>> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY, WE'RE HERE WITH PRESIDENT BARACK

>> 嘿，大家好，我們這裡有巴拉克總統。

OBAMA, DISCUSSING HIS PRESIDENCY AND HIS NEW BOOK, "A PROMISED

奧巴馬，討論他的總統和他的新書《承諾》。

LAND."

土地。"

YOU WRITE ABOUT A TRIP TO EGYPT AND SEEING AN ANCIENT

你寫了一篇關於埃及之行和看到古人的文章。

HIEROGLYPHIC, A PAINTING OR DRAWING ON THE WALL OF A TOMB

墓壁上的繪畫或繪圖

THAT ONE OF YOUR STAFFERS SAYS, BOY, THAT REALLY LOOKS LIKE YOU.

你的一個員工說："夥計，這看起來真的很像你。

YOU SAW IT AND IMAGINED THE LIFE OF THE MAN IN THE ETCHING AND

你看到它，想象著那個人的生活，然後... ...

SAID ALL OF IT IS FORGOT B NOW, NONE OF IT MATTERED, THE

說所有的東西都被遺忘了，現在，沒有一個重要的，。

PHARAOH, SLAVE, VANDAL ALL TURNED TO DUST, JUST LIKE EVERY

法老，奴隸，惡棍都變成了灰燼，就像所有的人一樣。

SPEECH I DELIVERED, LAW I PASSED AND DECISION I MADE WOULD SOON

我發表的演講，我通過的法律，我做出的決定，很快就會實現。

BE FORGOTTEN JUST AS I AND ALL THOSE I LOVE WOULD SOME DAY TURN

就像我和所有我愛的人有一天會被遺忘一樣

TO DUST.

到塵埃。

ARE YOU OKAY?

你沒事吧？

BECAUSE IF I SAW THAT IN THE DIARY OF A 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL, I

因為如果我在一個13歲女孩的日記裡看到這句話，我... ...

WOULD GO, WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU SOME HELP.

會去，我們會給你一些幫助。

>> LOOK, YOU KNOW, I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT THAT IS IN THE

>> 聽著，你知道，我應該指出的是，這是在...

SAME CHAPTER THAT THEN ENDS IN NORMANDY, AND I GUESS PART OF

同樣的一章，然後結束在正常的， 我猜測的一部分。

WHAT THAT CHAPTER IS ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, PART OF HOW TO

這一章的內容是，你知道的，是如何的一部分。

MAINTAIN YOUR STEADY STATE IN THIS HIGH-PRESSURED JOB, FOR ME,

保持你的穩定狀態，在這個高壓的工作，對我來說。

AT LEAST, WAS TO TAKE THE LONG VIEW AND TO REMIND YOURSELF,

至少，是要從長計議，提醒自己。

LOOK, THERE ARE GOING TO BE UPS AND DOWNS, THERE ARE POLL

聽著，會有起起伏伏，會有民調。

NUMBERS, SOMEBODY IS AGGRAVATING YOU, YOU LOST A VOTE ON THIS,

號碼，有人是AGGRAVATING你， 你失去了對這個投票。

THAT OR THE OTHER, AND JUST REMINDING YOURSELVES THAT, IN

那或其他的，只是提醒你自己，在。

THE SWEEP OF HISTORY, THIS IS NOT TRAGIC, WHAT'S HAPPENING

歷史的浪潮，這不是傳奇，發生了什麼？

RIGHT NOW.

現在。

THERE ARE BIGGER THINGS THAT MATTER.

還有更重要的事情。

BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IT

但你要記住，你知道，事實是，它是...

ALL TURNS TO DUST, WITH THIS OTHER POINT OF VIEW, WHICH IS,

所有的一切都化為塵埃，與這另一個觀點，這是：

WITHIN THE TIME FRAME OF HUMAN HISTORY THAT AT LEAST WE CAN

在人類歷史的時間框架內，至少我們可以做到：

COMPREHEND, ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING DOES MATTER, AND YOU HAVE

明白了，其實你做的事情很重要，你要

TO KIND OF MAINTAIN THOSE TWO IDEAS AT THE SAME TIME.

