♪ >> STEPHEN: WELCOME BACK.

歡迎回來。

MY GUEST IS AN EMMY AWARD-WINNING WRITER, PRODUCER

我的客人是一個艾美獎的獲獎作家，製作人。

AND CREATOR OF SHOWS SUCH AS "INSECURE" AND "GROWN-ISH."

和創造者的節目，如 "不安全" 和 "成長的氣息"。

HE NOW HOSTS A NEW TALK SHOW ON PEACOCK CALLED "WILMORE."

他現在在PEACOCK電視臺主持一檔新的談話節目叫 "WILMORE"。

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW," LARRY WILMORE!

歡迎回到 "晚間秀"，拉里-威爾摩！

HELLO, LARRY, HOW ARE YOU?

你好，拉里，你怎麼樣？

>> HEY, STEPHEN, SO GOOD TO SEE YOU, I LOVE THE WAY YOU SAID

>> 嘿，史蒂芬，很高興見到你，我喜歡你說話的方式。

PEACOCK!

PEACOCK！

>> Stephen: THAT'S THE NBC STREAMING THING.

>> 那是NBC直播的事情。

>> THAT'S THE NEW STREAMING THING THAT IS FREE.

>> 這就是新的流媒體，是免費的。

IT COSTS NO MONEY.

它不花錢。

>> Stephen: IT COSTS NO MONEY?

>> Stephen:不花錢？

THAT'S A TOUGH BUSINESS MODEL.

這是一個艱難的商業模式。

>> THE ENTRY LEVEL IS FREE.

>> 入門級別是免費的。

>> Stephen: CBS IS NOT ALL ACCESS ANYMORE.

>> 斯蒂芬：CBS不是所有的訪問了。

>> PARAMOUNT PLUS.

>> PARAMOUNT PLUS。

>> Stephen: HAD TO PUT THAT IN THERE LEGALLY.

>> Stephen:不得不合法地把它放在那裡。

>> I THINK IT'S CBS QUESTIONABLE ACCESS.

>> 我想這是CBS的可疑訪問。

( LAUGHTER ) >> Stephen: YOU PREDICTED -- I

（笑） >> 斯蒂芬：你預測 - 我

JUST WANT TO LAY SOMETHING AT YOUR FEET RIGHT HERE.

只想在這裡把東西放在你的腳下。

YOU PREDICTED IN 2016 TRUMP WOULD WIN.

你在2016年就預測到川普會贏。

YOU WERE ONE TO HAVE THE FEW PEOPLE THAT SAID, NOPE, THIS

你是一個有少數人說，不，這。

DOESN'T SMELL RIGHT, HE'S GOING TO DO IT.

沒有氣味的權利，他要做到這一點。

LAST MONTH YOU SAID THERE'S NO WHICH TRUMP IS GOING TO BEAT

上個月你說過，特朗普不可能打敗誰。

BIDEN.

BIDEN：

HOW ARE YOU FEELING ABOUT THAT PREDICTION, LARRY WILMORE?

你對這個預測有何感想，拉里・威爾摩？

>> I FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT.

>> 我感覺很好。

I DON'T FEEL HE CAN BEAT BIDEN.

我不覺得他能打敗比登。

THE ONLY WAY I FEEL IS HE CAN CHEAT BIDEN IS THE OTHER PART OF

我覺得他唯一能騙到BIDEN的方法，就是他的其他部分。

THAT AND IT FEELS LIKE WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IN PENNSYLVANIA WAS

而且感覺他在賓夕法尼亞州想做的事就是

AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.

一個例子。

TRYING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM ACTUALLY COUNTING THE VOTES

試圖阻止人們實際計算選票。

WHILE THEY'RE IN PROGRESS, STEPHEN, I'VE NEVER SEEN

當他們在進行時，史蒂芬，我從來沒有見過... ...

