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  • ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY.

    *********** 斯蒂芬嘿,大家好。

  • WELCOME BACK.

    歡迎回來。

  • WE'RE HERE WITH THE AUTHOR OF "BAG MAN," RACHEL MADDOW.

    我們在這裡與 "袋人 "的作者,RACHEL MADDOW。

  • WELL, THAT SORT OF GRIFTING FOR HIS POSTPRESIDENTIAL CAREER IS

    好吧,這對他未來的總統生涯來說是一種恩賜。

  • JUST ANOTHER FORM OF CORRUPTION.

    只是另一種形式的腐敗。

  • THERE'S SOME DEBATE GOING ON AS TO WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE

    有一些爭論,關於是否應該有。

  • INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE ADMINISTRATION AFTER HE LEAVES

    在他離開後對行政部門的調查

  • OFFICE, WHETHER THAT'S THE BEST THING FOR THE COUNTRY.

    辦公室,這是否是對國家最好的事情。

  • WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE INDICTMENTS OF ANYONE IN THE

    是否有跡象表明,在《公約》中,任何人都有可能被起訴。

  • ADMINISTRATION, OR THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF, OR HIS CHILDREN,

    行政部門、主席本人或其子女的權利。

  • WOULDN'T IT BE NICE JUST TO KNOW, THOUGH?

    如果能知道就好了,不是嗎?

  • WOULDN'T IT BE NICE-- WHAT ARE THE LOOSE ENDS YOU'D MOST LIKE

    你最喜歡的鬆散的部分是什麼?

  • TO KNOW ABOUT?

    要知道的是?

  • >> OH, LIKE TRUMP MYSTERIES THAT NEVER GOT RUN DOWN?

    >> 哦,像特朗普的神祕事件,從來沒有運行下來?

  • >> Stephen: YES, YES.

    >> 史蒂芬:是的,是的。

  • >> OH, THERE IS SO MANY.

    >> 哦,有這麼多。

  • ( LAUGHS ).

    (笑):

  • >> Stephen: THE TAXES, OF COURSE, IS ONE GOOD ONE.

    >> Stephen: 稅收,當然,是一個很好的問題。

  • >> YEAH.

    >> 是的。

  • >> Stephen: YOU'VE BEEN CHASING THAT DRAGON FOR A WHILE.

    >> 你一直在追逐那條龍,有一段時間了。

  • >> YES.

    >> 是。

  • I WANT TO KNOW-- YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FINANCIAL

    我想知道... ... 你知道,有很多的金融。

  • THINGS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, INCLUDING,

    我想知道的關於總統的事情,包括:

  • YOU KNOW, WHY HIS GOLF COURSES MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE WHEN ALL

    你知道,為什麼他的高爾夫球場在財務上有意義嗎?

  • THEY DO IS LOSE MONEY, BUT HE WAS ABLE TO PAY FOR THEM IN CASH

    他們做的是賠錢,但他有能力用現金支付這些錢

  • AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE HE GOT THE CASH FROM TO PAY FOR THEM.

    沒人知道他從哪裡弄來的現金來支付這些東西。

  • >> Stephen: WHO DOES HE OH, $415 MILLION TO?

    >> Stephen:誰他哦,4.15億給誰?

  • >> EXACTLY.

    >> 正是如此。

  • THERE IS ALSO THE SMALLER STUFF.

    還有更小的東西。

  • THE PRESIDENT IS "INDIVIDUAL 1" IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW

    主席是新澤西州南部地區的 "個人1"。

  • YORK, WHERE HIS LAWYER, MICHAEL COHEN, ACTUALLY DID PRISON TIME

    在紐約,他的律師邁克爾-科恩實際上在那裡坐過牢。

  • FOR THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS AROUND THAT WHOLE

    競選資金的違規行為,在這一整個過程中

  • HUSH MONEY PAYMENT THING.

    催款的事情。

  • THOSE PROSECUTORS DESCRIBED THE PRESIDENT AS HAVING BEEN THE

    檢察官們將主席描述為 "最重要的人"。

  • PERSON WHO DIRECTED THE COMMISSION OF THOSE FELONIES AND

    指揮實施這些重罪的人和指揮者:

  • WHO BENEFITTED FROM THEM.

    誰從中受益。

  • >> Stephen: UNINDICTED COCONSPIR SOR.

