in the style of comedy that you present

以你的喜劇風格

as opposed to what Conan O'Brien presents?

相對於柯南-奧布萊恩所呈現的？

I mean, I think we're exactly the same.

我的意思是，我認為我們是完全一樣的。

If he ever retires there's just like

如果他退役了，就會有像

this knack (speaker drowned by laughter)

這手藝

(laughs)

（笑）

waiting in the wings.

伺機而動。

(laughing)

（笑）

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

[Narrator] A lot of work goes into a short,

[旁白]很多工作都要在短篇裡進行。

late night stand upset.

深夜站立不安。

Join me, JP Buck as I spotlight the comedians

加入我，JP Buck，我將聚焦喜劇演員

who came up with some of my favorite point sets.

誰想出了一些我最喜歡的點套。

This is, The setup.

這是，設置。

[ Announcer] Please welcome back to the show.

歡迎回到節目現場

Very funny, Jena Friedman.

非常有趣，Jena Friedman。

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

Your first said focused on,

你的第一個說專注於。

I mean, it was sexual assault and took on Nazis.

我的意思是，它是性侵犯，並採取了納粹。

Yeah.

是啊。

And I would actually say,

而我其實想說。

that this one was even tougher to pull off.

這一次更難成功。

This one was a lot tougher to pull off weirdly enough.

這個是比較難辦的，怪不得。

Yes.

是的，我知道

I think the last one was a little,

我覺得最後一個有點。

it started off a little delicate.

它開始有點微妙。

I'm actually half man

其實我是半個人

(crowd laughing)

（眾人笑）

on my dad's side.

在我爸爸的身邊。

(crowd laughing)

（眾人笑）

So,

所以，

with this one the subject matters so morbid

繞口令

and I couldn't even imagine it ever going on late night,

我甚至無法想象它曾經在深夜進行。

but I think you were like, let's try it.

但我想你是喜歡， 讓我們來試試。

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

I think as female comics,

我認為作為女漫畫家。

it's such like we're all so like what do we wear?

它是這樣的喜歡我們都這麼喜歡 我們穿什麼？

How do we dress?

我們怎麼穿衣服？

How do we look cool, but not intimidating.

我們怎樣才能看起來很酷，但又不嚇人。

And how do we look likable but not like schlubby?

那我們怎麼才能讓自己看起來既討人喜歡又不像笨蛋呢？

All these dumb things that take up space.

所有這些愚蠢的東西，佔據了空間。

My only regret,

我唯一的遺憾。

I wish I had worn like a pastel color shirt

我希望我穿的是粉色的襯衫。

or just something a little softer.

或者只是一些更柔軟的東西。

I feel like wearing black, talking about murder

我想穿黑色衣服，談論謀殺

just like there's a lot.

就像有很多。

That hairstyle was so nice.

那個髮型真好看。

And she put my hair back.

她把我的頭髮放回去。

Cause I had it in just like a ponytail.

因為我把它紮成了馬尾辮。

And she was like,

而她就像。

don't do this cause it'll look weird.

不要這樣做，因為它會看起來很奇怪。

And the first thing I did just out of nerves, it's so dumb.

而我做的第一件事，只是出於緊張，實在是太笨了。

I'm sorry I'm talking about that.

對不起，我說的是這個。

But that was what I was thinking about

但這正是我所想的

as I'm like delivering massage and murder.

因為我像送按摩和謀殺。

I'm like, what does my hair look like?

我想，我的頭髮是什麼樣子的？

(laughing)

（笑）

(air whooshing)

（空氣嗖嗖）

Hi it's so nice to be here.

嗨，能來這裡真好。

The news is pretty depressing lately.

最近的新聞挺壓抑的。

So to lighten the mood, I've started watching, "True crime."

所以為了緩解心情，我開始看 "真實犯罪"。

(crowd laughing)

（眾人笑）

You've all seen "Making a murder."

你們都看過 "製造謀殺 "吧。

If you haven't, it's a documentary

如果你沒看過，那是一部紀錄片。

about how a woman's death made so much money for Netflix.

