well recognise them. Now we've been absolutely blown away by your outpourings of love for

以及認識他們。現在我們已經完全被你們的愛所震撼了。

our Victorian Way videos and especially for the character of Mrs Crocombe. But you have

我們的維多利亞之道視頻，尤其是克羅姆布夫人的角色。但是你必須

also frequently expressed interest in the amazing actor that portrays Mrs Crocombe - Kathy

也經常對飾演Crocombe夫人的神奇演員--Kathy表示興趣。

Hipperson. We haven't wanted to introduce you to Kathy in person before because we thought

Hipperson.我們之前一直不想把你介紹給凱西本人 因為我們認為...

it might sort of destroy the magic. But so many of you have asked for a video with Kathy

它可能會破壞魔法。但你們很多人都想看凱西的視頻。

in person that well, we couldn't really deny you could we?

當面說好，我們不可能真的否認你，對吧？

So without much further ado, here is the face of Mrs Crocombe. The brilliant Kathy Hipperson!

不多說了，這就是Crocombe夫人的臉。聰明的凱西-希普森！

We asked you for the questions you most wanted to ask Kathy and over 400 of you responded

我們問了你們最想問凱西的問題，有400多人回答了。

which is just brilliant. Now unfortunately we can't answer every single question, and

這只是輝煌。現在不幸的是，我們不能回答 每一個問題，和

many of you did ask quite similar things. Just to say, none of the food on the shoots

你們中的許多人確實問了相當類似的事情。我只想說，筍子上的食物都沒有。

goes to waste don't worry. Also some of your questions you'll find have been answered

浪費不用擔心。另外，你的一些問題，你會發現已經得到了解答。

in our behind the scenes videos so if you click on the link above me now you will find

在我們的幕後視頻中，所以如果你現在點擊我上面的鏈接，你會發現。

that you can go and find out all sorts of tasty titbits about Mrs Crocombe - everything

你可以去找各種關於Crocombe夫人的美味小故事--一切的一切。

about what she wears to a little bit more about her life to a really fascinating probable

從她的穿著到她的生活，再到她的生活，再到她的生活，再到她的生活，再到她的生活，再到她的生活，再到她的生活，再到她的生活。

photograph of Mrs Crocombe herself in later life. However, we want to give it our best

克羅肯布夫人晚年的照片。然而，我們想給它最好的

shot so Kathy - are you ready for your adoring public and their most burning questions.

拍攝如此凱西--你準備好迎接你的崇拜者和他們最迫切的問題了嗎。

I think I am.

我想我是。

Kathy, do you have a natural English accent? And, what were the challenges of bringing

凱西，你有天生的英語口音嗎？而且，什麼是挑戰 將

to life a character such as Mrs Crocombe?

像克羅姆布夫人這樣的人物？

Urm...well. The challenges with bringing someone like Mrs Crocombe, a servant, to life are

呃......好吧。把一個像克羅姆布夫人這樣的人 變成一個僕人所面臨的挑戰是：

such that not much was written about her so a lot of the research that we did to bring

所以我們做的很多研究都是為了把她的故事帶入到我們的生活中來

her alive has been based on the house research and research done about servants generically

她的活著是基於對房子的研究和對僕人的研究。

from that time in history. Nothing specific about her apart from what's in the census

從那個歷史時期。除了人口普查中的資料外，沒有任何關於她的具體資訊。

which obviously is only ever ten years so it's quite challenging but we brought together

這顯然是永遠只有十年的時間，所以它是相當具有挑戰性的，但我們帶來了一起。

what a servant would do and to be able to get to her position, how she must have behaved

一個僕人會做什麼，能到她的位置，她一定會有怎樣的表現。

and what she must have been like.

以及她一定是什麼樣的人。

Have you ever cooked Mrs Crocombe's recipes at home, what's your favourite recipe and

你有沒有在家裡煮過克羅姆夫人的食譜，你最喜歡的食譜是什麼，以及。

have you incorporated any of Mrs Crocombe's recipes into your everyday life?

