I got the phone call, thought it was mad.

我接到電話，以為是瘋了。

And like they pulled these doors open. You got 20 seconds, let's go. That's the only

就像他們拉開了這些門你有20秒，我們走吧。這是唯一的

reason I'm competing. Why are you competing to come second? You're not. You're competing

我參加比賽的原因。你為什麼要爭奪第二名？你沒有你是在競爭

to come first, right? You want to win?

要先來，對不對？你想贏？

Actually, this this is this is wild. How do I even get my head around this? I like there's

其實，這這這是野的。我怎麼都想不明白呢？我喜歡有

this massive warehouse that we never knew was there.

這個巨大的倉庫，我們從來不知道有。

We used to do a lot of tag. Someone had like a GoPro, and we just thought, let's test the

我們曾經做了很多的標籤。有人有像一個GoPro，我們只是想，讓我們的測試，

GoPro out and film one of our games of tag, and so we put the helmet on and then we just

GoPro，並拍攝我們的遊戲的標籤，所以我們把頭盔上，然後我們只是。

started playing tag in the garden. And it just kind of shows how how the sport

開始在花園裡玩標籤。它只是一種顯示 如何如何如何的運動。

has evolved really.

已經發展到真的。

Can you explain to me the basic rules of a chase tag match? Basically, there's two teams

你能給我解釋一下追逐賽的基本規則嗎？基本上，有兩支隊伍

of up to five or six athletes, depending on the tournament.

的最多五到六名運動員，根據比賽情況。

Each chase last 20 seconds.

每次追逐持續20秒。

One person is chaser and one person is evader, and the chaser has to try and tag the evader,

一個人是追趕者，一個人是逃避者，追趕者要設法標記逃避者。

and the evader has to try and not get caught. Whoever wins stays on is the evader, that's

而逃亡者必須儘量不被抓到。誰贏了誰就能繼續留在這裡，那就是

the most important thing. So the winner always stays on as the evader. And if the evader

最重要的事情。所以贏家總是以逃避者的身份留下來。而如果逃避者

can last 20 seconds without getting caught, then they get a point. Each match is basically

能持續20秒不被抓，那麼他們就能得到一分。每場比賽基本上都是

the best of sixteen chases.

十六追中的佼佼者。

One of the things that I noticed as a viewer is the sort of array of names that different

作為觀眾，我注意到的其中一件事是，不同的名字的陣列

obstacles have.

障礙有：

We'll do we do a clockwise, clockwise overview of all the obstalce. You've got the front

我們將做我們做一個順時針，順時針概述 所有的障礙。你已經得到了前面

line. People can just jump straight from a chase plate over the front line, which is

線。人們可以直接從追板上跳過前線，這就是

like a six foot jump about three foot up. Quite impressive. Come across the sisters,

像六英尺跳約三英尺高。相當厲害。碰到這對姐妹。

which are two boards that you can take off of the first one and jump the second one,

這是兩塊板子，你可以從第一塊板子上取下來，跳到第二塊板子上。

or you can do a double kong or a dive kong, which is when you like, slap with your hands

或者你可以做一個雙槓或潛槓，這是當你喜歡，用你的手拍打。

and your bum comes up in the air.

和你的屁股來了 在空中。

After the sisters, you get to the back line and this first obstacle in the back left is

過了妹子，就到了後線，這個左後方的第一個障礙是

where a lot of the evaders will start. It's called the tilted cube. Again, the tilted

很多逃避者會從那裡開始。這就是所謂的傾斜的立方體。同樣，傾斜的

cube providing a lot of protection. It is also one of the highest places for people

立方體提供了很多保護。它也是人們最高的地方之一

to get tagged. Come around the back line, which puts you underneath the mountain, which

以獲得標記。繞到後線，這讓你在山下，這。

is this big structure at the back with two big boards and a big flat board at the front.

就是後面這個大結構，有兩塊大板，前面有一塊大平板。

Over the back, we've got the loading bay. This is the bac right.

在後面，我們已經得到了裝載艙。這是右邊的BAC。

You're going to hit the ridge, which is a really high wall, it's probably the most likely

你會撞到山脊，這是一個非常高的牆，它可能是最有可能的。

obstacle to clip your knees on. Do you have a breakdown of what makes a really

障礙物來夾住你的膝蓋。你有一個細分的什麼使得一個真正的。

good or bad chase?

好還是壞的追逐？

I think the definition of a good chase is the number of interesting interactions probably.

