WE'RE BACK WITH THE AUTHOR OF "A PROMISED LAND," PRESIDENT BARACK

我們將與《有前途的土地》的作者巴拉克總統再次見面

OBAMA.

奧巴馬：

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF PEOPLE WHO SAY IT WOULD BE GOOD IF

你怎麼看那些說 "如果 "會好的人？

REPUBLICAN HELD THE SENATE BECAUSE DEMOCRATS WILL GO TOO

共和黨奪得參議院，因為民主黨也會去。

FAR IF THEY CONTROL EVERYTHING.

如果他們控制了所有的事情。

>> I EXPERIENCED DIVIDED GOVERNMENT AND I WILL TELL YOU

>> 我經歷過分裂政府，我會告訴你。

THAT GRIDLOCK AND DYSFUNCTION IS A RECIPE FOR NOT ONLY NOT

網鎖和功能障礙是一個食譜，不僅是不

SOLVING BIG PROBLEMS BUT ALSO GROWING CYNICISM AMONG THE

解決大的問題，但也增加了人們的依賴性。

ELECTORATE THAT FURTHER POLARIZES FOLKS.

選舉，進一步極化民。

>> Stephen: WHY WEREN'T YOU NICER TO MITCH McCONNELL?

>> Stephen:你為什麼不對米奇-麥克康奈爾好一點？

WHY WEREN'T YOU NICER TO HIM?

你為什麼不對他好一點？

>> LET ME TELL YOU, OF ALL THE ARGUMENTS MADE DURING MY

>> 讓我告訴你，在我的所有論點中，在我...

PRESIDENCY, THE NOTION THAT MY BIG PROBLEM WAS NOT SCHMOOZING

總統，我的大問題不是吸食大麻的觀點

MITCH McCONNELL ENOUGH WAS MORE OF THE MORE FRUSTRATING

MITCH McCONNELL ENOUGH WAS MORE OF THE MORE FRUSTERATING（更多的）。

ONES I HEARD BUT WAS ENTIRELY ACCEPTED.

我聽到的，但被完全接受。

IT'S STILL CONVENTIONAL WISDOM TO THIS DAY IN PARTS OF

它仍然是約定俗成的智慧，直到今天在部分地區。

WASHINGTON.

華盛頓：

MITCH McCONNELL UNDERSTOOD, AND I WRITE ABOUT THIS

MITCH McCONNELL明白了，我也寫下了這篇文章

EXTENSIVELY, THAT, IF YOU THROW SAND IN THE GEARS AND STUFF

如果你把沙子扔進齒輪和東西里，就會有很大的影響。

DOESN'T WORK, THE AVERAGE VOTER DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHY IT'S NOT

不起作用，一般投票者並不知道為什麼不起作用。

WORKING, THEY DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN CHARGE, THEY DON'T KNOW THE

在工作中，他們不知道誰在負責，他們不知道誰在工作。

DETAILS OF SENATE PROCEDURE, WHAT THEY DO UNDERSTAND IS THE

參議院程序的細節，他們所瞭解的是什麼？

PRESIDENT'S IN CHARGE, AND WE'RE STILL SEEING THE SAME ARGUMENTS

總統當政了，我們還是看到同樣的論點

THAT WE USED TO SEE.

我們曾經見過的。

SO THAT'S GOOD FOR THE OPPOSITION PARTY.

所以這對反對黨來說是好事。

>> Stephen: IF I ONLY HAD ONE QUESTION TO ASK YOU RIGHT NOW,

>> 斯蒂芬：如果我現在只有一個問題要問你。

IT WOULD BE, WHAT HAPPENS NOW?

它會是，現在發生了什麼？

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS NOW?

現在到底發生了什麼？

>> YEAH.

>> 是的。

>> Stephen: WHEN YOU HAVE HALF OR 70% OF THE REPUBLICANS OR

>> 斯蒂芬：當你有一半或70%的共和黨人或。

MAYBE ABOUT 40% OF THE PUBLIC THINK THAT JOE BIDEN WON BY

也許有40%的公眾認為喬-比登勝出了。

CHEATING?

CHEATING?

HOW DOES HE REACH THOSE PEOPLE?

他如何接觸這些人？

>> WELL, LOOK, I THINK HE'S IN A GOOD POSITION TO MAKE THE

>> 聽著，我覺得他現在的位置很好，可以讓他成為一個有能力的人。

EFFORT.