你有沒有把Crocombe夫人的食譜融入到日常生活中？

Not into my everyday life, no. Urm, I definitely cook some of her recipes at home. Her recipes,

不進我的日常生活，沒有。呃，我在家裡肯定會做一些她的菜單。她的食譜。

some of them, are very popular with my family. My favourite one is gingerbread cake.

其中的一些，很受我家人的歡迎。我最喜歡的是薑餅。

Yeah.

是啊。

I make that quite a lot.

我經常這樣做。

Yes so do I weirdly enough. It's really nice isn't it?

是的，我也是，很奇怪地。這真的很好，不是嗎？

And there's also the wider world of Mrs Crocombe as well. So what about, I mean because

也有更廣闊的世界，克羅克姆夫人也是如此。所以呢，我的意思是，因為

there is her book but obviously both in the videos and also when you're on site her

有她的書，但顯然，無論是在視頻中，也當你在現場她的

at Audley End you cook other recipes that aren't in Mrs Crocombe's book. Her book

在奧德利莊園，你還可以做其他的菜單，但這些菜單不在克羅姆夫人的書裡。她的書

is just a snippet - what about other Victorian recipes?

只是一個片段--其他維多利亞時代的食譜呢？

Urm...we love here working in the kitchens we love using Eliza Acton. So anything pretty

呃......我們喜歡在這裡的廚房裡工作，我們喜歡用艾麗莎-阿克頓。所以任何漂亮的東西

much in her book we are ready to cook. Mostly cakes and sweet things because I've got

她書裡的很多東西我們都準備好了。主要是蛋糕和甜食，因為我已經得到了。

a sweet tooth.

愛吃甜食。

Do you think you relate to Mrs Crocombe in any way?

你覺得你和克羅克姆太太有什麼關係嗎？

Urm...I'm not a cook. So I'm not sure I do in that way. And I'm not a Victorian

呃......我不是廚師。所以我不確定我是否會這樣做。我也不是維多利亞時代的人

servant and I'm not alive in the Victorian age. But I suppose that I like to think I'm

僕人，我也不是活在維多利亞時代。但我想，我想我喜歡認為我是。

quite hard working and she must have been to have got to her position here at Audley

她一定是很勤奮才能在奧德利取得這樣的地位。

End House. She must have been fairly fair otherwise it is unlikely she would have got

尾樓。她一定是相當公平的，否則她不可能得到的。

this position. And she comes from a farming background - I come from a farming background.

這個位置。而她來自農業背景--我來自農業背景。

Was Mrs Crocombe a real woman?

克羅科姆夫人是一個真正的女人嗎？

Urm…

呃...

We get asked this a lot.

我們經常被問到這個問題。

As in was she a real a real person?

如同她是一個真正的真人？

I assume so because quite clearly you are in fact real.

我想是的，因為很明顯你是真實存在的。

Yes. I'm real. And Mrs Crocombe was real. Yes. A simple answer to that.

是的，我是真實的而Crocombe夫人是真的是的 我是真實的一個簡單的答案。

Again, if you watch our behind the scenes videos you will find out all about the real

同樣，如果你觀看我們的幕後視頻，你會發現所有關於真實的。

Mrs Crocombe.

Crocombe夫人

What's your favourite part about being a historical interpreter?

作為一名歷史解說員，你最喜歡的是什麼？

I love finding out about people like Mrs Crocombe. So about people who aren't known and who

我喜歡瞭解像克羅姆布夫人這樣的人。所以，關於那些不為人知的人，他們

are what I would class as ordinary. So whilst kings, queens, dukes, famous people are interesting,

是我所認為的普通人。所以，雖然國王、王后、公爵、名人都很有趣。

it's always nice to get a chance to play someone who isn't so well known. And also

能有機會扮演一個不是很出名的人總是很好的。還有

a huge part of what I do is in schools and with children so I do a lot of education and

我所做的大部分工作都是在學校和孩子們之間進行的，所以我做了很多教育和

that's what's really important.

