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  • ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY.

    *********** 斯蒂芬嘿,大家好。

  • WE'RE BACK WITH THE HOSTS OF "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST," JOHN

    我們又回到了 "石板政論節 "的主持人約翰的身邊

  • DICKERSON, EMILY BAZELON, AND DAVID PLOTZ.

    DICKERSON, EMILY BAZELON, 和DAVID PLOTZ.

  • I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON PART OF YOUR POINT THERE, JOHN, AND THIS

    我想跟上你的部分觀點,約翰,還有這個。

  • IS FOR EVERYBODY AND SORT OF BASED UPON WHAT JAMAL BUOY SAID

    是給每個人的,並在一定程度上根據賈馬爾-布依說的話。

  • IN LAST WEEK'S GABFEST-- WE MISS YOU DAVID.

    在上週的GABFEST -- 我們想念你,大衛。

  • IT WAS WHY ARE THE REPUBLICANS STICKING BY THIS GUY?

    它是為什麼共和黨人堅持這個傢伙?

  • BECAUSE DONT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING UP-- YOUR TOM COTTONS,

    因為那些上場的人都不會... ...你的TOM COTTONS。

  • YOUR TED CRUZS, YOUR NIKI HALEYS-- DON'T THEY REALLY WANT

    你的TED CRUZS,你的NIKI HALEYS -- 難道他們不想要。

  • HIM OFF THE SCENE, BECAUSE IF THE NEXT PRIMARY, THE NEXT 2024

    他離開了舞臺,因為如果下一個初選,下一個2024年

  • PRIMARY IS ABOUT WHO CAN BE MOST LIKE DONALD TRUMP, THEN DONALD

    最主要的是誰能最像唐納德-特朗普,然後唐納德

  • TRUMP WILL WIN THAT AND STAYING CLOSE TO HIM IS MERELY GOING TO

    特朗普將贏得這一點,並保持接近他是純粹的去。

  • GIVE HIM MORE POWER?

    給他更大的權力?

  • WHY WON'T THEY GIVE HIM THE DOOR?

    為什麼他們不給他開門?

  • >> I MEAN, I WONDER IF THEY WILL AND WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE

    >> 我的意思是,我想知道他們是否會這樣做,而我們只是還沒有到那裡

  • YET.

    是的

  • LIKE, THEY HAVE A COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY'RE

    就像,他們有一個集體行動的問題,因為他們是。

  • ALL CANDIDATES ALSO COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER.

    所有候選人也在互相競爭。

  • BUT ONCE TRUMP IS NOT PRESIDENT AND DOESN'T HAVE QUITE THE SAME

    但是,一旦特朗普不是總統,也沒有同樣的權力,他就會有同樣的權力。

  • MICROPHONE AND PERHAPS HOLD ON HIS SPACE, ISN'T IT MORE

    麥克風,並可能在他的空間舉行,是不是更

  • POSSIBLE WE'LL SEE THOSE PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR HAVE A TOTAL

    我們可能會看到這些人特別是有一個全面的。

  • INCENTIVE TO REACH THE VOTERS ON THEIR OWN, START TO MOVE AWAY

    激勵他們自己去接觸選民,開始離開。

  • FROM HIM?

    從他那裡?

  • I DON'T KNOW, JOHN, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

    我不知道,約翰,你怎麼看?

  • >> WELL, ANYONE IN HIS PARTY OR OUTSIDE OF HIS PARTY WHO THINKS

    >> 好吧,任何人在他的黨內或他的黨外誰認為,

  • THEY CAN CONTROL OR DEFINE WHAT DONALD TRUMP DOES HAS BEEN

    他們可以控制或定義什麼唐納德-特朗普做了已經

  • DELIVERED DEFEAT AFTER DEFEAT.

    提供了失敗後的失敗。

  • SO I THINK ANY STRATEGY THEY MAY HAVE FOR TRYING TO MOVE HIM

    所以我認為他們可能有任何策略來試圖讓他離開。

  • ASIDE I THINK IS GOING TO LOSE.

