and social-media superstar.

和社交媒體超級明星。

I mean, seriously superstar.

我的意思是，嚴重的超級明星。

She has 32 million followers on TikTok

她在TikTok上擁有3200萬粉絲。

and over 12 million subscribers on her YouTube channel.

在她的YouTube頻道上有超過1200萬訂閱者。

She works hard. She deserves it.

她努力工作。她應該得到它。

She's currently working on a new project

她目前正在進行一個新項目

that she is announcing tonight.

她今晚宣佈。

I can't wait. Here is Jojo Siwa!

我已經等不及了這就是啾啾四娃！

-Hey! I'm so excited!

-嘿，我太興奮了！

Thank you for having me. -Welcome back.

謝謝你邀請我。-歡迎回來

Thanks for being here.

謝謝你來這裡。

I know it's over zoom, but we appreciate it.

我知道這是過度放大，但我們很感激。

We have so much to talk about. -We do.

我們有很多事情要談-是的

-One of the things I love about you

-我喜歡你的原因之一

and your fans love about you is that you are always yourself.

而你的粉絲們對你的喜愛是你永遠是你自己。

You're always you. -Yes.

你永遠是你-是的

-And you're always leading by example

-而你總是以身作則

and spreading positivity, very positive.

和傳播積極性，非常積極。

-Thank you. -And you continue to do that

-謝謝你-而你繼續這樣做

now more than ever. Two weeks ago, you posted this.

現在比以往任何時候都重要。兩週前，你發了這個。

You opened up about being part of the LGBTQ community,

你公開了自己是LGBTQ群體的一員。

and immediately, love started pouring in

頓時，愛情開始湧入

from all over the world. How does it feel?

來自世界各地。感覺如何？

Where were you in your head at the time?

當時你腦子裡想的是什麼？

-It was the most insane thing ever.

-這是最瘋狂的事情。

I mean, literally everyone and their brother messaged me,

我的意思是，從字面上看，每個人和他們的兄弟給我發消息。

called me, texted me, sent me an Instagram message, tweeted me.

給我打電話，給我發簡訊，給我發Instagram消息，給我發推特。

It was the most love, I think, I've ever received,

我想，這是我收到的最多的愛。

and the coolest thing about it was it was just by me

最酷的事情是，它只是由我的

showing the world the last little piece of me

向世界展示了我最後的一小部分

that they haven't seen yet, and it was really awesome.

他們還沒有看到，這是真的很厲害。

-Did you plan on doing it?

-你打算這麼做嗎？

-So, that's actually what's funny about it.

-所以，這才是最有趣的地方。

So, I was doing TikToks with the people

所以，我和那些人一起做TikToks。

who are in the Pride House.

誰在榮耀之家。

That's, like, what their TikTok house is called,

這就是，他們的TikTok房子的名字。

is the Pride House. And I love them.

是榮耀之家。而我愛他們。

I've known them all for years, and so we were like,

我認識他們多年，所以我們就像。

"Let's just do some TikToks together

"我們一起做一些TikToks吧

before I leave for Canada." And they come over,

在我去加拿大之前"他們就過來了。

and we're doing this TikTok, and I was like,

我們正在做這個TikTok，我很喜歡，

"I think this TikTok that we're doing to 'Ain't It Fun,'"

"我覺得我們正在做的這個TikTok是'Ain't It Fun，"

I was like, "I think this is gonna out me."

我當時想，"我想這是要去出我。"

And I was like, "I don't really mind, because it is true."

我當時想，"我真的不介意， 因為它是真實的。"

I do have the most amazing, wonderful, perfect

我確實有最驚人的，美妙的，完美的。

most beautiful girlfriend in the whole world.

最美麗的女朋友 在整個世界。

It's not something I'm ashamed of.

這不是我的恥辱。

I just haven't shown the Internet yet.

我只是還沒有顯示出互聯網。

And there's always been speculations, of course,

當然，也一直有猜測。

but so then I was like, "I think this is gonna out me."

但後來我想，"我想這是要去了我。"

So then I posted that -- they posted that,

所以我就發了那個... 他們發了那個。

and, of course, it did, and people started commenting --

而且，當然，它做到了， 和人們開始評論 -

and people started commenting to me, "Is this you coming out?

人們開始評論我，"這是你出來了嗎？

Like, is this you coming out? What is this? What is this?"

就像，這是你出來？這是什麼？這是什麼？"

So I was like, "You know what I can do?

所以我當時想，"你知道我可以做什麼嗎？

I can either mess with them and, like, tease a little bit,

我可以和他們一起搞，比如，挑逗一下。

I could either confirm it, because it is true,

我可以或者證實，因為這是真的。

or I can just kind of do nothing about it

或者我可以只是一種什麼都不做它

and just kind of leave it there."