我想，好的追逐的定義大概就是有趣的互動次數。

Chases have a certain kind of dynamic. You kind of look at them as like interactions

追逐有某種動態。你可以把它們看成是一種相互作用。

and then the chases. So the first four seconds of a chase is just the chaser getting towards

然後是追擊。所以追擊的前四秒是追擊者朝向...

the evader. Then there's interaction and then and then

的逃避者。然後是互動，然後再然後

there's interaction either he gets caught or he moves on to another part of the court.

有互動，要麼他被抓，要麼他轉移到球場的另一部分。

And then there's another interaction. So there is a kind of dynamic to a chase. There's interaction

然後還有另一種互動。是以，有一種動態的追逐。有互動

pursuit, interaction, pursuit, interaction, pursuit.

追求、互動、追求、互動、追求。

But we have a term called EQ, which is evasion quality, and that's like probably the most

但我們有一個術語叫EQ，就是迴避品質，這就像可能是最的

important thing to remember to do with the courts. So if it's a low IQ area, there's

重要的事情，要記住與法院做。所以如果是低智商地區，有

not much protection. If it's a high EQ area, there's a lot of protection.

保護力度不大。如果是高EQ的區域，就會有很多保護。

And then we realized the more obstacles we sort of put in the court, we realized it got

然後我們意識到我們在法庭上設置了更多的障礙，我們意識到它得到了。

more interesting, the more obstacles they were, then we realized actually parkour people

更有趣的是，他們的障礙物越多，然後我們意識到其實跑酷的人

are probably going to be the best athletes to play because there's so many obstacles.

是可能會成為最好的運動員，因為有太多的障礙。

What is going on in this clip? I'm coming up super high so I can reach above the bar,

這個片段是怎麼回事？我上來的時候是超高的，所以我可以達到欄杆上面。

not just grab it with my fingertips.

而不是僅僅用指尖抓住它。

I'm actually grabbing with bent arms, then I can load weight onto my lats, transfer underneath

我其實是用彎曲的手臂抓取，然後我可以把重量加載到我的腰部，在下面轉移

the ball with a swing, up to the other side of the bar for the 180. Grab the bar again.

球與擺動，到另一側的酒吧180。再抓住杆子。

So I had to let go of it to do the one eighty. And then once I've grabbed it, I'm reengaging

所以我必須放手去做一八零。然後一旦我抓住了它，我就會重新參與進來

all of my active shoulder movement. So lats, shoulders like pulling in and then being able

我所有的主動肩部運動。所以，腰部，肩部喜歡拉，然後能夠... ...

to spot where I'm going and further my hips up above the space I'm going to land on and

來確定我要去的地方，並進一步我的臀部以上的空間，我將降落在和

then land on the balls of my feet, which is like a must with parkour, because if you land

然後降落在我的腳球，這就像一個必須與跑酷，因為如果你土地

anywhere on the box, you could slip.

盒子上的任何地方，你可能會滑倒。

If you land on the edge, you've got something to push against and it needs to be the balls

如果你落在邊緣，你就會有東西推著你，它需要的是球

of your feet because if you land on your toes, you'll slip, and if you land in the middle,

因為如果你的腳尖著地，你會滑倒，如果你在中間著地。

it'll hurt.

會很疼的

And if you land on the heels, you could slip.

而且如果你落在高跟鞋上，你可能會滑倒。

So it has to be this part of your foot that's strong.

所以必須是你腳的這個部位強壯。

You're reminding me of in those Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes movies when Holmes gets in

你讓我想起了蓋-裡奇的電影《福爾摩斯》，當福爾摩斯進來的時候

some sort of situation. "Cross to the right cheek."

某種情況。"向右臉頰交叉。"

The whole point of parkour, like the philosophy behind it is basically like self-control and

整個跑酷的意義，就像它背後的哲學，基本上就像自制力和。

understanding of your body and understanding your surroundings and stuff like that.

瞭解自己的身體，瞭解周圍的環境之類的東西。

How is the parkour world organized into these teams?

跑酷界是如何組織成這些團隊的？

What are teams? So all these brands came about as, yeah, just groups of young lads who were

什麼是團隊？所有這些品牌的出現都是，是的，只是一群年輕的小夥子，他們是

training together often, having fun and wanting to try and make a living off of it.

