♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY,

嘿，EVERYBODY。

WELCOME BACK.

歡迎回來。

I'M PRETTY EXCITED.

我非常興奮。

MY NEXT GUEST IS A JESUIT PRIEST AND AUTHOR AND EDITOR AT LARGE

我的下一位客人是一位耶穌會的牧師，同時也是一位作家和編輯，他的名字叫 "JESUIT"。

OF "AMERICA" MAGAZINE.

"美國 "雜誌。

HIS LATEST BOOK IS CALLED "LEARNING TO PRAY."

他最新的書叫做 "學會禱告"。

PLEASE WELCOME TO "A LATE SHOW," FATHER JIM MARTIN.

請歡迎來到 "晚間秀"，吉姆・馬丁教父。

FATHER JIM, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

吉姆教父，很高興見到你。

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> 很高興見到你。

>> Stephen: I ASSUME AS A PRIEST YOU ARE WILLING TO

>> 斯蒂芬：我猜想作為一個牧師，你會願意

FORGIVE ME FOR BUMPING YOU BEFORE CHRISTMAS, BECAUSE WE HAD

原諒我在聖誕節前打了你，因為我們有了

THE BIDENS ON AT THE LAST MINUTE.

比登斯在最後一分鐘。

>> YES, I GIVE YOU A FULL ABSOLUTION FOR THAT.

>> 是的，我給你一個滿分。

>> Stephen: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> 斯蒂芬：非常感謝你。

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> 歡迎您的到來。

>> Stephen: I INTERVIEWED YOU NINE TIMES OVER "THE COLBERT

>> 史蒂芬：我在 "科爾伯特 "上採訪了你九次。

REPORT," COMPLETISTS OF STEPHEN■ COLBERT, WE KNOW THAT YOU WERE

報告》，"斯蒂芬■科爾伯特的完成者，我們知道你是。

THE CHAPLAIN OF COLBERT NATION.

科爾伯特國家的牧師。

NOW WE'RE ON NETWORK.

現在我們在網絡上。

DO I NEED TO MAKE YOU AT LEAST MONSIGNOR.

我需要讓你至少籤個字嗎？

DO WE NEED TO KICK YOU UP TO BISHOP OF THE COLBERT NATION?

我們要不要把你踢到科爾伯特國家主教的位置上？

WHAT SHALL IT BE.

什麼是它。

>> THAT'S A LITTLE GRAND FOR A JESUIT.

>> 這對一個耶穌教徒來說是個小驚喜。

CHAPLAIN IS FINE.

CHAPLAIN IS FINE。

>> Stephen: REALLY?

>> Stephen:真的嗎？

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DESIRE TO WEAR THE SCARLET OR THE BERETTA

你不希望穿上SCARLET或BERETTA的衣服。

OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

或類似的東西？

>> WE JEZ WITS MAKE A PROMISE NOT TO ASPIRE FOR HIGH OFFICE SO

>> 我們JEZ WITS承諾不追求高職位，所以...

CHAPLAIN IS JUST GREAT.

CHAPLAIN只是偉大的。

>> Stephen: WAIT A SECOND, THAT'S NOT QUITE-- THAT DOESN'T

>> 等一下，這不完全...

QUITE PASS THE SMELL TEST.

相當合格的氣味測試。

WE HAVE OUR FIRST JESUIT POPE RIGHT NOW.

我們有我們的第一個耶穌會教皇現在。

AREN'T YOU GUYS DOING A LITTLE BIT OF AN END ZONE DANCE WHEN HE

你們是不是在做一點點的終結區的舞蹈，當他。

BECAME THE POPE.

成為教皇。

>> HE DOESN'T STRIVE FOR IT.

>> 他不爭取它。

THAT'S THE JESUIT DISTINCTION THERE.

這就是耶穌會的區別。

>> Stephen: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NEW BOOK "LEARNING TO

>> 史蒂芬：我想談談新書《學會做人》。

PRAY ."

祈禱。"

I ENCOURAGE COULD LEARN A ABOUT PRAYING.