    >> Stephen:隱祕的陰謀。

  • >> LITERALLY, AN UNINDICTED CO

    >> 從字面上看,一個未被證實的公司。

  • CONSPIRATOR.

    陰謀家:

  • I'M SEWER INTERESTED IN THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IF

    我對這個問題很感興趣,因為是否有可能

  • THOSE PROSECUTORS, IF THEY WANT TO, WHETHER THEY WILL BE ALLOWED

    這些檢察官,如果他們願意,他們是否會被允許。

  • INDEPENDENTLY TO PURSUE THE PERSON WHO DIRECTED THE

    獨立地追究指揮該事件的人的責任。

  • COMMISSION OF THOSE FELONIES SINCE THEY ALREADY PUT SOMEBODY

    由於他們已經把一些人送進了監獄,所以要把這些重刑犯送進監獄。

  • ELSE IN PRISON FOR IT.

    因為它而入獄。

  • BUT THERE ARE ALL THESE OTHER MYSTERIES INSPECT.

    但還有這些其他神祕的東西可以檢查。

  • WHY DID-- WHY DID THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN SHARE INTERNAL

    為什麼... 為什麼特朗普的競選主席會分享內部的

  • POLLING DATA WITH A RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER?

    和俄羅斯情報官員一起調查數據?

  • I DON'T KNOW.

    我不知道。

  • >> Stephen: COULD BE FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS.

    >> Stephen:可以是任何數量的原因。

  • >> WHO AMONG US HASN'T.

    >> 誰在我們中間沒有。

  • >> Stephen: IT'S A GREAT PICK-UP LINE.

    >> Stephen:這是一個很好的接機線。

  • SPEAK OF CORRUPTION, I WANT TO GET TO YOUR NEW BOOK, "BAG MAN:

    說到腐敗,我想去看你的新書 "袋人"。

  • THE WILD CRIMES, AUDACIOUS COVER-UP, AND SPECTACULAR

    荒誕的犯罪、聽覺上的掩飾和驚人的犯罪行為

  • DOWNFALL OF A BRAZEN CROOK IN THE WHITE HOUSE."

    "白宮裡的布拉茲克洛夫的下場"

  • AND IT'S NOT WHO YOU THINK, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

    這不是你想的那樣,女士們,先生們。

  • TELL THE PEOPLE WHO THIS IS ABOUT.

    告訴人們這是誰的事。

  • >> THIS IS ABOUT RICHARD NIXON'S VICE PRESIDENT, SPIRO AGNEW, WHO

    >> 這是關於尼克松的副總統,SPIRO AGNEW,誰的。

  • WAS THE ONLY VICE PRESIDENT TO HAVE EVER BEEN RUN OUT OF OFFICE

    他是唯一一個被趕下臺的副總統。

  • ON A RAIL.

    一條鐵路上。

  • AND HE LITERALLY HAD TO RESIGN HIS OFFICE MINUTES BEFORE HE

    而他實際上不得不辭去了他的辦公室分鐘之前,他。

  • PLED NO LO CONTENDRE, PLED NO CONTEST TO A CHARGE IN A

    PLED NO LO CONTENDRE, PLED NO CONTRACT TO A CHARGE IN A.

  • COURTROOM.

    審判室:

  • AND THE WHOLE SCHEME BY WHICH HE AVOIDED PRISON TIME AND WAS

    和整個計劃,使他躲過了監獄的時間,並被

  • ALLOWED TO RESIGN FOR HIS CRIMES, RATHER THAN FACE PRISON

    被允許為他的罪行辭職,而不是面對監獄。

  • TIME, AND THAT WAS TO KEEP HIM FROM BECOMING PRESIDENT.

    時間,那是為了防止他成為總統。

  • IT'S SORT OF AN UNTOLD STORY BECAUSE IT WAS SO OVERSHADOWED

    因為它被過度掩蓋了,所以算是一個不為人知的故事。

  • BY WATERGATE BUT I AM COMPLETELY OBSESSED WITH THIS STORY.

    但我完全沉迷於這個故事。

  • AND I THINK IT HAS LOTS OF TRAILING ENDS THAT BRING US

    我認為它有很多的跟蹤結束,給我們帶來了

  • THROUGH TO TODAY.

    一直到今天。

  • >> Stephen: IT REMINDS YOU-- HIS STORY REMINDS YOU THAT THE

    >> Stephen:他的故事提醒了你,他的故事提醒了你,他的故事提醒了你。

  • TERM "BAG MAN" LITERALLY COMES FROM BAGS OF MONEY.