經常在一起訓練，玩得很開心，想嘗試著以此為生。

That first time that you tried World Chase Tag, do you remember how that felt or what

你第一次嘗試世界大通關的時候，你還記得那種感覺嗎，或者是什麼？

you thought? Yeah, I was really tired. It's going to take persistence. Was that a tag,

你覺得呢？是的，我是真的累了。這將需要堅持不懈的努力。那是一個標籤。

no Richard's still in pursuit! Richard's going low!

不，理查德還在追！理查德在下降！

I was like, this is really fucking tiring. As a parkour athlete, you're used to doing

我當時想，這真是他媽的累人。作為一個跑酷運動員，你習慣於這樣做。

lines that are like really, really short and explosive, right?

行，是像真的，真的短 和爆炸性，對不對？

And you have a preset route like you don't just run around as people think, like on roofs

你有一個預設的路線，就像你不只是跑來跑去的人認為，像在屋頂上。

and like do anything. You don't do that. Everything's pretty thought out. Everything's tested. Everything

和喜歡做任何事情。你不這樣做。一切的漂亮想出來。一切的測試。每件事

is like, I know what I can do. This is like it's totally like instinctual at first.

是喜歡，我知道我可以做什麼。這就像它完全像 本能的第一。

Because obviously when you first play you don't think about tactics, you're just like,

因為很明顯，當你第一次玩的時候，你不會考慮戰術，你只是喜歡。

OK, just run like, you know? And obviously, you play the first game, you're like, OK,

好吧，只是運行喜歡，你知道嗎？很明顯，你玩的第一場比賽， 你喜歡，OK。

this the first two, three games. You're like, OK, there's some strategy to

這前兩三場比賽。你喜歡，OK，有一些策略，以

this.

這個。

You're familiar with in like any ball sport, you get juking so you'd go like you going

你熟悉的像任何球類運動，你得到juking所以你會去像你去。

up to a player and you divert. So it looks like you going to go one way and you go the

到了一個玩家那裡，你就會轉移。所以，它看起來像你要去一個方向，你走的是

other way. That's like a really obvious like we use juking.

其他方式。這就像一個非常明顯的像我們使用juking。

Idling is a great term, but it's when you you've got an obstacle between you and another

閒置是個很好的名詞，但是當你和另一個人之間有障礙的時候

person. So there's an impasse and you look like you're moving, but you're not.

人。所以出現了僵局，你看似在動，實則不然。

So you're just you're on the balls of your feet. You're almost, it's like an engine is

所以你只是... ...你是在你的腳球。你幾乎，這就像一個發動機是。

running and then it explodes. And that's, it's the build up is a crescendo

運行，然後它爆炸。那是，它的建立是一個高潮。

before the like, great drop in the music. James, wait , you see. Look at that.

前的喜歡，偉大的下降的音樂。詹姆斯，等等，你看。你看那個。

Yeah. Goading him on, giving him a little bit of hands.

是啊。慫恿他，給他一點手。

Proper mental torture almost of like like antagonizing somebody and getting them frustrated.

適當的精神折磨幾乎就像... ...像對抗某人，讓他們感到沮喪。

So you know what they're going to do? You know, like telegraphing something is something

所以你知道他們要做什麼嗎？你知道，像電報的東西是什麼東西

that's really, really important. I think that fighting is a really similar.

這是真的，真的很重要。我認為，戰鬥是一個非常相似的。

What can you tell me about this idea of herding? One of the techniques would be called shepherding,

你能告訴我這個放牧的理念是什麼？其中一種技術就叫牧養。

and I think I'm safe to say that that's quite well known.

我想我可以肯定地說，這是很有名的。

Yeah, I've I've been using herding. You just classed it up like 20 percent.

是的，我... ...我一直在用放牧。你只是把它歸類為20%。

Yeah.

是啊。

But yeah, I mean, the name says it, it is sort of like you're doing this and doing this

但是，是的，我的意思是，名字說的是，它有點像你這樣做，做這個。

and you're keeping them in a corner. And it's like having control over where they are, because

你讓他們在一個角落裡。這就像有控制 他們在哪裡，因為。

you're almost like you're at their mercy if you're following them around religiously,

你幾乎像你在他們的憐憫 如果你跟隨他們周圍的宗教。

whereas if you are shepherding them and keeping them into a corner, you have control in that

而如果你是牧羊人，把他們關在一個角落裡，你就有控制權了

situation.

狀況。

Haroon herds perfectly.

哈龍完美地放牧。

Reverse herd is really, really tricky to do, and it's basically to keep your eyes on the

反向放牧真的非常非常的棘手，基本上是要盯住的。

opponent as an evader and run them through high IQ obstacles while they're chasing you.