    旁白我想是要輸了。

  • WHAT INTERESTS ME IS WHETHER HE RUNS OR NOT OR TRIES TO PLAY

    我感興趣的是,他是跑還是不跑,還是想玩。

  • KING MAKER IS WHETHER HE HAS CHANGED THE MARKET FOR

    王者榮耀是他是否改變了市場的發展。

  • COMPETITION AMONG THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESIDENT.

    與那些想當主席的人競爭:

  • HAS HE CHANGED THE WAY TO APPEAL TO THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN

    他是否改變了向共和黨基層呼籲的方式?

  • PARTY?

    派對?

  • AND HAS HE CHANGED THE EXPECTATION OF THAT BASE IN

    他是否改變了對該基地的期望?

  • TERMS OF WHAT HE WANTS, WHAT CANDIDATES NEED TO TALK ABOUT TO

    他想做什麼,候選人需要談什麼?

  • EVEN GET A HEARING?

    甚至得到一個聽證會?

  • SO, CLEARLY, DONALD TRUMP OPENED THE OVERTON WINDOW ABOUT WHAT

    所以,很明顯,唐納德-特朗普打開了奧弗頓的窗戶,關於什麼

  • WAS POSSIBLE IN POLITICS AND WHAT TO SAY.

    在政治上是可能的,該怎麼說。

  • THE QUESTION IS WHETHER HE TURNED INTO A TICKET WINDOW.

    問題是他是否進入了一個售票窗口。

  • DOES ANYBODY WANTING FAVOR IN THE FUTURE FROM REPUBLICANS HAVE

    任何想在未來得到共和黨人青睞的人都有

  • TO BEHAVE LIKE HIM, HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE CONSPIRACIES THAT

    要像他一樣,必須相信那些陰謀。

  • HE PROMOTES, HAS TO BASICALLY SUPPORT HIS SET OF IDEAS JUST TO

    他宣傳,必須基本支持他的一套理念,只是為了。

  • GET A HEARING IN REPUBLICAN POLITICS?

    在共和黨政治中獲得聽證會?

  • AND THAT'S A WAY IN WHICH THE QUESTION IS, THAT'S A WAY IN

    這就是一個方式,其中的問題是,這是一個方式,在

  • WHICH HE CAN HAVE A LONG-STANDING INFLUENCE ON THE

    他可以在其中發揮長期的影響。

  • PARTY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HIS PARTICULAR FORTUNES ARE.

    黨,不管他的具體財富是什麼。

  • >> I WORRY IN THAT VEIN THAT NONE OF THE OTHERS-- WELL, I

    >> "我擔心在那片土地上沒有人...

  • DON'T WORRY.

    不要擔心。

  • NO ONE ELSE HAS THE CHARISMA THAT TRUMP HAS.

    沒有人有特朗普那樣的魅力。

  • TRUMP HAS A CERTAIN CHAOTIC EVIL CHARISMA THAT NONE OF THE OTHER

    特朗普有一種特殊的CHAOTIC邪惡的魅力,沒有任何其他的。

  • FOLKS HAVE.

    民眾有:

  • THE ONLY PERSON I SEE COMING UP IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS

    我在共和黨中看到的唯一一個人是:

  • TUCKER CARLSON, I COULD SEE CHANNELING THIS.

    TUCKER CARLSON,我可以看到這個頻道。

  • BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT TO HAVE THOSE SAME

    但是,有這些同樣的人是不合適的。

  • IDEAS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES IS ALSO GOING TO REQUIRE A KIND

    理想和陰謀論也需要一種態度。

  • OF...

    的...

  • WICKED CHARISMA.

    邪惡的魅力。

  • >> Stephen: BEFORE WE GO, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

    >> Stephen:在我們出發之前,有兩個簡單的問題。

  • ONE IS WILL YOU MAKE A GUESS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

    一個是如果你不介意的話,請你現在就猜一猜。

  • DOES DONALD TRUMP OUT OF POWER LOSE HIS BASE?