ANYTHING LIKE THAT B, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

任何類似於B的東西，都是不可信的。

>> Stephen: THE ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE WE HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE,

>> 斯蒂芬：論點可以說我們有投票權。

DOESN'T SAY THE RIGHT TO COUNT.

沒有說的權利計算。

>> UNLESS YOU ARE THE COUNT, AND HE WOULD INCEST EVERYONE WOULD

>> 除非你是伯爵，而他會亂倫，否則所有人都會。

COUNT.

數。

>> Stephen: HE USUALLY GETS TO SEVEN AND STARTS LAUGHING AND HE

>> 史蒂芬：他通常到了七點就開始大笑，然後他就。

CAN'T COUNT ANYMORE.

不能再算了。

>> HE WEARS HIMSELF OUT BECAUSE HE LAUGHS AT HIS OWN JOKES.

>> 他把自己累壞了，因為他嘲笑自己的笑話。

>> Stephen: THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, I WAS TALKING WITH

>> 史蒂芬：特朗普競選，我在和他說話。

CHARLEMAGNE THA GOD AND SAID THE CAMPAIGN REACHED OUT TO BLACK

查理馬格納的上帝，並說競選活動接觸到黑人。

MEN AND THERE WAS SOME SUCCESS THERE.

男人和有一些成功的地方。

WERE YOU SURPRISED AND DO YOU AGREE THAT THERE WAS SOME

你是否感到驚訝，你是否同意有一些。

SUCCESS THERE?

那裡的成功？

>> WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT TRUMP HAD SUCCESS WITH BLACK MEN VOTER

>> 好吧，我想說，特朗普在黑人選民中取得了成功。

IN THE SAME WAY THAT JUMPING GETS YOU CLOSER TO THE SUN, YOU

就像跳躍能讓你更接近太陽一樣，你也能讓你更接近太陽。

KNOW.

知道。

( LAUGHTER ) I MEAN, I GUESS.

（笑）我的意思是，我猜。

>> Stephen: TECHNICALLY -- TECHNICALLY.

>> Stephen:技術上的 -- 技術上的。

>> Stephen: BUT YOU'RE NOT IN N.A.S.A.

>> 但你不在N.A.S.A.。

>> YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY ACTUALLY MEASURE IT, YOU

>> 是的，我的意思是，你知道，一旦他們實際測量它，你

KNOW, YOU COME UP WITH REAL NUMBERS THAT GIVE YOU A LITTLE

你知道，你想出了真正的數字，給你一點點的。

MORE CONTEXT AND CLARITY.

更多內容和清晰度。

>> Stephen: WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE, LARRY?

>> Stephen:是什麼給了你希望，LARRY？

WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD?

是什麼讓你感覺良好？

>> THIS IS GOING TO SOUND CORNY, STEPHEN, BUT I REALLY DO BELIEVE

>> 這聽起來很老套，史蒂芬，但我真的相信。

IN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS A WHOLE.

美國人民作為一個整體，即：

I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BEEN RESILIENT THROUGH SO MANY

我覺得我們經歷了這麼多的事情，我們還是很有彈性的。

THINGS.

事情。

WE'VE HAD HORRIBLE THINGS HAPPEN THEN OUR RESILIENCY TAKES OVER.

我們曾經經歷過可怕的事情，然後我們的應變能力被接管。

IN THE '60s, WE HAD THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WE HAD THE CIVIL

在60年代，我們有了選舉權法案，我們有了公民權法案。

RIGHTS ACT.

權利法：

WE WENT TO THE MOON.

我們去了月球。

WE HAD HORRIBLE THINGS TO DEAL WITH BUT AS A GROUP WE FIND A

我們有可怕的事情要處理，但作為一個小組，我們發現一個。

WAY.

辦法。

STEPHEN, I'M SO INSPIRED BY OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.

我們的年輕人給了我很大的啟發。

THEY'RE INVOLVED IN WAYS I NEVER THOUGHT OF WHEN I WAS 19, 20 AND

他們參與的方式，我從來沒有想過的，當我19，20，和

THAT AGE, THE WAY THEY CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE GIVES ME HOPE.

