Until the last couple weeks, we really weren't thinking about him much.

直到上幾周，我們才真正想起他。

And if you dug into the numbers that maybe he's not, actually, maybe his reputation and the way we feel about him really outstrips his performance.

如果你深入研究這些數字，也許他不是，其實，也許他的名聲和我們對他的感覺真的超過了他的表現。

Uh huh.

嗯哼。

This is the second consecutive week where you look at him and go.

這已經是連續第二週，你看著他就走。

How do you play quarterback?

你怎麼打四分衛？

Better than that, That's is, this is well, as you can play the position.

比這更好的是，這是，這是很好的，因為你可以玩的位置。

And when a guy like that Shawn Watson, who you know because lots of guys give you that feeling.

而當一個像肖恩-沃森這樣的人，你知道，因為很多人都給你這種感覺。

I want him with the game on the line, right?

我想讓他在比賽中出場，對嗎？

But when a guy like that who gives you that feeling with his pedigree starts to put together games like he's put together, especially for a bad team, especially for for a team that took a step in the wrong direction and had to get rid of the guy responsible.

但是，當這樣一個用他的血統給你這種感覺的傢伙開始像他一樣把比賽放在一起的時候，特別是對於一支糟糕的球隊，特別是對於一支在錯誤的方向上邁出了一步並且不得不擺脫負責任的傢伙。

When he starts doing that, it takes away all the excuses and it solidifies his status as we always have to say other than Patrick Mahomes, you got to say, other than Patrick Mahomes, because he's in a different stratosphere.

當他開始這樣做時，它帶走了所有的藉口，它鞏固了他的地位，因為我們總是不得不說除了帕特里克-馬霍姆斯之外，你必須說，除了帕特里克-馬霍姆斯之外，因為他在不同的平流層。

The only guy I have ever seen comparable to Mahomes is Aaron Rodgers in his prime.

我所見過的唯一能和馬霍姆斯相提並論的人，就是巔峰時期的阿倫-羅傑斯。

But we have to say Stephen A, at this moment, Sean Watson's second best quarterback in the A F.

但我們不得不說斯蒂芬-A，此時此刻，肖恩-沃森在A F的第二好四分衛。

C.

C.

Well, I'm not.

好吧，我不是。

I'm not going to disagree with you there.

我不會不同意你的說法。

What I will say to you is that that's not the story that I walked away focused on the story that I walked away focused on Max Kellerman.

我想對你說的是，這不是故事，我走了專注於故事，我走了專注於Max Kellerman。

Is that match Patricia somebody that needs to lose his job.

那場比賽帕特里夏是不是該丟掉工作？

He's got to go when you high when you fire Jim Caldwell.

他得走時，你高 當你解僱吉姆・考德威爾。

And we talked about this yesterday, Max.

我們昨天也談過這個問題，麥克斯

So I know you agree when you talk about Jim Caldwell going 36 28 4 seasons in the Detroit Lions organization as his head coach.

所以我知道你同意，當你說到吉姆-考德威爾作為他的主教練在底特律雄獅組織中36 28 4個賽季。

Two times he took them to the postseason and you get rid of him after nine and seven season.

兩次他把他們帶到了季後賽，而你卻在9和7賽季後把他趕走。

Mike Greenberg greeny on get up this morning, pointing out very salient fact that I think needs to be, uh, echoed Matt.

Mike Greenberg今早起床後，指出了一個非常突出的事實，我認為需要，呃，迴應Matt。

Patricia could win the next 24 games straight and still would have more losses.

帕楚里亞可以在接下來的24場比賽中連勝，但還是會輸得更多。

Then Jim Caldwell did as head coach of the Detroit Lines.

然後吉姆-考德威爾做為底特律隊的主教練。

Let's let's let's let's repeat that, cause that's worth repeating.

讓我們讓我們讓我們讓我們重複，因為這是值得重複的。

Matt Patricia could win 24 straight games and still have a worst winning percentage and have more losses.