    唐納德-特朗普失勢了嗎?

  • BECAUSE MY THEORY IS STRONGMAN IS STRONGMAN UNTIL STRONGMAN

    因為我的理論是強人就是強人,直到強人。

  • EVER WEAK.

    永遠弱不禁風。

  • AND THEN STRONGMAN NEVER STRONG.

    然後強人不強。

  • THAT THERE IS A NATURE TO SOMEONE WHO IS AUTOCRATIC

    有一個人的性質是誰是自動的。

  • CURIOUS, AND A BASE THAT FOLLOWS THAT FIGURE THAT HE MUSTN'T EVER

    好奇心,和一個基地,跟著這個數字,他必須永遠不會。

  • LOSE.

    輸了。

  • AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE SAYS, HE'S LOST, AND HE WILL BE OUT OF

    不管他說什麼,他已經輸了,他將離開

  • POWER IN ABOUT 35 DAYS.

    在大約35天的電力。

  • >> BUT, STEPHEN, DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS LAST MONTH HAS

    >> 但是,Stephen,你不覺得這就是過去一個月的事情嗎?

  • BEEN, WHICH IS AN EFFORT TO BASICALLY REDEFINE LOSS AND THAT

    是,這是對損失的基本定義的一種努力,而這

  • BASED ON POLL, THERE ARE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

    根據民意調查,有幾百萬和幾十萬的人。

  • AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE PARTY AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN

    以及黨內人數和黨內人數的變化。

  • THE MEDIA WHO ARE SUPPORTING THAT IDEA.

    支持這一觀點的媒體,

  • SO THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, HE JUST REDEFINES IT.

    所以,在其他話語中,他只是重新定義它。

  • SO IN ORDER, STRONGMAN DIDN'T LOSE.

    所以按照順序,強人沒有輸。

  • >> Stephen: I LIKE YOU.

    >> Stephen:我喜歡你。

  • I DON'T LIKE YOUR ANSWER.

    我不喜歡你的答案。

  • >> IS IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT OR BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE

    >> 是因為你不喜歡還是因為你不相信?

  • IT?

    IT?

  • >> Stephen: I JUST DON'T WANT TO THINK IT.

    >> 史蒂芬:我只是不想去想它。

  • I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT IN MY BEAUTIFUL MIND.

    我不想在我美麗的腦海裡有這樣的想法。

  • BEFORE YOU GUYS GO, AGAIN, CONSIDERATIONS ON 15 YEARS.

    在你們去之前,再一次,考慮15年。

  • WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES THE SHOW WORK?

    你認為是什麼讓這個節目成功的?

  • BECAUSE IT IS-- IT IS, TO ME, THE BEST PODCAST OUT THERE.

    因為它是... ... 它是,對我來說, 最好的PODC廣播在那裡。

  • >> I-- I'LL TAKE A QUICK STAB.

    >> 我... ... 我先來個速記。

  • I THINK IT'S THAT WE LOVE AND TRUST EACH OTHER AND WE BEGAN AS

    我想這是因為我們彼此相愛,彼此信任,所以我們開始了

  • FRIENDS AND WE HAVE BECOME GREATER FRIENDS.

    朋友,我們已經成為更好的朋友。

  • AND IT'S THIS-- I THINK IN A LOT OF PLACES IN MEDIA, THERE'S A

    它是這樣的 - 我認為在很多地方的媒體,有一個。

  • SENSE IF YOU SAY SOMETHING WRONG, YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR

    如果你說錯話,你會得到你的感覺。

  • HEAD TAKEN OFF.

    頭部起飛。

  • AND I THINK EACH OF US HAS SAID INCREDIBLY STUPID THINGS OVER

    我想我們每個人都說過一些非常愚蠢的事情。

  • THE YEARS.

    年。

  • ( LAUGHTER ) AND WE'VE BEEN HELD TO ACCOUNT

    (笑),我們已經被追究責任。

  • BY EACH OTHER, BUT ALWAYS IN THE MOST LOVING WAY.