我鼓勵大家學習禱告。

I DESCRIBED MY-- I TOLD YOU WHY I PRAY.

我描述了我的... ... 我告訴你我為什麼祈禱。

I BELIEVE IN THE NICEST WAY POSSIBLE, YOU DESCRIBED MY

我相信，在最好的方式可能，你描述了我的。

PRAYING AS SOME ACADEMIC.

祈禱作為一些學術。

( LAUGHTER ).

（笑）：

>> I'M SURE I MEANT THAT IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY.

>> 我肯定我是以最好的方式來表達的。

>> Stephen: YOU DID, BECAUSE I HAD A "I DID IT!"

>> 斯蒂芬：你做到了，因為我有一個 "我做到了！"。

YOU'RE LIKE, LOOSEN UP, BABY.

你是喜歡，放鬆了，寶貝。

IMPROV.

IMPROV.

WHAT ARE SOME DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE DON'T CONSIDER

人們不考慮的不同方式有哪些？

PRAYING.

祈禱：

I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE IN COVID RIGHT NOW, MANY PEOPLE ARE

我知道這麼多的人在COVID現在，很多人都是。

TURNING TO THEIR FAITH, AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING FOR THEM

轉向他們的信仰，而這對他們來說是非常混亂的。

BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATIONS OF SOCIAL DISTANCING, PEOPLE DON'T

由於社會距離的限制，人們不。

FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING TO CHURCH.

去教堂的時候感覺很舒服。

I'VE BEEN A FEW TIMES, BUT I STILL DO FEEL A LITTLE

我去了幾次，但我還是覺得有點。

UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN I HEAR SOMEBODY COUGHING IN THE-- IN

當我聽到有人在... ...在...

THE SACRISTY.

聖徒。

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO PRAY.

>> 有很多不同的方法來禱告。

I TALK ABOUT THEM IN MY BOOK.

我在我的書裡談到了它們。

IT DEPENDS WHO YOU ARE.

這取決於你是誰。

THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO PRAY.

沒有正確的祈禱方式。

YOU CAN SAY THERE ARE CONTENT-HEAVY WAYS, AND MORE

你可以說有內容重的方式，還有更多的方式

MORE CONTENT-LIGHT PRAYER, WHERE YOU IMAGINE YOURSELF IN THE

更多內容--光禱告，你在哪裡想象自己在哪裡？

PRESENCE OF GOD.

上帝的存在。

IT DEPEND WHERE YOU ARE.

這取決於你在哪裡。

AND ALSO DEPEND ON WHERE YOU ARE IN YOUR LIFE, BECAUSE DIFFERENT

也取決於你在你的生命中的位置，因為不同的

KINDS OF PRAYER CAN APPEAL TO YOU, YOU KNOW, AT DIFFERENT

禱告的種類可以吸引你，你知道，在不同的時間段。

TIMES OF YOUR LIFE.

你生命中的時間。

>> Stephen: YOU SAID THERE'S NO WRONG WAY TO PRAY.

>> 史蒂芬：你說過祈禱沒有錯誤的方式。

BUT HAVEN'T THE LAST 2,000 YEARS BEEN, YOU KNOW, REPLETE WITH

但過去的2000年不都是，你知道的，用你的名字來代替嗎？

BATTLES OVER THE FACT, YOU KNOW, LIKE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH YOU

爭奪的事實，你知道，像教會的成員，你。

AND I BELONG TO FIGHTING WITH PERHAPS OFFSHOOTS OR OTHER GREAT

我屬於與可能的OFFSHOOTS或其他偉大的戰鬥。

CHURCHES IN THE WORLD, LIKE THE 1054 WHERE THE GREEKS BROKE UP

世界上的教會，如1054年，希臘人在那裡分裂了

BECAUSE WE ADDED THAT TO THE CREED.

因為我們在教義里加了這個。

THERE ARE FIGHTS OVER THE RIGHT WAY TO PRAY.