那個年紀，他們關心未來的方式讓我充滿希望。

>> Stephen: MY CHILDREN ARE FAR MORE SOCIALLY AND

>> 斯蒂芬：我的孩子們在社會上的地位和地位要高得多。

POLITICALLY CONSCIOUS THAN I EVER WAS, AND I WAS A PERFECT

比我更有政治覺悟，我是一個完美的。

CHILD.

孩子：

>> YES, STEPHEN, WE COULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL FOR WHAT WE JUST

>> 是的，史蒂芬，我們可能會因為剛才的事情而進監獄。

INNOCENTLY DID BACK THEN FOR WHAT YOU CAN'T EVEN DO THESE

無辜地做了回什麼，你甚至不能做這些。

DAYS.

天。

>> Stephen: RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE A RECORD OF IT

>> Stephen:因為會有記錄的

BECAUSE SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE RECORDED ME JUMPING OVER THAT

因為有人會錄下我跳過去的畫面。

THING WHILE I WAS DOING THE OTHER THING AND HOLDING THAT

事情，而我在做其他的事情，並持有該

OTHER HINGE IN MY HAND.

我手中的另一個鉸鏈。

>> THIS THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF THE THING.

>> 這個沒有證據的東西。

>> Stephen: NEW SHOW ON PEACOCK CALLED "WILMORE," NOT

>> Stephen:在PEACOCK上的新節目叫 "WILMORE"，而不是：

YOUR FIRST FORE INTO LATE NIGHT.

你的第一個前夜到深夜。

HOW'S THAT DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE YOU'VE DONE.

這和你做過的任何事情有什麼不同？

>> IT'S ON AIR.

>> 它的空氣。

>> Stephen: IT CAN BE WATCHED.

>> Stephen:它可以被觀看。

I THINK I WAS PURGED FROM COMEDY CENTRAL.

我想我是被喜劇中心趕出來的。

I CAN'T EVEN FIND THE EPISODES.

我甚至找不到劇集。

THE SHOW CAME ABOUT IN THE WAKE OF THE GEORGE FLOYD MOMENT, I

這部劇是在喬治-弗洛伊德事件後出現的，我...

WAS TALKING TO THE PEOPLE AT PEACOCK, I'M WORKING AT

我在和PEACOCK的人說話，我在工作。

UNIVERSAL, AND THEY SAID IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET ON THE AIR

通用的，他們說這將是偉大的得到的空氣。

AND RESPOND TO THIS, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH AMERICA THAT

並對此作出迴應，與美國進行對話，即

IT SAYS IT WANTS TO HAVE AND KIND OF BUILD THE SHOW AROUND

它說，它想擁有，並有點建立周圍的節目。

THAT.

那。

SO THAT'S THE SPACE WE'RE IN.

所以，這就是我們所處的空間。

KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE DOING IT AS A SPECIAL.

請記住，我們正在做一個特殊的。

WE'RE ONLY DOING 11 EPISODES AND WE'RE USING THE ELECTIONS A WAY

我們只做了11集，我們用選舉的方式。

TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND THEN AFTER WE'RE DONE I THINK WE

進行這種對話，然後在我們完成後，我想我們

HAVE THREE OR MORE EPISODES.

有三個或更多的情節。

WE WANT TO SEE IF WE WANT TO DO IT AS A SERIES GOING FORWARD.

我們想看看我們是否要把它作為一個系列繼續做下去。

>> Stephen: AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE CHRISTMAS EPISODE.

>> 史蒂芬：然後很明顯是聖誕節的情節。

>> YES, OF COURSE.

>> 是的，當然。

>> Stephen: FROM HAWAII.

>> Stephen:從夏威夷。

WELL, YOU SAY THAT BUT YOURS ARE LEGENDARY.