    彼此,但總是以最愛的方式。

  • IT FEELS LIKE A FAMILY WHERE YOU HAVE THESE TWO WISE PARENTS IN

    感覺就像一個家庭,你有這兩個聰明的父母在裡面。

  • JOHN AND EMILY, AND I'M SORT OF LIKE THE UNCLE WHO TRADES

    約翰和埃米莉,我有點像誰交易的叔叔。

  • BITCOIN ON THE SIDE.

    邊上的比特幣。

  • BUT IT'S ALL ONE FAMILY.

    但它都是一個家庭。

  • >> YEAH, BUT IT'S-- WE'RE NICER TO EACH OTHER THAN PEOPLE ARE--

    >> 是的,但它是 -- 我們對彼此比人們更友好 --

  • OR AT LEAST-- AT LEAST I AM TO MY FAMILY.

    或者至少... 至少我對我的家人是這樣的。

  • SO IT'S LUKE A FAMILY WITH, LIKE, THE VENEER OF CIVILITY.

    所以,這是盧克一個家庭,喜歡, 文明的VENEER。

  • >> Stephen: THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T RECORD YOUR FAMILY DINNERS

    >> 史蒂芬:那是因為你沒有記錄你的家庭晚餐。

  • LIKE YOU DO THE "GABFEST" EVER WEEK.

    就像你每週的 "GABFEST "一樣。

  • >> EXACTLY.

    >> 正是如此。

  • >> WE ALL LIVE IN THESE TWO WORDS.

    >> 我們都生活在這兩個詞中。

  • THERE ARE OUR OTHER JOBS-- WE ALL HAVE OTHER JOBS.

    還有我們的其他工作 -- 我們都有其他工作。

  • I'M ON, I THINK, MY FOURTH JOB SINCE WE STARTED 15 YEARS AGO.

    我想,我已經是我們15年前開始的第四份工作了。

  • YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO WORLDS, I'M INCREDIBLY

    你知道嗎,當我想到這兩個世界時,我就會無比地... ...

  • LUCKY THAT MY CBS WORK AND THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH AND THE

    幸運的是,我的CBS工作和我工作的人和

  • RELATIONSHIPS I HAVE THERE, AND I THINK I AM-- I RECOGNIZE THAT

    我在那裡的關係,我想我是... ... 我認識到這一點。

  • LUCKINESS AND I AM BETTER AT DOING THAT PART OF MY LIFE

    幸運的是,我更擅長做我生命中的那部分。

  • BECAUSE OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITH EMILY AND DAVID WHO HAVE MADE ME

    因為我與愛米麗和戴維的關係,他們讓我成為了

  • A BETTER PERSON AND A BETTER JOURNALIST.

    一個更好的人和一個更好的記者。

  • AND I LOVE THE WAY IN WHICH WE INTERACT, BUT I ALSO LOVE THE

    我喜歡我們互動的方式,但我也喜歡這一點。

  • WAY IN WHICH THEY'VE MADE ME, YOU KNOW, BETTER IN MY OTHER

    他們讓我在其他方面做得更好的方式,你知道的

  • LIFE AT CBS, TOO.

    在CBS的生活,太。

  • >> Stephen: WELL, THANK YOU FOR AN AMAZING 15 YEARS OF YOUR

    >> 斯蒂芬: 好吧,感謝你15年來的精彩表現。

  • PODCAST.

    PODCAST:

  • AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER 15 MORE.

    我期待著再來15次。

  • THE 15th ANNIVERSARY EPISODE OF THE "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST"

    第15屆 "石板政治節 "週年紀念節目。

  • AIRS LIVE TOMORROW.

    明日直播。

  • EMILY BAZELON, JOHN DICKERSON, AND DAVID PLOTZ, EVERYBODY!

    埃米莉-巴澤隆,約翰-迪克遜,還有大衛-普洛茨,每個人!

  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A PERFORMANCE BY

    我們馬上就回來,為大家帶來一場表演。

  • GRETA VAN FLEET.

    GRETA VAN FLEET.

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