Name: 丹-拉瑟解讀特朗普總統如何煽動政變？ (Dan Rather Explains How President Trump Incited a Coup)
Uploaded: 2021-01-13T18:26:53.000Z
Duration: 9 min 38 s

-Earlier tonight, I got to talk to my first guest

-今晚早些時候，我和我的第一位客人聊了聊。

He's a multiple Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist

他是一位多次獲得艾美獎和皮博迪獎的記者。

and "The New York Times" best-selling author

Here is my conversation with the one and only Dan Rather.

這是我與唯一的丹-拉瑟的對話。

Dan, thank you so much for being here tonight.

It's a privilege and an honor to be with you. Thank you.

能和你在一起，是我的榮幸。謝謝你。

was going to be how things went in Georgia

but then this afternoon, Trump supporters stormed the Capitol.

但今天下午，特朗普的支持者衝進了國會大廈。

And we're talking a few hours before this will air,

而且我們說的是幾小時後才會播出。

of what happened today and where things stand now

During the evening, I expect they will continue

and frequently overworked word but an apt word in this case.

而且經常被過度使用的詞，但在這種情況下卻是一個恰當的詞。

This is an absolutely unprecedented situation

for our country and one -- and a very serious situation.

對我國來說，這是一個非常嚴重的情況。

Basically what happened was that, increasingly, it appeared

基本上發生的情況是，越來越多的人認為

that the two Democratic candidates were winning

注意到兩名民主黨候選人正在獲勝

and had won the Senate runoff races in Georgia.

並曾在佐治亞州的參議院第二輪選舉中獲勝。

This would, of course, mean that the Democrats

would have effective control of the Senate

So, that news didn't really get solidified

所以，這個消息並沒有得到真正的鞏固。

until the wee hours of early this morning.

in front of the White House, a pro-Trump rally.

在白宮前，一個支持特朗普的集會。

The President -- I use the word "incited" it.

主席 -- -- 我用的是 "煽動 "一詞。

Incited the crowd to march down to the Capitol

That was to be the other big headline of the day.

這本來是今天的另一個大頭條。

The big headline of the day was expected to be Democrats

在佐治亞州贏得兩場參議院選舉

and the combined Congressional power in the country

Even as Vice President Pence was presiding in the chamber

即使是副總統彭斯在主持會議的時候

and the final certification of the Biden victory

then this crowd stormed the U.S. Capitol.

然後這群人衝進了美國國會大廈。

You can describe it as "protesters," if you like.

如果你願意，你可以用 "抗議者 "來形容。

I, myself, think they were certainly rioters.

我自己認為，他們肯定是暴亂分子。

他們打破了窗戶。他們很暴力。

They stormed actually into the room where --

the chamber, where the deliberation was happening.

There was no law and there was no order for a while.

一時之間，沒有法律，沒有秩序。

Now finally the law-enforcement officers, first of all,

現在終於有了執法人員，首先。

Secondly, they sort of solidified their own response.

其次，他們算是鞏固了自己的對策。

of what I call the rioters were put outside the Capitol.

我所說的騷亂者被關在國會大廈外。

It's a little hard to say what the situation is at this moment,

We have never seen this in our country before --

我們從來沒有見過這種情況，在我們國家以前 -

which even the courts have certified in their own way.

連法院都以自己的方式證明了這一點。

That's a definition of a coup, and I do think

這就是政變的定義，我認為... ...

this could be described as a case of domestic violence.

這可以說是一個家庭暴力的案例。

Not everybody in this crowd of people were violent today.

今天這群人中，並不是所有人都有暴力傾向。

But there certainly were outright rioters

who were taking part in domestic violence,

and the overall scene was one of a coup attempt.

而整體場景是一場未遂的政變。

It has failed. That's pretty much where we are.

它已經失敗了。這就是我們的現狀。

-Do you think there will be charges against these people?

-你認為會對這些人提出指控嗎？

-Well, let's be very clear. There should be

-好吧，讓我們非常清楚。應該有...

because if you break windows in the U.S. Capitol

因為如果你打碎了美國國會大廈的窗戶

of elected representatives of the country,

frankly, I have my doubts as time goes along.

坦率地說，隨著時間的推移，我也有疑慮。

But there is a movement to try to identify those people

但是，有一個運動，試圖識別這些人

who were actually breaking windows and occupying offices

But the real important question of the moment, Jimmy,

但現在真正重要的問題是，吉米。

and I think this will play out over the next few days,

而我認為這將在未來幾天內上演。

is what is to be done about the president of the United States?

Make no mistake -- there are talks in the Capitol

別搞錯了... ... 國會大廈里正在進行談判。

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