It was Sunday, January 26th of last year, when Bryant and his 13 year old daughter, Gianna, and seven others were killed in a helicopter crash in Calabasas, California The days and weeks that followed were marked with emotional outpourings of grief and appreciation from around the world, as people celebrated the life and legacy of one of the greatest players of all time and one of the great legends as well.

那是去年1月26日的週日，布萊恩特和他13歲的女兒吉安娜以及其他7人在加州卡拉巴薩斯的直升機墜毀事件中喪生 隨後的幾天和幾周裡，世界各地的人們都在為這位史上最偉大的球員和偉大的傳奇之一的生命和遺產而歡呼。

And we thought that to begin our conversation about that today, we would bring in our own Michael Wilbon and Michael, thank you for getting up with us here today, and and it is hard to believe that it has been one year in so many different ways.

我們認為，為了開始我們的談話，今天，我們將帶來我們自己的邁克爾-威爾本和邁克爾，感謝你今天在這裡與我們一起起床，並且，很難相信它已經有一年在許多不同的方式。

As you woke up this morning, what were the first thought you had relative to Kobe?

當你今天早上醒來的時候，相對於科比，你的第一個想法是什麼？

Well, agree.

嗯，同意。

I started thinking about it.

我開始思考這個問題。

You know, last night, as I started reading some pieces about this one year, um, anniversary, I guess we have to use that word.

你知道，昨晚，我開始讀一些文章 關於這一年，嗯，週年紀念，我想我們必須使用這個詞。

And, you know, in this country we weren't really locked into what was about to happen co vid until early March and so late January as we were getting ready to cover and get indulge in the Super Bowl.

你知道，在這個國家，我們並沒有真正鎖定到即將發生的事情，直到3月初和1月下旬，因為我們已經準備好報道並沉迷於超級碗。

Um, this tragedy sent us into despair.

嗯，這個悲劇讓我們陷入絕望。

And I mean that literally more so here but worldwide.

我的意思是，從字面上看，這裡更多，但全球。

But yes, particularly in this country.

但是是的，尤其是在這個國家。

Um, this plunged us into despair, the death of Kobe and his daughter and all the others.

嗯，這讓我們陷入了絕望，科比和他的女兒以及其他所有人的死亡。

And, um, we don't think we've come out of it.

而且，嗯，我們不認為我們已經走出了它。

I mean, we've been in it.

我的意思是，我們已經在它。

We've been stuck there, obviously with with with the Pandemic, but also with this just saddening this pounding this thes deaths of Hall of Fame athletes subsequently and maybe none of them were as tragic.

我們一直停留在那裡，顯然與與與大流行病，但也與這只是令人悲傷的這衝擊這名人堂運動員的死亡隨後，也許他們沒有人是一樣悲慘。

You know, I think just about you know, this past few days with Henry Aaron.

你知道，我想只是關於你知道， 這過去幾天與亨利・亞倫。

But at least Henry Aaron had a full life.

但至少亨利-亞倫有一個完整的人生。

You know what, eighties, what, 86 years old Kobe Bryant?

你知道嗎，八十年代，什麼，86歲的科比-布萊恩特？

Certainly, you know, didn't even have quite half of that.

當然，你知道，甚至沒有相當一半的。

But I just started thinking about the despair that we have been in, and it has been it started with that tragedy.

但我只是開始思考我們一直以來的絕望，它一直是它開始的那場悲劇。

To me, that's my timeframe.

對我來說，這就是我的時間框架。

And all these things tend to be personal on dso I've thought about that.

而這些事情往往都是個人對dso的，我也想過這個問題。

I try to think of some happier thoughts.

我試著想一些更快樂的想法。

You know what?

你知道嗎？

I was really struck, and it resonated with me.

我真的被打動了，引起了我的共鳴。

What?

什麼？

LeBron and Anthony Davis.

勒布朗和安東尼-戴維斯。

We're talking about other Lakers, but particularly them saying they they didn't wanna have just public, um, commemorations all the time.

我們說的是湖人隊的其他球員，但特別是他們說，他們不希望只是公開的，嗯，紀念活動所有的時間。

And obviously this stays with them and they're shaken by it still.

很明顯，這讓他們耿耿於懷，他們還在為之動搖。

Ah, full year later.

啊，整整一年後。

And I thought that, too.

我也是這麼想的。

I mean, I know we're going to talk about it.

我的意思是，我知道我們會談論它。

Um, that's our jobs to talk about it, But we're still in despair.

嗯，那是我們的工作，談論它， 但我們仍然在絕望。

People are still mourning.

人們還在哀悼。

And so I I don't know quite how you handle it, but LeBron and Anthony Davis and their sentiments resonated with me.

