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  • Prof: Now today I am going to talk about biodiversity

  • and whether or not it's something we should be worried

  • about, and how to think about things

  • like the extinction crisis which is being caused by human

  • activity.

  • And I don't want you to forget this extremely simple idea here,

  • that the impact of humans on the environment basically is a

  • function of how many people there are on the planet,

  • times the average amount that each of those people consumes,

  • multiplied perhaps by some fudge factor to express good or

  • bad behavior on the part of the humans.

  • And I think that the Greeks probably could have written that

  • down 2500 years ago.

  • It's pretty straightforward.

  • It's nothing that is particularly surprising.

  • Nevertheless it is striking to me that this half of the

  • equation, the upper half of the equation,

  • which is the population problem,

  • has pretty much disappeared from public discourse on this

  • issue, and I think it's a result of

  • pushback from various groups that see any discussion of the

  • population problem as inevitably involving contraception or

  • abortion, which for some groups has

  • religious issues.

  • And it's also a pushback from the poor countries of the world,

  • against the rich countries, saying,

  • "You can't come down here and tell us what to do after

  • you've all gone and screwed up your own environment.

  • Let us get on with our own lives, and that's not our

  • priority."

  • Nevertheless, in the long-term,

  • that's true.

  • The impact of humans on the environment of the planet is

  • basically a function of how many people there are on the planet

  • times how much they're using.

  • And we can't get away from that.

  • You will find in the literature on things about biodiversity

  • problems, extinction problems, an awful lot of fairly refined,

  • scientific analysis.

  • You will find people applying cutting edge ecological theory

  • to the issue.

  • But, by way of introduction, I never want you to forget that

  • the problem of human impact on the other species on the planet

  • is not a problem that we can really solve with scientific

  • research.

  • We can only solve it by understanding the incentives

  • that people encounter to have more babies,

  • or fewer babies, and the incentives that they

  • encounter to consume more or to consume less.

  • This is a really tough nut.

  • If any of you think this is simple, just think of what's

  • going on in the global financial crisis.

  • The people of the world are trying to stimulate consumption.

  • They're desperate not to be poor.

  • And that flies right in the face of the environmental

  • catastrophe.

  • I don't think there's any easy answer on that.

  • Yes Blake?

  • Student: People are interested in

  • >.

  • Prof: Right, Bob Wyman teaches a class on

  • population growth.

  • By the way, let me just take one of Bob's slides,

  • which he shared with me recently.

  • If you go around the planet and you ask people how many babies

  • do they want, good sociological research

  • indicates that they want about two-thirds of what they actually

  • get.

  • And that suggests that the easiest way to solve the

  • population problem is not to do anything Draconian,

  • but just to give every woman on the planet control of her own

  • reproductive fate; by whatever means.

  • Okay, I just wanted to make sure I got that message across

  • up front.

  • Now today I'm going to discuss extinctions, and I am going to

  • do it from ecological, economical, evolutionary and

  • personal points of view.

  • And within the ecological literature this is an old

  • chestnut, and basically back oh say about

  • thirty to fifty years ago there was intuition that suggested

  • that the more diverse an ecosystem was the more stable it

  • would be.

  • And people like stability, they don't like to be hit by

  • surprises, and so diversity would be good because it

  • conferred stability.

  • Then Bob May showed that more diverse communities can be less

  • stable.

  • That's not a necessary logical connection, that more diverse

  • things are more stable; sometimes more diverse

  • communities are less stable.

  • Since then there have been a lot of experiments.

  • There isn't a convincing clear pattern.

  • More recent theory shows that sometimes diversity can increase

  • stability.

  • This one seems to be a moving target,

  • and I think it's one where we have to be modest and say that,

  • "You know, in any particular circumstance

  • we don't really know what would happen."

  • Stability itself is a fairly abstract term,

  • and it can either refer to resistance,

  • which means ability to remain in the same state,

  • or to resilience, which means ability to return

  • to the same state following a perturbation;

  • so bending without breaking.

  • And that is probably more important in the real world.

  • Okay?

