字幕列表 影片播放 列印英文字幕 Hello Emma! Rebecca! Lovely to be hanging out with you! 00:00:12,035 --> 00:00:15,255 This is a dream come true for me. This is genuinely...I love this part of the world and to get to interview you in my favorite part of the world is kind of about as good as it gets so - thank you so much for agreeing to do this. My pleasure! lovely to hang out with you again You are one of the most intelligent and prolific women I know and have had the pleasure to meet. You've written 20 books on feminism.. Well i've written 24 or 25 books, but many of them are not about feminism [Yes] All of them are secretly feminist and some of them are overtly feminist ...I would say! That makes sense! [Yes] What drives you to write so prolifically? I successfully avoided husbands and children and day jobs. [laughter] Those things can all really interfere with your productivity. [laughter] Amazing! and I'm always fascinated by... I find if I have anything to write I procrastinate magnificently. Do you have a rigorous writing schedule whereby you write between this hour and this hour and you eat this very specific thing and... is there a routine that kind of helps you get so much done? I get up every morning and have tea with milk on an octagonal tray I bought at a thrift store many years ago... and like that has to happen fairly early and then the rest of it is kind of a muddle and a blur and I often feel like the most distracted, disorganized person ever...but books do issue fourth regularly which makes me think 'if i'm this disorganized, what's everybody else doing?' [laughter] and... 00:01:50,085 --> 00:01:52,735 But , you know I really wanted to be a writer I love books and writing was like one way - even more than reading - to be with books, in books, about books and so when I learnt how to read, I just decided I was going to write books ...which is a very easy decision until you actually have to do it, but somehow, one thing led to another. In your bio, you cite that you are a product of the California public school system from kindergarten to graduate school. How did that shape you ? Why did you want to mention it in that way? It's actually very funny, I was on a panel with two men just up the road in Monterey about 10 years ago and they both named dropped their ivy league universities. I was like 'your older than me, we don't name drop our universities' and then I was like 'that's what an ivy league education is for apparently! and I was like well.... can Isay bad words on this? [Yes, I think so] Well I was like well 'fuck it! if they are gonna name drop... the ivy leagues, i'm gonna name drop public education in California. [Yes!] *Applause* That's so cool! I sometimes worry that someday they'll say like 'well we should defund that because it produced her' but... [laughter] But I just realized, you know... we've got to name drop these things. That's amazing! I love that you did that so incredibly specifically. Was there one specific moment or a series of moments that led up to you knowing that you wanted to be a writer? I wanted to be a ballerina and then I learnt how to write, how to read, which apparently happened very rapidly in first grade. My Mom says the first week; and then I thought I wanted to be a librarian 'cos they spar with books all day - what could be lovelier than that? Until I realized that somebody wrote all those books, and books for me, you know it's like a magic box - until you can read them, you can open it, but you can't actually see what's inside, or do anything with what's inside, so just that act of learning how to read pretty quickly to my third and final career decision which I've stuck with. Amazing! Yeah It's very easy to decide to do something, actually doing it is a whole other thing. And it must have been like that with you deciding to be an actress? You had to act? Yeah...well... It did happen fast! Yes! it certainly did I mean, it kind of came out of nowhere to be honest. It was actually poems and poetry that really got me and I was on the debating team because I was really nerdy like that! That was what got me into it... This feels like a .... it must be a calling for you. I mean you've truly dedicated your life to doing this, and I love that sometimes I email you and I get an "out of office" kind of... 'In order to get anything done, I cannot respond to emails' and I just love that you create that.. [I try] Yeah! The really nice people listen to those things and the less nice people continue to chase you around. Really?! As you know, as you know... [Yeah] But it's a really interesting thing that nobody calls you up, nobody emails you desperately urging you to do the work most central to your life and your vision and yourself, everybody wants you to do something other than that, and a lot - some of it's noble causes and some of it's favors for deserving friends and some of it.... you know... and I believe in service and support of the community but.... I couldn't possibly do everything i'm asked to do and if I did half of it, I would never write another book, so there's this interesting thing [love that!] I think if I had been popular as a young woman, I would have had a much easier