關於一個女人的死是如何為Netflix賺了這麼多錢。

(crowd laughing)

（眾人笑）

and then the podcasts, Their cereal,

然後是播客，他們的麥片。

My favorite murder, Missing and Murdered, Up and Vanished,

我最喜歡的謀殺案，《失蹤與被害》《起死回生》。

Wine and Crime, White Wine, True Crime, True Crime Brewery,

酒與罪，白酒，真罪，真罪酒廠。

True Crime all the time, What the crime, Crime town,

真正的犯罪一直，什麼犯罪，犯罪的城市。

Crime junkie, Cold Case killer

犯罪狂人，冷案殺手

and things to live and die in LA.

以及在洛杉磯生活和死亡的事情。

Someone knows something, Man in the Window,

有人知道些什麼，窗外的人。

Body and the more

身體和越

(crowds cheering and clapping)

（眾人歡呼鼓掌）

Southern crime, True-Crime, Junk women's solving crime

南方犯罪、真實犯罪、垃圾婦女破案。

which I'm actually on pretty cool.

其實我在挺酷的。

These are just a couple

這只是一對夫婦

of this American death doesn't exist yet

這種美國式的死亡還不存在

but that's gonna be my retirement plan.

但這將是我的退休計劃。

How long could you have actually made that joke?

你到底能開多久的玩笑？

At the time I had like a whole page back front

當時我有一整頁的後方的前臺

and back of just different podcasts

和後面的只是不同的播客

and I had done it in different country

我在不同的國家做過

I did it in Edinburgh.

我在愛丁堡做的。

And so it just like, the timing is slightly different

所以，它只是喜歡，時間是略有不同的

and every crowd is slightly different.

而每個人群都略有不同。

So, and then there are some podcasts

所以，然後有一些播客

like Southern Fried True Crime

如《南方炒股真凶》

which is just a funny phrase.

這只是一個有趣的短語。

So it's like, but the timing always was different

所以，這就像，但時間總是不同的。

depending on the crowd when to get out of it and when not?

根據人群的情況，什麼時候出手，什麼時候不出手？

But yeah.

但是，是的。

I mean, I think I could have done a five minute set.

我的意思是，我想我可以做一個5分鐘的設置。

(laughing)

（笑）

Which it just goes to prove your point.

這正好證明了你的觀點。

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

I didn't realize how obsessed America was

我不知道美國人有多痴迷

with dead white women in particular,

特別是與死去的白人婦女。

until it occurred to me

直到我想到

that Ted Bundy has two Netflix specials

泰德-邦迪有兩部Netflix的特別節目。

and yeah I'm jealous.

是的，我很嫉妒。

I don't know if you've seen the Ted Bundy tapes.

我不知道你是否看過泰德邦迪的錄像帶。

I keep wanting to call them the Ted Bundy mixed tapes

我一直想叫他們泰德-邦迪的混合錄音帶

something about the graphic design.

關於平面設計的東西。

It's just so seventies.

它只是如此七十年代。

So retro it almost,

所以復古得差不多了。

it's like they want to make you a nostalgic for an era

就像他們想讓你懷念一個時代一樣。

when men could just murder women and get away with it

當男人可以隨便殺女人而逍遙法外時

because there was no Google earth.

因為當時沒有谷歌地球。

And then

然後

(crowds laughing)

（眾人笑）

I tend to do that sometimes where you throw out your line

我有時也會這樣做，在那裡你扔出你的線。

and then quickly move on

揚長而去

and almost don't allow them to laugh.

並幾乎不允許他們笑。

Is that something that you do on purpose?

這是你故意做的事情嗎？

Is that like a conscious decision?

這像是一個有意識的決定嗎？

I think being a female in comedy for 15 years

我覺得做了15年的喜劇女演員了

you just can't ever expect the audience

人云亦云

to be rooting for you.

為你加油

So I think, or maybe just my own personal experience.

所以我想，或者只是我個人的經驗。

I pad it with so many jokes that I just am like,

我墊了這麼多笑話，我只是喜歡。

blah, blah blah. Okay.

諸如此類，諸如此類。好吧。

Laugh, or don't laugh, I don't care.

笑，或者不笑，我都無所謂。

I'm like, I'm going, I'm still going.

我想，我要去，我還是要去。

Like you don't, you know

就像你不一樣，你知道的

I never just walk on stage and people will be like

我從來沒有隻是走在舞臺上，人們會像。

yeah, you know, like it's very different.

是的，你知道，像 它是非常不同的。

It's like defensive comedy.