要想在同一時間保持這兩個想法。

IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING EVERY

如果你能理解你每天所做的事情的魔力，那麼你就會發現，你在做什麼？

SINGLE MOMENT, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE PARALYZED.

一會兒，你就會癱瘓。

SO OCCASIONALLY, YOU HAVE TO PULL BACK AND SAY, LOOK, YOU DO

所以偶爾，你必須回過頭來，說，看，你做的。

YOUR BEST AND YOU WILL BE OKAY.

你最好的，你會沒事的。

BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO SAY, MAN, THIS COUNTS, YOU KNOW,

但你還得說，夥計，這算什麼，你知道的。

PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE SAVED, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET

人們的生命被拯救了，有人會得到的

HEALTHCARE, SOME CHILD'S GOING TO GET EDUCATION.

衛生保健，有些孩子要接受教育。

YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAKE THIS STEP INSTEAD OF THAT STEP, MAYBE, YOU

你知道，如果你做了這一步，而不是那一步，也許，你就會...

KNOW, THIS COUNTRY DOESN'T DESCEND INTO CONFLICT AND CIVIL

知道嗎，這個國家不會墮入衝突和公民。

WAR, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE MISTAKES, THERE ARE GOING TO BE

戰爭中，你會犯錯誤，會有...

UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, YOU HAVE TO TRY ANYWAY.

意外的後果，你必須嘗試任何方式。

>> Stephen: WHEN YOU BECAME PRESIDENT, HOW QUICK DID YOU

>> Stephen:當你成為主席時，你如何迅速地...

LOOK BACK AT SENATOR BARACK OBAMA AND SAY THAT GUY DOESN'T

回頭看看奧巴馬參議員，並說這傢伙沒有。

KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, THAT GUY NEEDS A TALKING TO?

你知道他在說什麼嗎？ 他需要人陪他說話？

>> YEAH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE YOU, PARTICULARLY

>> 是的，有好幾次你，特別是...

AROUND COUNTERTERRORISM ISSUES, WHERE I THINK IT IS DIFFERENT

圍繞著反恐怖主義問題，我認為它在哪裡是不同的。

WHEN YOU'RE ON THE SIDELINES THAN WHEN YOU ARE IN THE SEAT

當你在側線時比你在座位上時更有優勢

AND YOU ARE SEEING COMING THROUGH THE TRANSOM JUST A

而你看到的是通過Transform的只是一個。

SERIES OF CLEAR, ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE INDICATING THAT

一系列明確的、可操作的情報表明：

SOME ATTACK MIGHT BE TAKING PLACE, AND YOUR OVERRIDING

一些攻擊可能正在進行，而你的首要的

CONCERN ABOUT MAKING SURE THE COUNTRY IS SAFE, HOW YOU BALANCE

擔心確保國家安全，你如何平衡？

THAT CONCERN WITH CIVIL LIBERTIES ISSUES, WITH THEY

公民自由問題的關切，與他們的關係。

CANNING SURE THAT YOU ARE -- WITH MAKING SURE THAT YOU ARE

確保你是 -- -- 與確保你是...

FOLLOWING THE LAW, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS FOR ME THAT WERE

按照法律規定，對我來說，有些事情是可以做到的。

CLEAR, BRIGHT-LINE RULES, WE DON'T TORTURE, WE DON'T

清晰明瞭的規則，我們不虐待，我們不。

INDEFINITELY HOLD PEOPLE, BUT THERE WERE OTHER ISSUES WHERE,

毫無疑問，持有的人，但有其他問題，其中：

AS A SENATOR, MY ATTITUDE WAS, YOU KNOW, VERY HARD-NOSED, YOU

作為一個參議員，我的態度是，你知道，非常頑固的，你...

KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT

知道，我們不應該做這個， 我們不應該做那個。

AND THEN, WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, YOU'RE THINKING,

然後，當你身處其中時，你就會想：

OKAY, BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT THIS PERSON TO BLOW UP A SUBWAY,

好吧，但我真的不希望這個人炸掉一個地鐵。

HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT.

我們該如何處理。

>> Stephen: WOULD YOU PUT THE DRONE PROGRAM INTO THE THING

>> 史蒂芬：你會把無人機程序放進這個東西里嗎？

THAT YOUR SENATOR BARACK OBAMA DID NOT UNDERSTAND AS WELL AS

你的參議員巴拉克-奧巴馬沒有理解以及。

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING YOU GOT A LOT

奧巴馬總統，因為那是你經常得到的東西

OF CRITICISM OVER.

的責備意見》。

>> THE DRONE PROGRAM I DEAL MORE IN THE SECOND VOLUME BECAUSE

>> 無人機計劃 我在第二卷中涉及更多的內容，因為...。

WHAT I ACTUALLY DISCOVERED WAS THAT THE CONCERNS WERE BOTH

我實際發現的是，這些問題都是...。

LEGITIMATE BUT NOT ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD.

合法，但並不總是被理解。

THE PROBLEM WITH THE DRONE PROGRAM WAS NOT THAT IT CAUSED

無人機計劃的問題並不是因為它造成了。

AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF CIVILIAN CASUALTIES, ALTHOUGH EVEN ONE

平民傷亡人數過高，儘管只有一個人

CIVILIAN CASUALTY IS TRAGIC, BUT IT ACTUALLY, THE DRONES PROBABLY

文人的生活方式是悲劇性的，但實際上，無人機可能是

HAD LESS COLLATERAL DAMAGE, WHICH IS THE ANTISEPTIC WAY OF

有較少的膠體損傷，這是防腐的方法。

SAYING IT KILLED PEOPLE WHO WERE INNOCENT AND NOT JUST TARGETS,

說它殺死的人誰是無辜的，而不僅僅是目標。

PROBABLY HAD FEWER -- LESS COLLATERAL DAMAGE THAN IF YOU

SEND IN TROOPS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND YOU'RE IN A FIREFIGHT, OR YOU'RE

比如說，派軍隊來，你就會陷入火拼，或者你是

DROPPING ORDINATES USING CONVENTIONAL PILOTS.

使用常規飛行器投擲訂單。

THE PROBLEM IS IT STARTS GIVING YOU THE ILLUSION THAT IT'S NOT

問題是，它開始給你的錯覺，它不是。

WAR.

戰。

>> Stephen: THE DISTANCE MAKES IT STERILE.

>> 斯蒂芬：距離讓它變得更穩定。

>> YES, AND WHAT I DISCOVERED, AND I WRITE ABOUT THIS IN THE

>> 是的，我發現了什麼，我在這篇文章中寫到了。

SECOND VOLUME, THE MACHINERY OF IT STARTED BECOMING TOO EASY,

第二卷，它的機械開始變得太容易了。

AND I HAD TO ACTUALLY IMPOSE INTERNALLY A SUBSTANTIAL SET OF

我不得不在內部強加了一套非常重要的東西。

REFORMS IN THE PROCESS TO STEP BACK AND REFINEDMIND EVERYONE

改革過程中退一步，精簡大家的思想。

IN-- AND REMIND EVERYONE INVOLVED THIS ISN'T TARGET

在... 並提醒所有參與的人，這不是目標

PRACTICE.

實踐。

EACH TIME WE MAKE THIS DECISION, WE ARE ENGAGED IN THE MOST

每一次我們做出這個決定，我們都在從事最重要的事情。

PROFOUND ACT THAT ANY GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW,

任何政府都可以採取的高明之舉，這就是，你知道的。

USING LETHAL FORCE AGAINST PEOPLE, AND THERE HAVE TO BE

對人民使用致命武力，必須要有足夠的證據。

BETTER CHECKS AND BALANCES IN DOING IT.

