♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY.

*********** 斯蒂芬嘿，大家好。

WE'RE BACK WITH THE HOSTS OF "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST," JOHN

我們又回到了 "石板政論節 "的主持人約翰的身邊

DICKERSON, EMILY BAZELON, AND DAVID PLOTZ.

DICKERSON, EMILY BAZELON, 和DAVID PLOTZ.

I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON PART OF YOUR POINT THERE, JOHN, AND THIS

我想跟上你的部分觀點，約翰，還有這個。

IS FOR EVERYBODY AND SORT OF BASED UPON WHAT JAMAL BUOY SAID

是給每個人的，並在一定程度上根據賈馬爾-布依說的話。

IN LAST WEEK'S GABFEST-- WE MISS YOU DAVID.

在上週的GABFEST -- 我們想念你，大衛。

IT WAS WHY ARE THE REPUBLICANS STICKING BY THIS GUY?

它是為什麼共和黨人堅持這個傢伙？

BECAUSE DONT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING UP-- YOUR TOM COTTONS,

因為那些上場的人都不會... ...你的TOM COTTONS。

YOUR TED CRUZS, YOUR NIKI HALEYS-- DON'T THEY REALLY WANT

你的TED CRUZS，你的NIKI HALEYS -- 難道他們不想要。

HIM OFF THE SCENE, BECAUSE IF THE NEXT PRIMARY, THE NEXT 2024

他離開了舞臺，因為如果下一個初選，下一個2024年

PRIMARY IS ABOUT WHO CAN BE MOST LIKE DONALD TRUMP, THEN DONALD

最主要的是誰能最像唐納德-特朗普，然後唐納德

TRUMP WILL WIN THAT AND STAYING CLOSE TO HIM IS MERELY GOING TO

特朗普將贏得這一點，並保持接近他是純粹的去。

GIVE HIM MORE POWER?

給他更大的權力？

WHY WON'T THEY GIVE HIM THE DOOR?

為什麼他們不給他開門？

>> I MEAN, I WONDER IF THEY WILL AND WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE

>> 我的意思是，我想知道他們是否會這樣做，而我們只是還沒有到那裡

YET.

是的

LIKE, THEY HAVE A COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY'RE

就像，他們有一個集體行動的問題，因為他們是。

ALL CANDIDATES ALSO COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER.

所有候選人也在互相競爭。

BUT ONCE TRUMP IS NOT PRESIDENT AND DOESN'T HAVE QUITE THE SAME

但是，一旦特朗普不是總統，也沒有同樣的權力，他就會有同樣的權力。

MICROPHONE AND PERHAPS HOLD ON HIS SPACE, ISN'T IT MORE

麥克風，並可能在他的空間舉行，是不是更

POSSIBLE WE'LL SEE THOSE PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR HAVE A TOTAL

我們可能會看到這些人特別是有一個全面的。

INCENTIVE TO REACH THE VOTERS ON THEIR OWN, START TO MOVE AWAY

激勵他們自己去接觸選民，開始離開。

FROM HIM?

從他那裡？

I DON'T KNOW, JOHN, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

我不知道，約翰，你怎麼看？

>> WELL, ANYONE IN HIS PARTY OR OUTSIDE OF HIS PARTY WHO THINKS

>> 好吧，任何人在他的黨內或他的黨外誰認為，

THEY CAN CONTROL OR DEFINE WHAT DONALD TRUMP DOES HAS BEEN

他們可以控制或定義什麼唐納德-特朗普做了已經

DELIVERED DEFEAT AFTER DEFEAT.

提供了失敗後的失敗。

SO I THINK ANY STRATEGY THEY MAY HAVE FOR TRYING TO MOVE HIM

所以我認為他們可能有任何策略來試圖讓他離開。

ASIDE I THINK IS GOING TO LOSE.

旁白我想是要輸了。

WHAT INTERESTS ME IS WHETHER HE RUNS OR NOT OR TRIES TO PLAY

我感興趣的是，他是跑還是不跑，還是想玩。

KING MAKER IS WHETHER HE HAS CHANGED THE MARKET FOR

王者榮耀是他是否改變了市場的發展。

COMPETITION AMONG THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESIDENT.

與那些想當主席的人競爭：

HAS HE CHANGED THE WAY TO APPEAL TO THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN

他是否改變了向共和黨基層呼籲的方式？

PARTY?

派對？

AND HAS HE CHANGED THE EXPECTATION OF THAT BASE IN

他是否改變了對該基地的期望？

TERMS OF WHAT HE WANTS, WHAT CANDIDATES NEED TO TALK ABOUT TO

他想做什麼，候選人需要談什麼？

EVEN GET A HEARING?

甚至得到一個聽證會？

SO, CLEARLY, DONALD TRUMP OPENED THE OVERTON WINDOW ABOUT WHAT

所以，很明顯，唐納德-特朗普打開了奧弗頓的窗戶，關於什麼

WAS POSSIBLE IN POLITICS AND WHAT TO SAY.