這就像防守型喜劇。

The scripted movie on Netflix,

腳本電影在Netflix上。

starring Zac Efron written and directed by men

主演：扎克-埃夫隆 編劇、導演：男方

where they made the craziest person in that movie.

他們在那裡做了最瘋狂的人在那部電影。

Carole Ann Boone.

Carole Ann Boone.

The woman who dated Ted Bundy while he was in prison.

泰德-邦迪在獄中時約會的女人。

They made Carole look so much crazier

他們讓Carole看起來更瘋狂了

than a man who murdered 30 people.

比一個謀殺30人的人。

(crowd laughing)

（眾人笑）

And I was watching that thinking,

而我在看的時候就在想。

Carole Ann is not crazy.

卡羅爾-安沒有瘋。

She's just a woman dating in her thirties.

她只是一個三十多歲的女人約會。

(crowd laughing and clapping)

（眾人笑著鼓掌）

Carole Ann's crazy?

卡洛安瘋了？

Carole Ann's crazy.

Carole Ann瘋了。

Really?

真的嗎？

What does that say about all the men outside of prison?

這說明監獄外的男人都是什麼人？

She would have dated, but Ted Bundy was nicer to her.

她本來可以約會，但泰德邦迪對她更好。

(crowd laughing)

（眾人笑）

There's a lot there.

那裡有很多東西。

And I really love that.

我真的很喜歡這樣。

I just heard my friend Ruth left.

我剛剛聽說我的朋友露絲離開了

(both laughing)

（兩個笑）

I see where your focus is.

我知道你的重點在哪裡了。

No, my focus is not in the content

不，我的重點不在內容上

because I sit with the content for so long.

因為我坐了這麼久的內容。

My focus on the content for like six months or however long

我對內容的關注度大概有半年或者多久的時間。

it takes you to write this chunk

你需要寫這塊

that when it's time to perform it

該出手時就出手

the last thing you want you're in autopilot.

你最不希望的事情 你在自動駕駛儀。

Carole Ann care Bear just wanted to meet a guy

卡羅爾安關心熊只是想滿足一個人。

who wasn't gonna ghost her after she slept with him.

誰也不會在她和他睡了之後再去找她。

It's hard to ghost someone from jail.

監獄裡的人很難有鬼。

(crowd laughing)

（眾人笑）

unless you're Jeff Epstein.

除非你是Jeff Epstein

(crowd shouting and cheering)

（人群喊叫和歡呼）

it's not like he killed himself, you guys.

它不喜歡他自殺，你們。

(crowd laughing)

（眾人笑）

Backstage before the show,

演出前的後臺。

you still were tinkering with the wording of that joke.

你還在修飾那個笑話的措辭。

I mean, I wrote that Epstein tag

我的意思是，我寫的愛潑斯坦標籤

like five minutes before I went on stage.

就像我上臺前的五分鐘。

Remember I was like, it's funny?

還記得我當時說，這很有趣嗎？

(laughs)

（笑）

Which I wanna say this is a compliment.

我想說這是一種讚美。

That my favorite thing about this set, is that tag.

我最喜歡的就是這一套，就是那個標籤。

It really is.

真的是這樣。

I mean, the tags are supposed to be disposable

我的意思是，標籤應該是一次性的。

in front of you easily throw away.

在你面前輕易地扔掉。

And that tag is really for me.

而這個標籤是真的適合我。

What makes this it's a cherry on top of this set,

是什麼原因讓它成為這套設備中的一個櫻桃。

(laughing)

（笑）

I mean, rarely do you wanna get groans from an audience,

我的意思是，你很少想從觀眾那裡得到呻吟。

But come on. I got to say, that's gotta be pretty.

但是，來吧，我得說，這一定是漂亮的。我不得不說，這一定是漂亮的。

I think groans are honestly we could get into it,

我覺得呻吟是老實說我們可以進入它。

but I think groans are cooler than laughs.

但我覺得呻吟聲比笑聲更酷。

Because especially when you do club comedy for a long time,

因為特別是當你長期做俱樂部喜劇的時候。

there's a rhythm and a formula to getting laughs.

有一個節奏和公式 獲得笑聲。

If you can invoke, invoke, evoke, I don't know.

如果你能調用，調用，喚起，我不知道。

Another kind of visceral reaction from people.

另一種是人們的內臟反應。

I love groans.

我喜歡呻吟。

I'll take a groan cause that means they're still with you.