努力：

THE FACT THAT HE WON IS INDICATIVE OF THE MESSAGE HE

他不願意的事實表明了他的資訊。

SENT OF WANTING TO UNIFY THE COUNTRY.

發出的想要統一全國。

I DO THINK PEOPLE ARE EXHAUSTED BY JUST THIS, YOU KNOW, -- YOU

我想人們都是通過這一點，你知道， - 你

KNOW, WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION, CONSTANT CAGE MATCH,

知道，世界摔跤聯合會，常年籠絡比賽。

AND PEOPLE JUST WANT TO FEEL AS IF A DAY PASSES WITHOUT IT BEING

而人們只是想感覺好像一天都沒有發生過一樣

DOMINATED BY SOMETHING CRAZY COMING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE OR

被白宮的瘋狂之舉所支配，或

WASHINGTON.

華盛頓：

>> Stephen: DON'T GET ME WRONG.

>> Stephen:不要誤解我的意思。

YOU ARE A GREAT PRESIDENT AND PEOPLE ACCUSED YOU OF BEING A

你是一個偉大的總統，而人們指責你是一個。

CELEBRITY.

CELEBRITY。

THERE WERE DAYS I DID NOT THINK ABOUT YOU.

有的時候，我沒有想到你。

>> YOU DID NOT THINK ABOUT ME.

>> 你沒有想到我。

AND I THINK JOE WILL GET BACK TO THAT.

我想喬會回到那個問題上的。

I THINK HE WILL HAVE SOME SUCCESS IN BUILDING BACK SOCIAL

我想他會在建立社會關係方面取得一些成功。

TRUST BECAUSE HE IS NATURALLY SOMEONE WHO IS EMPATHETIC AND

信任，因為他天生就是一個有同情心的人，而且他是一個有愛心的人。

CARES ABOUT PEOPLE.

關心人。

BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LARGER CHALLENGE IN

但我認為，我們將面臨更大的挑戰，在

FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS SPLINTERED MEDIA LANDSCAPE.

思考如何處理這種分散的媒體景觀。

I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH,

我已經說過了，但我不能強調這一點。

WHEN YOU AND I WERE GROWING UP, YOU HAD WALTER CRONKITE, DAVID

當你和我長大的時候，你有沃爾特-克朗凱特，戴維...

BRINKLEY, JOHN CHANCELLOR.

布林克利，約翰・錢克勒。

IT WASN'IT WASN'T SCINTILLATING TELEVISION, BUT WHETHER YOU WERE

它不是閃爍的電視，但你是否是

A CONSERVATIVE OR LIBERAL, YOU GOT YOUR NEWS FROM THE SAME

保守派還是自由派，你的新聞都是從同一個地方得到的。

PLACE, SO YOU HAD SOME COMMON BASELINE OF FACTS, AND NOW YOU

地方，所以你有一些共同的基線的事實，現在你。

DON'T.

不要。

AND HOW YOU CHANGE THAT FORMULA, WITH THE INTERNET AND 5,000

以及你如何利用互聯網和5,000名員工來改變這個公式。

CABLE STATIONS AND THE DEATH OF SMALLTOWN NEWSPAPERS AND EVEN

有線電視臺與小城鎮報刊的消亡，甚至是

LOCAL TV NOW BEING BOUGHT OUT BY SINCLAIR SO THAT THEY'RE NOW

地方電視臺現在被辛克萊收購了，所以他們現在是。

PUMPING OUT SORT OF A MORE UNIFORM IDEOLOGICAL LINE ON

灌輸出某種更統一的思想路線

EVERYTHING, THAT MAKES THINGS MORE DIFFICULT, AND I THINK THAT

所有的事情都會讓事情變得更加困難，我認為這一點

JOE'S PRESIDENCY WILL HELP LOWER THE TEMPERATURE, BUT THE

喬伊的總統任期將有助於降低溫度，但... ...

UNDERLYING CHALLENGE OF US GETTING BACK TO THE POINT WHERE

我們回到原點的根本挑戰是什麼？

WE CAN AT LEAST AGREE THAT, LET'S SAY JOE BIDEN GOT MORE

我們至少可以一致認為，讓我們說喬-比登得到了更多。

VOTES, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S -- WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT WHY, WHETHER HE

投票，你知道，如果這是 - 我們可以爭論為什麼，他是否

DESERVED TO GET MORE VOTES, ET CETERA, BUT HE GOT MORE

應該得到更多的選票，ETCETERA，但他得到更多的選票

VOTES.