在政治上是可能的，該怎麼說。

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER HE TURNED INTO A TICKET WINDOW.

問題是他是否進入了一個售票窗口。

DOES ANYBODY WANTING FAVOR IN THE FUTURE FROM REPUBLICANS HAVE

任何想在未來得到共和黨人青睞的人都有

TO BEHAVE LIKE HIM, HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE CONSPIRACIES THAT

要像他一樣，必須相信那些陰謀。

HE PROMOTES, HAS TO BASICALLY SUPPORT HIS SET OF IDEAS JUST TO

他宣傳，必須基本支持他的一套理念，只是為了。

GET A HEARING IN REPUBLICAN POLITICS?

在共和黨政治中獲得聽證會？

AND THAT'S A WAY IN WHICH THE QUESTION IS, THAT'S A WAY IN

這就是一個方式，其中的問題是，這是一個方式，在

WHICH HE CAN HAVE A LONG-STANDING INFLUENCE ON THE

他可以在其中發揮長期的影響。

PARTY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HIS PARTICULAR FORTUNES ARE.

黨，不管他的具體財富是什麼。

>> I WORRY IN THAT VEIN THAT NONE OF THE OTHERS-- WELL, I

>> "我擔心在那片土地上沒有人...

DON'T WORRY.

不要擔心。

NO ONE ELSE HAS THE CHARISMA THAT TRUMP HAS.

沒有人有特朗普那樣的魅力。

TRUMP HAS A CERTAIN CHAOTIC EVIL CHARISMA THAT NONE OF THE OTHER

特朗普有一種特殊的CHAOTIC邪惡的魅力，沒有任何其他的。

FOLKS HAVE.

民眾有：

THE ONLY PERSON I SEE COMING UP IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS

我在共和黨中看到的唯一一個人是：

TUCKER CARLSON, I COULD SEE CHANNELING THIS.

TUCKER CARLSON，我可以看到這個頻道。

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT TO HAVE THOSE SAME

但是，有這些同樣的人是不合適的。

IDEAS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES IS ALSO GOING TO REQUIRE A KIND

理想和陰謀論也需要一種態度。

OF...

的...

WICKED CHARISMA.

邪惡的魅力。

>> Stephen: BEFORE WE GO, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

>> Stephen:在我們出發之前，有兩個簡單的問題。

ONE IS WILL YOU MAKE A GUESS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

一個是如果你不介意的話，請你現在就猜一猜。

DOES DONALD TRUMP OUT OF POWER LOSE HIS BASE?

唐納德-特朗普失勢了嗎？

BECAUSE MY THEORY IS STRONGMAN IS STRONGMAN UNTIL STRONGMAN

因為我的理論是強人就是強人，直到強人。

EVER WEAK.

永遠弱不禁風。

AND THEN STRONGMAN NEVER STRONG.

然後強人不強。

THAT THERE IS A NATURE TO SOMEONE WHO IS AUTOCRATIC

有一個人的性質是誰是自動的。

CURIOUS, AND A BASE THAT FOLLOWS THAT FIGURE THAT HE MUSTN'T EVER

好奇心，和一個基地，跟著這個數字，他必須永遠不會。

LOSE.

輸了。

AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE SAYS, HE'S LOST, AND HE WILL BE OUT OF

不管他說什麼，他已經輸了，他將離開

POWER IN ABOUT 35 DAYS.

在大約35天的電力。

>> BUT, STEPHEN, DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS LAST MONTH HAS

>> 但是，Stephen，你不覺得這就是過去一個月的事情嗎？

BEEN, WHICH IS AN EFFORT TO BASICALLY REDEFINE LOSS AND THAT

是，這是對損失的基本定義的一種努力，而這

BASED ON POLL, THERE ARE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

根據民意調查，有幾百萬和幾十萬的人。

AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE PARTY AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN

以及黨內人數和黨內人數的變化。

THE MEDIA WHO ARE SUPPORTING THAT IDEA.

支持這一觀點的媒體，

SO THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, HE JUST REDEFINES IT.

所以，在其他話語中，他只是重新定義它。

SO IN ORDER, STRONGMAN DIDN'T LOSE.

所以按照順序，強人沒有輸。

>> Stephen: I LIKE YOU.

>> Stephen:我喜歡你。

I DON'T LIKE YOUR ANSWER.

我不喜歡你的答案。

>> IS IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT OR BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE

>> 是因為你不喜歡還是因為你不相信？

IT?

IT？

>> Stephen: I JUST DON'T WANT TO THINK IT.

>> 史蒂芬：我只是不想去想它。

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT IN MY BEAUTIFUL MIND.

我不想在我美麗的腦海裡有這樣的想法。

BEFORE YOU GUYS GO, AGAIN, CONSIDERATIONS ON 15 YEARS.

在你們去之前，再一次，考慮15年。

WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES THE SHOW WORK?

你認為是什麼讓這個節目成功的？

BECAUSE IT IS-- IT IS, TO ME, THE BEST PODCAST OUT THERE.

