♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,

歡迎回來。

EVERYBODY.

每個人。

MY NEXT GUEST IS AN MSNBC ANALYST AND "NEW

我的下一位客人是MSNBC的分析員和 "新"。

YORK TIMES" BESTSELLING PRESIDENTIAL BIOGRAPHER.

紐約時報》最暢銷的總統傳記作家。

HIS LATEST BOOK, ON THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JIMMY CARTER, IS CALLED

他的最新著作《吉米-卡爾特的生活和經歷》被稱為《吉米-卡爾特的生活和經歷》。

"HIS VERY BEST."

"他最好的。"

PLEASE WELCOME TO "A LATE SHOW," JONATHAN ALTER.

歡迎來到 "晚間秀"，喬納森-阿爾特。

JON, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

喬恩，很高興見到你。

>> HI, STEPHEN.

>> 嗨，Stephen。

>> Stephen: PEOPLE OUT THERE DON'T KNOW, BUT FOR REASONS WE

>> Stephen:外面的人不知道，但出於我們的原因。

DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO RIGHT NOW, YOU WERE A PERSON WHO WAS A

不必進入現在，你是一個人誰是一個。

GREAT RESOURCE FOR ME OVER AT THE "COLBERT REPORT."

在 "科爾伯特報告 "上給我提供了很好的資源。

YOU GAVE US PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT HAPPENS HAPPENING POLITICALLY

你給了我們關於政治上發生的事情的觀點

FREQUENTLY ON THAT SHOW.

經常在那個節目上。

AND YOU HAVE A REAL VIEW ON THE HISTORY OF THE POLITICS IN

你對中國的政治歷史有一個真實的看法。

AMERICA.

美國：

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THE DEBATE WE SAW LAST NIGHT?

你有沒有看過像昨晚的辯論？

>> YOU KNOW, NO.

>> 你知道，沒有。

IT IS COMPLETELY UNPRECEDENTED.

它是完全沒有預兆的。

IT'S ALSO AN EXTRAORDINARILY EMBARRASSING MOMENT FOR OUR

對我們來說，這也是一個異常尷尬的時刻。

COUNTRY.

國家：

AND I KIND OF ACHE FOR OUR COUNTRY AFTER SEEING THAT.

看到這些，我有點為我們的國家感到痛心。

YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING, AND THIS MAN IS, YOU

你知道，全世界都在看，而這個人，你...

KNOW, A MENACE TO PUBLIC HEALTH, A MENACE TO OUR COUNTRY, A

我知道，這是對公眾健康的傷害，也是對我們國家的傷害。

MENACE TO DEMOCRACY.

對民主的傷害。

AND THAT'S WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS NOW, IS THAT HE'S MADE IT

這就是現在真正的問題，是他讓它成為了

CLEAR THAT HE WILL NOT ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION IF

明確表示，在下列情況下，他不會接受選舉結果：

THEY DON'T GO HIS WAY.

他們不走他的路。

WE HAVE LITERALLY NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN OUR WHOLE

我們從來沒有見過這樣的事情，在我們的生活中。

HISTORY.

歷史：

GEORGE WASHINGTON, AFTER A SECOND TERM, HE STEPPED DOWN AS

喬治-華盛頓，在第二個任期後，他下臺了。

PRESIDENT.

主席：

AND THAT SET THE PRECEDENT, REALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN

而這也為我們創造了前所未有的先決條件，真的，這是第一次

THE WHOLE WORLD, OF A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER.

權力的和平轉移的整個世界。

AFTER THAT, EVERY ELECTION, THERE WAS A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF

在那之後，每次選舉，都會有一個和平的交接。

POWER, EVEN WHEN IT WAS EXTRAORDINARILY CLOSE, WENT TO

權力，即使是超乎尋常的接近，也會去做。

THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, THERE STILL WAS THAT TRANSFER OF

眾議院，還是有那個轉會的。

POWER.