馬特-帕楚里亞可以連續贏下24場比賽，但勝率仍然是最差的，而且輸得更多。

Then Jim Caldwell did in this four years as head coach.

那麼吉姆-考德威爾在這四年的主教練生涯中就做到了。

Other Detroit Lions.

其他底特律雄獅。

But this man still kept his job.

但這個人還是保住了自己的工作。

You see, when we talk about social justice issues and we talked about people being in the streets and complaining and going off, it wasn't as I reiterated this point, I'm very serious about this.

你看，當我們談論社會正義問題時，我們談到人們在街上抱怨和走神，這不是像我重申這一點，我非常認真地對待這個問題。

It wasn't just about George Floyd having a knee on his neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds.

這不僅僅是喬治-弗洛伊德的脖子上跪了8分46秒的事。

It's about the fact that for on far too many occasions, particularly in corporate America, black folks have felt like we've had a knee on our neck for quite sometimes figuratively speaking, of course, and when you look at how Jim Cardwell was unceremoniously dismissed and let go.

這是關於一個事實，在太多的場合，特別是在美國的企業，黑人覺得我們已經有一個膝蓋在我們的脖子上相當有時象徵性地說，當然，當你看看吉姆-卡德威爾是如何毫不客氣地解僱和讓。

But you see the patients that's exercised for somebody like a Matt Patricia, who may be smart, like Rob Ninkovich said earlier, who made it was a capable defensive coordinator champion is a defensive coordinator and all of this stuff, but clearly in act as a head coach and one year after another, the level of patience is given to him.

但你看到的病人，是行使像一個馬特-帕特里夏，誰可能是聰明的，就像羅布-寧科維奇剛才說的，誰使它是一個有能力的防守協調員冠軍是一個防守協調員和所有這些東西，但顯然在作為一個主教練和一年後，耐心的水準是給他。

That just doesn't come our way.

這只是不來我們的方式。

That's where problems are created.

這就是問題的產生。

And when you engage in a meritocracy and it's true purest form and you hold people accountable for doing their job or lack thereof, then you have a better society because we understand that the rules are fair.

而當你實行任人唯賢的制度，而且是真正純粹的形式，你讓人們對自己的工作負責或不負責任，那麼你就會有一個更好的社會，因為我們明白規則是公平的。

And Matt Patricia, that's not the case.

而馬特-帕特里夏，情況並非如此。

I feel sorry for him and his family.

我為他和他的家人感到難過。

I'm not trying to be disrespectful.

我並不是要對你不敬。

I'm not trying to say he doesn't deserve to be a coach in the NFL, but he does not deserve to be a head coach, particularly for these Detroit Lions.

我並不是想說他不配在NFL當教練，但他不配當主教練，尤其是這些底特律雄獅的主教練。

They are not a good team.

他們不是一支好球隊。

They have talent, but they are not well coached.

他們有天賦，但他們沒有得到很好的訓練。

They haven't been well coached.

他們沒有得到很好的訓練。

They were three and three before losing four.

他們在輸掉四場比賽之前，是三場和三場。

Their last five or so They got a decent went over Arizona.

他們在過去的五次左右，他們得到了一個體面的去超過亞利桑那。

The other three victories, I think, came against Jacksonville, the Washington football team, and I forgot what other non winning team it waas.

其他三場勝利，我想，是對陣傑克遜維爾，華盛頓橄欖球隊，我忘了是什麼其他非勝利球隊了。

This man has not been impressive but continues to be employed.

此人雖然沒有給人留下深刻印象，但卻繼續被聘用。

He should be gone because he's had ample enough opportunities improved that he's worthy and he hasn't done it.

他應該走了，因為他已經有足夠多的機會改善他的價值，而他還沒有做到。

Max.

最多。

I think there's a larger issue there.

我認為有一個更大的問題。

I mean, look, I think the Shawn Watson is the story because the Sean watch like I agree with you about all this.

