He's the 44th President of the United States

他是美國第44任總統。

and the author of this best-selling

和這本暢銷書的作者

new book called "A Promised Land."

新書叫 "應許之地"。

Here is President Barack Obama.

這就是巴拉克-奧巴馬總統。

Hi, President -- -Jimmy.

嗨，總統 -- -吉米

-Thank you so much for coming back to the show.

-謝謝你回來參加節目。

You look great. And I know we don't really

你看起來很棒我知道我們並不真的

have a way of really keeping in touch.

有辦法真正保持聯繫。

But, gosh, I really missed you, bud.

但是，天哪，我真的很想你，夥計。

-I missed you.

-我很想你

Although, I kind of like the whole disheveled --

雖然，我有點喜歡整個亂七八糟的 --

-[ Laughs ] -You know, sweater.

-你知道，毛衣。

-No. No, no. -Slightly --

-不，不，不。

-I can't -- -Little bit of stubble look.

-我不能...

-No. -Now, you're back

-不 現在，你回來了。

behind a desk, tie. -[ Laughs ]

辦公桌後面，領帶。-[笑]

-I can't -- for you -- -You know, hair product.

-我不能，為你，你知道，發製品。

-Yeah. I mean, I'm swearing swim shorts, swim trunks, under here,

-是的，我是說，我發誓泳褲，泳褲，在這裡下面。

but I'm not going to show you that.

但我不會給你看的。

But, yeah, I got to dress up for you.

但是，是的，我得為你打扮一下。

I always think of the time when I came to the White House

我一直在想，當我來到白宮的時候。

for the Fourth of July and I opened up

國慶節的時候，我打開了

for the Foo Fighters for a veterans...

為Foo Fighters的退伍軍人... ...

-Yeah. -...party that you had,

-是的，你開的那個派對。

and I got -- I was so nervous.

我得到了 - 我是如此緊張。

I got really dressed up there as well.

我在那裡也穿得非常漂亮。

And I was wearing -- I think I was wearing a three-piece suit,

我當時穿著... 我想我當時穿著一套三件套的衣服。

and it was probably 98 degrees.

而當時的氣溫大概是98度。

-It was really hot. -It was ridiculous --

-真的很熱-太荒唐了 --

And Michelle was like, "Oh, you poor thing.

米歇爾就說："哦，你真可憐。

Loosen your tie or something."

鬆開你的領帶什麼的。"

I mean, there was sweat coming through my collar,

我的意思是，有汗水通過我的衣領。

and you were like, "Didn't you get the memo?

你就像，"你沒有得到的備忘錄嗎？

It's a barbecue." And I go --

這是一個燒烤。"我去 --

-Come on. -I was awful.

-來吧-我太可怕了

I was sweating so much. But, yeah.

我出了很多汗。但是，是的。

Those were so many --

這些都是那麼多...

so many fun memories hanging out with you, and --

這麼多有趣的回憶 掛出與你，和 -

Congrats on the book. Here it is.

恭喜你出書了在這裡，它是。

Great cover, by the way.

對了，封面很好看

Great look. -Thank you.

好看極了-謝謝你

-Just crisp, clean.

-爽快，乾淨。

It's a -- it's not a quick read.

這是一個... 這不是一個快速閱讀。

But, it is a -- you get your money's worth.

但是，這是一個 - 你得到你的錢的價值。

Look at this. I mean, that's a big book.

你看這個，我是說，那是一本大書我的意思是，這是一個大書。

-You know what?

-你知道嗎？

I think you can handle it, Jimmy.

我想你能處理好，吉米

I really do.

我真的很喜歡

-Well, I mean, I got up to the part with the pictures.

-我的意思是，我到了有照片的那部分

And that's where I got really excited.

這就是我真正興奮的地方。

[ Laughter ]

[笑聲]

I -- before we get into everything, how is the family?

在我們進入正題之前，我... ... 家庭情況如何？

How is Michelle? How are the girls?

米歇爾怎麼樣？姑娘們好嗎？

-You know, Michelle is great.

-你知道，米歇爾是偉大的。

She sends her love. -Aww.

她送上她的愛。-啊

-The girls have been with us throughout the,

-女孩們一直和我們在一起。

you know, pandemic.

你知道，大流行。

Yeah, they've been doing remote college.

是的，他們一直在做遠程大學。

Malia's a senior at Harvard.

瑪利亞是哈佛大學的高材生。

And Sasha's a sophomore at Michigan.

而薩沙是密歇根大學的二年級學生。

-Wow. That's great. -So...

