字幕列表 影片播放 列印所有字幕 列印翻譯字幕 列印英文字幕 INTERVIEW 10: The Dimensional Planes Desteni跨次元門戶之歷史（10）：次元空間平原 So bringing the demon through, 所以把邪靈帶過來吧 obviously common sense would say, "If a demon wants to come in, 明顯的一般通悉察覺會說：如果邪靈要進來 I have to go out." That's how I understood channelers worked, you know? 我必須離體，那就是我所理解的- 靈媒的運作方式 That's what I understood. 那就是我所理解的 If a being comes through, there's only one that is able to inhabit this body. 如果一個人仕過來，只有一個人可以居住在這身體 So when a demon comes, I'll go out. So I did. 所以當一個邪靈過來，我會離體，所以我就如此 So in that moment, I just breathed in. I left my body. 所以在那一刻，我就吸氣，我離開我的身體 And I had the demon to come in. 然後邪靈就進來了 And that was the first time I experienced myself in the dimensions. 而那是我第一次在次元空間當中體驗自己 So now I was in the dimensions. In that one moment. 所以現在我身處於次元空間當中，在那一刻 I was looking around. And everything was vast. 我四下張望，而一切都是廣闊的 And there was a light. Pinkish-white color. 而那裡有道光，粉紅-白色的 Yellow and white. it was quite pretty. Like a sunset. 黃色和白色，蠻漂亮的，像是日落 And I look at my body, and I saw my body's moving. 而我看著我的身體，而我看見我的身體在移動 I saw the demon inside, quite a vicious looking thing. 我看見邪靈在其中，外觀頗猙獰 Big teeth, sharp. Gray. 巨大的牙齒，鋒利的，灰色的 But I could see it inside as it moving inside my body. 但我能看見它在其中等同我的身體，並移動 I looked and said, "Okay. My body's fine. There's a demon inside there. 我看並說：好，我的身體沒事，有個邪靈在其中 And everybody is talking to this demon. 而大家正在跟這個邪靈交談 And I could see interdimensionally everything that was going on. 而我能夠跨次元空間性的觀察一切的運作 I could see my organs, the meridian lines, and the cells, and the expression of the energy. 我能看見我的器官，經絡線，和這細胞，還有能量的表現 You know, frequency movements. God knows what. Everything! 你知道，頻率的運動，天知道什麼，一切事物！ So I found myself in the dimensions. Now, 所以我發現自己身處次元空間，現在 obviously for a moment, I didn't completely understand where I was. 顯然有一陣子，我沒有完全了解我在何處 I just kind of looked at everything. 我只是像是四處觀看每件事 And I saw like, you know, the white plates. 而我看到像是，你知道，這白色的版 They looked like white plates going up. I went, hmm. Let me go up. 它們看起來像是白色的版塊在上方，嗯...讓我上去 So I went up. Now this was quite a strange experience. 所以我上去，現在這是一個頗為奇異的體驗 Because, there's no "walking" like a movement. Like a movement of yourself. So you've knida have to "move" up. 因為這是沒有「行走」，那像是運動，像是你自己的運動，所以你有點像是必須「移動」向上 "Move" yourself "up." You just do it. Jeez, I can't explain to you "how," exactly. You just do it. You're able to do it. 移動你自己上升，你就只是做，我無法向你解釋確切是如何，你就是做，你能夠做到那 So I started "moving up." 所以我開始「向上移」 And there I met some beings on this "plane." Like a white glass. 然後我遇到了一些人仕在這個「平原」，像是白色的玻璃 And I met these beings. and I asked them, and I told them, 而我遇見這些人仕，而我問他們，而我對他們說 "Hi. My name is Winged. And I'm here in the dimensional existence, I suppose. 嗨我的名字是Winged（sunette），而我現在在次元空間存在這裡，我假設的 This is the dimensional existence, right?" I asked them this question, and they said, "yeah." 這裡是次元空間性存在，對吧？我問他們。而他們說：對 "Did you just die," they asked me. 你是不是剛過世？ --他們問我 And I said, "Possibly. In a way, yeah." 而我說，可能喔，某角度來看，是的 But the strange thing is, there's currently a demon i my physical human body. 而怪異的是，當前有一個邪靈在我的物質性人類身體當中 I am here. And I'm just exploring. 我在這裡，而我就只是探索 Now, I want to know exactly where I am. You know, "What's going on here. Who are you guys? Now what's happening here?" 現在，我想知道我實際上的位置，你知道，這裡怎麼回事，你們是誰？現在這裡正發生什麼？ This is my first time actually experiencing all of this. 這是我第一次真正的體驗這些全部 I've never read anything about the dimensions, or what it looks like, what's going on, how everyone is experiencing themselves. 我從未閱讀過任何關於次元空間的，或是它的外觀如何，怎麼回事，大家是如何體驗他們自己的 Here I am, experiencing this first hand as myself. 