在正確的禱告方式上有爭論。

LET'S NOT GLOSS OVER HISTORY HERE, JIM.

我們不要忽視歷史，吉姆。

>> THAT'S TRUE.

>> 這是真的。

AND I AM NOT USED TO HEARING THAT ON LATE NIGHT.

我不習慣在深夜聽到這些話。

THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

這是非常令人印象深刻的。

>> Stephen: YOU SHOULD WATCH THE SHOW MORE.

>> 史蒂芬：你應該多看看這個節目。

WE TALK ABOUT IT ONCE A WEEK.

我們每週都會談論它。

>> I THINK THE KEY-- CERTAINLY THERE ARE RELIGIOUS BATTLES --

>> 我想關鍵是... ... 肯定是有宗教爭鬥... ...

BUT THE KEY IS THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG WAY TO PRAY, SO WHAT

但關鍵是，祈禱的方式沒有對錯，那麼，怎麼辦呢？

YOU FEEL DRAWS YOU INTO GOD'S PRESENCE IS FINE.

你的感覺吸引你進入上帝的存在是很好的。

YOU SHOULDN'T SAY TO SOMEONE, "YOU SHOULDN'T PRAY THE ROSARY."

你不應該對別人說："你不應該祈禱玫瑰花。"

IT'S WHATEVER SUITS YOU BEST.

適合你的才是最好的。

IT'S YOUR PERSONALITY.

這是你的個性。

DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT KIND OF PRAYER AND

不同種類的人喜歡不同種類的禱告，不同種類的人喜歡不同種類的禱告。

THAT'S OKAY.

這沒關係。

IT'S LIKE RELATIONSHIPS.

這就像關係。

YOU RELATE TO PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

你以不同的方式與人交往。

THAT'S OKAY.

這沒關係。

IT'S BEING OPEN TO NEW WAYS OF PRAYING AND DIFFERENT WAYS OF

敞開心扉，接受新的禱告方式和不同的禱告方式。

PRAYING.

祈禱：

>> Stephen: IS THERE A SURPRISING WAY OF PRAYING?

>> 斯蒂芬: 有沒有一種令人驚訝的禱告方式？

DOES PRAYER HAVE TO INCLUDE WORD.

禱告是否必須包括文字。

>> NO, I MEAN, OFTENTIMES IT DOESN'T.

>> 不，我是說，很多時候並沒有。

OFTENTIMES PEOPLE LIKE TO PRAY JUST IN GOD'S PRESENCE, AND IT'S

很多時候，人們喜歡在神的面前禱告，而這也是神的旨意。

WORDLESS, AND THEY FEEL A SENSE OF GOD'S PRESENCE.

無字，他們感覺到了上帝的存在。

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GO TO THE OCEAN, AND YOU SEE THE SEA

例如，你去了海洋，你就看到了大海。

ALMOST AS AN IMAGE OF GOD'S IMMENSITY OR VASTNESS.

幾乎是神的巨大或浩瀚的形象。

I MEAN, THE OCEAN IS NOT GOD, BUT YOU CAN PRAY WITH THOSE KIND

我是說，海洋不是上帝，但你可以和這些人一起祈禱。

OF IMAGES WHICH IS WORDLESS AND DRAWS YOU INTO A SENSE OF GOD'S

的影像，它是無言的，並吸引你進入神的感覺。

PRESENCE.

存在。

>> Stephen: THE OCEAN IS NOT GOD.

>> 海洋不是上帝。

I READ "MOBEY DICK."

我讀 "MOBEY DICK"。

WE'RE BOTH LIFELONG CATHOLICS, AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TO

我們都是終生信奉天主教的人，而你應該去參加

CHURCH.

教會：

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE COMMUNION AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR.

你應該至少每年接受一次午餐。

THAT'S THE RULE.

這就是規則。

WHAT ABOUT NOW DURING COVID?

那現在呢，科維德？

ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL DISPENSATIONS GOING ON OUT

是否有任何特殊的津貼在外面進行。

THERE?