-哇。哇。 - 那太好了。 - 所以...-所以...

you know, as we've talked about parenting,

你知道，因為我們已經談到了育兒，

now I'm a little bit ahead of you in age.

現在我的年齡比你早一點。

-How is it? -You go through this cycle.

-怎麼了？-你要經歷這個週期.

They love you. They think you're terrific.

他們愛你。他們認為你是了不起的。

You get to around 12. -[ Laughs ]

你到了12歲左右。-[笑]

-They think you're a loser.

-他們認為你是個失敗者。

-Yeah. I got my first eye roll, yeah.

-是的，我第一次翻白眼，是的。

-But by the time they come back to you and, in this case,

-但當他們回到你身邊的時候，在這種情況下，

you know, Sasha's now 19, Malia's 22.

你知道，薩沙的現在19，瑪利亞的22。

You know, they, suddenly, like you again.

你知道，他們，突然又喜歡上了你。

-[ Laughs ] -And they're interesting

-他們很有趣。

and they're smart, and they're funnier

他們很聰明，他們更有趣

than you are. -Yeah.

比你的。-是的

-So it's been a joy to have them around.

-所以，有他們在身邊很開心。

You know, I think they have, obviously,

你知道，我認為他們有，顯然。

started getting cabin fever

開始發燒

hanging out with us as much as they are.

和我們一起出去玩，就像他們一樣。

But I don't mind it.

但我不介意。

-I got my first eye roll the other day,

-前幾天我第一次翻了個白眼。

which was pretty interesting. -Oh, man.

這是很有趣的。-哦，夥計

How'd do you handle it?

你是怎麼處理的？

-I couldn't -- I really -- It really broke my heart.

-我不能... 我真的... 我真的很傷心。

I go, "You're my number one fan.

我說："你是我的頭號粉絲。

You can't -- you laugh at everything.

你不能... ... 你什麼都笑。

Every joke I tell, you laugh at.

我講的每個笑話，你都會笑。

I -- I -- And she was like... -Oh, man.

我... 我... 她就像...

-Yeah. -Wait till they're 14. Whoo!

-是啊 等到他們14歲的時候再說吧嗚！

-I cant -- I can't even. I can't even.

-我不能 - 我什至不能。我甚至不能。

Are you -- in this past four years,

你... 在過去的四年裡

I think the last time I talked to you,

我想我最後一次和你說話的時候。

we were talking about what you were most excited about doing,

我們在討論你最感興趣的事情。

and I think you were like,

我想你是喜歡，

just even pressing a button on an elevator,

就連電梯上的一個按鈕都要按一下。

or, it was like the simplest little things

或者，這就像最簡單的小事一樣。

that you did not do.

你沒做過的事

Have you done that? Have you taken out the trash?

你做了嗎？你把垃圾倒了嗎？

Have you -- -I -- yeah, look,

你有沒有... 我... 是的，你看

I mean, there's a bunch of honey do list items

我的意思是，有一堆的蜂蜜做列表項目

that I have been carrying out.

我一直在進行的。

Don't seem quite as romantic as they did at the time.

似乎沒有當時那麼浪漫了。

-Yeah.

-是的

-And, you know, I've driven a couple of times,

-而且，你知道，我開過幾次車。

although in very restricted areas.

雖然是在非常有限的地區。

-Stick shift or automatic? -And much to the --

-變速桿還是自動擋？-還有很多...

Uh, automatic. -Me too.

呃，自動的-我也是

-You know, I didn't want to cause, you know, havoc.

-你知道，我不想造成，你知道，破壞。

-[ Laughs ] Yeah.

-[笑]是啊。

-But, you know, the thing that I haven't been able to do

-但是，你知道，我還沒能做到的事情是：

that I thought I was going to be able to do --

我認為我將能夠做到... ...

and Michelle knew I was an idiot to think this way,

米歇爾知道我是個白痴，才會有這樣的想法。

was, I thought I could, like, go around

是，我想我可以，喜歡，去周圍

and take a walk sometimes.

有時也會出去走走。

And it turns out that... -Yeah, you're you.

結果發現...-是的，你是你。

-...I can't do that. I cannot -- I can't do that.

-...我不能這樣做。 我不能... ...我不能這樣做。我不能... ... 我不能這樣做。

So -- Although we've been doing some bike rides.

所以... ... 雖然我們一直在做一些騎自行車。

'Cause you're moving fast enough that even if they...

因為你的速度足夠快，即使他們... ...

-They go, "Hey, is that --" -...spot you,

-他們說，"嘿，那是..."-...發現你。

it's too late. -Yeah, exactly.