在做這件事時要有更好的檢查和平衡。

>> Stephen: YOU HAVE A FAMOUSLY UNLEAKY WHITE HOUSE, NO

>> Stephen:你有一個著名的不透明的白房子，沒有。

DRAMA OBAMA AND NO LEAKS IN THIS WHITE HOUSE.

戲劇性的奧巴馬和沒有洩漏在這個白宮。

I'VE SPOKEN TO FORMER STAFF MEMBERS OF YOURS WHO SAID THERE

我曾和你的前員工談過，他們說...

WERE HEATED DEBATES OVER THE USE OF THE DRONES.

就無人機的使用問題進行了激烈的辯論。

>> YEAH.

>> 是的。

>> Stephen: AND I SAID, HOW COME WE DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THIS?

>> 我說，我們怎麼沒聽說過這個？

LIKE, FOR THOSE OUT HERE WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS USE OF

就像，對於那些在這裡誰不明白這個使用的

EXECUTIVE POWER -- >> RIGHT.

行政權力 -- >> 右邊。

>> Stephen: -- A LITTLE LEAK ON THOSE HEATED DEBATES WOULD

>> 斯蒂芬： -- -- 對這些激烈的辯論稍作透露，就會有更多的人知道。

HAVE HELPFUL FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE THINKING THAT

有利於我們理解以下的想法：

WENT INTO THIS.

進入這個。

>> THAT'S PART OF WHAT I MEAN ABOUT THE IMBALANCE WHERE SO

>> 這就是我說的不平衡的部分原因。

MUCH OF FOREIGN POLICY AND MILITARY POLICY IS NOW ENTIRELY

大部分的外交政策和軍事政策現在已經是耳熟能詳的了。

HOUSED IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, THAT CONGRESS GENERALLY IS --

住在行政部門，國會一般是... ...

AND THIS IS TRUE FOR BOTH SIDES --

而這對雙方來說都是真實的 -- --

>> Stephen: YOU MEAN BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL AISLE?

>> 史蒂芬：你是說政治通道兩邊？

>> BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL AYE AISLE, THERE'S A TENDENCY

>> 兩邊的政界Aye Aisle，有一種傾向。

AMONG MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO SAY WE'LL LET THE PRESIDENT MAKE A

國會成員表示，我們將讓總統做出一個。

FOREIGN POLICY DECISION AND WE'LL SEE DID IT WORK OR NOT AND

外交政策的決定，我們將看看它是否有效，以及。

WEIGH IN BASED ON HOW ITS -- >> Stephen: WE'LL KEEP OUR

權衡根據如何 -- >> Stephen:我們將保持我們的

POWDER DREW BUT NOT AGAINST OUR ENEMY, MAYBE OUR POLITICAL

粉木，但不是針對我們的敵人，可能是我們的政治。

ENEMIES.

敵人：

>> YEAH.

>> 是的。

AND SOME OF THIS IS INEVITABLE.

有些是不可避免的。

IT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF THESE TERRORIST NETWORKS IS THAT

這些恐怖網絡的挑戰之一是：...

THEY HAVE -- BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT STATE ACTORS, YOU DON'T KNOW --

他們有 -- 因為他們不是國家演員，你不知道 --

YOU DON'T HAVE A CLEAR VICTORY, YOU DON'T HAVE McARTHUR AND AN

你沒有明確的勝利，你就沒有麥卡圖和一個人。

ARMISTICE.

ARMISTICE.

SO YOU HAD THE ENTIRE APPARATUS OF SECURITY THAT'S GROWN UP THAT

所以，你有完整的安全系統，已經長大了，

IS SOMEWHAT PERPETUAL, AND I THINK ONE OF THE BIG JOBS I HAD

是有些不道德的，我想我的一個大工作是：

WAS TO TRY TO, FIRST OF ALL, NOT MKE THAT THE END-ALL AND BE-ALL

首先，我們要做的是，不要讓它成為最終的全部，也不要讓它成為全部。

OF OUR FOREIGN POLICY, TO TRY TO CREATE LEGAL STRUCTURES AROUND

試圖圍繞我們的外交政策建立法律結構。

IT, AND I THINK THAT I WAS SUCCESSFUL IN A LOT OF RESPECTS,

我覺得我在很多方面都很成功。

BUT THERE ARE SOME AREAS, LIKE CLOSING GUANTANAMO, THAT I

但也有一些領域，比如關閉關塔那摩，我... ...