權力：

>> Stephen: WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT A PRESIDENT WHO IS MUCH

>> Stephen:好吧，讓我們來談談一個總統誰是更多的。

MALINED DURING HIS TERM, AND CERTAINLY HIS PRESIDENCY HAS

在他的任期內受到損害，而且可以肯定的是，他的總統任期內受到了損害。

BEEN MALIGNED SINCE, BUT HE INVENTED THE POSTPRESIDENT.

從那時起就被人誤解了，但他發明了 "總統"。

ASK THAT IS JIMMY CARTER.

問這是吉米-卡爾特。

THE BOOK IS CALLED "HIS VERY BEST."

這本書被稱為 "他的最佳作品"。

DO YOU THINK CARTER IS MISUNDERSTOOD?

你認為卡特是誤食嗎？

>> YOU KNOW, HE IS COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD.

>> 你知道，他完全是誤入歧途。

I MEAN, IT STARTS WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF LAZY-MINDED

我的意思是，它開始於，你知道，這種懶惰的心態。

ASSUMPTION, WHICH IS VERY COMMON AND UNDERSTANDABLE, THAT HE WAS

假設，這是非常常見和容易理解的，他是

A BAD PRESIDENT AND A GREAT FORMER PRESIDENT.

一個壞主席和一個偉大的前任主席。

IN FACT, HE WAS AN UNDER-RATED, MISUNDERSTOOD PRESIDENT.

事實上，他是一個被低估的，錯誤的總統。

AND, YOU KNOW, AN INSPIRATIONAL FORMER PRESIDENT, BUT HE HASN'T

而且，你知道，一個鼓舞人心的前總統， 但他沒有... ...

HAD ANY LEVERS OF POWER, YOU KNOW, TO DO-- TO MAKE REAL

有什麼權力，你知道，做 - 要做到這一點。

CHANGE.

變化。

HE'S HELPED ERADICATE DISEASE.

他幫助消除了疾病。

HE DID SOME PEACEMAKING.

他做了一些和平使者。

HE'S BUILT HOUSES, AS PEOPLE KNOW.

他建了房子，人們都知道。

HE'S MONITORED ELECTIONS OVERSEAS-- ALL GREAT WORK BY THE

他在海外監督選舉... ...所有偉大的工作由...

CARTER CENTER.

卡特中心：

HE REVOLUTIONIZED WHAT FORMER PRESIDENTS DO.

他革新了前任總統的工作。

BUT HE DID SO MUCH MORE WHEN HE WAS IN OFFICE.

但他在任時做了很多事情。

THE PROBLEM IS THAT HE WAS A POLITICAL FAILURE AND A

問題是他是一個政治上的失敗者和一個

STYLISTIC FAILURE AT A CERTAIN POINT.

在某一點上的風格失敗。

I ARGUE THAT EVEN THOUGH HE WAS A POLITICAL FAILURE AND GOT HIS

我認為，即使他是一個政治失敗者，並得到了他的。

BUTT KICKED BY RONALD REAGAN IN 1980 AND MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES,

1980年被羅納德-里根踢了一腳，犯了很多錯誤。

HE WAS A SUBSTANTIVE AND FARSIGHTED, EVEN VISIONARY

他是一個沉穩的，有遠見的，甚至是有遠見的。

SUCCESS.

成功。

EIGHT OUT OF 14 ENVIRONMENTAL BILLS HE SIGNED.

在他簽署的14項環境法案中，有8項。

HE SIGNED MORE LEGISLATION THAN ANY PRESIDENT, EXCEPT FOR LYNDON

他簽署的法律比任何一個總統都多，除了林登之外。

JOHNSON, SINCE WORLD WAR II.

約翰遜，自第二次世界大戰以來。

AND MANY OF THEM CHANGED-- MANY OF THESE BILLS CHANGED THE

其中許多法案改變了... ...

COUNTRY IN FUNDAMENTAL WAYS.