太晚了-是的，沒錯

-You're gone by that time.

-那時候你已經走了

-Probably it's even bet-- if you --

-也許甚至可以打賭 -- 如果你 --

You can't even do it alone, I'm just saying,

你一個人都做不到，我只是說說而已。

but if it's you and Michelle and the kids,

但如果是你和米歇爾還有孩子們的話，

everyone's like, "Wha-- wha-- what, what?

每個人都喜歡，"Wha -- wha -- 什麼，什麼？

That's like --" People would just freak out.

這就像 --"人們會嚇壞的

-Well, the thing about Michelle when we go

-米歇爾的事情，當我們去...

bike riding together,

一起騎車。

she's this -- she thinks she's in a race, right?

她是這個 - 她認為她是在比賽中，對不對？

I mean, it -- on the Alps or something.

我的意思是，它... ... 在阿爾卑斯山什麼的。

And she's just powering through,

而她只是在發力。

and she's about a mile ahead of me, and...

她在我前面一英里處，而且... ...

-Oh, no. -I'm sort of meandering,

-哦，不，我有點猶豫不決。

trying to figure out how to shift gears, and so --

試圖弄清楚如何換檔，所以 --

-Yeah, I'm cruising, yeah. Me too.

-是的，我在巡航，是的。我也是

-Yeah, it's not that romantic. -It's more of a workout.

-是的，沒有那麼浪漫.-更多的是鍛鍊身體.

-It's more of a workout.

-這更像是一種鍛鍊。

-For this, you took a deep dive

-為此，你做了一次深入的調查

into your journey to the White House,

進入你的白宮之旅。

and your first few years as president.

和你作為總統的頭幾年。

You also released an audiobook version,

你還推出了有聲書版本。

which you narrate, which I think is great.

其中你的敘述，我認為這是偉大的。

But I was going to ask you, when it came time to record it,

但我本來想問你，到了錄音的時候。

was there any part of you that was kicking yourself

有任何部分的你 這是自責的自己

for writing such a long book?

寫這麼長的書？

[ Laughter ] -Absolutely.

[笑]絕對的。

You know, you don't --

你知道，你不...

You don't realize how exhausting it is

你不知道這有多累啊

to just sit there and read.

只是坐在那裡讀。

And it gives you a newfound respect for,

而且它給你一個新的尊重：

you know, professional actors and narrators and so forth,

你知道，專業演員和解說員等等。

because after about three hours I was whooped.

因為大約三個小時後，我就被揍了。

-Yeah, exactly. -And, you know, you look,

-是的，沒錯-而且，你知道，你看起來

"Really? We only got through ten pages?

"真的嗎？我們只看了十頁？

What do you mean?"

你什麼意思？"

-You're like, "Hey, can we get Tom Cruise

你會說："嘿，我們能不能讓湯姆-克魯斯來演？

to do this or something?"

要做這個還是什麼？"

-Exactly. But, you know,

-沒錯但是，你知道的

the goal of my --

我的目標是...

my book was to

我的書是要

tell a story about, yes, policy,

講一個故事，是的，政策。

and you know, the Affordable Care Act

你知道的，平價醫療法。

and how we got Bin Laden and all that stuff.

以及我們如何得到本拉登和所有的東西。

But also to try to pull the curtain back

但也要努力拉開帷幕。

and give people a sense of what it's like for a family

並讓人們感受到一個家庭是怎樣的。

to go on this weird journey.

去進行這種奇怪的旅行。

And -- and, you know,

而且 -- 而且，你知道，

how Michelle and the girls and I

米歇爾和女孩們和我

had to try to hang on to

不得不硬撐

our sense of who we were and normalcy,

我們的感覺 我們是誰和正常的。

and with highs and lows

忽高忽低

and tensions and stresses. -Yeah.

和緊張和壓力。-是的

-And kind of come out of the other end intact.

-然後從另一端完好無損地走出來

And so part of my goal here

所以我的目標之一就是

was not just to give some dry report,

不僅僅是為了給出一些乾巴巴的報告。

but, you know, to describe for people

但是，你知道，為人們描述

what it's like, you know, the first night

它是什麼樣子的，你知道，第一夜。

you sleep in the White House and you kind of realize,

你睡在白宮，你會意識到，

"What the heck? How'd I end up here?" Or...

"這到底是怎麼回事？我怎麼會在這裡？"或者說...

-Yeah. Do you remember the first thing you saw

-是啊，你還記得你看到的第一件事嗎？你還記得你看到的第一件事嗎？

when you actually walked into the White House?