這才是真正重要的。

What do you do apart from historical interpretation do you have a regular job?

除了歷史解讀你還做什麼你有固定的工作嗎？

Urm...well historical interpretation is my regular job. I work every day in a costume

呃......好吧，歷史演繹是我的正職。我每天都在服裝店工作

from some time in history. So as I mentioned I do quite a lot of education - I work a lot

從歷史上的某個時期。所以，正如我所說，我做了相當多的教育 - 我工作了很多。

in education in museums and in schools. But I also work - I've got my own theatre company

在博物館和學校的教育中。但我也在工作，我有自己的劇團。

and we specialise in producing plays based around history - little known history, British

我們擅長製作以歷史為背景的戲劇--鮮為人知的歷史、英國的歷史、英國的歷史、英國的歷史。

history. And I work for other historical interpretation companies, as well as Past Pleasures who I

的歷史。而我在其他的歷史演繹公司工作，以及過去的快樂公司工作，我

work for here at Audley End House. I ride horses, I fly birds of prey in the medieval

在奧德利莊園工作我騎馬，我在中世紀飛翔的鳥兒

era…

年代...

I think you're being a bit coy Kathy. You ride horses side saddle dressed as a Tudor

我覺得你有點靦腆凱西。你穿著都鐸王朝的衣服騎馬的馬鞍

with a falcon on your arm. Come on…

你的手臂上有一隻獵鷹。來吧...

I have been known to do that, yes.

是的，我已經知道這樣做。

Tell us a bit more about your theatre company.

再給我們介紹一下你們劇團的情況。

Well our theatre company that I have with a friend of mine called Simon Kirk is Time

我們的劇團，我和我的一個朋友叫西蒙-柯克，叫 "時間"。

Will Tell Theatre. And as the name suggests we specialise in sort of history and time

Will Tell Theatre。顧名思義，我們專門從事歷史和時間的研究

- telling times gone by. We like to make a drama out of history and we do lots of unknown

- 講述過去的時光。我們喜歡把歷史做成戲劇，我們做了很多不為人知的事情。

stories. A lot of female stories in history.

的故事。歷史上有很多女性故事。

And they are plays aren't they? They're really lovely showpiece plays most of them

它們是戲劇，不是嗎？他們真的是可愛的表演劇，大部分都是如此。

which are quite immersive and involve an audience as opposed to what you tend to do here which is

這是相當沉浸式的，並涉及到觀眾，而不是你往往在這裡做什麼，這是

much more ad-hoc and tends to be sort of talking to two or three people in small groups.

更多的是臨時性的，往往是那種和兩三個人在小組中交談。

Oh yes and we play lots of different characters. Sometimes in our plays we are specific historic

哦，是的，我們扮演很多不同的角色。有時在我們的戲劇中，我們是特定的歷史

characters, other times I've done a play that Simon (who writes them) created with

角色，其他時候我也做過西蒙（寫他們的人）創作的劇目，與。

myself and another female actress and we didn't play a lady in them at all

我和另一個女演員 我們在裡面根本就沒有扮演一個女人

Was that the one which I saw, the one where you all had mustaches?

是我看到的那個，你們都留著鬍子的那個嗎？

Yes and strange beards, yes that's the one, yes.

是的，還有奇怪的鬍子，對，就是這個，對。

Who was Mrs Crocombe married to and did she ever have children?

克羅科姆夫人和誰結婚，她有過孩子嗎？

Well actually the title Mrs, in Mrs Crocombe, is a title of honour, respect really because she's a cook in such an important household.

嗯，其實太太這個頭銜，在Crocombe太太那裡，是一個榮譽的頭銜，尊敬的頭銜，真的，因為她是這麼重要的一個家庭的廚師。

But she didn't get married until she left. As a woman in such an important job she couldn't work and be married

但她直到離開才結婚。作為一個從事如此重要工作的女人，她不能一邊工作一邊結婚

So although we don't technically know the year that she left working at Audley End House

雖然我們不知道她是哪一年離開奧德利莊園的

we do know that once she left she was married.

