My next guest tonight is a Grammy Award winning rock star and best selling author who is the lead singer of Wilco.

我今晚的下一位嘉賓是獲得格萊美獎的搖滾明星和暢銷書作家，他是Wilco樂隊的主唱。

Please welcome back to late Show your friend Jeff Tweedy.

請歡迎回來晚秀你的朋友傑夫-特威迪。

Hello?

喂？

Jeff Tweedy.

傑夫-特威迪

Hello.

你好啊

Good to see you.

很高興見到你

Good to see you.

很高興見到你

Glad to be here.

很高興來到這裡。

You look like you're ready to mix an album right now.

你看起來像你已經準備好混合一張專輯了。

That's right.

是的

I'm where I'm in my natural habitat.

我在我的自然棲息地。

I guess.

我想也是

Actually, a sound studio is actually fairly safe from co vid cause you got the sealed doors and everything.

實際上，錄音室其實是相當安全的，因為你有密封的門和一切。

It's kind of like an airlock.

這有點像一個氣閘。

We're Yeah.

我們是啊。

We're prepared for quarantine.

我們已經做好了隔離的準備。

A total times at all times.

一共次在任何時候。

Yeah.

是啊。

Now, in March, while quarantine, your family started something called the Tweety Show.

現在，在3月份，在隔離期間，你的家人開始了一個叫 "翠翠秀 "的東西。

Um uh, A couple of things.

嗯，呃，幾件事。

I'll get the first question in just a moment.

我馬上就會得到第一個問題。

But first this This was my first show in quarantine.

但首先是這個，這是我第一次在隔離區表演。

Right there.

就在那裡。

There's me in a bathtub.

有我在浴缸裡。

Here's your first show in quarantine in a bathtub.

這是你第一次在浴缸裡進行檢疫表演。

First of all, great minds think alike.

首先，偉大的思想是一致的。

E didn't know you could wear a suit.

我不知道你可以穿西裝。

I would I would have.

我會的，我會的。

I would have worn it only once.

我只會穿一次。

You can only wear a suit once then you have to give it away.

西裝只能穿一次就得送人。

I love that you're actually you're selling some tickets with sex right here.

我喜歡你，其實你... ...你在這裡賣一些票與性。

Yeah, that's good.

是的，這是很好的。

And actually, it Ah, yeah, Leave them.

事實上，它 啊，是的，離開他們。

Wanting less is my motto.

想要的少是我的座右銘。

Well, what is the Tweety show for the uninitiated you've done, you've done How, Maney?

那麼，對於不瞭解的人來說，你做過的特威秀是什麼，你做過如何，馬尼？

Now 110 110.

現在是110 110

Okay, Yeah.

好吧，是的。

Somebody wants to tune in.

有人想調入。

What are they going to get?

他們會得到什麼？

Well, it's on my wife's instagram stuff in our house.

嗯，這是在我妻子的instagram的東西在我們家。

Okay, it's ah, And Wilco was on tour.

好吧，這是啊，和Wilco是在巡演。

When everything got locked down and the tour got canceled, we came home.

當所有的東西都被鎖住了 巡演被取消後，我們就回家了。

Uh, Susie has a really good relationship with the fans online and stuff.

呃，蘇西和網上的粉絲關係很好，什麼的。

And she was telling me how how, how, how much people are already missing that connection and so sad about this shows that they were going to go to and s.

而她告訴我，人們已經如何如何，如何如何，已經錯過了這種聯繫，如此悲傷的這個節目，他們要去和s。

So she came over this idea of, like, maybe we could just, you know, a lot of them follow her on her instagram.

所以她來過這個想法，喜歡， 也許我們可以，你知道， 很多人關注她的instagram。

So maybe we could just reach, reach out to them a little bit and have a little live instagram show.

所以，也許我們可以接觸、接觸他們一下，然後在instagram上做一個小小的直播節目。

And I said, Okay, well, we can try it, and then she got so depressed one day that she wouldn't get out of bed, you know, and And we were supposed to start this show, and and I just said, You know what?

我說，好吧，我們可以嘗試一下， 然後她得到了這麼鬱悶 一天，她不會起床，你知道， 我們應該開始這個節目， 我只是說，你知道嗎？

I'm going to take a bath If you want to do this show, that's where I'll be on it.