因為它是... ... 它是，對我來說， 最好的PODC廣播在那裡。

>> I-- I'LL TAKE A QUICK STAB.

>> 我... ... 我先來個速記。

I THINK IT'S THAT WE LOVE AND TRUST EACH OTHER AND WE BEGAN AS

我想這是因為我們彼此相愛，彼此信任，所以我們開始了

FRIENDS AND WE HAVE BECOME GREATER FRIENDS.

朋友，我們已經成為更好的朋友。

AND IT'S THIS-- I THINK IN A LOT OF PLACES IN MEDIA, THERE'S A

它是這樣的 - 我認為在很多地方的媒體，有一個。

SENSE IF YOU SAY SOMETHING WRONG, YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR

如果你說錯話，你會得到你的感覺。

HEAD TAKEN OFF.

頭部起飛。

AND I THINK EACH OF US HAS SAID INCREDIBLY STUPID THINGS OVER

我想我們每個人都說過一些非常愚蠢的事情。

THE YEARS.

年。

( LAUGHTER ) AND WE'VE BEEN HELD TO ACCOUNT

（笑），我們已經被追究責任。

BY EACH OTHER, BUT ALWAYS IN THE MOST LOVING WAY.

彼此，但總是以最愛的方式。

IT FEELS LIKE A FAMILY WHERE YOU HAVE THESE TWO WISE PARENTS IN

感覺就像一個家庭，你有這兩個聰明的父母在裡面。

JOHN AND EMILY, AND I'M SORT OF LIKE THE UNCLE WHO TRADES

約翰和埃米莉，我有點像誰交易的叔叔。

BITCOIN ON THE SIDE.

邊上的比特幣。

BUT IT'S ALL ONE FAMILY.

但它都是一個家庭。

>> YEAH, BUT IT'S-- WE'RE NICER TO EACH OTHER THAN PEOPLE ARE--

>> 是的，但它是 -- 我們對彼此比人們更友好 --

OR AT LEAST-- AT LEAST I AM TO MY FAMILY.

或者至少... 至少我對我的家人是這樣的。

SO IT'S LUKE A FAMILY WITH, LIKE, THE VENEER OF CIVILITY.

所以，這是盧克一個家庭，喜歡， 文明的VENEER。

>> Stephen: THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T RECORD YOUR FAMILY DINNERS

>> 史蒂芬：那是因為你沒有記錄你的家庭晚餐。

LIKE YOU DO THE "GABFEST" EVER WEEK.

就像你每週的 "GABFEST "一樣。

>> EXACTLY.

>> 正是如此。

>> WE ALL LIVE IN THESE TWO WORDS.

>> 我們都生活在這兩個詞中。

THERE ARE OUR OTHER JOBS-- WE ALL HAVE OTHER JOBS.

還有我們的其他工作 -- 我們都有其他工作。

I'M ON, I THINK, MY FOURTH JOB SINCE WE STARTED 15 YEARS AGO.

我想，我已經是我們15年前開始的第四份工作了。

YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO WORLDS, I'M INCREDIBLY

你知道嗎，當我想到這兩個世界時，我就會無比地... ...

LUCKY THAT MY CBS WORK AND THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH AND THE

幸運的是，我的CBS工作和我工作的人和

RELATIONSHIPS I HAVE THERE, AND I THINK I AM-- I RECOGNIZE THAT

我在那裡的關係，我想我是... ... 我認識到這一點。

LUCKINESS AND I AM BETTER AT DOING THAT PART OF MY LIFE

幸運的是，我更擅長做我生命中的那部分。

BECAUSE OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITH EMILY AND DAVID WHO HAVE MADE ME

因為我與愛米麗和戴維的關係，他們讓我成為了

A BETTER PERSON AND A BETTER JOURNALIST.

一個更好的人和一個更好的記者。

AND I LOVE THE WAY IN WHICH WE INTERACT, BUT I ALSO LOVE THE

我喜歡我們互動的方式，但我也喜歡這一點。

WAY IN WHICH THEY'VE MADE ME, YOU KNOW, BETTER IN MY OTHER

他們讓我在其他方面做得更好的方式，你知道的

LIFE AT CBS, TOO.

在CBS的生活，太。

>> Stephen: WELL, THANK YOU FOR AN AMAZING 15 YEARS OF YOUR

>> 斯蒂芬: 好吧，感謝你15年來的精彩表現。

PODCAST.

PODCAST：

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER 15 MORE.

我期待著再來15次。

THE 15th ANNIVERSARY EPISODE OF THE "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST"

第15屆 "石板政治節 "週年紀念節目。

AIRS LIVE TOMORROW.

明日直播。

EMILY BAZELON, JOHN DICKERSON, AND DAVID PLOTZ, EVERYBODY!

埃米莉-巴澤隆，約翰-迪克遜，還有大衛-普洛茨，每個人！

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A PERFORMANCE BY

我們馬上就回來，為大家帶來一場表演。

GRETA VAN FLEET.

GRETA VAN FLEET.