我們知道，她一離開就結婚了。

And that was in 1884 wasn't it?

那是在1884年，不是嗎？

That was right, yes, and she married Mr Stride and she then, being quite elderly at this point

是的，是的，她嫁給了斯特雷德先生 她這時已經很老了

She was what 40, what was she 43 in 1881 so she was what 45?

她當時40歲，1881年她43歲，所以她45歲？

She isn't going to have children at 45 in the Victorian age

她不會在維多利亞時代45歲就生孩子吧？

So she didn't have any children, no.

所以她沒有孩子，沒有。

I just feel like between the two of us we shouldn't say elderly.

我只是覺得我們兩個人之間不應該說老人。

Alright, middle-aged.

好吧，中年人。

But he had children and it's because of those children and his relatives that we have the cookbook.

但他有孩子，正是因為這些孩子和他的親戚，我們才有了這本食譜。

Yes, and again, you can find out more about Mr Stride, about his relatives and about Mrs Crocombe's

是的，你可以找到更多關於斯特里德先生的資訊，關於他的親戚的資訊，還有關於克羅科姆夫人的資訊。

later life by going to the link to The Victorian Way - Behind the Scenes videos.

晚年生活通過進入《維多利亞之道-幕後》視頻的鏈接。

Is there anything that you hope people will take away from these kinds of videos and the other projects that you do?

你希望人們能從這些視頻和你做的其他項目中得到什麼？

Um, I would like them to take everything away, everything that I say really.

嗯，我希望他們把一切都帶走， 我說的一切，真的。

I'd like them to take away certainly here in the kitchens, while we're working here in the kitchens

我想讓他們在廚房裡帶走，當然，當我們在廚房裡工作的時候。

certain facts about what life was like in this kitchen, facts about Mrs Crocombe and then facts about

關於這個廚房裡的生活的某些事實 關於克羅克姆太太的事實 然後關於...

servants in general in the later Victorian age

奴才

and perhaps to get them thinking about what life, not just for them but the whole country, the whole world in that era.

或許能讓他們思考，那個時代的生活，不僅僅是他們，而是整個國家，整個世界。

So I'd like to give them lots of things to think about, to get them to think about what being a servant was like

所以我想給他們很多東西去思考，讓他們去思考作為一個僕人是什麼樣子的。

and that actually some of the things they've been told aren't quite true

而實際上有些事情他們被告知並不完全是真的

myth-busting

破解迷思

Yes, I mean we used to get people come in and go 'ooh, I wouldn't have liked to have been a servant,

是的，我的意思是，我們曾經得到的人進來，去'哦，我不會喜歡一直是一個僕人。

it was so hard you started life at 12-years-old, scrubbing floors' and of course here, Mrs Crocombe shows you

"你12歲就開始了擦地板的生活，太辛苦了"，當然在這裡，Crocombe夫人向你展示了。

were, if you made it to a house like this, really, really good and certainly not some form of underpaid slavvy

是，如果你到了這樣的房子，真的，真的很好，當然不是某種形式的低薪奴役。

I think the statistic is something like 25% of servants - and that's it - worked in houses of more than two people

我想統計是25%的僕人--就是這樣--在兩個人以上的房子裡工作。

so to be working in a house like this with 24, 25 servants, you were good - and you could demand a decent wage as well.

所以在這樣的房子裡工作，有24、25個僕人，你很不錯--你也可以要求一個體面的工資。

Exactly, and if you think about it, she as a 13-year-old when she may have started, the options were going to work on the farm

沒錯，如果你仔細想想，她作為一個13歲的孩子，當她可能已經開始，選擇是去農場工作。

and in some areas of the country working in a factory. I think this was definitely a better job.