我在這裡，親自體驗這些等同我自己 They were all confused. Here I am, experiencing this first hand as myself. 他們全都很困惑 They were all confused. 第一個女人，她的名字是Clarise（我記得她，她是第一個） The first woman, her name was Clarise (I remember her, she was the first one), 而她對我說：不，我不相信，這是不可能的 and she says to me, "No. I can't believe it. It's impossible. 你的身體不可能還活著，你在這裡，當你來到這地方，你已經死了 Your body cannot still be alive. Well, you're here. When you come here to this place, you are dead." 而之後我開始談論關於...告訴她：好 And then I started speaking about and telling her about-- okay, 什麼是死物？因為那是不可能的，因為我的人類物質身體還活著 "What is death then? Because it's impossible. Because my human physical body is still alive, 而我依然在這裡，所以你是怎麼定義死亡的？ and I'm still here. So what is your definition of death? 他們說：當你的物質人類身體死亡，而你來到這裡，你就是死了 They said, "When your physical human body dies and you come here, you have died ." 喔，那這有一點奇怪，因為我的身體還活著，而那有個邪靈正忙於談話，我依然在這裡，而我仍然在體驗自己 "Well, that's a little bit strange, because my body's still alive and there's a demon busy talking there, yet I'm still here and I 'm still experiencing myself." 你知道，所以，我展示給他們看- 我的物質人類身體 You know, so, I had to show them were my physical human body is, 而我的身體還活著，我依然能夠進入 and that my body is still alive. I am still able to enter. 和所有那些體驗... And all those experiences. Oh, yeah... 你知道，他們帶我到那個地方，因為他們認為我「已經發瘋」 You know they took me to this place because they thought I'd "gone crazy?" 因為他們認為我是已經死了，但是不願意相信自己已經死了 Because they thought that I hadn't -- I "Died," but I don't want to believe I had died. 我不想安息，他們告訴我，如果我不接受自己死掉的事實 I don't wanna make peace with it. They told me that if I hadn't made peace" with that now I died, 那我最終會進入邪靈空間 then I would end in up the demon dimension. 他們真的認為我已經失常，我已經發瘋 They really thought I was going mad. That I was crazy. 因為我必須平靜的接受我已經死亡- 這事實 Because I had to "make peace" with the fact that I was dead. 而我持續的告訴他們並笑，我說：我沒死！我的身體還活著，而所以我帶他們去看我的身體並說：那是我的身體！ And I just kept telling them and laughing, and saying, "I'm not dead! My body is still alive." And that was how I took them to my body and I said, "That's my body! 它還活著，看！有個邪靈在其中 And it's still alive. Look! There's a demon inside it!" 而他們無法相信這，所以我展示給他們看「我要回去我的身體」所以我回去進入我的身體 And they couldn't believe it. So I had to show them. "I'm going back into my body." So I went back into my body. （這同樣的怪異，因為，當我首先告訴他們：好吧，我離體了--我要怎麼回去？） (That was also strange, because, when I first told them, "Okay. I came out-- how do I get back in?) 而他們教我如何「轉換」時間，我能夠觀看過去和檢視未來，所以我說：好 And they showed me how I could "switch" time. I could go look into the past and look into the future.So I said, okay. 喔，如果我知道邪靈怎麼進入我的身體，那我就會知道如何進入 Well, if I knew how the demon got into my body, Then I'll know how to get back in. 因為我不知道怎麼回去，我甚至- 不完全知道- 我怎麼離體的 Because I didn't know how to get back in. I don't even know completely, how I got out! 我只知道我在這裡 I just knew I'm here. 而，所以我觀看過去，邪靈是怎麼進入的。所以他們只是站於我存在的中心，而他們只是..... And, so I looked; past, how the demon got in. So they just stood in the center of my being, and they just "psssst".. 然後融合他們自己進入身體。我說：好，讓我做這...。所以像是從旁邊進入，配置我自己在中心然後進入... and intergrated themselves into the body. I said, okay. Let's me do that..." So I kind of went in sideways. Placed myself in the center and went back in... 而之後我又離體並帶其他的邪靈進來 and then I went back out and brought another demon in! 所以我告訴他們：看，那是我的身體，身體沒問題且活著，那有個邪靈 So I tell them, "Look. There's my body. Body still fine and alive. There's demons. 現在我在次元空間這裡體驗我自己 Now, I'm here experiencing myself in the dimensions. 而他們全都很震驚 And they were all shocked. 他們全都到抽一口氣 They all breathed in.