投票：

>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THIS ARGUMENT, YOU SAY JOE BIDEN

>> Stephen:你怎麼看這個論點，你說喬-比登。

GOT MORE VOTES.

得到了更多的選票。

>> YEAH.

>> 是的。

>> Stephen: HOW COULD HE HAVE GOTTEN MORE VOTES IF THE

>> Stephen:他怎麼可能獲得更多的選票，如果他的選票是

PRESIDENT WON?

主席贏了？

HE WON, SO THE OTHER GUY GETTING MORE VOTES FEELS FISHY, DOESN'T

他贏了，所以另一個人得到更多的選票，感覺很魚，不是嗎？

IT?

IT？

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW OTHER

當你這樣看的時候，你就必須明白其他的人是怎麼做的。

PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT IT.

人們都在看它。

GET OUTSIDE YOUR BUBBLE, SIR.

擺脫你的氣泡，先生。

THINK ABOUT HOW SOMEBODY ELSE IS LOOKING AT IT.

想想別人是如何看待它的。

HE WON SO WHY ARE THERE SO MANY VOTES ON THE OTHER SIDE?

他不會的，那為什麼另一邊有這麼多票？

>> SOMETHING'S WRONG.

>> 出了點問題。

>> Stephen: THANK YOU.

>> Stephen:謝謝你。

ON BEHALF OF SO MANY AMERICANS, I ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGY.

我代表這麼多美國人，接受你的道歉。

>> I WAS TALKING TO FRIEND OF MINE ABOUT THIS AND I WAS TRYING

>> 我和我的朋友談起這個，我正試圖...

TO USE A SIMPLE ANALOGY THAT I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS,

用一個我認為大家都能理解的簡單的比喻。

WHAT'S SOMETHING WE STILL HAVE IN COMMON, AND DESPITE

什麼是我們仍然有共同點，儘管...

CONTROVERSIES AROUND C.T., ET CETERA, PEOPLE STILT WATCH

圍繞著C.T.的爭議，ETETERA，人們仍在觀望。

FOOTBALL.

足球。

SO YOU IMAGINE THE SUPER BOWL AND, YOU KNOW, THE GAME'S GOING

所以你想象一下超級碗，然後，你知道，比賽要開始了。

ON AND TOUCHDOWNs ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORTH SIX POINTS WITH THE

ON和TOUCHDOWNs被認為是價值6分，有了它，我們就可以用它來衡量。

EXTRA POINT, UNLESS YOU GO FOR TWO, AND FIELD GOALS ARE WORTH

加分，除非你去了兩個，而球場得分是值得的。

THREE POINTS, AND YOU'RE KEEPING SCORE THE WHOLE TIME, AND THERE

三分，你一直在保持得分，而且有。

ARE REFS, AND AT THE END OF THE GAME A TEAM'S WON AND SOMEBODY

是裁判，而在比賽結束時，一個團隊的勝利和一些人。

SAYS, NO!

說，不！

FIELD GOALS AREN'T WORTH ETHREE, OR THAT WASN'T REALLY A

球場進球不值三分，或者說那不是真正的進球

TOUCHDOWN.

TOUCHDOWN。

>> Stephen: HUGO CHAVEZ KEPT BLOCKING THE FIELD GOAL FROM THE

>> 斯蒂芬：胡戈-查韋斯一直在阻擋著場上的球門。

GRAVE!

墳墓！

>> WE'VE ALL BEEN WATCHING, AND I GUESS, IF YOU HAD -- THE OTHER

>> 我們都在看，我想，如果你有 --

PEOPLE JUST REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT AND YOU HAD HALF

人們只是拒絕承認這一點，你有一半的

THE LEAGUE SAY WE'RE NOT SURE IT'S TRUE, YOU WOULD HAVE A

聯盟說，我們不確定這是真的，你會有一個。

SIMILAR CONTROVERSY, BUT WHEN THAT STARTS HAPPENING, THE GAME

類似的爭議，但當該明星發生時，該遊戲

BREAKS DOWN AND IN THIS CASE IT'S OUR DEMOCRACY, OUR

崩潰了，在這種情況下，它是我們的民主，我們的。

DEMOCRACY STARTS FALLING APART.