在那裡？

>> YES, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE IT, ESPECIALLY IF

>> 是的，人們要做到這一點非常困難，特別是如果。

THEY'RE ELDERLY OR SICK.

他們是老人或病人。

A LOT OF BISHOPS AND EVEN PASTORS HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEING

很多主教，甚至牧師都說過要做一個好人。

DISPENSED, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO IF YOU'RE IN DANGER.

分散的，如果你有危險就不用去了。

THERE'S A WONDERFUL PRAYER ABOUT SPIRITUAL COMMUNION THAT EVEN IF

有一個關於靈性團契的奇妙禱告，即使是

YOU DON'T-- EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT THERE PHYSICALLY TO RECEIVE THE

你不需要... 即使你不在現場接受治療

EUCHARIST, THAT YOU HAVE A DESIRE FOR IT, AND I THINK GOD

你對它有慾望，我想上帝也是這樣想的。

UNDERSTANDS THAT.

明白了。

>> Stephen: LET'S TALK ABOUT 2021.

>> 史蒂芬：我們來談談2021年。

POPE DECLARED THIS YEAR THE YEAR OF ST. JOSEPH.

教皇宣佈今年為聖約瑟夫年。JOSEPH.

WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE?

有什麼意義？

WHY HAS HE GIVEN SAINT JOE THE BIG JOB?

為什麼他給了聖喬一個大工作？

>> HE'S VERY DEVOTED TO JOSEPH, AND I THINK JOSEPH IS THE

>> 他很喜歡約瑟夫，我認為約瑟夫才是最重要的。

PERFECT SAINT FOR THE PANDEMIC.

完美的聖人PANDEMIC。

HE LEADS WHAT THEOLOGIANS CALL THE HIDDEN LIFE.

他過著神學家所說的隱祕的生活。

WE KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT JOSEPH, OTHER THAN HE WAS A

我們對約瑟夫知之甚少，只知道他是一個人。

CARPENTER.

木匠：

HE IS GIVEN NO LINES TO SPEAK IN THE NEW TESTAMENT AND HE LEADS A

在新約中，他沒有被賦予任何發言權，而他卻帶領著一個...

LIFE OF GREAT SERVICE TO JESUS.

為耶穌服務的一生。

AND WE THINK OF PEOPLE TODAY DURING COVID LEADING HIDDEN

我們想到今天的人們在科維德上司的隱蔽的期間

LIVES.

生活。

GOD SEES THE SACRIFICES THEY'RE MAKING.

上帝看到他們所做的犧牲。

THEY DON'T MAKE THE FRONT PAGES OF THE NEWSPAPER AND THEY'RE

他們沒有上報紙的頭版，而且他們是。

VERY VALUABLE.

非常有價值的。

I THINK JOSEPH IS A BEAUTIFUL PANDEMIC SAINT IS THERE I LIKE

我覺得約瑟夫是一個美麗的潘德米克聖人，我喜歡那裡。

THE PATRON SAINT OF A HAPPY MARRIAGE-- OF A GOOD MARRIAGE

幸福婚姻的守護神--美好婚姻的守護神。

AND A HAPPY DEATH.

和一個快樂的死亡。

>> AND A HAPPY DEATH, THAT'S RIGHT.

>> 和一個快樂的死亡，這是正確的。

>> Stephen: JESUS ON ONE SIDE, MARY ON THE OTHER.

>> 耶穌在一邊，瑪麗在另一邊。

CAN'T DO MUCH BETTER THAN THAT.

不能做得比這更好。

>> YOU CAN'T, RIGHT.

>> 你不能，對吧。

>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK, BUT WHEN WE COME

>> 我們必須快速休息一下，但是當我們回來的時候。

BACK, I WILL ASK FATHER MARTIN IF DURING COVID YOU REALLY HAVE

回頭，我要問馬丁教父，如果你在科維德期間真的有...

TO GIVE SOMETHING UP.

要放棄一些東西。

WE HAVE ALREADY GIVEN SO MUCH UP.

我們已經放棄了這麼多。