國家的基本方式。

THE PRESS JUST WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO IT.

媒體只是沒有注意到它。

>> Stephen: I KNOW YOU SAT DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENT MANY

>> 斯蒂芬：我知道你和總統坐了很多次。

TIMES FOR THIS BOOK.

本書的時間。

HE COOPERATED WITH THIS BIOGRAPHY.

他與本傳記合作。

>> HE DID.

>> 他做到了。

>> Stephen: WHAT SURPRISED YOU ABOUT THE MAN?

>> Stephen:他有什麼讓你吃驚的地方？

I KNOW HE'S IN HIS 90s NOW.

我知道他已經90多歲了。

WHAT DID YOU NOT EXPECT?

你沒料到什麼？

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF IT WAS JUST THE MODESTY OF

>> 你知道嗎，我想很多事情都是出於謙虛的考慮

HIS LIFE, AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, HE AND ROSALYN, THEY SLEEP

他的生活，還有他和羅莎琳睡覺的事實，你知道嗎？

ON A MURPHY BED WHEN THEY'RE IN ATLANTA.

在亞特蘭大的時候，在Murphy的床上。

THEY SPEND MOST OF THEIR TIME IN PAST ON THE ROAD TRAVELING TO

他們在過去的大部分時間都在路上旅行，去到

120 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES DOING GOOD WORKS.

120個不同的國家在做善事。

BUT, YOU KNOW, IN ATLANTA, THEY SLEEP ON A MURPHY BED AT THE

但是，你知道，在亞特蘭大，他們睡在Murphy的床鋪上

CARTER CENTER.

卡特中心：

AND, YOU KNOW, HE CUT THE GRASS FOR A LONG TIME, UNTIL QUITE

而且，你知道，他割了很久的草，直到...

RECENTLY, AT THEIR CHURCH.

最近，在他們的教堂，

AND THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE IN, YOU KNOW, LOCAL THINGS-- CHURCH

他們在當地的事情上也很活躍... 教會...

SUPPER ON PAPER PLATES.

紙盤上的飲料。

THINGS ABOUT THEIR LIVES.

關於他們生活的事情。

MRS. CARTER GAVE ME THE LOVE LETTERS WHICH HE WROTE HER FROM

卡特夫人給了我他寫給她的情書。

THE NAVY.

海軍。

WHICH ARE VERY STEAMY.

這些都是非常蒸汽的。

>> Stephen: REALLY?

>> Stephen:真的嗎？

>> YOU KNOW, AND THEY ARE QUITE A BIT BEYOND JOHN AND ABIGAIL

>> 你知道，他們比約翰和阿比蓋爾還厲害。

ADAMS IN THEIR EXPLICITNESS.

亞當斯在他們的擴張性。

>> Stephen: ARE THEY IN THE BOOK?

>> 史蒂芬：他們在書中嗎？

>> THEY'RE IN THE BOOK.

>> 他們在書中。

>> Stephen: I THINK YOU MOVED SOME PAPER.

>> Stephen:我想你動了一些紙。

WE HAVE A SEXY PEANUT FARMER IN HERE.

我們有一個性感的花生農夫在這裡。

>> AND SOME AWESOME STUFF I FOUND OUT ABOUT HIM.

>> 還有我發現的一些關於他的好東西。

AT ONE POINT HE WENT DOOR TO DOOR AS A MISSIONARY, AND HE

有一次，他以傳教士的身份挨家挨戶地走訪，而且他

CAME ACROSS A BROTH EXPEL TRIED TO CONVERT THE MADAM.

遇到了一個兄弟艾斯佩爾試圖改變夫人的想法。

HE IS NOT INTOLERANT OF PEOPLE NOT AS RELIGIOUS AS HIM.

他對不像他那樣信奉宗教的人，並不愚昧。

HE BECAME FRIENDLY WITH BOB DYLAN.

