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  • -My first guests tonight are co-hosts of "Morning Joe,"

    -今晚我的第一位嘉賓是 "早安喬 "的聯合主持人

  • which airs weekday mornings at 6:00 a.m. on MSNBC.

    該節目於每週日早上6點在MSNBC播出。

  • Here are Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski!

    這是喬-斯卡伯勒和米卡-布熱津斯基!

  • -Hey, how you doing? -Nice to see you.

    -嘿,你好嗎?-很高興見到你

  • There's a lot I want to talk to you both about.

    我有很多話想跟你們倆說。

  • First of all, thank you for just surviving this election cycle.

    首先,感謝你能在這個選舉週期中倖存下來。

  • This has been pretty crazy. -Or a presidency.

    這真是太瘋狂了-或者說是一個總統職位

  • -Yeah, no, it's been a crazy four or five years,

    -是的,不,這是一個瘋狂的四年或五年。

  • so I think all of us are exhausted.

    所以我想我們大家都累壞了。

  • We actually thought before 2016 --

    其實在2016年之前,我們就認為--

  • we told our boss, Phil Griffin, at MSNBC.

    我們告訴我們的老闆,菲爾・格里芬,在MSNBC。

  • I said, "Listen, after Hillary wins, this is exhausting."

    我說:"聽著,希拉里贏了之後,這很累人。"

  • -Take a break. -"We're going to take --

    -休息一下。-"我們將採取 --

  • we're going to take about a two-month break."

    我們要休息兩個月左右。"

  • -[ Laughs ] -And that never happened.

    -而這一切都沒有發生。

  • -Never. -No.

    -沒有-沒有

  • And I also want to mention, congrats on your anniversary.

    我還想提一下,恭喜你們的週年紀念日。

  • Is it two years married for you guys?

    你們結婚兩年了嗎?

  • -[ Laughs ] -Well, you know,

    -好吧,你知道的。

  • it's very interesting, Jimmy, you say that.

    很有趣,吉米,你這麼說。

  • Actually, I know that. -Thank you!

    其實,我知道-謝謝你!

  • I know that too. -And you know that.

    我也知道-你也知道

  • -I know that. -Uh-oh.

    -我知道-我知道

  • -But right before we came on the show,

    -但就在我們上節目之前。

  • I turned to Mika... -No, I know that.

    我轉向美嘉...-不,我知道

  • -...and I said, "Hey, do you know what today is, honey?"

    -我說:"嘿,你知道今天是什麼日子嗎,親愛的?"

  • And she said, "Uh, no, why?" -No, come on.

    她說:"呃,不,為什麼?"-不,來吧。

  • -Oh, my goodness. -It's our two-year anniversary.

    -哦,我的天啊-今天是我們的兩週年紀念日

  • She still doesn't know what month I was born in.

    她還是不知道我是幾月出生的。

  • So that's my birthday. -Listen.

    所以,這是我的生日。-聽著

  • -So it doesn't matter. -When we did the show

    -所以這並不重要.-當我們做節目的時候

  • this morning and I said what the date was to everybody,

    今天早上,我跟大家說了日期是什麼。

  • something hit me that it was a special day.

    我覺得今天是個特別的日子。

  • -You knew it was special. -No.

    -你知道這很特別-你知道它很特別

  • -Yeah. -It was something about it.

    -是的 是關於它的一些事情。

  • -Something. -Some of us -- Some of us knew

    一些東西。 - 我們中的一些人...-我們中的一些人 -- 我們中的一些人知道

  • it was special, and it really is now.

    它是特別的,它真的是現在。

  • Now it's doubly special.

    現在加倍特別了。

  • Congrats on that, guys.

    恭喜你,夥計們。

  • I love seeing you guys together.

    我喜歡看到你們在一起。

  • I love seeing you separately as well.

    我也喜歡分別見你。

  • But together, it's unbelievable. It's magic.

    但結合在一起,就不可思議了。這是神奇的。

  • You guys were hosting a special Saturday edition.

    你們在舉辦週六特別版。

  • They kept adding these special editions of your show,

    他們一直在添加這些特別版的你的節目。

  • of "Morning Joe." -Yeah, it just kept going.