    術語 "袋人 "字面意思來自於錢袋。

  • >> YES.

    >> 是。

  • >> Stephen: I ACTUALLY-- I ACTUALLY KNOW STORIES FROM

    >> 史蒂芬:我真的... ...我真的知道一些故事。

  • PEOPLE WHO DID CONSTRUCTION IN BALTIMORE IN THE 1960s AND

    六十年代和七十年代在巴爾的摩從事建築工作的人。

  • 50s.

    50s.

  • AND GOING IN TO GET YOUR PERMITTING, YOU HAD TO GET PAST

    你要去申請許可,就必須通過以下程序

  • SPIRO AGNEW.

    SPIRO AGNEW。

  • AND HE WOULD LITERALLY SAY, "WE'VE GOT A FEW PROBLEMS WITH

    他真的會說,"我們有一些問題,與

  • YOUR PLAN," AND HE WOULD LEAVE THE OFFICE, OPEN HIS DRAWERS,

    "你的計劃",然後他就會離開辦公室,打開他的抽屜。

  • WALK OUT, AND COME BACK IN AND HE WOULD SEE-- IF THERE WAS NO

    走出去,然後再回來,他就會看到 -- 如果沒有的話。

  • CASH IN THE DRAWER, HE WOULD SAY, "WE STILL HAVE A FEW

    在抽屜裡的現金,他說,"我們仍然有一些。

  • PROBLEMS WITH YOUR PERMIT."

    許可證的問題。"

  • THERE'S A LEGACY OF SPIRO AGNEW'S CORRUPTION AND HIS

    有一個遺留的SPIRO AGNEW的腐敗和他的。

  • RELATIONSHIP WITH RICHARD NIXON THAT LASTS TO THIS DAY AND HAS

    與尼克松的關係,一直持續到今天,並已。

  • ACTUALLY INFLUENCED THE LAST FOUR YEARS OF THE INVESTIGATIONS

    在過去四年的調查中實際受到影響的人的情況

  • INTO THIS PRESIDENT.

    進入本主席。

  • IT'S FASCINATING.

    這是很有趣的。

  • EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE WHY HE ACTUALLY KIND OF PUTS OUR OWN

    向人們解釋為什麼他實際上有點推我們自己的。

  • JUSTICE SYSTEM IN A BIND WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRESIDENT.

    司法系統在總統問題上陷入困境。

  • >> AGNEW IS THE LAST GUY BEFORE TRUMP WHERE THERE'S PROSECUTORS

    >> 阿紐是特朗普之前最後一個有檢察官的人。

  • INVESTIGATING CRIME.

    調查犯罪;

  • THEY IDENTIFY THE PERP, THE GUY'S IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

    他們認出了白房子裡的那個PERP。

  • AND THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.

    而他們必須想辦法解決這個問題。

  • AND IN AGNEW'S CASE, THEY HAD TO DECIDE AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

    而在阿紐的案件中,他們必須在司法部門做出決定。

  • WHETHER OR NOT HE COULD BE INDICTED.

    不管他是否會被起訴。

  • AND HIS LAWYERS ARGUED THAT HE COULDN'T BE INDICTED.

    而他的律師認為他不能被起訴。

  • HE COULD ONLY BE IMPEACHED.

    他只能被彈劾。

  • AGNEW ACTUALLY WENT TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AT THE TIME

    阿紐實際上是去找當時的眾議院發言人了

  • AND ASKED TO BE IMPECHED.

    並要求被IMPECHED。

  • PLEASE INVESTIGATE ME AND IMPEACH ME.

    請調查我,並責問我。

  • HE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.

    他認為這將是一個偉大的想法。

  • HE THOUGHT THAT WOULD PUT OFF THE PROSPECT OF BEING INDICTED.

    他以為這樣就能避免被起訴的可能性。

  • BUT NIXON WHO HAS A COMPLETELY OTHER SCANDAL-- WATERGATE IS A

    但尼克松誰有一個完全其他的醜聞 - 水門是一個。

  • TOTAL OTHER THING FOR WHICH HE THINKS HE'S GOING TO LOSE

    他認為自己會輸的其他事情總數。

  • OFFICE-- HE DOESN'T WANT THE WHEELS OF IMP PECHMENT TO START

    辦公室,他不希望輪子上的IMP PECHMENT開始了

  • AROUND AGNEW BECAUSE THEY THINK IT WILL TURN AROUND AND IMPEACH

    圍繞著新的,因為他們認為它會轉過來,並執行。

  • HIM.

