GOOD RULE OF THUMB WHEN YOU'RE

所以這是一個很好的規則 -- 這是一個很好的規則，當你是一個好的拇指。

COVERING CONGRESS.

報道國會：

>> Stephen: ANNA, DO YOU HAVE A "NO FRIEND ZONE."

>> 安納，你有一個 "沒有朋友區 "嗎？

>> NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

>> 不，我不知道他在說什麼。

I THINK OUR JOB IS CHARM, DISARM, GET PEOPLE TO TELL YOU

我想我們的工作就是吸引人，解除武裝，讓人們告訴你。

INFORMATION THAT COULD GET THEM FIRED.

可能讓他們被解僱的資訊。

( LAUGHTER ).

（笑）：

>> Stephen: AND HOW MANY TIMESES HAVE YOU HAD TO PUNCH

>> 史蒂芬：你打了多少次？

MONORAJU IN THE THROAT TO GET TO MITCH McCONNELL BEFORE HE CAN?

MONORAJU在喉嚨裡得到MITCH McCONNELL之前？

>> IT'S FUNNY YOU SAY THAT.

>> 你這樣說很有趣。

WE WORKED WITH HIM FOR A VERY LONG TIME AT POLITICO, AND HE

我們和他在政治人物雜誌工作了很長時間，他也是

IS-- HE IS KNOWN TO JUMP OUT OF BUSHES AND BE AROUND A CORNER

是... ... 他知道跳出灌木叢，並在一個角落裡。

WHEN YOU LEAST WANT TO SEE HIM.

當你最不想看到他的時候，

I MEAN, HE IS OUR FRIEND.

我是說，他是我們的朋友。

WE DON'T REPORT ON HIM.

我們不報告他。

HE DOESN'T JUMP OUT OF BUSHES ON US --

他不跳出灌木叢對我們 -

>> Stephen: I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO BEAT HIM TO THE CONGRESSMEN.

>> 我的意思是，你得把他打到國會去。

YOU HAVE TO BEAT HIM.

你必須打敗他。

>> RIGHT.

>> 右邊。

BUT WE ALSO DON'T PUNCH HIM.

但我們也不打他。

>> Stephen: ANNA, DO YOU PUNCH HIM?

>> 安納，你打他嗎？

>> NO THE PUNCHBOWL IS THE ONLY PUNCHING I'M DOING THESE DAYS.

>> 不，這幾天我只打了拳頭。

>> Stephen: JAKE, YOU WERE IN THE CAPITOL DURING THE ATTACK.

>> 傑克，襲擊時你在首都。

WHAT WAS THAT EXPERIENCE LIKE?

那次經歷是怎樣的？

>> IT WAS VERY SEARING.

>> 它是非常SEARING。

IT'S LIKE-- NOT TO MINIMIZE IT AT ALL-- BUT IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY

這就像... ... 不是要最小化它，但它就像有人

COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE-- I MEAN, WE BASICALLY LIVE IN THE

我的意思是，我們基本都住在這裡。

CAPITOL.

CAPITOL：

WE SPEND ALL OF OUR DAYS THERE, 12 HOURS A DAY FOR THE LAST

我們在那裡度過了所有的日子，每天12小時，在過去的一年裡，我們的工作是在那裡。

DECADE OR SO.

十年左右。

AND IT'S LIKE SOMEONE COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE AND INVADING IT.

就好像有人闖進你的房子裡 侵佔了你的房子。

IT WAS VERY SCARY.

這是很可怕的。

I MEAN, PEOPLE WERE BANGING ON THE DOORS, WHEREAS AT A CERTAIN

我是說，人們都在敲門，而在某一時刻...

POINT OUR OFFICE AND THE CAPITOL IS JUST, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF

我們的辦公室和首都只是，你知道，幾個

HUNDRED FEET OR SO FROM THE HOUSE FLOOR, WHERE KIND OF THE

離房子地面幾百英尺左右的地方，哪裡有什麼樣的人？

CENTER STAGE OF THE INSURRECTION, WHERE SOMEONE WAS

在保險中心階段，有人在那裡被殺害

SHOT AND KILLED.

被射殺。

AND WE WERE-- WE TURNED TO EACH OTHER AT SOME POINT IN THIS ROOM

我們 -- 我們在這間屋子裡的某一個點上互相轉過身來。

AND SAID TO OURSELVES, "HOW DO WE MAKE SURE NO ONE FINDS US?"

並對我們說，"我們如何確保沒有人發現我們？"

THERE'S A BIG SIGN ON THE DOOR THAT SAYS "PRESS," "PERIODICAL

門上有個大牌子，上面寫著 "新聞"、"定期"。

PRESS," WHICH IS NOT COMFORTING.

壓"，這並不令人欣慰。

WE DIDN'T GET EVACUATED UNTIL SEVERAL HOURS INTO THE

我們直到幾個小時後才被疏散出來。

INSURRECTION.

保險：

IT WAS SOMETHING I'VE NEVER FORGET.

這是我永遠不會忘記的事情。

IT WAS VERY-- VERY ALARMING AND VERY FRIGHTENING.