而只是一種離開那裡。"

And I was like, "I want to do a TikTok to 'Born This Way.'"

我當時想，"我想做一個TikTok的 "天生如此"。"

'Cause it is true. I don't really want to be like,

因為它是真實的。我真的不想成為像。

"Yeah, it's true," right away, but I was like,

"是啊，這是真的，"馬上，但我很喜歡，

"I want people to know that, like, it's okay."

"我想讓人們知道，就像，它的好。"

So I did this TikTok to "Born This Way,"

所以我做了這個TikTok，"生而為人"。

and everyone was like, "Whoa! This is her coming out!

每個人都很喜歡，"哇！這是她出來！

This is her coming out! This is the moment!"

這就是她的出場!就是這個時刻！"

And I was like, "I..."

我當時想，"我..."

And then, my cousin had gotten me that shirt.

然後，我表哥給我買了那件襯衫。

I took that picture like a week before

我一週前就拍了那張照片

I posted it, and I actually -- I put it on

我把它貼出來了，我實際上 - 我把它放在

my close friend's Instagram story,

我好友的Instagram故事。

and all my friends know, all my family knows.

我所有的朋友都知道，我所有的家人都知道。

And then, one day, I was on FaceTime with my girlfriend.

然後，有一天，我在FaceTime上與我的女朋友。

This is the day after I posted the "Born This Way" TikTok.

這是我發了 "生生不息 "嘀嗒的第二天。

And I was on FaceTime with her, and we were just

我和她在FaceTime上，我們只是... ...

talking about it and talking about all the love

談論它，談論所有的愛

that came in, and we were both like,

來了，我們都很喜歡。

"Technically, I still haven't confirmed it."

"從技術上講，我還是沒有確認。"

And so I was like, "I kind of want to post

所以，我當時想，"我有點想發

this picture on my real story."

這張照片上我的真實故事。"

And she was super encouraging. She was like, "Do it."

她是超級鼓勵。她很喜歡，"做到這一點。"

and I was like, "All right!" And I did it.

我當時想，"好吧！"我做到了。

And the funny thing is, is 10 minutes before I did that,

而有趣的是，是10分鐘前，我做了。

you can only imagine the press storm that was happening.

你可以想象當時發生的新聞風暴。

I mean, it was insane. -Yeah.

我的意思是，它是瘋狂的。-是的

And 10 minutes before I posted that, my publicist was like,

而在我發稿前10分鐘，我的公關就像，

"So, are you gonna confirm it?" and I was like,

"所以，你會確認嗎？"我當時想，

"No, I'm not gonna confirm it yet."

"不，我還不會確認。"

10 minutes later, I post that picture and start texting her.

10分鐘後，我發了那張照片，開始給她發短信。

I was like, "Hey. So about not confirming it,

我當時想，"嘿，所以關於不確認。

go look at my story." -"It's out."

去看看我的故事。"-"出來了。"

Did you -- Did you -- Did you put your phone down?

你有沒有... 你有沒有... 你有沒有把手機放下？

Because you probably go like...

因為你可能會像...

Either way, you're gonna get feedback.

無論如何，你會得到反饋。

You're gonna get good stuff, and you're gonna get bad stuff.

你會得到好東西，你會得到壞東西。

-Totally. -And you know it's gonna

-是的-你知道這將是

start a conversation. -Yeah.

開始對話。-是的

-And you're like, "Once I press this button..."

-你就像，"一旦我按下這個按鈕..."

-There's no going back. -Yes.

-沒有回頭路了-是的

-My thing with "coming out" is

-我對 "出櫃 "的看法是

it can be a very scary thing, you know?

它可以是一個非常可怕的事情， 你知道嗎？

Of course not everybody in the world is going to

當然，並不是世界上每個人都會去

accept it right now, but there are so many people

現在接受了，但有這麼多的人

that are going to accept it right now.

現在要接受它的。

And like I say, even if there's a million people --

就像我說的，即使有一百萬人 --

say there's a million people -- that's a lot of people

說有一百萬人 -- 那是一個很大的人

that don't accept it, there's 100 million that do.

不接受的，有一億人接受。

And I think that's something really important.

我認為這是非常重要的事情。

100 million is a lot of people, and so always keep that in mind.

一億人很多，所以要時刻牢記這一點。

But, also, I was like, "I don't want it to have to be

但是，我也很喜歡，"我不希望它必須是。

such a big thing." Like, what am I gonna do?

這麼大的事情。"就像，我該怎麼做？

Like, have a coming-out party? No, it's just who I am.

就像，有一個出來的聚會？不，這只是我是誰。

And so, after I posted it, I was just kind of like,

所以，我發了之後，我只是有點喜歡，

"All right! I'll do it." Like, I was on the phone spontaneous,

"好吧！我去做。我會做到這一點。"就像，我在電話裡自發的。

like, 'cause she -- we're long-distance,

喜歡，因為她 - 我們是長途。

and so I was like, "All right, I did it."