我去洗個澡，如果你想做這個節目，我就去那裡。

Got her, cheered her up a little bit, which made me feel good.

得到了她，讓她高興了一下，這讓我感覺很好。

And she got out of bed and started filming me in the tub.

然後她下床開始拍我在浴缸裡的樣子。

And before you knew it, there were a couple 100 people there already, and and it felt it felt really, uh um so that it was felt miraculous to be able to have that connection with that many people so immediately, it felt it felt right really fast that it was, You know, it's a nice thing to do to have some routine and normalcy and to just, you know, maintain this connection.

在你知道之前，有一對夫婦 100人在那裡已經， 和它覺得它覺得真的，呃嗯 所以，它是覺得神奇的能夠有 連接與許多人 所以立即，它覺得它覺得正確的 真的很快，這是，你知道，這是一個很好的事情做 有一些常規和正常的，只是，你知道， 保持這種連接。

That was really obvious.

這真的很明顯。

I think early on, even that it wasn't wasn't gonna be something that we have in our lives for a long time.

我想，早期，即使它不是 是不是要去的東西，我們在我們的生活很長一段時間。

Well, you said 201 110 shows you've done so far.

好吧，你說201 110個節目你已經做了這麼多。

But you you also recently performed at a drive in concert on September 18th.

但你你最近還在9月18日的開車音樂會上表演。

How did it feel to play somewhere other than your couch or your tub for the first time since March?

3月以來第一次在沙發或浴缸以外的地方玩，感覺如何？

Oh, man.

哦，夥計。

Well, we were really, really looking forward to it.

好吧，我們真的，真的很期待。

It was, You know, I knew it was gonna be weird.

我就知道會很奇怪。

I'm I'm really prepared for weird.

我我真的準備好了奇怪。

Uh, but then Ruth Bader Ginsburg died that night about an hour when we were supposed to go on stage.

但當晚露絲-巴德-金斯伯格死了 就在我們要上臺的一小時前

And, you know, it was a beautiful night.

而且，你知道，這是一個美麗的夜晚。

It was a little cold, but, uh, you know, it was like a It just felt almost wrong to go.

有點冷，但是，你知道，就像... ...感覺幾乎不應該去。

They'll play, And, uh, we were looking forward to it so much.

他們會玩，和，呃，我們期待著它這麼多。

I was so happy.

我很高興。

And then it was like all of a sudden, everybody's crying and it was It was a It was a hard moment.

然後就像突然間，每個人都在哭，這是一個 這是一個艱難的時刻。

And, uh, my kids were gonna you know, it was like playing the show with my kids also.

而且，呃，我的孩子們要去... ...你知道，這就像玩的表演與我的孩子也。

So I was a dad in this moment of crisis and a person about to play music for people, and, um uh, I just I don't know, I'm really happy that I've had a lot of time in front of audiences and a lot of experiences in my life where I didn't feel like getting up and playing music cause I felt terrible for whatever reason, because I was able to tell the kids that, um, if you get up, you can get through the first couple of songs.

所以，我是一個父親在這個危機時刻和一個人的人玩音樂的人，和，嗯，呃，我只是我不知道，我真的很高興，我有很多時間在觀眾面前和很多的經驗，在我的生活中，我沒有覺得像起床，玩音樂，因為我覺得可怕的原因，因為我能夠告訴孩子們，嗯，如果你站起來，你可以通過前幾首歌。

Uh, music will heal you.

呃，音樂會治癒你。

You know, this is really, really sad.

你知道，這是真的，真的很傷心。

It's really tragic.

真的很慘。

It's not gonna make that go away.

它不會讓它消失。

But it's going to make you realize that you can transcend this.

但它會讓你意識到，你可以超越這一切。

And, um, you know, we talked about how brave Ruth Bader Ginsburg was in her life and how she had faced so much.

而且，嗯，你知道，我們談到了露絲-巴德-金斯伯格在她的生活中是多麼的勇敢，她是如何面對這麼多。

Uh, I don't know, in terms of her health, in terms of being the you know what the A.

呃，我不知道，在她的健康方面，在被你知道什麼是A。

Nikon of, ah, political ideology that was at odds with a large portion of our culture or whatever.

尼康的，啊，政治意識形態，與我們的大部分文化或什麼的不一致。

Whatever you know, she had gone through.