    的 "早安喬"。 - 是的,它只是繼續下去。-是啊,它只是繼續前進。

  • -And, man, I honestly -- I applaud you.

    -而且,夥計,我真的... ... 我為你鼓掌。

  • Thank you so much.

    非常感謝你。

  • The American people thank you for just being on the air.

    美國人民感謝你在直播中的表現。

  • But you -- MSNBC made the call

    但你... ... MSNBC做了電話

  • that Joe Biden had become President-elect.

    喬-拜登已成為當選總統。

  • Joe, what was it like for you to make that announcement?

    喬,你宣佈這個消息是什麼感覺?

  • -Well, you know, something happened to me

    -嗯,你知道,有些事情發生在我身上。

  • that's never happened before in like -- what? --

    這是從來沒有發生過的 在像 - 什麼?

  • 17 years in television.

    在電視臺工作了17年。

  • I had somebody say into my ear that Joe Biden is going...

    有人在我耳邊說喬-拜登要...

  • -Alex. -...to be the 46th President

    -亞歷克斯亞歷克斯 -... 將成為第46任總統。

  • of the United States. Our EP Alex said that.

    的美國。我們的EP Alex說:

  • And I was supposed to, you know, do the Brian Williams --

    我本來應該,你知道,做布萊恩-威廉姆斯 -

  • "We have just received..." -He's good at it.

    "我們剛剛收到..."-他很在行

  • -"...word that Joe Biden

    --"......話說喬-拜登。

  • will be the next President of the United States."

    將成為下一任美國總統。"

  • I got, "Joe Biden is," and then I had to stop.

    我得到了 "喬-拜登是",然後我不得不停下來。

  • -And I got worried. -The last thing I wanted to do

    -我開始擔心了.-我最不想做的事

  • was have anybody hear any emotion in my voice.

    是有誰聽出了我的聲音裡有任何情緒。

  • We were, especially since it was election coverage,

    我們是,特別是因為這是選舉報道。

  • I wanted to play it straight down the middle.

    我想直接從中間打過去。

  • Everybody knew that we were supporting

    大家都知道我們在支持

  • Joe Biden over President Trump.

    喬-拜登比特朗普總統。

  • But at the same time,

    但與此同時。

  • the last thing I wanted to do was get emotional.

    我最不想做的事情就是情緒化。

  • -Start crying. -With a Cronkite moment,

    -開始哭泣-有了克朗凱特的時刻。

  • taking off my glasses.

    脫掉我的眼鏡。

  • So I said, "Mika." -Yeah.

    所以我說,"米卡"-是的

  • -And she said -- then she did the whole thing.

    -她說... 然後她做了整個事情。

  • -Well, your work has paid off.

    -好吧,你的工作得到了回報。

  • MSNBC and your show in particular

    特別是MSNBC和你的節目

  • have been fantastic in the ratings.

    在收視率上一直表現出色。

  • So congrats on that if that makes you feel any better.

    所以,恭喜你,如果這讓你感覺更好。

  • But I don't even know if you care.

    但我甚至不知道你是否在意。

  • At this point, you're like, "Let's just --"

    在這一點上,你會說,"我們只是... ..."

  • -Nope. -"We just want a weekend off."

    -"我們只想過個週末"。

  • -Yes. -Yeah, exactly.

    -是的 是的,沒錯

  • -It feels like there's never been a slow news day

    -感覺就像從來沒有一個緩慢的新聞日。

  • during Trump's presidency.

    在特朗普任內,。

  • -There hasn't been.

    -沒有

  • In fact, since the campaign, and as Joe said, we wanted --

    事實上,從競選開始,正如喬所說,我們想... ...

  • every time you would want to take a break,

    每次你想休息的時候。

  • every time you go take a break, it follows you.

    每次你去休息的時候,它就會跟著你。

  • And now, literally, in this pandemic,

    而現在,從字面上看,在這場大瘟疫中。

  • you cannot leave your job.

    你不能離開你的工作。

  • It is there with you 24/7.

    它24小時與你同在。

  • And with this president,

    而與這位總統。

  • it has been one you-know-what after another.