我會接受一個呻吟，因為這意味著他們還在你身邊。

They're just uncomfortable

他們只是不舒服

which is a good, which is really why I do what I do.

這是一個很好的，這也是我為什麼要做的真正原因。

(both laughing)

（兩個笑）

The docu series was even worse

紀錄片系列更糟糕

because there was all this archival footage

因為有所有這些檔案資料

of Ted Bundy in the courtroom

泰德-邦迪在法庭上的發言

with all the police officers and Ted was just killing it.

與所有的警察和泰德只是殺了它。

(crowd laughing)

（眾人笑）

That's comedian slang for slaughtering.

那是喜劇演員的俚語，意思是屠殺。

He murdered in that courtroom,

他在那個法庭上殺人了。

he basically slayed.

他基本上殺了。

He had all the cops just doubled over in stitches

他把所有的警察都打得滿地找牙了。

laughing at not even jokes and the lights were on

笑得連笑話都沒有，還開著燈。

and his audience was giving him way more love

和他的觀眾給他更多的愛

than you guys are giving me for this bit.

比你們給我的這個位。

(audience laughing)

（觀眾笑）

I love that that's pre-planned.

我喜歡那是預先計劃好的。

Cause you know what's (indistinct) this.

因為你知道什麼是（模糊）這個。

I know that every audience I did this set for, freaked out

我知道我為之表演的每一位觀眾，都被嚇壞了

and also this set was like in my hour show,

也是這一套就像在我的小時秀。

"Miscarriage of Justice."

"誤判"。

And it was like towards the end.

而且就像在最後。

So I had never done this set just cold.

所以我從來沒有做過這套只是冷門。

Like you don't know me.

就像你不認識我一樣

Here or this guy?

這裡還是這個人？

The guy never told her.

那個傢伙從來沒有告訴她。

Ted Bundy were alive today,

泰德邦迪今天還活著

He'd be on his third Netflix special.

他將在他的第三個Netflix特別節目中。

It would be his apology tour.

這將是他的道歉之旅。

(audience laughing)

（觀眾笑）

And he'd be traveling around the country

而他會在全國各地旅行

being like,

正在像。

'When my friends and I realized it was wrong to kill women,

'當我和我的朋友們意識到殺女人是錯誤的。

we found some (Indistinct) about it.'

我們發現了一些（模糊不清）關於它的。

(audience laughing)

（觀眾笑）

You and I know what news it comes next.

你我都知道接下來會有什麼消息。

Forgetting the person I'm even teasing lightly.

忘了我連逗弄的人都輕描淡寫。

It is crazy to me all the kind of meet you people

對我來說，你們這些人真是瘋了。

who get apology tours

誰得到道歉旅遊

and I just kind of wanted to tease them about it.

我只是有點想戲弄他們。

Or I'm just saying what he said, you know,

或者我只是說他說的，你知道的。

but with Ted Bundy.

但是和泰德邦迪一起

I didn't appreciate how the cops painted Ted Bundy

我不喜歡警察對泰德邦迪的描述

as a criminal mastermind.

作為一個犯罪主謀。

He wasn't a criminal mastermind.

他不是一個犯罪的主謀。

He was white and they weren't looking for him.

他是白種人，他們沒有在找他。

(audience laughing and clapping)

（觀眾笑著鼓掌）

I'm not saying cops are racist,

我不是說警察是種族主義者。

just that maybe cops are as racist as comedians are funny.

只是也許警察和喜劇演員一樣，都是種族主義者。

(audience laughing)

（觀眾笑）

Not all comedians are funny,

並不是所有的喜劇演員都是搞笑的。

but if someone's like I'm a comedian and you were like,

但如果有人的喜歡我是一個喜劇演員，你是這樣的，

Oh, you're probably pretty funny.

哦，你可能很有趣。

(audience laughing)

（觀眾笑）

(speaking faintly)

（淡淡地說）

Where you just wait

在那裡你只是等待

and you're like, can you just make the connection?

你想，你能不能讓連接？

You don't have to do it for you.

你不必為你做。

(laughing)

（笑）

They made it.

他們做到了。

I mean, it's also crazy to see that joke in this moment.

我的意思是，在這一刻看到這個笑話也很瘋狂。

That's like, ah,

這就像，啊。

Ted Bundy also not an evil genius.