不管你知道什麼，她都經歷過。

I felt like we should be able to summon enough courage to go place, Um, some folk songs and it did, and I'll never forget it, because it was it was really amazing how it did work.

我覺得我們應該能夠鼓起足夠的勇氣去地方，嗯，一些民歌，它做到了，我永遠不會忘記它，因為它是... ...這是真的很神奇，它是如何工作的。

It did.

確實如此。

Music is, uh it is just so so healing and and it was being reminded of that all over again.

音樂是，呃，它只是如此，所以治癒和它被提醒了一遍。

That recently has been been incredibly healing for me, too, because you have so many opportunities to, like be entertained in so many different ways today.

最近對我來說也是不可思議的治癒，因為你有這麼多的機會，比如說今天以這麼多不同的方式被娛樂。

And especially if you get obsessed with the news like Ideo.

尤其是當你像Ideo一樣迷戀新聞的時候。

Sometimes I forget what music has has waiting for you if you just give it the time and that it's and it's and it's, um, it's in define a ble, but on the other side of it, you're better, right?

有時候，我忘了什麼音樂已經有等著你，如果你只是給它的時間，它的，它的和它的，嗯，它是在定義一個出血，但在它的另一面，你是更好的，對不對？

Well, I mean, I have an anxiety disorder, and and in my life, I've dealt with a lot of, um, moments pre going on stage where I didn't feel like I was.

好吧，我的意思是，我有一個焦慮症， 並在我的生活中，我已經處理了很多， 嗯，時刻前去舞臺上，我不覺得自己是。

You know, I belong there.

你知道，我屬於那裡。

I I don't know.

我... 我不知道

I'm not gonna be able to do this.

我不能這樣做。

How can I possibly do this?

我怎麼可能做到這一點？

So I had that repeatedly, uh, confirmed reconfirmed over and over again to me in my life that I could get up If I could get myself to this stage, it's gonna be pretty amazing, uh, to me within a few minutes, within songs that I'm gonna feel like myself again and it's all it always works it z pretty pretty, Uh, miraculously, I think it's the only word I can come up with it for.

所以，我一再確認，嗯，確認再確認，在我的生活中，我可以站起來，如果我可以讓自己到這個階段，這將是非常驚人的，嗯，對我來說，在幾分鐘內，在歌曲，我會覺得自己再次，這一切，它總是工作，它Z漂亮，嗯，奇蹟般的，我想這是唯一的詞，我可以用它來形容。

Well, you've managed to produce another album in covert quarantine.

好吧，你已經設法制作另一張專輯 在祕密隔離。

It's called Love Is the King.

它叫《愛是王道》。

It's your third solo album.

這是你的第三張個人專輯。

How did you start working on it?

你是怎麼開始研究它的？

In quarantine?

在隔離區？

What was your inspiration?

你的靈感來源是什麼？

Um, well, I think my normal way of coping is to write music and write and be, you know, try and do something creative.

嗯，好吧，我想我正常的應對方式 是寫音樂，寫，是，你知道，嘗試做一些創造性的事情。

But I think when you know the weight of this was all hitting me at the beginning of the pandemic, I really wanted to write country songs.

但我想，當你知道這一切的重量都是在流行病開始的時候打擊我，我真的想寫鄉村歌曲。

I wanted to write country, uh, country songs because it's like comfort, comfort food.

我想寫鄉村，呃，鄉村歌曲 因為它就像舒適，舒適的食物。

To me, folk music country music is, I guess, at the core of how I think about music.

對我來說，國樂鄉村音樂是我思考音樂的核心吧。

And it just felt, uh, I don't know, very, very comforting to me.

它只是覺得，呃，我不知道， 非常，非常安慰我。

And then I started sharing them with my friends Nick Offerman and George Saunders.

然後我開始和我的朋友尼克-奧弗曼和喬治-桑德斯分享。

And so initially group of guys, Well, we have a We have a group text that I was just, uh we had we had talked about how King Lear was written when Shakespeare was in quarantine.

所以最初一群人， 好了，我們有一個我們有一個組的文本，我只是，呃，我們有我們已經談到了李爾王是如何寫的，當莎士比亞是在隔離。

That's that's what I heard.

這就是我聽到的。

I don't know if it's true.

我不知道這是不是真的。

And so I told them I was gonna write a country album called King Lear, and I started writing a song a day and sharing it with them.