我的意思是，你看，我認為肖恩-沃森是故事 因為肖恩手錶像我同意你對這一切。

I thought there's going into the game to Shawn Watson reestablished himself.

我以為有進入比賽的肖恩-沃森重新確立了自己的地位。

I think firmly, if you talk about quarterbacks in football, let's just take the A F c Other than Mahomes, he's the guy.

我堅定地認為，如果你談論足球中的四分衛，讓我們只拿A F c除了馬霍姆斯之外，他就是那個人。

He's the guy.

他就是那個人

It's a shame that his team has been mismanaged the way it has been, and they've relied so heavily upon him that he keeps them respectable in spite of bad decisions made about him.

他的球隊一直被管理不善，這是一個恥辱，他們如此依賴他，儘管對他做出了錯誤的決定，但他讓他們保持尊重。

But in terms to address the point that you just brought up, it reminds me a little bit of the Panthers.

但就解決你剛才提出的問題而言，這讓我想起了黑豹隊。

In this sense.

從這個意義上講：

In both cases, Ron Rivera, not African American but considered broadly a minority head coach.

在這兩種情況下，Ron Rivera，不是非洲裔美國人，但被認為是一個廣泛的少數民族主教練。

If you move on from a head coach that is highly competent and winning but you feel is not quite good enough to get you to a Super Bowl or you're looking for more Rivera was usually like a lot of times in the playoffs winning seasons got to a Super Bowl, but the Panthers looked at him and Cam and said, We think we could do better than that.

如果你從一個能力很強的主教練身上繼續前進，並且贏得了勝利，但你覺得還不足以讓你進入超級碗，或者你正在尋找更多的里維拉通常就像很多時候在季後賽中獲勝的賽季進入超級碗，但黑豹看著他和卡姆說，我們認為我們可以做得更好。

We're gonna tear it down to get even better.

我們要把它拆掉，讓它變得更好。

And then you bring in a head coach, which is not a minority higher, especially.

然後你再請一個主教練，這不是少數高，特別是。

And in fact, you go backwards like the point is, when you make that decision, you make sure that you're actually in swinging for the fences, going to move things forward.

而事實上，你倒退一樣，關鍵是，當你做出這個決定的時候，你要確保你其實是在擺渡，去推動事情的發展。

Otherwise, people will rightly say what happened.

否則，人們會理直氣壯地說出事情的經過。

We were pretty good, and now we stink.

我們以前挺好的，現在我們很臭。

Same thing with the Lions.

獅隊也一樣。

The Lions had a head coach, was African American two out of four seasons, made the playoffs, averaged nine wins this season.

獅子隊的主教練，四個賽季中有兩個賽季是非裔美國人，打進了季後賽，這個賽季平均贏了9場。

Thought they could do better and have done much, much worse.

以為他們可以做得更好，卻做得更多、更差。

And the fact that it was a no African American American head coach let go and a white head coach brought in in this league where African American representation in that position so low makes it look even worse.

而事實上，這是一個沒有非洲裔美國人的主教練被解僱，而在這個非洲裔美國人在這個位置上的代表性如此之低的聯盟中，請來了一個白人主教練，這讓它看起來更糟糕。

Well, listen, I'm not disagreeing with any of your points.

好吧，聽著，我不是不同意你的任何觀點。

All I'm saying is that if you're talking to me about the Shawn Watson.

我想說的是，如果你跟我說的是肖恩-沃森，

I'm down with it.

我同意

All I'm saying is yesterday ain't some prime example because of who he was going against the Detroit lines on the 25th ranked team against the rush, 26th against the past 27th in yards allowed, and 30th, the third worst defense in the entire National Football League.

我想說的是，昨天不是什麼典型的例子，因為他對底特律隊的防線是誰，對沖力排名第25位的球隊，對過去27位的碼數排名第26位的球隊，以及第30位的球隊，整個國家足球聯盟第三差的防守。

Matt Patricia signature is defense.

馬特-帕特里夏的簽名是防守。

He's not getting it done, period.

他沒有完成任務，就這樣。

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