  • Now, what do we actually know experimentally about what

  • species diversity does to ecosystems?

  • Well there's some evidence, by the way, that most of this

  • data has to do with plants, or plants and insects.

  • A richer community appears better able to survive a

  • drought.

  • That is probably because the plants in interaction with each

  • other are actually conserving water locally.

  • If you look at net primary productivity,

  • as you increase the number of plant species,

  • the productivity, in terms of kilograms of carbon

  • fixed per square meter per year goes up and then levels off;

  • so there's diminishing returns.

  • But the more different kinds of things,

  • at least at the beginning, that you pack into a given

  • space, because they're partitioning

  • the environment differently the more they're going to be able to

  • take out of the sunlight and the C02 and the water that's in the

  • system, and convert it into

  • biologically useful materials.

  • There's some evidence that as you increase the number of

  • species in the community, the harder it is for an

  • invasive species to get into that community.

  • So these kinds of things are done usually in fairly simple

  • experimental gardens.

  • And I think that the application of that to the real

  • world I have to remain agnostic on;

  • it might work, it might not.

  • Recently there was a very nice paper--

  • this in the Proceedings of the Royal Society this year--

  • showing that more diverse pollinator communities provide

  • more reliable service.

  • So this X axis here is proportion of native vegetation,

  • and this is the number of pollinator individuals,

  • and this is again proportion of native vegetation and number of

  • visits.

  • And basically what it's showing is that the more diverse the

  • pollinator community, the more likely it is that the

  • plants in it are going to get pollinated,

  • because the different kinds of pollinators are complementary,

  • they're trading services as they come in.

  • And this connects a bit to ecosystem function,

  • because after all one of the things that Mother Nature gives

  • us in agriculture is the services of the pollinators.

  • And if we didn't have them, the almond industry and the

  • apple industry of the world would collapse.

  • So if we do things that wipe out the pollinator community,

  • or radically simplify it, this paper suggests we can

  • expect that we're going to have a decrease in our fruit and our

  • nut crops.

  • So a few ecological points about diversity is that it does

  • seem to improve some ecosystem properties.

  • There's some evidence that connects species diversity to

  • resilience and to resistance to invasion.

  • Not too many people who have been working in the ecosystem

  • function end of science have been terribly worried about the

  • diversity of individuals in genes;

  • they've been looking mostly at species diversity.

  • But it may very well be that if you have say a group of

  • pollinators and you look within a single species and you compare

  • very genetically diverse species of pollinators with very

  • genetically homogenous species of pollinators that the genetic

  • diversity may also have a significant impact.

  • So there are a whole series of levels at which one can ask the

  • diversity question, and not all of them are equally

  • well researched.

  • Now let me just go back to the ecological view of diversity

  • here and make a general comment on it.

  • One of the arguments that conservation advocates use is

  • that biodiversity is important for ecosystem function.

  • And I'm now about to go into an argument on ecosystem function.

  • Okay?

  • And it's about how much it's going to cost us to replace

  • those services.

  • And I'm just setting a pointer here,

  • because I'll come back in a few minutes and point out that if

  • you claim that you need a lot of biodiversity to maintain clean

  • air, clean water,

  • pollination services, everything that Nature gives us

  • for free, but if Nature is really

  • redundant, so that you could actually get rid of 90% of the

  • species on the earth before you even noticed any decrease in

  • ecosystem function, that you are then involving

  • yourself in a political argument which is quite dangerous;

  • and that is that you appear not to know what you're talking

  • about.

  • Because your critics could come back year after year saying,

  • "Oh, we've lost another 10% of the species on the planet

  • and the ecosystems are still functioning just fine.

  • You're just crying wolf."

  • Until, of course, you get down to the point where

  • you've trimmed away so many that the next ones really do make a

  • difference to ecosystem function,

  • and then we're all in deep water.

  • So there is a real problem here of being able to communicate to

  • the general public, and the politicians,

  • the issue that you could have a lot of ecosystem redundancy,

  • which is buffering you from the extinctions that might otherwise

  • be affecting ecosystem function, but at some point,

  • if you've eliminated a lot of species,

  • you will hit a limit at which there's no redundancy left,

  • and at that point ecosystems start to collapse.