所以我當時想，"好吧，我做到了。"

Back to FaceTiming with her. And then it was like

回到與她的FaceTiming。然後就像

two days later, I was again on the phone.

兩天後，我又接到了電話。

We're on the phone literally 24/7.

我們在電話上字面上24/7。

Both of our families get so annoyed at us, but it's okay.

我們兩家人都會被我們煩死，但沒關係。

It doesn't matter. But I was like,

這並不重要。但我當時想。

"You know what I realized? How risky that was."

"你知道我意識到了什麼嗎？那是多麼的危險。"

And she was like, "Well, what do you mean?"

她說："那你是什麼意思？"

And I was like, "Well, technically,

我當時想，"嗯，技術上。

that was a really big risk that I took posting that."

那是一個非常大的風險，我花了發佈的。"

But I was like, "But honestly --"

但我當時想，"但說實話 -"

And she's like, "Why? Because you could've lost everything?"

她說："為什麼，因為你可能會失去一切？"

And I was like, "Yeah. But if I lost everything

我當時想，"是啊。但如果我失去了一切

that I've created because of being myself

因為我是我自己而創造的

and because of loving who I want to love,

也因為愛著我想愛的人。

I don't want it. That's not what I want

我不想要它。那不是我想要的

if I can't love who I want to love."

如果我不能愛我想愛的人。"

That's one of the most important things to me.

這對我來說是最重要的事情之一。

And it was about 10 minutes before I came out

大約10分鐘後我就出來了

to do this interview today, I was again on the phone

今天做這個採訪時，我又在電話裡說

with my girl, and I started crying.

與我的女孩，我開始哭泣。

And she's like, "What's wrong with you?"

她說，"你怎麼了？"

And I was like, "I'm just so happy."

我當時想，"我只是太高興了。"

I was like, "Because now I get to share

我當時就想，"因為現在我可以共享

what makes me the happiest with the world,

是什麼讓我與這個世界最幸福。

and it makes my heart so happy."

而這讓我的心裡很高興。"

-There's a lot to be happy about.

-有很多值得高興的事情。

I want to congratulate you, because you were named

我想祝賀你，因為你被評為

one of Time Magazine's 100 Most Influential People of 2020.

時代雜誌2020年100位最具影響力的人物之一。

Now, you are 17 years old

現在，你已經十七歲了

and one of the most influential people on the planet.

也是這個星球上最有影響力的人之一。

-Crazy. -How does it feel,

-瘋了-感覺如何？

and do you feel different? -Isn't that crazy?

你覺得不一樣了嗎？-是不是很瘋狂？

I mean, it is insane.

我的意思是，它是瘋狂的。

I don't feel different. I mean, nothing changed,

我不覺得有什麼不同。我的意思是，沒有什麼變化。

but I guess I didn't really realize what a big deal it was

但我想我並沒有真正意識到這是多麼大的問題。

until I actually saw the list

直到我真正看到名單

and saw the other people that were on it,

並看到了其他在上面的人。

and then I was like, "Whoa. Like, this is a huge honor."

然後我很喜歡，"哇。喜歡，這是一個巨大的榮譽。"

And, I mean, it's insane,

而且，我的意思是，它的瘋狂。

and I'm so thankful, and I'm so grateful.

我很感激，我很感激。

Actually, something funny that came from it is,

其實，一些有趣的事情，由此而來的是。

we created a new game in my family and my close friends.

我們創造了一個新的遊戲，在我的家庭和我的親密朋友。

So, my best friend, Nate, we made a game

所以，我最好的朋友，內特，我們做了一個遊戲。

where I try to influence people to do something.

在那裡我試圖影響人們去做一些事情。

And it's the smallest things.

而這是最小的事情。

So, say we have a whole bunch of pizzas, and I'll be like,

所以，說我們有一大堆的比薩餅，我會像，

to somebody, I'll be like, "Oh, my gosh.

對某人，我會很喜歡， "哦，我的天哪。

Yeah, the cheese is good, but the pepperoni,

是啊，奶酪是好的，但意大利辣香腸。

you gotta try the pepperoni."

你得試試意大利辣香腸。"

And if I get them to do it, Nate and I look at each other,

如果我讓他們這麼做，我和Nate就會互相對視。

and we're like, "Time 100, baby!

我們很喜歡，"時間100，寶貝！"。

Up top!" -"That's how influential I am.

在上面！"--"這就是我的影響力。-"這就是我的影響力。

Look at how influential -- He doesn't even like pepperoni."

看看有多大的影響力... ... 他甚至不喜歡意大利辣香腸。"

-We try. We try so hard, and it works.

-我們努力了我們努力了，而且很有效

And it's -- well, all the time, we're like, "Top 100, baby.