好吧，你說，但你的是傳奇。

( LAUGHTER ) >> Stephen: THAT'S FUN.

（笑） >> 斯蒂芬：這就是樂趣。

EHEY, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION

嘿，我有個問題，關於不舒服的談話。

THING.

事情。

>> YES.

>> 是。

>> Stephen: IS THAT THIS SPRING AND THIS SUMMER I HAD A

>> Stephen:是這個春天和這個夏天，我有一個。

LOT OF BLACK GUESTS ON THE SHOW AND WE HAD UNCOMFORTABLE

很多黑人嘉賓在節目中，我們有不舒服的。

CONVERSATIONS AND THERE'S SORT OF THE PROVERBIAL SUGGESTION

談話和有某種程度的諺語建議

FROM BLACK AMERICA TO WHITEMARK TO SAY YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT

從美國黑人到白馬可說你需要有那個

UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION, YOU NEED TO WANT THAT UNCOMFORTABLE

不舒服的對話，你需要想要那個不舒服的。

CONVERSATION, AND IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO BE READY FOR THAT

對話，而我們有責任為此做好準備。

UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION.

不舒服的談話。

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TERM UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION.

我對 "不舒服的談話 "這個詞有個疑問。

I UNDERSTAND IN WAYS THAT'S UNCOMFORTABLE FOR WHITE PEOPLE.

我理解的方式，這是不舒服的白人。

IS THAT A TWO-WAY UNCOMFORTABILITY?

這是一種雙向的不適應嗎？

ARE BLACK PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE IN THEIR OWN WAY OR

黑人是否以自己的方式感到不舒服或

UNCOMFORTABLE AT HOW UNCOMFORTABLE WE ARE DURING THAT

對我們在這期間如何不舒服感到不安

CONVERSATION.

CONVERSIONATION.

>> THAT'S IT, EWE ONLY WANT YOU TO BE UNCOMFORTABLE.

>> 就這樣，我們只想讓你不舒服。

IT GIVES US SO MUCH JOY.

它給了我們很多的快樂。

>> Stephen: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, LARRY!

>> Stephen:任務完成了，LARRY！

>> STEPHEN, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT JUNETEENTH, WE WANT YOU TO FEEL

>> 史蒂芬，我們不關心六月天的事，我們想讓你感覺到。

UNCOMFORTABLE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT'S HAPPENING.

不安地想弄清楚為什麼會發生這樣的事情。

>> Stephen: WHY IS THERE A PICNIC HAPPENING OVER THERE?

>> 史蒂芬：為什麼那邊會有一個野餐會發生？

>> YES, WE'VE GOT TO DO BETTER.

>> 是的，我們要做得更好。

THERE'S JULYTEENTH, TOO, GUYS.

還有7月16日，也是，夥計們。

WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?

那是哪裡來的？

>> Stephen: TALKING ABOUT RACE, I ALREADY ASKED THAT ONE,

>> 史蒂芬：說到種族，我已經問過了。

THAT'S THE BLACK PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE, AND SORRY ABOUT

那是黑人不舒服，很抱歉

THAT, I APOLOGIZE.

那，並道歉。

THIS PART WILL BE EDIT OUT, LARRY.

這一部分將被編輯出來，LARRY。

EXACTLY, OR LEAVE IT IN.

完全正確，或者留下它。

HONESTY.

誠實。

THIS IS THE UNCOMFORTABLE PART.

這是不舒服的部分。

>> I'LL USE IT ON MY SHOW, I'LL PUT IT ON PEACOCK.

>> 我會在我的節目中使用它， 我會把它放在PEACOCK。

>> Stephen: FANTASTIC.

>> Stephen:夢幻般的。

NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW THIS, I HAPPEN TO KNOW THIS, BUT YOU

沒有多少人知道這一點，我碰巧知道，但你。

HAVE A LIFELONG HOBBY WHICH IS MAGIC.

有一個終生的愛好，那就是魔術。

>> I DO.