而在一些地區的工廠裡工作。我想這絕對是一份更好的工作。

Yeah, I mean full board and lodging, a pound of meat to eat every single day, you're doing quite well.

是啊，我的意思是食宿全包，每天吃一磅肉，你做得很好。

Do you love your job? Do people recognise you on the street?

你愛你的工作嗎？人們在街上能認出你嗎？

Um, no, I don't get recognised on the street. I absolutely love my job most of the time.

嗯，不，我在街上不被人認出來。我絕對喜歡我的工作大部分時間。

What's not to love? Generally I get to dress up, I get to talk to some really lovely visitors

有什麼不喜歡的呢？一般來說，我可以打扮得漂漂亮亮的，我可以和一些非常可愛的訪客交談。

I get to share knowledge that I have found interesting with people who mostly find it interesting

我可以和那些覺得有趣的人分享我覺得有趣的知識。

I don't get recognised, I don't think, mostly because in history women wore a lot of hats

我不被認可，我不認為，主要是因為歷史上女人戴了很多帽子

and covered their hair and their heads and it does dramatically change you.

並覆蓋了他們的頭髮和他們的頭，它確實極大地改變了你。

My voice gets recognised occasionally, mostly at English Heritage sites

我的聲音偶爾會被認可，主要是在英國遺產地。

Is a historical interpreter an actor or do you have acting training or a degree or are you just really interested in history and also in acting?

歷史解說員是一個演員，還是你受過表演訓練或有學位，或者你只是對歷史真正感興趣，也對錶演感興趣？

Um, I think a historical interpreter can have all sorts of different backgrounds.

嗯，我覺得一個歷史解釋者可以有各種不同的背景。

Well absolutely you have to have an interest in history and a lot of really talented historical interpreters I know

嗯，絕對的，你必須對歷史有興趣，很多真正有才華的歷史解說員我都認識

have degrees and masters in history. It certainly helps. If you have some natural acting ability I think that helps too.

有學位和歷史碩士。這當然有幫助。如果你有一些天生的表演能力，我想這也有幫助。

It's just being personable actually with the public is the most important thing. I actually do have an acting background

其實與公眾相處，最重要的就是平易近人。其實我是有表演背景的

that's what I trained in.

這就是我訓練的內容。

But you do also have a degree in pure maths, Kathy.

但你也有一個純數學學位，凱西。

Which doesn't help me in my historical interpretation

這對我的歷史解釋沒有任何幫助。

No, but it's pretty impressive.

不，但它是相當令人印象深刻。

Unless we're going to do some interpreting maths

除非我們要做一些解釋數學的工作

Enigma.

Enigma.

I was about to say, which would only involve modern history because obviously women didn't do maths in the olden days.

我正想說，這隻會涉及到現代史，因為很明顯，女人在舊時代是不會做數學的。

There are lots of historical interpreters out there who have got technically neither of that training

有很多歷史解釋者在技術上都沒有受過這種訓練。

but they've got such a passion for history and a lot of them are teachers, so because they're naturally good

但他們對歷史有如此的熱情 他們中的很多人都是老師，所以因為他們是天生的好手。

at speaking to people and explaining things that makes them equally as good.

擅長對人說話，解釋事情，讓他們同樣好。

Do you wish modern life was a bit more like Mrs Crocombe's?

你是否希望現代生活更像克羅克姆夫人的生活？

What like living in the Victorian times?

生活在維多利亞時代是什麼感覺？

Complete with syphilis and polio and rickets and malnutrition and really low birth rate

伴隨著梅毒、小兒麻痺症、佝僂病、營養不良和低出生率等問題

Massive sexism, no women's rights

大規模的性別歧視，沒有婦女權利；

Um, no.

嗯，沒有。

Right ok, bring on the antibiotics and the birth control pill.

對了好吧，帶上抗生素和避孕藥。

Right, next question.