他和BOB DYLAN成了好朋友。

GONZO HUNTER HELPED MAKE CARTER PRESIDENT.

GONZO HUNTER幫助卡爾特當上了總統。

ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED THAT ANDY WARHOL OF HIM ON THE COVER

我想讓安迪-沃霍爾上封面的原因之一。

IS THERE WAS A TIME WHEN HE WAS VERY COOL, AND I THINK A YOUNGER

曾經有一段時間，當他是非常酷的，我想一個年輕的。

GENERATION IS KIND OF REDISCOVERING HIM NOW, IN PART

GENERATION is KIND OF REDISCOVERING HIM NOW, IN PART.

BECAUSE HE IS THE UN-TRUMP.

因為他是 "非特朗普"。

>> Stephen: HIS 96th BIRTHDAY IS TOMORROW.

>> Stephen:他的96歲生日是明天。

OTHER THAN BUYING THIS BRILLIANT BIGRAPHY OF JIMMY CARTER, HOW

除了購買JIMMY CARTER的這本精美的大畫報，如何做到這一點？

CAN PEOPLE CELEBRATE IT?

人們可以慶祝它嗎？

>> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE COLBERT BUMP.

>> 首先，謝謝你的 "科爾伯特"。

>> Stephen: YOU GOT IT.

>> Stephen:你得到了它。

>> SO I THINK THE WAY TO HONOR HIM IS HE IS ASKING FOR PEOPLE

>> 所以，我認為向他致敬的方式是他在向人們索取。

NOT TO GIVE RIGHT NOW TO THE CARTER CENTER, BUT TO GIVE FOR

不是現在就捐給CARTER CENTER，而是要捐給CARTER CENTER。

COVID RELIEF.

COVID RELIEF：

THERE ARE A LOT OF COUNTRIES THAT THAT ARE IN REAL DANGER AND

有很多國家正處於真正的危險之中，而且。

DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES WE HAVE, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE SUFFERED

我們沒有我們的資源，即使我們已經遭受了

WORSE THAN ANY OTHER MAJOR COUNTRY.

比任何其他主要國家都糟糕。

AND, ALSO, HE FEELS REALLY STRONGLY, BECAUSE HE'S MONITORED

而且，他感覺非常強烈，因為他被監控了。

ALL THESE ELECTIONS, ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF ELECTIONS, AND I

所有這些選舉，關於選舉的完整性，我...

THINK HE WOULD URGE PEOPLE TO BE POLL WATCHERS, TO, YOU KNOW,

我想他會要求人們做民調觀察者，你知道的，

BRING FRIENDS TO VOTE FOR BIDEN, NOT JUST YOURSELF.

帶上朋友來給比登投票，而不僅僅是你自己。

MAYBE USE THE CALL TOOLS SO YOU CAN CALL INTO BATTLEGROUND

也許可以使用呼叫工具，這樣你就可以呼叫到戰場上。

STATES TO GET OUT THE VOTE.

各州要拿出投票權。

AND I THINK THAT THE GREATEST 96th BIRTHDAY PRESENT THAT

我想這是最好的96歲生日禮物。

ANYBODY COULD GIVE HIM WOULD BE TO WORK THEIR BUTTS OFF FOR JOE

任何人能給他的都是為喬工作的機會

BIDEN AND SAVE OUR DEMOCRACY >> Stephen: HIS BOOK, "HIS VERY

比登和拯救我們的民主>>斯蒂芬。 他的書，"他的非常

BEST," IS OUT NOW.

BEST，"現在已經出來了。

THE MAN IS JONATHAN ALTER, EVERYBODY.

這個人是喬納森-阿爾特，EVERYBODY。

WHEN WE COME BACK, ONE OF MY WRITERS HEADS OUT INTO THE WILDS

當我們回來的時候，我的一個作家就會去荒野中。

OF COVID PARENTHOOD.

科維德父母的身份。

STICK AROUND.

堅持下去。