於是我告訴他們，我要寫一張鄉村專輯，叫《李爾王》，我開始每天寫一首歌，並與他們分享。

And, um, then when everything kind of settled down enough for us to figure out whether or not we could go to the studio safely or not, my kids and I started coming and recording the songs.

然後，嗯，當一切都安定下來，足以讓我們弄清楚 我們是否可以去工作室安全與否， 我的孩子和我開始來錄製歌曲。

I had been writing one a day and but it was really just kind of, you know, just trying to entertain George and and Nick initially, I really, you know, was entertaining myself, but also just wanted to sharing one of wanting to share it with someone.

我一直在寫一個一天，但它真的只是一種， 你知道，只是想娛樂喬治和和尼克最初， 我真的，你知道，是娛樂我自己，但也只是想 分享一個想與人分享。

I understand that George Saunders is featured on one song, A Robin and Ren.

據我所知，喬治-桑德斯在一首《羅賓與仁》中出現過。

What?

什麼？

What did George contribute?

喬治貢獻了什麼？

Hey, contributed.

嘿，貢獻了。

Sometimes I would send a song before I had all the lyrics finished.

有時我還沒把所有的歌詞寫完就會發一首歌。

And so I sent him that song.

於是我把那首歌發給了他。

He asked what the lyrics were, and I had a couple of lines that I didn't have.

他問我歌詞是什麼，我有幾句沒有。

So I always put question marks and then he would send it back with those lines filled in, and and, uh, I'm gonna try that.

所以我總是放上問號，然後他就會把那些線條填好後送回來，然後，呃，我要試試。

I'm gonna send him some.

我會給他寄一些。

I'm gonna send him some setups with no punch lines and see what I could get.

我要給他發一些沒有笑點的設置，看看我能得到什麼。

See, I Yeah, Well, yeah.

你看，我是啊，嗯，是啊。

You'll be surprised.

你會驚訝的。

Let's do that.

就這麼辦吧

George could write any of my monologue.

喬治可以寫我的任何獨白。

You also have the new Yeah.

你也有新的耶。

No, he wrote back.

不，他回信了。

Yeah.

是啊。

Hey, would send me songs, too, And I wrote some, wrote some of his songs.

嘿，會送我的歌曲，太， 我寫了一些，寫了一些他的歌曲。

So when his record comes out, uh, there'll be some copyright issues.

所以，當他的記錄出來， 呃，會有一些版權問題。

Is it true that you met Georgia at the last show of the Colbert Report?

你真的在《科爾伯特報告》的最後一場演出中遇到了喬治亞嗎？

Yeah, I was in a room with you.

是的，我和你在一個房間裡。

It's like there were a million people there, as you remember, And they put me in a room with, uh, Christian Amanpour and a bunch of really cool people.

這就像有一百萬人在那裡， 你還記得， 他們把我放在一個房間裡， 呃，克里斯蒂安Amanpour和一堆 真的很酷的人。

It was a weird cluster.

這是一個奇怪的集群。

It would be like Henry Kissinger and Big Bird and Sam Jackson or somebody.

這就像亨利-基辛格和大鳥和山姆-傑克遜或某人一樣。

Katie Couric came in and was getting all intense with everybody making us learn this song that we were going to sing together, and I kind of I kind of snuck out toe to see if I could meet George Saunders because he was I knew he was in the room.

凱蒂-庫裡克進來了，大家都在緊張地讓我們學這首歌，我們要一起唱，我有點... ...我悄悄地溜出去，看看能不能見到喬治-桑德斯，因為他... ...我知道他在房間裡。

Next doors and he was sneaking out to meet me, which was really, really sweet.

隔壁，他還偷偷跑出來見我，真的很貼心。

It's what I think that's what was happening.

我想就是這樣的情況。

And he actually said to me, Okay, well, then we're gonna have to be pals.

而他居然對我說，好吧，那我們就得做朋友了。

Oh, that's great.

哦，那是偉大的。

You also have, Ah, new book here.

你也有，啊，新書在這裡。

A lot of product putting out a lot, pumping out a lot of product from Tweety Inc How to write one song.

很多產品放出很多，抽出很多產品，從特威公司怎麼寫一首歌。

Congratulations.

恭喜你啊

It's the New York Times bestseller.

這是《紐約時報》的暢銷書。

But you've written, released over 300 songs.