>> 我願意。

>> Stephen: WHO IS THAT OVER YOUR SHOULDER?

>> Stephen:誰在你的肩膀上？

>> THAT IS HERMAN.

>> 這是赫爾曼。

HE WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE MAGICIANS GROWING UP.

他是我成長過程中最喜歡的魔術師之一。

THAT'S AN INTERESTING PICTURE WHERE HE HAS A YOUNG BLACK

這是一個有趣的照片，他有一個年輕的黑人。

ASSISTANT, AND I JUST ALWAYS LOVED THAT POSTER, YOU KNOW, SO

助理，我只是一直喜歡那張海報，你知道，所以

THERE YOU GO.

你去那裡。

>> Stephen: HOW DID YOU FIRST GET INTO MAGIC, LARRY?

>> Stephen:你是怎麼開始接觸魔術的，LARRY？

>> YOU KNOW, I SAW A MAGICIAN, IT WAS CALLED THE INDIAN WHITE

>> 你知道嗎，我見過一個魔術師，他叫印度白種人。

GUY.

GUY：

IT WAS LIKE A CUB SCOUT THING.

它就像一個小熊童子軍的事情。

IT WAS COOL, YOU LEARNED ABOUT NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE.

這很好，你學到了美國本土文化。

>> INDIAN SCOUTS WITH THE Y.

>> 與Y.I.S.T.S.A.S.A.S.A.S.A.S.

I DID THAT.

我做的。

>> YOU GO WITH YOUR DAD OR YOUR MOM.

>> 你和你爸爸或媽媽一起去。

THERE WAS A MAGICIAN THERE AND MADE A ROPE WITH A KNOT AND CUT

* There was a magician there and made a rope with a knot and cut * 那裡有一個魔法師，用繩子打了個結，然後剪斷了。

IT OFF.

它關閉。

MY 7-YEAR-OLD BRAIN COULDN'T ACCEPT THAT.

我7歲的大腦不能接受。

I CUT UP SO MANY ROPES UNTIL I FIGURED OUT AT LEAST HOW I COULD

我剪了那麼多繩子，直到我想出了至少我怎麼能

DO IT, AND MY PARENTS GAVE ME A MAGIC SETTLE FOR CHRISTMAS AND I

做到這一點，我的父母給了我一個神奇的設置為聖誕節，我。

WAS HOOKED EVER SINCE.

從那時起，我就被迷住了。

>> Stephen: ARE YOU STILL -- OH, YEAH.

>> 你還在 -- 哦，是的。

>> Stephen: EVEN DURING ZOOM.

>> Stephen:即使是在變焦過程中。

I ALWAYS HAVE CARDS ON ME, ALWAYS PRACTICING.

我一直帶著卡片，一直在練習。

YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING NOW?

你現在想看點什麼？

>> Stephen: YES, I WOULD.

>> 史蒂芬：是的，我願意。

OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

好吧，所有的權利。

IT'S KIND OF AWKWARD, SO AS I GO JUST SAY STOP SOMEWHERE.

這有點尷尬，所以我說停在哪裡就停在哪裡。

>> Stephen: STOP.

>> 史蒂芬：停止。

RIGHT HERE?

就在這裡？

>> Stephen: SURE.

>> Stephen: SURE.

TAKE A LOOK.

看看吧

CAN YOU SEE THAT?

你看到了嗎？

>> Stephen: I SEE THE CARD, YES.

>> 我看到卡片了，是的。

>> KEEP IN MIND, YOU COULD HAVE CHOSEN ANY OF THE CARDS, YOU

>> 記住，你可以選擇任何一張牌。

COULD HAVE SAID STOP ANYWHERE.