它的 - 好了，所有的時間，我們就像，"前100名，寶貝。

That's me." -Yeah. Why not?

這就是我。"-是啊，為什麼不呢？是啊，為什麼不呢？

I saw you did something over quarantine,

我看到你在隔離區做了一些事情。

because obviously, we all had to cut the tours short

因為很明顯，我們都不得不縮短遊覽時間。

and all this no live events, and, you know, you --

和所有這一切沒有現場活動， 而且，你知道，你 -

when you're a performer, you have to perform.

當你是一個表演者， 你必須執行。

We've had people on the show, comedians going like,

我們已經有人在節目中，喜劇演員去像，

"I just miss it. I have to.

"我只是想念它。我必須要。

It's part of me." -Yeah.

它是我的一部分。"-是的

-And you did something very cool.

-你做了一件很酷的事

You built a stage in your backyard.

你在後院建了個舞臺

-I did, I did. So, my mom was watching people

-我有，我有所以，我的媽媽是看著人們

perform, like, from their living room,

表演，比如，從他們的客廳。

and I was watching people perform from their couch.

而我卻在沙發上看人家表演。

And I was like, "I want to see a concert."

我當時想，"我想看一場音樂會。"

And my mom was like, "You should do one of these."

我媽媽說，"你應該做其中的一個。"

So, that was kind of where it came from, from me.

所以，這也算是它的來歷，來自我。

I was like, "I want to do one."

我當時想，"我想做一個。"

And my mom was like, "You should do one."

我媽媽說，"你應該做一個。"

And I was like, "But I -- I can't."

我當時想，"但我... 我不能。"

I was like, "I can't sit on my couch and sing a song.

我當時想，"我不能坐在沙發上唱一首歌。

It just doesn't -- It doesn't work."

它只是不... 它不工作。"

Like, I literally don't know how to do that.

就像，我真的不知道該怎麼做。

I say all the time, "I'm an Ameri-can, not an Ameri-can't,"

我總是說，"我是一個美國人，不是美國人，"

but, like, I can't do that.

但是，喜歡，我不能這樣做。

And she was -- she was like, "So then don't."

她是... ... 她說，"那就不要了。"

She was like, "Build a stage."

她就像，"建立一個階段。"

And I was like, "Well, all right."

我當時想，"好吧，好吧。"

And so I started looking on Amazon, and I was like,

於是我開始在亞馬遜上尋找，我當時就想，

"All right," I have these platforms in my cart,

"好吧，"我的購物車裡有這些平臺。

and I was just gonna, like, do it for one week.

我只是要去一樣， 做一個星期。

And then I was like, "This still doesn't feel right."

然後我就想，"這仍然不覺得合適。"

So I message my friend who kind of just can do anything.

所以我給我的朋友發資訊，他那種就是什麼都能做。

And I was like, "Hey.

我當時想，"嘿。

Do you have a guy that could help me build a stage?"

你有一個人可以幫我搭建一個舞臺嗎？"

And she was like, "Yeah, let me get on it."

她說："好的，讓我來吧。"

-[ Laughs ] I love it. Two seconds --

-我喜歡它。兩秒鐘 --

"Yeah. Of course." -Two seconds.

"是的，當然。"是的，當然。"-兩秒鐘

She was like, "Yeah, yeah, totally."

她說，"是啊，是啊，完全。"

And so now it turned into this whole thing,

所以現在就變成了這件事。

and it's so awesome, and it's so incredible.

它是如此真棒， 它是如此不可思議。

I did it every Friday. I think I did --

我每週五都這樣做。我想我做了 --

I think I did 12 of them and then a few dance videos, too,

我想我做了12個，然後也做了幾個舞蹈視頻。

and it was just so much fun, you know?

它只是這麼多的樂趣， 你知道嗎？

And we put on full-blown shows of singing and dancing

我們還進行了全面的歌舞表演。

and lights and music and a stage and costumes.

和燈光、音樂、舞臺和服裝。

-Good for you. -And it was just --

-對你有好處.-而這只是 --

It kept me so happy. We would shoot, like,

這讓我很開心。我們會拍，喜歡。

three of them in a week, and it just, that week,

三人在一週內，它只是，那一週。

I was always the happiest human.

我一直是最幸福的人類。

-Speaking of costumes,

-說到服裝：

you have one of the biggest empires of consumer products.

你有一個最大的消費產品帝國。

I told you my girls are fans of yours,

我告訴過你，我的女兒是你的粉絲。

and so we have bows all over the house,

所以我們家裡到處都是蝴蝶結。

we have headphones with bows on them, we have --

我們有帶蝴蝶結的耳機，我們有 --

Your books, by the way, are fantastic.

你的書，順便說一下，非常棒。

-I love it. -We -- It's just --

-我愛它，我們...-我們... 這只是...