    他:

  • HE SAID I WANT YOU TO LOOK INTO THIS, AND WHAT I WANT YOU TO

    他說我想讓你看看這個,而我想讓你看的是什麼。

  • FIND IS THAT AGNEW DEFINITELY CAN BE INDICTED, SO HE DOESN'T

    發現AGNEW肯定能被指控,所以他不。

  • GET IMPEACHED.

    得到被起訴。

  • BUT I CAN'T BE INDICTED AT ALL.

    但我不能被起訴。

  • COULD YOU DECIDE THAT, PLEASE.

    你能不能決定,請。

  • AND BECAUSE OF THAT SORT OF DIFFERENCE OF INTEREST BETWEEN

    因為兩者之間的興趣不同,所以...

  • NIXON AND AGNEW, AND BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY HATED EACH

    尼克松和阿格紐,因為他們恨對方的事實。

  • OTHER AND WERE BOTH TRYING TO THROW EACH OTHER UNDER THE BUS

    彼此都想把對方扔到巴士上

  • AT THAT TIME, AND THEY WERE BOTH FELONS, WE ENDED UP UP WITH THIS

    在那個時候,和他們都是罪犯,我們結束了與此。

  • JUSTICE DEPARTMENT POLICY THAT SAYS PRESIDENTS CAN'T BE

    司法部的政策規定,總統不能被。

  • INDICTED.

    指控:

  • >> Stephen: THAT'S JUST A MEMO FROM MITCHELL'S OFFICE, RIGHT?

    >> 這只是MITCHELL辦公室的備忘錄,對吧? That's JUST A MEMO FROM MITCHELL'S OFFICE, RIGHT?

  • THE CONTINUAL AT THE TIME.

    當時的連續。

  • >> A MEMO FROM THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL AT THE TIME THAT

    >> 法律顧問辦公室當時的備忘錄。

  • THE AGNEW THING IS GETTING FORCED INTO THE COURTS.

    新的東西是被逼上法庭的。

  • AND IT'S BASICALLY A FAVOR TO NIXON AND IT'S A MESS, AND

    它基本上是一個青睞尼克松 它是一個爛攤子,並

  • THERE'S NO SIGN AT ALL-- WE TALKED TO PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH

    沒有任何跡象 -- 我們和參與的人談過了

  • THAT.

    那。

  • THERE'S NO INDICATION THEY MEANT THAT TO BE A CONTROLLING "GET

    沒有任何跡象表明他們的意思是一個控制性的 "GET"。

  • OUT OF JAIL FREE" CARD FOR EVERY PRESIDENT WHO CAME AFTER.

    出獄免費 "卡給每一位後來的主席。

  • BUT IT TURNED INTO ONE.

    但它變成了一個。

  • AND THAT'S WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN BENEFITING FROM.

    這就是唐納德・特朗普的利益。

  • THAT'S WHY MUELLER DIDN'T LAY OUT ANY CRIMES TRUMP MIGHT HAVE

    這就是為什麼穆勒沒有列出任何犯罪特朗普可能有。

  • COMMITTED.

    承諾:

  • THAT'S WHY HE WAS "INDIVIDUAL 1" AND AN UNINDICTED COCONSPIRATOR

    這就是為什麼他是 "個人1號 "和未被證實的同謀的原因

  • INSTEAD OF INDICTED IN A HUSH MONEY.

    而不是被起訴到催款。

  • TRUMP ORS THAT HE'S NOT IN PRISON OR UNDER INDICTMENT TO

    特朗普表示,他沒有入獄,也沒有被起訴。

  • SPIRO AGNEW.

    SPIRO AGNEW。

  • >> Stephen: THE BOOK IS "BAG MAN.

    >> Stephen:這本書是 "袋人"。

  • IT'S AVAILABLE NOW.

    現在就有了。

  • SHE IS RACHEL MADDOW.

    她是RACHEL MADDOW。

  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH RAPPER MEGAN THEE STALLION.

    我們馬上回來,與RAPPER MEGAN THEE STALLION。

  • RACHEL, THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

    RACHEL,謝謝你來這裡。

♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY.

*********** 斯蒂芬嘿,大家好。

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