但你寫了300多首歌曲，發佈了300多首歌曲。

Why just one song?

為什麼只有一首歌？

What's the What's the Secret?

什麼是什麼祕密？

Why just one, uh, mhm.

為什麼只有一個，嗯，嗯。

Well, my, my my go to joke is that I want everybody to by the by the book each time they want to write a song.

好吧，我的，我的，我的，我的去笑話是，我想每個人都通過按書每次他們想寫一首歌。

But e, I think that, I think because I've written so many songs, um, I wanted a way to organize my thoughts about it, and I came up with that title, a za way to kind of remind myself what it is that I actually dio.

但是，我認為，我認為，因為我已經寫了這麼多的歌曲，嗯，我想一個方法來組織我的想法，我想出了這個標題，一種扎的方式來提醒自己，它是什麼，我其實dio。

I don't write songs.

我不寫歌。

I write, I write a song and then I write another song, and, um, I thought that would be really helpful to people to kind of be reminded that that Z that's what's really happening.

我寫，我寫了一首歌，然後我寫了另一首歌，而且，嗯，我想這將是真正的幫助的人，那種被提醒，Z這是真正發生的事情。

You're never writing songs.

你從來沒有寫過歌。

You, uh you You take it as it comes and you forget how to do it.

你，呃... ...你把它當作是它的到來，你忘了如何做到這一點。

And then you have to teach yourself again in the book.

然後又要在書上自學。

You say that you get inspiration for your lyrics in your song, writing from anything?

你說你的歌詞靈感來自於你的歌曲，寫作的靈感來自於什麼？

Yeah, e mean almost anything.

是的，我的意思是幾乎所有的東西。

Yeah, even even, like, even like one of your monologues.

是啊，甚至，甚至像，甚至像你的獨白之一。

I heard this.

我聽說過這個。

I heard that there was something I said in the monologue that inspired you to write a song or even part of a song.

聽說我在獨白中說了一些話，啟發你寫了一首歌，甚至是一首歌的一部分。

I think we have the clip of the opening of that monologue.

我想我們有那段獨白開頭的片段。

Jim, I am your host, Stephen Colbert, and we are live.

吉姆，我是你的主人，斯蒂芬・科爾伯特，我們正在直播。

Where is the thing is it's a live anywhere live following the final presidential debate of 2020 tonight was like getting our last wisdom tooth taking out.

哪裡是什麼事情是它是一個直播的任何地方直播以下2020年的最後一場總統辯論今晚就像讓我們最後一顆智齒取出來。

Yes, it hurt.

是的，很疼。

And yes, we can still taste the blood in our mouths.

是的，我們還能嚐到嘴裡的血腥味。

This is also the last chance for Trump to be seen by millions of eyeballs for free.

這也是特朗普最後一次被百萬眼球免費看到的機會。

And that's important because he's hurting for cash.

這一點很重要，因為他很缺錢。

And so and then that inspired you to write a song.

然後，然後這啟發你寫了一首歌。

Yeah, I just I thought it would be good to illustrate one of the exercises in the book.

是啊，我只是覺得這將是很好的說明書中的一個練習。

And so this is just from a little little section of your your monologue.

所以這只是你的獨白中的一小部分。

Okay, I'm your host.

好吧，我是你的主人。

Taste the blood.

嚐嚐血的味道。

Tonight's tooth was the last.

今晚的牙齒是最後一顆。

It's for the best.

這是最好的。

Hope is free, But to me it seems to be not as free when you heard in full cash hurting full cash when you're full cash e don't know something like that.

希望是免費的，但對我來說，它似乎沒有免費的，當你聽到在全現金傷害全現金時，你是全現金e不知道這樣的東西。

It was e didn't get very far.

它是e沒有得到很遠。

I smell a hit.

我聞到了一股味道

E smell ahead it Zettel!

E聞到了前方的Zettel！

All right.

好吧，我知道了

Um Well, Jeff, thanks so much for being here.

嗯 好吧，傑夫，非常感謝你能來這裡。

The book, as I said, is how to write one song.

我說過，這本書，就是如何寫一首歌。

Theobald, um is love is the king and the man is Jeff Tweedy.

Theobald，嗯是愛是國王，而這個人是Jeff Tweedy。

Thanks, Jeff.

謝謝，傑夫