它是非常 -- 非常驚心動魄的，非常可怕的。

>> Stephen: YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT VIOLATION OF YOUR

>> 你知道嗎？

WORKSPACE, AND OF COURSE OF THE SORT OF DEMOCRATICALLY SACRED

工作場所，當然也包括那種民主神聖的工作場所。

SPACE FOR AMERICANS, WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE TO BE REPORTING ON

美國人的空間，報道的感覺是什麼？

CONGRESS RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE LIKE TED CRUZ AND JOSH

當你看到像TED CRUZ和JOSH這樣的人時，現在的國會。

HAWLEY OUT THERE STROKING THEIR CHINS AND GOING, "OH, GOSH, I

霍利在那裡摸著下巴，去，"哦，天哪，我。

WONDER HOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD HAVE COME ABOUT?"

不知道怎麼會有這樣的事情發生？"

>> I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT, RIGHT.

>> 我覺得這很難，對吧。

I MEAN, WE ALL EXPERIENCED IT.

我的意思是，我們都經歷了它。

WE SAW THAT IT WAS AN ARMED INSURRECTION.

我們發現這是一起武裝保險。

THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE MEMBERS GASLIGHLIGHTING AND KIND OF SAYI

事實上，你有成員GASLIGHLIGHTING和KIND OF SAYI

THAT THEY WEREN'T ARMED, IT'S JUST FALSE.

他們沒有武裝，這是錯誤的。

AND I USED TO ALWAYS TELL ME MOM, "DON'T WORRY.

我總是告訴我媽媽，"不要擔心。

WE'RE IN THE CAPITOL.

我們在首都。

WE'RE IN THE SAFEST PLACE THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN.

我們是在最安全的地方，可能會發生。

D.C. HAS SO MANY PROTESTS."

華盛頓特區有這麼多的抗議活動。"

AND TO SEE IT TOTALLY DESECRATED LIKE THAT WITH SO MUCH DISREGARD

看到它被完全毀壞而又如此無視它的存在

AND, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IT WAS REALLY PLANNED, YOU KNOW,

而且，你知道，事實是，它是計劃好的，你知道。

OUT.

出。

IT'S VERY SCARY.

很可怕的。

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY ALARMING TO THINK THAT THESE MEMBERS--

我覺得這些成員...

THERE ARE ONLY A FEW OF THEM, BUT THEY ARE LOUD, AND THEY ARE

他們只有幾個，但他們是響亮的，而且他們是

REALLY PLANTING FALSEHOODS INTO THE PUBLIC.

真正把假話栽贓給公眾。

>> Stephen: WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE G.O.P.

>> Stephen: G.O.P.的幕後工作是什麼？

BETWEEN THE FACTIONS THAT WANT TO STAY CONNECTED TO DONALD

希望與唐納德保持聯繫的行動之間的關係

TRUMP, AND THOSE WHO WANT TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES?

特朗普，還有那些想離間自己的人？

>> WE WROTE THIS MORNING THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS PERHAPS

>> 我們今天早上寫道，共和黨可能是

MORE ADRIFT THAN IT HAS BEEN AT ANY POINT SINCE WATERGATE.

比水門事件以來的任何時候都要嚴重。

I MEAN, WE HAVE A SMALL MINORITY OF THE G.O.P.-- WHICH, BY THE

我的意思是，我們有一小部分的G. O. P.

WAY, INCLUDES MITCH McCONNELL.

WAY，包括MITCH McCONNELL。

TODAY RAJU ASKED MITCH McCONNELL AT A NEWS CONFERENCE

TODAY RAJU ASKED MITCH McCONNELL AT A NEWS CONFERENCE(新聞發佈會)

I WAS AT BASICALLY WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE-- WHETHER HE REGRETS

我在基本的地方，他應該有 - 無論他是否後悔。

SPEAKING OUT AGAINST TRUMP.

反對特朗普的言論。

AND McCONNELL SAID, "I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ABOUT

麥康奈爾說："我對你沒有更多的評論。

THAT EPISODE," OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

那一集 "或類似的東西。

SO HE'S NOT EVEN SAYING DONALD TRUMP'S NAME ANYMORE.

所以，他甚至不說唐納德・特朗普的名字了。

BUT IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH ENERGY IS SPENT TRYING TO KEEP DONALD

但令人驚訝的是，有多少能量被花費試圖保持唐納德。

TRUMP HAPPY.

特朗普高興了。

I MEAN, IT'S JUST-- GOING DOWN TO MAR-A-LAGO.

我是說，這只是... ... 去MAR -A -LAGO。

, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT COMES TO

確保人們在涉及以下問題時在同一戰線上。

DONALD TRUMP, IT'S JUST AMAZING TO WATCH THE ENERGY THAT'S

唐納德-特魯姆普，這只是一個令人驚歎的能量，這就是所謂的。

EXPENDED, THAT'S SPENT KEEPING THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAPPY.

花了，那是用來讓前任總統高興的。

>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

>> 我們得快速休息一下。

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH ANNA PALMER AND JAKE SHERMAN OF

我們馬上回來與安娜-帕爾默和傑克-謝爾曼的。

"PUNCHBOWL NEWS."

"拳頭碗新聞。"

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