WE'RE BACK WITH CONGRESSWOMAN JACKIE SPEIER.

我們回來與女議員JACKIE SPEIER。

YOU YOURSELF IN THAT DAY IN 1978 WERE SHOT MULTIPLE TIMES.

1978年的那一天，你自己也遭到了多次槍擊。

I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THAT FEELING MUST HAVE BEEN TO GO

我無法想象那是什麼感覺一定是去了。

THROUGH THIS EXPERIENCE AGAIN WITH THE FEAR FOR YOUR OWN LIFE.

通過這種經歷，再次與恐懼自己的生活。

DO YOU SEE PARALLELS BETWEEN THE BEHAVIOR OF THOSE CULT MEMBERS

你看到這些文化成員的行為有什麼相似之處嗎？

OF JIM JONES AND THESE SUPPORTERS OF THE FORMER

JIM JONES和這些前總統的支持者的報告

PRESIDENT WHO STORMED THE CAPITOL?

攻入首都的總統？

DO YOU SEE ANY PARALLEL IN THEIR DEVOTION OR THEIR IRRATIONALITY?

你在他們的虔誠和理性中看到了什麼相似之處嗎？

>> YOU KNOW, STEPHEN, I WROTE A BOOK TWO YEARS AGO, AND WENT ON

>> 你知道嗎，史蒂芬，我兩年前寫了一本書，然後就去了。

A BOOK TOUR.

書籍之旅。

AND AT EVERY SINGLE SPEECH, THE VERY FIRST QUESTION OR THE

而在每一次發言中，第一個問題或第一句話都會被問及。

SECOND QUESTION WAS THAT, "ARE THERE PARALLELS BETWEEN DONALD

第二個問題是，"唐納德與香港有沒有相似之處"。

TRUMP AND JIM JONES?" AND THE FIRST TIME I WAS ASKED

特朗普和吉姆-瓊斯？"而我第一次被問到的時候

THE QUESTION, I KIND OF RECOILED FROM IT, BECAUSE I THOUGHT, NO,

這個問題，我有點退縮了，因為我覺得，沒有。

THIS-- THIS-- YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY CAN'T BE THAT KIND OF A

這... 這... 你知道，這真的不可能是那種類型的

COMPARISON.

比較：

YOU KNOW, JIM JONES TOOK 900 OF HIS CONGREGATION TO THEIR

你知道嗎，吉姆-瓊斯帶著他的900名教友去了他們的家。

DEATHS.

死亡：

AND, YET, WHEN YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6,

然而，當你意識到1月6日發生了什麼，

PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD HIS FOLLOWERS TO GO TO THE CAPITOL

特朗普總統讓他的追隨者去國會。

AND FIGHT, AND THAT WE WILL NOT TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY WITH

和戰鬥，我們將不會奪回我們的國家與

WEAKNESS.

弱點：

AND SO THEY STORMED THE CAPITOL AND BROKE IN.

於是他們攻入了首都，闖了進去。

AND IF THEY HAD GUNS, IMAGINE THE DESTRUCTION, IMAGINE THE

如果他們有槍，想象一下破壞，想象一下。

DEATHS, IMAGINE THE MAYHEM.

死亡，想象一下大雅之堂。

AS IT TURNED OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY USED PIPES AND FIRE

結果你知道，他們用的是管子和火。

EXTINGUISHERS TO KILL A POLICE OFFICER AND INJURE MANY MORE.

逃跑者殺死一名警察並傷害更多的人。

AND IT'S-- IT'S REALLY INDESCRIBABLE WHEN YOU REALIZE

當你意識到這一點的時候，它真的是不可描述的。

THAT OUR COUNTRY CAME THAT CLOSE TO LOSING THE DEMOCRACY.

我們的國家差一點就失去了民主。

THIS INSURRECTION ALMOST SUCCEEDED.

這個保險幾乎成功了。

>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAY,■ç "WELL, H

>> 斯蒂芬：你對那些說 "好吧，H "的人怎麼說？

DIDN'T ACTUALLY SAY DO THIS EXACTLY," MUCH IN THE SAME WAY

實際上並沒有說完全這樣做，"同樣的方式，

THAT CHARLIE MANSON DIDN'T ACTUALLY COMMIT THE MURDERS.

查理-曼森並沒有真正犯下謀殺罪。

HIS CULT MEMBERS DID.

他的文化成員做到了。

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE LIKE NIKI HALEY WHO THINK WE NEED TO,

你對像NIKI HALEY這樣的人說什麼，他們認為我們應該：

"GIVE THE MAN A BREAK AND MOVE ON."

"讓他休息一下，然後繼續前進。"

>> "GIVE THE MAN A BREAK."

>> "給他一個突破。"

TELL THAT TO THE WIDOW OF THE POLICE OFFICER WHO DIED.

把這句話告訴死去的警察的遺孀。

TELL THAT TO THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, STAFF MEMBERS, WHO WERE

把這句話告訴千千萬萬的人，工作人員，他們是

SHIVERING IN CLOSET THROUGHOUT THE CAPITOL.

在首都的衣櫃裡顫抖。

THIS WAS AN ACT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO INCITE

這是美國總統煽動的一個行為。

AN INSURRECTION.

一種保險。

AND TO SOMEHOW JUST, YOU KNOW, BRUSH IT AWAY AS IF IT'S NOT

並以某種方式只是，你知道， 刷它，好像它不是

SIGNIFICANT.

顯著。

REMEMBER, THE REPUBLICANS FOR, I DON'T KNOW, THREE YEARS, BEAT UP

記得，共和黨在我不知道的三年內，打了... ...

HILLARY CLINTON BECAUSE OF BENGHAZI.

希拉里-克林頓因為班加西。

AND YET, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FORGET THAT WE ALMOST LOST

但是，我們應該忘記我們已經失去了。

DEMOCRACY TWO WEEKS AFTER THE FACT?

事實發生後的兩個星期，民主黨？

>> Stephen: WELL, CONGRESSWOMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH

>> 史蒂芬：好的，女議員，非常感謝你。

FOR BEING HERE.

因為在這裡。

STAY SAFE, PLEASE.

保持安全，請。

CONGRESSWOMAN JACKIE SPEIER, EVERYBODY!

CONGRUSWOMAN JACKIE SPEIER，EVERYBODY！

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

我們馬上回來。