好，下一個問題。

What is one recipe that Mrs Crocombe refused to make or simply couldn't get right - and I think this is talking about

有什麼食譜是Crocombe夫人拒絕做或根本無法得到正確的 - 我認為這是在談論

you as Mrs Crocombe.

你是Crocombe夫人

That was going to be my first question.

這本來是我的第一個問題。

Um... um... um... um...sheep's head.

嗯......嗯......嗯......嗯......羊頭。

I knew you were going to say that. I've apologised so many times.

我就知道你會這麼說我已經道歉了很多次了。

I won't be making sheep's brain croquettes again

我以後不會再做羊腦丸了

Oh you enjoyed that

哦，你喜歡這個

Ever

始終

You were there with your fingers in the brain going this is great, I really love the fact that I'm making sheep's

你在那裡用手指在腦海中去這是偉大的，我真的很喜歡我做的羊的事實

brain fritters and I want to do it every week.

腦油條，我想每週都做。

I won't be doing that again. Annie once made me cook a sheep's brain.

我不會再這樣做了。安妮曾經讓我做了一個羊腦。

Not again.

又來了

And the ears.

還有耳朵。

Is the costume comfortable? Well, historic clothing rather than costume because it is very, very accurate

服裝舒服嗎？嗯，歷史性的服裝，而不是服裝，因為它是非常，非常準確的。

and does it take a while to get into the kit for Mrs Crocombe?

而且要花點時間去給克羅克姆太太買裝備嗎？

It doesn't take long to get into it. She's a servant so her clothes are fairly practical.

不用多久就能進入狀態。她是個傭人，所以她的衣服相當實用。

It's comfortable. It's a corset that's been made specifically for myself that I wear underneath and it would be quite a different thing

很舒服。這是一件專門為自己做的胸衣，我穿在下面，就會很不一樣了

I think, if you were asking me, and I was playing Lady Braybrooke, because naturally as a lady of status and

我想，如果你問我，我扮演的是佈雷布魯克夫人，因為作為一個有身份的女士，自然而然地，我的角色也是如此。

her corsets would be quite tightly laced.

她的胸衣會系得很緊。

And she'd be changing clothes five times a day.

而且她一天要換五次衣服。

And doing all her hair and all that stuff. So no, I think it's quite easy and I find it relatively comfortable, yes.

做她所有的頭髮和所有的東西。所以，不，我覺得這很容易，我覺得比較舒服，是的。

Kathy, were you a fan of the Victorian era before you accepted this role or did you really come to it through playing the character?

凱西，在你接受這個角色之前，你是維多利亞時代的粉絲，還是真的通過扮演這個角色來的？

I didn't know anything much really about the Victorian age before I started working here

在這裡工作之前，我對維多利亞時代並不瞭解。

I knew quite a bit about the Tudors, that's a very popular time and the Civil War was quite an interest for me

我對都鐸王朝瞭解不少，那是一個很流行的時代，內戰對我來說也是一個相當大的興趣。

Oh yes I've seen the pictures

哦，對了，我看過照片了

So yes I came to the Victorian age really through working here, through you, working with you

所以是的，我是通過在這裡工作，通過你，和你一起工作，來到了維多利亞時代。

and through Mrs Crocombe. Absolutely.

並通過Crocombe夫人。絕對的

How does live interpretation change when you're interpreting to a live audience versus interpreting to a camera,

當你對著現場觀眾進行口譯與對著攝影機進行口譯時，現場口譯有什麼變化。

so a media outlet? And do you have any tips for people doing the latter?

所以一個媒體？那做後者的人有什麼技巧嗎？

Well naturally it changes because the live audience interact with you. And here in the kitchens we aren't performing as such,

好吧，自然而然就會改變，因為現場觀眾會和你互動。而在廚房裡，我們並不是這樣表演的。

we are generally talking, often one-to-one with the audience. So I will talk about anything

我們一般都是哈拉，經常是和觀眾一對一的哈拉。所以我什麼都可以談

So an audience member might have a particular interest or the conversation we are having might take me off into talking about all sorts of things