    它一直是一個你知道什麼,一個又一個。

  • -Yeah, is this going to change the pace

    -是啊,這是要改變節奏嗎?

  • of all news shows in general?

    在所有新聞節目中,一般?

  • -I hope. I mean, don't you hope?

    -我希望我是說,你不希望嗎?

  • -Yeah.

    -是的

  • -I'd take boring.

    -我會選擇無聊的。

  • We can't wait to be boring.

    我們不能等閒視之。

  • -[ Laughing ] Yeah. -Yeah, I mean, I do think,

    -是啊 是啊,我是說,我是這麼認為的。

  • though, actually one of the problems

    不過,其實其中一個問題

  • over the past four years --

    在過去四年裡 -- --

  • actually probably over the past couple of decades --

    實際上,可能在過去的幾十年裡,

  • is that politics has become a blood sport.

    是政治已經成為一項血腥的運動。

  • People turn to their channel.

    人們轉向他們的管道。

  • -You call it a shock opera.

    -你說這是一出震撼人心的歌劇

  • -Yeah, it is a shock opera,

    -是的,這是一部震撼人心的歌劇。

  • and people root for their team, root for their side.

    而人們為自己的團隊,為自己的一方紮根。

  • -I think we've been desensitized as well

    -我想我們也已經脫敏了

  • to shocking news from the presidency.

    到來自總統府的驚人消息。

  • And it's going to take a long time to unwind this,

    而且要花很長時間才能解開這個問題。

  • no matter what side of this you're on.

    不管你站在哪一邊,都是如此。

  • -Yeah, and both sides watch your show.

    -是啊,兩邊都看你的節目。

  • I will say that, too.

    我也會這麼說。

  • I mean, it's good to have the conversation with them.

    我是說,能和他們對話是件好事。

  • -Absolutely. -Yeah, it is.

    -當然了.-是的,是這樣的

  • And I think, you know, we used to go and give an awful lot

    我想,你知道,我們曾經去 並給出了一個可怕的很多。

  • of speeches to civic groups,

    對民間團體的演講。

  • and we just stopped doing it over the past several years

    我們只是停止這樣做 在過去的幾年裡,

  • in colleges because things became so intense.

    在大學裡,因為事情變得如此激烈。

  • It used to be that Mika would get up

    以前美嘉都會起來的

  • and she would take the more liberal view.

    而她會採取比較自由的觀點。

  • I'd take the more conservative view.

    我會採取比較保守的觀點。

  • -We switched all around.

    -我們換了個地方

  • -We had this really fun back-and-forth.

    -我們有這個非常有趣的來回。

  • And let's just say the fun has gone away a little bit

    而我們只能說,樂趣已經消失了一點。

  • in the past couple years when it comes to talking about politics.

    在過去的幾年裡,當談到政治。

  • Let's hope we can get back to a place where we can talk civilly

    希望我們能回到一個可以文明交流的地方去

  • about it again and at least be operating

    重提此事,至少是在經營

  • from the same set of facts.

    從同一組事實出發。

  • -[ Chuckles ] Well, Jimmy, when the show started --

    -嗯,吉米,當節目開始的時候 --

  • So, I was sort of the straight man.

    所以,我算是個直男。

  • And then I saw myself on "Saturday Night Live"

    然後我在 "週六夜現場 "上看到了自己的身影

  • and realized what's happened over the past four years

    並意識到過去四年發生的事情。

  • is we've switched roles. -Yeah.

    是我們已經換了角色。-是的

  • -And I've become the crazy one. -You know, the funny thing is

    -而我成了那個瘋狂的人.-你知道,有趣的是

  • everybody called us -- -He's driven me crazy!

    每個人都叫我們 -- -他讓我瘋狂!

  • -Not me -- Donald Trump.

    -不是我,是唐納德・特朗普

  • -Do you think that he is going to concede?

    -你認為他要讓步嗎?

  • No, he's not going to concede, right, Mika?

    不,他不會讓步的,對吧,米卡?

  • -Nope. -No.

    -沒有 沒有

  • -We have a bet on this.