time with people wanting things from me, but you know, I was like hiding in libraries and reading a book a day. I love that 'the work most central to your vision.' That's such beautiful way of putting it - which makes sense because you're a beautiful writer! so, that makes sense. In 'Whose Story is This? Old Conflicts and New Chapters', you talk so brilliantly about how power determines who gets to tell their story and who gets to be believed. Are there stories, or people that you really wish we were hearing more of right now, beyond those that you cite in your book? I think everybody in this room, everybody listening to this recognizes that women, people of color, non-straight, non-cisgender people have not been sufficiently allowed to take center stage to the stories, to determine what matters to set the priorities, and that's changing in some ways, but something I always feel, and I read about in the introduction to this book, before we get all like 'they were a disaster, but now we're awesome and we're so damn woke is... I feel like... next year, next decade, next century, we'll be like 'Oh my God those people in the year 2019 so completely missed this and now we see... now we include this thing we excluded, so I feel there are things we don't see yet and we always have to recognize how finite our vision is and how much more is out there and you know there are other things coming along and we have to be grateful to the people who woke us up and who taught us to see these other things as i've been taught so much by indigenous activists, black lives matter, feminism and... a life blessedly spent among the gay men of San Francisco and, you know etc...and the drag queens and the dykes. Have there been moments, are there things that you've written that you look back on that you feel gosh, I ...you know... I had a blind spot here? or... Are there things that you would, you wish that retroactively or in retrospect you could go back and add more context to? It's interesting because there are a bunch of things, including my first book which was about the visual artists who are part of beat culture, who I feel like I kind of surfed a specific layer of the culture and you go deeper... you know I didn't have the equipment to go after the massive misogyny of that era, although some of it, as I was talking to people of that generation was being targeted at me. The memoir I have coming out that's in your lap you know, takes care of the beats very thoroughly as people will presently see. So you revisited? Yeah, so I feel like there were things I understood better and that were clearer you know, and I don't feel like any of those things is a misrepresentation but it often feels like I both have space to say things I might not have earlier and that it's really kind of when you tell a story you decide which layer you're going and that i've been spending a lot of time the last decade on the feminist layers, the gender politics and things which I was gentler about in some of those earlier books. Interesting. Of those 20 books that are part of this anthology, is there one particular one that stands out to you as the one you are most proud of? Or that you feel... If, you know... Oh Emma! Impossible, it's like choosing children! I know, I know! and it's really ...they did different things like, my book 'Hope in the Dark' I wrote in the bleak era after the bombing in Iraq started and it was written to encourage people of what a writer friend of mine reminded me doesn't to, you know pet people on the head, it means literally to instill courage and it played a role in people's own political lives that was really important to me my book 'A Field Guide to Getting Lost' is a much more introspective personal book that has also been meaningful to people and a lot of artists have made art in response to it and stuff - so there's that. You know, I love the swath 'Men Explain Things' has cut through the Universe and....you know and right now the book i'm writing after the memoir comes out that i'm working on now, that'll be out possibly in 2021, maybe in 2022 I'm just like madly in love with, but they all have a function and they all represented something - all of them are something I really wanted to say and I really wanted people to think about, so, there's a couple that I think didn't turn out great, but there's a lot of you know... I strongly disagree but... [laughter] You just haven't read those ones yet! [laughter ] Okay... I chose 'Whose Story is This? Old Conflicts, New Chapters' as the book for my book club 'Our Shared Shelf' along with your take on Cinderella. The bit that I loved so much, well I mean you talk about this across your work really - you quote George Orwell in 'The Prevention of Literature' where he writes "totalitarianism demands in fact, the continuous alteration of the past and in the long run, probably demands a disbelief in the very existence of truth." It seems that we've crossed over into this truthless world that Orwell foretold. Do you see a way back? I don't know where we go from here but I have to say that Orwell's sentence could have described hearings this morning for those of you who were listening to them.