民主制度開始分崩離析。

IMAGINE IF, GOING FORWARD, EVERY SINGLE ELECTION IS TREATED THIS

想象一下，如果今後的每一次選舉都這樣處理的話

WAY AT EVERY LEVEL, IMAGINE IF DEMOCRATS START ACTING THIS

在各個層面，想象一下，如果民主黨人開始這樣做。

WAY -- >> Stephen: IS THAT PART OF

WAY -- >> Stephen:是那部分

THE DANGER THAT HE'S BROKEN THE SEAL ON THAT IDEA.

危險的是，他已經打破了這個想法的封印。

>> THAT IS THE CONCERN THAT I THINK WE ALL HAVE.

>> 這就是我想我們都有的顧慮。

JOE BIDEN'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT, KAMALA HARRIS IS

喬-比登將成為下屆總統，卡馬拉-哈里斯將成為下屆總統。

GOING TO BE THE NEXT VICE PRESIDENT, BUT WE DON'T

將成為下一任副總統，但我們不

WANT TO GET INTO A PATTERN WHERE WE JUST ARE WILLING TO THROW OUT

想進入一個模式，我們只是願意扔掉。

WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO PREVIOUSLY, INCLUDING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL

我們之前達成的協議，包括我們的憲法。

STRUCTURE, JUST BECAUSE WE FIND IT POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT.

架構，只是因為我們覺得它在政治上是快捷的。

>> Stephen: A LOT OF PRESIDENTS, ONCE THEY LEAVE

>> 斯蒂芬：很多總統，一旦離開

OFFICE, BECOMES FRIENDS OR ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER

辦公室，結為朋友或熟悉對方的人。

PRESIDENT.

主席：

THEY LAY DOWN THEIR SWORD AND SHIELD A LITTLE BIT.

他們放下刀劍，稍作防護。

YOU'VE PLAYED GOLF WITH PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH AND

你和布什總統打過高爾夫，還有... ...

BILL CLINTON.

比爾-克林頓：

DO YOU HAVE A TEE TIME WITH THE CURRENT PRESIDENT YET?

你有和現任總統打過招呼嗎？

>> I DO NOT.

>> 我不。

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, HE'S A PRETTY GOOD GOLFER.

據我所知，他是一個相當不錯的高爾夫球手。

>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT.

>> Stephen:好吧。

I UNDERSTAND, SHOCKINGLY ENOUGH, THERE ARE SOMETIMES

我明白，令人震驚的是，有的時候... ...

PROBLEMS WITH THE SCORING, AND WHETHER HE'S KEEPING TRACK OF

計分的問題，以及他是否掌握了。

HIS STROKES.

他的傷痕。

>> Stephen: THAT'S HUGO CHAVEZ AGAIN.

>> Stephen:又是胡戈-查韋斯。

THAT'S HIS CADDY.

這是他的卡迪。

>> IT'S SURPRISING.

>> 令人驚訝的是。

>> Stephen: I LOVE THE PLANS OF THE OBAMA LIBRARY ON THE

>> 斯蒂芬：我喜歡奧巴馬圖書館的計劃，在上。

SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO.

在芝加哥的南邊。

IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

它是美麗的。

LOOKS LIKE STAR FLIGHT HEADQUARTERS LANDED THERE.

看起來像星際飛行總部降落在那裡。

YOU HAVE A MUSEUM, GYM WHERE YOU CAN PLAY BASKETBALL, BUMPER

你有一個博物館，健身房，可以打籃球，踢球... ...

CARS, WATER SLIDE, WHAT ELSE.

汽車，水滑，什麼的。

>> THE BUMPER CARS, NO.

>> 簸箕車，NO.

>> Stephen: YOU COULDN'T FUND THAT?

>> Stephen:你不能資助？

>> NO, UNLESS YOU WANT TO CONFUSE THAT.

>> 不，除非你想混淆視聽。

STEPHEN COLBERT MEMORIAL BUMPER CARS.

斯蒂芬-科爾伯特紀念BUMPER CARS。

>> Stephen: SOMEBODY PRICE IT AND I'LL THINK ABOUT IT.

>> 有人給它定價，我會考慮的。

>> THIS COULD END UP BEING NOT JUST -- THE GOAL IS NOT JUST

>> 這最終可能會成為不公正的 -- 目標是不公正的。

HAVE SOME MAUSOLEUM TO ME.