    -我們打了個賭

  • That's all I'm going to say, and I'm going to win.

    我就說這麼多,我一定會贏。

  • And it's a lot because I bet --

    這是一個很大的,因為我敢打賭 -

  • when I bet, I bet for a lot of money.

    當我下注時,我賭了很多錢。

  • -Yeah.

    -是的

  • Joe, why do you think that it's taking so long for Republicans

    喬,你覺得為什麼共和黨人要花這麼長時間?

  • to acknowledge Biden's win?

    來承認拜登的勝利?

  • -Yeah, I wish I knew.

    -是的,我希望我知道

  • You know, I was -- These people were my colleagues.

    你知道,我是... 這些人是我的同事。

  • I served with them... -Your friends.

    我和他們一起工作...

  • -...when I was young.

    -...當我年輕的時候

  • When I was 30, I got elected to Congress

    我30歲的時候,被選進了國會。

  • and I served with a lot of these people

    我和很多這樣的人一起工作

  • for eight years in Congress.

    在國會工作了8年。

  • Seven, eight years in Congress.

    在國會待了七八年

  • And I've known them for almost a quarter of a century,

    而我認識他們已經有近四分之一世紀了。

  • and I just don't recognize some of them.

    我只是不認識他們中的一些人。

  • I mean, these are people that we worked together.

    我是說,這些都是我們一起工作的人。

  • We fought the good fight together.

    我們一起打了一場好仗。

  • We were used to -- you know, there were a lot of times

    我們習慣了 -- 你知道,有很多時候

  • when many of us were trying to run Newt Gingrich out of town

    當我們很多人都想把紐特-金裡奇趕出城的時候

  • and sort of leading a coup against his speakership.

    和排序的上司政變 對他的演講者職位。

  • And we were doing it because we didn't feel like

    而我們這樣做是因為我們不覺得

  • he was following his word, that he was keeping his word.

    他是言出必行,他是守信的。

  • And to see a lot of these people just sort of blindly follow

    而看到很多這些人只是有點盲目地跟隨

  • Donald Trump over the past four years and say nothing

    唐納德-特朗普在過去的四年裡,什麼都不說。

  • when President Trump actually was talking the last two weeks

    當特朗普總統實際上是在過去的兩個星期說話

  • of the campaign about throwing Joe Biden in jail,

    的競選活動中,關於把喬-拜登扔進監獄。

  • having his attorney general throw Joe Biden in jail.

    讓他的總檢察長把喬-拜登扔進監獄。

  • That's something that happens in Russia.

    這是俄羅斯發生的事情。

  • It's bizarre, and I just kept waiting for

    太奇怪了,我一直在等著

  • my friends to speak up, and they just didn't do it.

    我的朋友說出來, 他們只是沒有做到這一點。

  • -You never got, like, a little wink,

    -你從來沒有得到,像,一個小的眼色。

  • like a little Jack Nicholson, like "Cuckoo's Nest" like --

    像一個小杰克-尼科爾森, 像 "杜鵑窩 "喜歡 -

  • -Yeah. -Nothing.

    -是的 什麼都沒有

  • -Nothing. -Yeah, they all do.

    -沒什麼-是的,他們都是這樣

  • No, they will all give you the little wink off camera.

    不,他們都會在鏡頭外給你使小眼色。

  • And they go, "Yeah, we know he's crazy. Yeah, yeah.

    他們走了,"是啊,我們知道他是瘋了。是啊,是啊。

  • But that really does none of us any good.

    但這對我們來說真的沒有任何好處。

  • People needed to start saying it on camera,

    人們需要開始在鏡頭下說出來。

  • and for whatever reason,

    而且不管出於什麼原因。

  • they just couldn't bring themselves to do it.

    他們只是不能把自己做到這一點。

  • -There's more I want to talk to you guys about.

    -我還有更多的事情想跟你們說。

  • Can you stick around for a couple more minutes?

    你能再堅持幾分鐘嗎?

  • -Would love to. -Absolutely.

    -很樂意-當然

-My first guests tonight are co-hosts of "Morning Joe,"

-今晚我的第一位嘉賓是 "早安喬 "的聯合主持人

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