COULDN'T GET IT DONE.

無法得到它的完成。

>> Stephen: IT WAS MOVES IN PLACE THAT COULDN'T BE UNDONE?

>> 史蒂芬：這是不能撤銷的地方的動作？

>> I WAS SURPRISED AS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF I COULD NOT

>> 我很驚訝，作為總司令，我不能。

SHUT DOWN A FACILITY THAT WAS BOTH UNNECESSARY AND, IN MY

關閉一個不必要的設施，而且，在我看來

VIEW, CONTRARY TO OUR LEGAL TRADITIONS.

觀點，與我們的法律傳統相悖。

>> Stephen: DID YOU EVER ASK FOR INFORMATION AND THEY SAID WE

>> 史蒂芬: 你有沒有問過他們的資訊，他們卻說我們沒有。

CAN'T TELL YOU?

不能告訴你？

>> NO, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE WERE TIMES WHEN I ASKED

>> 沒有，但我會告訴你，有幾次，我問過

FOR INFORMATION AND IT CAME SLOWER THAN I WANTED.

我想了解一下情況，但結果卻比我想的要慢。

>> Stephen: WHEN YOU SAY, GET ME THE DECLARATION OF

>> 當你說，把宣言給我的時候

INDEPENDENCE, LEMON JUICE AND A BLOW DRYER AND WE'RE GOING TO

獨立，檸檬汁和吹風機，我們要去。

NICOLAS CAGE THIS BOY AND FIND A TREASURE MAP ON THE BACK.

尼科拉斯把這個男孩關起來，然後在後面找到一張藏寶圖。

>> THERE ARE TIMES WHEN PRYING INFORMATION OUT OF THE BOWELS

>> 有些時候，從腸子裡擠出資訊的時候

OVERAN AGENCY CAN BE CHALLENGING.

OVERAN AGENCY可以是充滿挑戰的。

>> Stephen: U.F.O.s DID YOU ASK ABOUT THAT?

>> Stephen:你問過U. F. O. S.

>> CERTAINLY ASKED ABOUT IT.

>> 肯定是問過了。

CAN'T TELL YOU ABOUT IT.

我不能告訴你。

>> Stephen: IF YOU WOULD SAY THERE ARE NONE, THERE ARE NONE.

>> Stephen:如果你想說沒有，那就沒有。

YOU JUST 100% SHOWED YOUR CARDS.

你剛剛百分百展示了你的卡片。

>> FEEL FREE TO THINK THAT.

>> 盡情地想吧。

>> Stephen: I DO.

>> Stephen:我做的。

IT MAKES ME HAPPY TO THINK YOU WON'T TELL ME ABOUT U.F.O.s.

想到你不會告訴我U.F.O.s的事，我就很高興。

>> CAN I SAY IT USED TO BE U.F.O.s, ROZ ROSWELL WAS THE

>> 我可以說它曾經是U.F.O.s，ROZ ROSWELL是的。

BIGGEST CONSPIRACY, AND NOW THAT'S TAME TO THINK THE

最大的陰謀，而現在，這是對TAME的思考。

GOVERNMENT MIGHT HAVE AN ALIEN SPACE SHIP.

政府可能有外星人的飛船。

>> Stephen: NOW THE BIGGEST CONSPIRACY IS PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN

>> 史蒂芬: 現在最大的陰謀是密歇根州的人。

VOTE.

投票：

TAKING A BREAK.

休息一下。

BACK WITH MORE OF PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.

返回與更多的總統巴拉克・奧巴馬。