所以我我不知道你是怎麼處理的，但勒布朗和安東尼-戴維斯和他們的情感引起了我的共鳴。

Yeah.

是啊。

No, no question.

不，沒有問題。

A lot of people are still having a difficult time with it, and I agree with you that it did set off a year unlike any that we've ever experienced before.

很多人還在為難，我也同意你的說法，這一年確實掀起了我們以前從未經歷過的高潮。

But one of the things we can do a year later is try and smile in remembering him.

但一年後，我們能做的一件事，就是試著微笑著紀念他。

What is the story about Kobe Bryant that you think of that?

關於科比-布萊恩特的故事，你想到了什麼？

Always makes you smile?

總是讓你笑？

There are few.

寥寥無幾。

Um, but but one of them and I talked about it a lot last year.

嗯，但但其中一個和我去年談了很多。

in real time.

實時的。

Um, is that, you know, people saw Michael Jordan and in tears and just so emotionally overwrought, and he and speaking at one of the memorials for Kobe Bryant and Michael really does that sort of thing publicly, and people just didn't understand the kind of relationship they had.

嗯，是，你知道，人們看到邁克爾-喬丹和眼淚，只是這樣的情感過度，他和發言在一個紀念科比-布萊恩特和邁克爾真的做那種事情公開，人們只是不明白他們有什麼樣的關係。

I got a glimpse.

我瞥見了。

Could be some of that played out here in Washington when Michael was with the Wizards is both an executive and the player.

可以在華盛頓這裡發揮一些，當邁克爾在奇才隊的時候既是高管又是球員。

And when I went to a Lakers game, um, Kobe, knowing that I had a relationship for a long time with Michael if he had a big game, you know, 40 45 points, a triple double.

而當我去看湖人隊的比賽時，嗯，科比，知道我和邁克爾有很長時間的關係，如果他有一場大比賽，你知道，40 45分，三雙。

Who knows when the media is lined up outside the locker room, Kobe would often just drift over if he saw me and I get an elbow in the ribs and he leaned over when nobody else could here and just say, How would the old man have done tonight?

誰知道媒體在更衣室外排隊的時候，科比如果看到我，經常會飄過來，我肋部被肘擊，他就會在這裡沒人的時候靠過來，然後就說，老爺子今晚會怎麼做？

How would you boys have done tonight with the old man had been ableto beat them tonight would have been able to beat whoever fill in the blank, and it was just so and And it was I asked him.

你們今晚會怎麼做呢？"老爺子今晚能打贏他們，就能打贏填空的人，就這樣，我問他。

I said, Look, and I talk about this on the air now or write about it and he said, You know, people aren't gonna understand.

我說，你看，我現在在直播中談這個，或者寫這個，他說，你知道，人們不會理解。

They're gonna take it the wrong way.

他們會誤解的。

And he was probably right.

而且他可能是對的。

I knew how he meant that.

我知道他是什麼意思。

I knew of the relationship, but it was so funny.

我知道這段關係，但它是如此有趣。

This would happen periodically.

這種情況會定期發生。

You know, over the years, how would the old man have done?

你知道，這些年，老人家會怎麼做？

And, you know, people handle these things differently.

而且，你知道，人們處理這些事情的方式不同。

But Kobe had such fun with it, and there was such a reverence, not just a friendship, a reverence for his basketball idol on that.

但科比卻樂此不疲，在這上面不僅是友誼，還有對自己籃球偶像的敬畏。

That I think about that.

我想過這個問題。

Um, you know, when you look at these these big games, you know, you just had on the screen the car and he said he had 60 points.

嗯，你知道，當你看這些這些大的遊戲，你知道，你只是在螢幕上的車，他說他有60分。

I wasn't at that game, but there were games like that, and it was one of the first things he's saying.

我沒有參加那場比賽，但有這樣的比賽，這是他說的第一件事。

I'd say, Yeah, I'm gonna call until he was pulled out the phone.

我會說，是啊，我要打電話，直到他被拔掉電話。

Now let's call, let's tell, let's tell the old man what I did to that in case he wasn't watching and Jordan loved it.

現在讓我們打電話，讓我們告訴，讓我們告訴老頭子我對那個做了什麼，以防他不注意，喬丹喜歡。

He just loved it.

他只是喜歡它。

And people did not realize we weren't in a social media time for most of that, if any of it.

而人們並沒有意識到我們大部分時間都不在社交媒體時代，如果有的話。

And they didn't realize just how much they adored each other.

而他們並沒有意識到他們是多麼的愛慕對方。

Thank you for watching ESPN on YouTube for live streaming sports and premium content.

感謝您在YouTube上觀看ESPN的體育直播和優質內容。

Subscribe to ESPN, plus.

訂閱ESPN，加。