對手作為一個逃避者，並運行他們通過高智商的障礙，而他們追你。

And I know that's something he's worked on because I talk to friends of them and he basically

我知道他一直在努力，因為我跟他們的朋友談過，他基本上...

points. Steps up, goes up to the mountain, drops down, Haroon pointing one way going

點。階，上山，下山，哈倫指著一個方向走去

the other, a trademark of his.

另一個，是他的商標。

Being a chaser used to be easier, it's now made a little bit harder because they they

以前做追兵容易，現在做追兵就有點難了，因為他們他們

talk about EQ, evasion quality, quite a lot and they're trying to increase that. What

談論EQ，迴避品質，相當多，他們正試圖增加。什麼？

they want to do is they want to keep the EQ at twenty five percent. So I used to love

他們想做的是他們想保持EQ在25%。所以我以前很喜歡

chasing because I thought it was really, really easy and I could get it done. But for, like,

追逐，因為我認為這是真的， 真的很容易，我可以得到它。但對於，喜歡，

pure glory, evasions are like how you get points, right. Like evasion is how you get

純粹的榮耀，迴避就像你如何獲得積分一樣，對吧。就像迴避是你如何獲得

a point and how you get it done. So I love that the most.

一個點，以及你如何去完成它。所以我最喜歡這個。

We always used to play in an open garden, and then I remember the day, the first time,

我們以前總是在露天花園裡玩，然後我記得那一天，第一次。

the obstacles kind of came into it.

障礙種進入它。

Christian had cut the hedge and we started to play around the hedge clippings, and that

克里斯蒂安砍掉了樹籬，我們開始在樹籬邊上玩耍，那是什麼？

was the first time we thought, actually, that's pretty, that's pretty good.

是第一次，我們認為，其實，這是漂亮的，這是相當不錯的。

So it was running based.

所以它是基於運行的。

So if you are fast and agile, then you would dominate. Then when we introduce the bench,

所以如果你的速度快、敏捷，那麼你會佔據優勢。那麼當我們介紹凳。

it was quite a low bench. You had to go over the bench. So it was a different skill.

這是一個相當低的板凳。你必須翻過板凳。所以這是一個不同的技能。

We started in the garden, then we started a meetup group. Once it got to winter, people

我們先是在園子裡，然後開了個見面會。一旦到了冬天，人們

was sliding. It was muddy and it was raining. And so we moved into a gym that called Parkour

正在滑行。它是泥濘的，它是下雨。所以我們搬進了一個叫跑酷的健身房。

Generations. That was the first parkour gym that opened up in like in London. They had

世代。這是第一個跑酷健身房 這打開了像在倫敦。他們有

much better obstacles, so we started to like that, but they were just boxes and bars. We

所以我們開始喜歡上了這些障礙物，但它們只是盒子和欄杆。但它們只是盒子和欄杆。

bought some scaffolding and we basically made our own quad.

買了一些腳手架，我們基本上做了我們自己的四。

And this is the definite watershed moment for us, because we knew it was fun.

而這對我們來說絕對是分水嶺，因為我們知道這很有趣。

This video of you guys, this is maybe my favorite footage that I've ever received from a source

你們的這段視頻，這也許是我最喜歡的片段，我收到的消息來源

of you guys debating the placement of the bars in your in your back garden.

你們這些傢伙辯論的位置 酒吧在你的在你的後花園。

I reckon the good thing about it is that, again, the EQ, for stop there's going to be

我估計它的好處是，同樣是EQ，對於停止有會是

no thing around here.

這裡沒有任何東西。

You help the Chaser to stop Benny Hill. If the bar is here within sort of actually see

你幫助追擊者阻止班尼-希爾。如果酒吧在這裡，在某種程度上，實際上是看到了

the bar there. Yeah, that's the thing.

吧檯那裡。是的，這就是事情。

You actually don't want that body because it might help them come up here.

你其實並不想要那具身體，因為它可能會幫助他們來到這裡。

But what the Chaser would do is if someone flies through from into this hole and you

但追獵者會做的是，如果有人從這個洞裡飛過來，而你卻...

suppose suppose.

假設假設。

We've had that conversation a million times.

我們已經談過無數次了。

So we just then had to refine the rules and then we've just been refining the quad and

所以我們就不得不完善規則，然後我們就一直在完善四合院和。

then just refining it, refining it as we go along.