當你真正走進白宮的時候？

-Were you like -- Did you look at like a phone

-你是否像... 你是否像看手機一樣看

or an old painting or something and you're like,

或一幅老畫或東西，你喜歡，

"Wait, I'm actually -- I'm the White House"?

"等等，我其實--我是白宮"？

-All of the above. -Yeah.

-以上都有-是的

-And, you know, the interesting thing is,

-而且，你知道，有趣的事情是，

is that you don't --

是，你不 -

you literally are moved in while you're being sworn in.

你從字面上看是搬進去了，而你正在宣誓就職。

So you haven't --

所以你沒有...

The Bushes were very gracious.

布什夫婦非常親切。

They had given us a tour, but, you know,

他們帶我們參觀了一下，但是，你知道的。

you're not really paying attention.

你不是真的關注。

It kind of feels like you're in a museum.

有點像在博物館裡的感覺。

Uh...

呃...

You get inaugurated. There are a bunch of balls.

你得到的就職。有一堆的球。

You're shaking hands and schmoozing

握手言歡，打情罵俏，你說呢？

and watching parades.

和觀看遊行。

And then you go home, quote/unquote,

然後你就回家了，引用/不引用。

and suddenly you're in this place where

突然間，你在這個地方

the Gettysburg Address is next to --

葛底斯堡演說的旁邊... ...

in the next room, and...

在隔壁房間，和...

you know, you realize that your life

你知道，你意識到，你的生活

is not going to be the same,

是不會一樣的。

and trying to make sure that you're maintaining perspective.

並試圖確保你保持的觀點。

You know, I discuss a lot in the book...

你知道，我在書中討論了很多... ...

you know, one of the greatest accomplishments, I think,

你知道，最偉大的成就之一，我想。

of my presidency for both Michelle and me

我和米歇爾的總統生涯

was raising two girls in this very strange environment

在這個非常陌生的環境中撫養兩個女孩

and them turning out to be these wonderful,

和他們變成這些美好。

not at all entitled, you know,

不是在所有的權利，你知道的。

kind, thoughtful people. -Yeah.

善良，體貼的人。-是的

-Partly because of my mother-in-law,

-部分原因是我婆婆的緣故。

who, you know, she --

誰，你知道，她 -

we were very lucky to have her come stay with us.

我們很幸運能讓她來和我們一起住。

And, you know, she'd look at the girls

而且，你知道，她會看著女孩們

if they were acting up and she'd say,

如果他們在行動起來，她會說，

"What are you guys doing?" -Yeah.

"你們在做什麼？"-是啊

-"You know you didn't do anything."

-"你知道你什麼都沒做。"

-Good.

-很好

-"You're just here for the ride."

-"你只是來這裡兜風的"

-You need that, yeah. -"Settle down."

-你需要這個，是的-"安頓下來。"

-Yeah, and just grounding them.

-是的，只是讓他們接地。

So...

所以...

And part of the reason I wanted to personalize it was

而我想把它個性化的部分原因是... ...

so that young people who read it,

以便讀到它的年輕人。

who are interested in public service,

對公共服務感興趣的人；

who are interested in government or just changing the world,

誰對政府或只是改變世界感興趣。

they can kind of see, "Okay,

他們可以看到，"好吧。

here's somebody who is kind of normal

這裡的人誰是一種正常的

and was able to do some important stuff.

並能夠做一些重要的事情。

And maybe, I can, too." -Yeah.

也許，我也可以。"-是的

-And hopefully inspires them to get involved.

-並希望能激勵他們參與進來。

-Yeah. You wrote that,

-是啊，是你寫的是的，你寫的

yeah, you want this -- this book is for, like,

是的，你想這 - 這本書是為，喜歡，

young people, in their 20s,

年輕人，20多歲；

and who want to change the world.

以及想要改變世界的人。

I was going to ask you, are you inspired by your own daughters?

我想問你，你的靈感來自於自己的女兒嗎？

-I am.

-我是

You know, they and their friends, you know,

你知道，他們和他們的朋友，你知道。

during this summer after the tragedy of George Floyd

在喬治-弗洛伊德悲劇發生後的這個夏天裡

and the protests and activism,

以及抗議和活動。

you know, they found ways to get involved

你知道，他們想方設法參與

that were very smart and thoughtful and practical.

那是非常聰明和周到實用的。

And they got their friends involved.

他們讓他們的朋友參與進來。

This whole generation of young people coming up

這整整一代的年輕人上來了