給我來點繆斯勒姆。

IT'S RATHER TO CREATE A LIVING DYNAMIC CENTER AROUND WHICH

更重要的是要創造一個充滿活力的中心，在這個中心的周圍

YOUNG PEOPLE CAN GET INSPIRED AND EVEN TRY THEIR HAND AT AND

年輕人可以獲得靈感，甚至可以嘗試自己的手藝，並能得到啟發。

LEARN ABOUT HOW THEIR VOICES CAN BRING ABOUT CHANGE.

瞭解他們的聲音如何帶來變化。

>> Stephen: ONE OF THE DETAILS I LIKE IS THIS IS GOING TO BE

>> 史蒂芬: 我喜歡的一個細節是，這將是一個很好的機會。

THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY THAT'S ALL DIGITAL.

第一個全數字化的總統圖書館。

THERE'S NO PAPER.

沒有紙。

IS THAT BECAUSE AFTER THIS BOOK THERE IS NO PAPER LEFT?

是因為這本書之後就沒有紙了嗎？

>> THAT'S IT.

>> 就是這樣。

>> Stephen: IS THIS WHY THERE WAS A PAPER SHORTAGE IN THE

>> Stephen:這就是為什麼會出現紙張短缺的原因嗎？

SPRING?

春天？

DID ALL THE TOILET PAPER FETE REROUTED AND RE-PULPED INTO THIS

所有的紙巾費都被改道，重新拉到了這裡。

THING?

東西？

A LOT OF PAGES, 740 PAGES.

很多頁，740頁。

>> 701, THE ACTUAL STUFF TO READ.

>> 701，真正要讀的東西。

>> Stephen: INDEX IS THERE AND I'M NOT IN IT.

>> 斯蒂芬：索引在那裡，我不在裡面。

748 PAGES AND I DON'T EVEN GET MENTIONED IN HERE.

748頁，我甚至沒有得到提及在這裡。

WE DID A BUNCH OF STUFF TOGETHER.

我們一起做了很多事情。

>> VOLUME TWO.

>> 第二卷。

>> Stephen: OKAY, GOOD.

>> Stephen:好的，好的。

A LOT OF SIMILAR STORIES BETWEEN THESE TWO.

這兩部作品之間有很多相似的故事。

A LITTLE CROSSOVER IN THINGS LIKE THIS.

在這樣的事情中，一個小的crosSOVER。

>> YES.

>> 是。

>> Stephen: IN HER BOOK, MEETING AND YOUR COURTSHIP TO

>> Stephen:在她的書中，會見和你的法庭，到

YOUR ENGAGEMENT, 63 PAGES.

你的參與，63頁。

THREE PAGES.

三頁：

THREE PAGES!

三頁！

>> ARE YOU TRYING TO GET ME IN TROUBLE?

>> 你是想讓我陷入困境嗎？

>> Stephen: I'M JUST SURPRISED YOUR EDITOR DIDN'T STOP YOU FROM

>> Stephen:我只是驚訝於你的編輯沒有阻止你的...

GETTING IN TROUBLE.

陷入困境。

>> NUMBER ONE, I'M NOT GOING TO CHALLENGE HER VERSION TO HAVE

>> 第一，我不會去挑戰她的版本，有

THE EVENTS.

事件：

SO SHE'S DONE IT, THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENED.

所以她做了，這就是它的發生。

>> Stephen: YEAH.

>> Stephen:是的。

ECONDLY, IN MY SECOND BOOK, I TALK ABOUT MEETING HER,

其次，在我的第二本書中，我談到了與她的見面。

ALREADY.

已經。

SO I'VE SPREAD THE STORY OF OUR MEETING OVER THREE BOOKS AND SHE

所以我把我們見面的故事寫了三本書，而她...

JUST CONDENSED IT ALL INTO ONE.

只是把它濃縮成一個。

>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER BREAK, SIR, BUT STICK

>> 我們必須再休息一下，先生，但要堅持下去。

AROUND.

圍繞著。

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MICHELLE OBAMA'S HUSBAND.

我們馬上回來與米歇爾・奧巴馬的丈夫。

♪ AT LAST ♪ ♪ MY LOVE HAS COME ALONG ♪

"最後，我的愛來了

♪ MY LONELY DAYS ARE OVER ♪

"我的寂寞日子結束了