然後只是完善它，完善它，因為我們去。

I don't think it's a big priority is going to be a hassle to do it unless, you know,

我不認為這是一個大的優先級是會是一個麻煩的做法，除非，你知道。

I think I don't know, I'll have to measure up and do it. But, yeah, it could go on there.

我想我不知道，我必須測量起來，做到這一點。但是，是的，它可以去那裡。

What is your name and what is your primary occupation in the world of sports commentary?

你叫什麼名字，你在體育解說界的主要職業是什麼？

Well, I'm Dan Dawson, I've ridiculously accidentally ended up with this sort of moniker of Dan

我是丹-道森，我很可笑地意外地獲得了丹這個綽號。

Darts Dawson. International Darts Open.

飛鏢道森。國際飛鏢公開賽。

The final European tour event of the year has just played out.

今年最後一場歐巡賽剛剛打完。

It's been won by this man, the rock star Joe Cullin. And it is a heart breaker. Andy Hamilton

這個人贏了，搖滾明星喬・卡林。這讓人心碎安迪-漢密爾頓

with a nine darter!

用九節棍！

And so you're sort of put in this interesting position because you have all this knowledge

所以你的處境很有趣，因為你擁有所有的知識。

about darts and the darts world. But then suddenly you have to become obsessed with

關於飛鏢和飛鏢世界。但突然間，你就不得不迷戀上了。

World Chase Tag in a very short period of time.

世界大通牌在很短的時間內。

As somebody I'd worked with on the darts had got in touch, just bummed me a speculative

因為有一個和我一起做飛鏢的人和我聯繫過，只是給了我一個投機取巧的機會。

email saying I'm doing a doing this thing.

電子郵件說我在做一個做這件事。

It's like it's like a sport, but it's like like tag, you know, like the playground game.

這就像它像一項運動， 但它像標籤，你知道， 像遊樂場的遊戲。

And then as soon as I, I Googled it and had a look like I was I was blown away.

然後我一，我上網查了一下，一看我是我被嚇到了。

I was aware of parkour, but only like when I was a teenager, I think when it all sort

我知道跑酷，但只有當我十幾歲的時候，我想當這一切的排序。

of started happening, there were these impossibly cool French guys going, of parkour is it's

開始發生，有這些不可能的酷法國人去，跑酷是它的。

a philosophy it is not a sport. It is a way of life. And I remember people just running

一種哲學，它不是一項運動。它是一種生活方式。我記得人們只是跑

around as a teenager, like jumping on walls and stuff a bit like this. The American office

少年時，喜歡跳牆之類的東西有點像這樣。美國辦公室

geezer who just runs around shouting parkour. Parkour! And then to see this turned into

老頭誰只是跑來跑去 喊跑酷。跑酷！然後看到這個變成了

an actual competitive sport was was cool. But I was I still wasn't prepared for when

一個實際的競技運動是很酷。但我還是沒有準備好，當...

I actually got down there on the day.

那天我真的下去了。

He cannot get hold of it back on the loading bay!.

他不能把它弄回裝貨區!

I mean, look at me. I walked into that place and they all look like Greek gods. I was like

我的意思是，看著我。我走進那個地方，他們看起來都像希臘神。我當時就想

I was like Jabba the Hutt being surrounded by like three dozen Luke Skywalkers somersaulting

我就像赫特人賈巴被三打天行者盧克包圍著在翻筋斗。

all over the place. Like that is not my natural habitat. But to go in there and just try and

到處都是。好像那不是我的自然棲息地。但去那裡，只是嘗試和

learn. Speaking to Damien and Christian about how they came up with the game and the concept,

學習。跟Damien和Christian說說他們是如何想出這個遊戲和概念的。

Connor was invaluable when I was working with him just to try, I've got him to just walk

康納是非常寶貴的，當我和他一起工作，只是為了嘗試，我已經得到了他只是步行

me around the quad.

我在四合院裡。

Over the sisters ran towards his front line, looking to cut down the angle and does so.

過姐妹們向他的前線跑去，想切下角度，也確實如此。

And lands on tops. He lands on top of him, that is crazy play, he had to make up for

而且落在上面。他降落在他的頂部，這是瘋狂的遊戲，他必須彌補。

lost time from a small slip up early on his massive run chasing down across the front

喪失了時間，因為他在前面的大量跑動中，早早地就因為一個小小的失誤而失去了時間。

line and get down on top of the other player.

線，並在對方球員身上趴下。