本來可以說停在任何地方。

MOST TO HAVE THE TIME WHEN MAGICIANS DO TRICKS, SLIGHT OF

最有時間，當魔術師做的技巧，輕的。

HAND, SHUFFLE THE CARDS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

手，洗牌，所有的那種東西。

I'MT NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

我不打算這樣做。

IN FACT, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, STEPHEN, I'M GOING TO WRAP THIS

事實上，我要做的是，史蒂芬，我要把這個包起來。

DECK IN A RUBBER BAND AND NOT ALLOW MY HANDS TO DO ANY SLIGHT

穿著橡皮筋的甲板，不讓我的手做任何輕微的動作。

OF HAND AT ALL.

的手在所有。

AND WE'LL FIND YOUR CARD IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO

而我們會在所需的時間內找到你的卡。

SAY -- MMM, HOW ABOUT PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN?

SAY -- MMM, HOW ABOUT PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN?

>> Stephen: THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS BUT GO AHEAD.

>> Stephen:這讓我很緊張，但繼續前進。

>> THAT'S THE WHOLE PLAN TO HAVE THE TRICK, TO MAKE YOU NERVOUS.

>> 這就是計劃中的詭計，讓你變得神經質。

>> Stephen: IS THIS PART OF THE UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION?

>> 斯蒂芬：這也是不舒服的談話的一部分嗎？

>> THIS IS IT.

>> 這就是它。

>> Stephen: THIS IS THE ONE I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE WITH BLACK

>> 這是我應該和黑衣人有的那個。

PEOPLE?

人？

IT'S NOT THE SUBJECT I THOUGHT.

這不是我想的主題。

>> YOU WERE SO AFRAID OF IT.

>> 你是如此害怕它。

>> Stephen: THIS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF FUN, OKAY.

>> 史蒂芬：這實際上是一種樂趣，好嗎。

>> YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS MONTHS AGO.

>> 你本該在幾個月前就有這個的。

I WAS TRYING TO TELL YOU WHEN YOU WEREN'T RETURNING MY CALLS.

我想告訴你，當你不回我的電話。

IF YOU WERE NERVOUS, YOU THOUGHT I WAS CALLING YOU TO HAVE THE

如果你是神經病，你會以為我在叫你去吃藥。

TALK.

說話。

> Stephen: OKAY.

> Stephen:好的

WHAT HAPPENS NOW.

現在發生的事情。

ON THE COUNT OF THREE I'LL SAY PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN.

數到三，我就會說："總統選舉比登"。

REMEMBER YOUR CARD?

還記得你的卡嗎？

>> Stephen: YES.

>> Stephen:是的。

ONE, TWO, THREE PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN!

一、二、三... ...總統選舉比登!

>> Stephen: WHOA!

>> Stephen:哇！

IS THAT THE CARD?

是那張卡嗎？

>> Stephen: THAT IS.

>> Stephen:這就是。

THAT IS ACTUALLY IMPRESSIVE.

這是真正令人印象深刻的。

THAT'S IMPRESSIVE TO ME EVEN IF YOU KNEW WHAT MY CARD WAS JUST

即使你知道我的卡是什麼，我也覺得很有意思

THAT YOU COULD DO THAT IS IMPRESSIVE TO ME.

你能做到這一點，讓我印象深刻。

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

>> 這就是我說的。

>> Stephen: WOW.

>> Stephen:WOW。

THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE HAD TO HAVE, STEPHEN, RIGHT

這就是我們必須要進行的對話，史蒂芬，對嗎？

THERE.

在那裡。

>> Stephen: I'M SORRY I PUT IT OFF FOR SO LONG, LARRY, AND FOR

>> 對不起，我把它延後了這麼久，LARRY，而且為了。

ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WHITE PEOPLE ARE SORRY FOR.

所有其他的事情，白種人是遺憾的。

FOLKS, YOU CAN CATCH A NEW EPISODE OF WILMER THIS SATURDAY

夥計們，你可以看到一個新的劇集威爾默本週六。

ON PEACOCK.

在PEACOCK上。

LARRY WILMORE, EVERYBODY.

拉里-威爾摩爾，大家好

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