  • So let's now go through the economic argument,

  • and you'll see how much it might cost to replace things.

  • So there have been attempts, mainly by Bob Costanza and his

  • group-- he's now at the University of

  • Vermont-- to estimate what is the value

  • of ecosystem function.

  • And before we get into Costanza's, we can look at

  • something like Habitat II.

  • So Ed Bass decides twenty years ago or so to build a very

  • futuristic architectural piece out in the Arizona desert,

  • which is an attempt to see whether or not you could

  • actually build an interstellar spacecraft with a self-enclosed,

  • completely recycling ecosystem, such that people could go in it

  • and there would be everything in it that people would need to

  • live forever.

  • So if you just make one of those things and put it out into

  • space, potentially humans could colonize other galaxies.

  • It's a very bold idea, right?

  • So it costs 9 million per person, and if we wanted to

  • replace the earth with that, you could figure that it's

  • about 54 thousand-trillion to replace- to support everybody on

  • earth, to get them to another galaxy.

  • Unfortunately Habitat II didn't work.

  • >

  • So it wasn't complete, and the people who went in it

  • and tried to live in it had to bail out after about six months.

  • So this line of reasoning, which by the way is always

  • going to end up with very big numbers, is basically a comment

  • on externalization; and externalization is

  • economics talk for things which are not my problem,

  • thank you.

  • So they are basically what we define,

  • in our approach to the problem, as being outside the scope of

  • the problem and outside the scope of our ability to come up

  • with a solution.

  • And I think you'll see that some of these things need to be

  • internalized.

  • So the issue of externalization is that in economics it means

  • it's not captured by the market.

  • So it's not something whose consequences,

  • whose costs, are reckoned into market

  • calculations.

  • So what Costanza and his crew did was they tried to calculate

  • the marginal value of ecosystem services,

  • and they just took the present value of the service and then

  • asked, "If we just tweak it a

  • little bit, how much is it going to cost us

  • to replace-- just looking at the current

  • situation, if we try to calculate the

  • replacement cost by tweaking that service so that Mother

  • Nature doesn't provide it, we have to replace it,

  • how much is it going to cost us?"

  • Well they have a lot of numbers in their paper,

  • and I'll just run through some of them.

  • This is not--I don't really expect you to memorize which

  • ecosystem service costs more to replace.

  • But I think it is notable that fertilizer in nutrient cycling,

  • keeping all of the plants on the planet well fed,

  • is something that Mother Nature does for us that would cost 17

  • trillion to replace.

  • It's interesting; I heard Ed Wilson in Washington

  • a couple of weeks ago, and he was talking about

  • figures like this, and he said, "You know,

  • before this recovery plan, the stimulus package,

  • I used to think that trillion was a big number."

  • >

  • "And now it's a trillion here, a trillion there;

  • after awhile you're talking real money."

  • You can see the kinds of things that people identify as

  • ecosystem services, and certainly among them

  • nutrient cycling, waste management,

  • water supply, food,

  • the regulation of the atmosphere, the regulation of

  • water on the landscape, flooding and things like that,

  • those are all quite serious things,

  • and Mother Nature is doing a lot of that for us,

  • and she's never- she hasn't been billing us for it lately.

  • And if you look at where this is going on,

  • you'll find that the oceans are actually doing about twice as

  • much as the land, and the estuaries are providing

  • a tremendous amount of ecosystem services,

  • and boy do people like to build their houses on the water.

  • >

  • So if you just look at what happened to the coast of the

  • Mediterranean or the coast of Southeast Asia or the coast of

  • the Eastern Seaboard or Southern California,

  • that is where people concentrate their living.

  • They concentrate their living right around estuaries;

  • Chesapeake Bay, for example.

  • And if you look at what are the important parts of the

  • continental land masses, the wetlands and the forests

  • are extremely important parts; although you can't really say

  • that the grasslands are unimportant, they're still

  • providing about a trillion a year in ecosystem services.

  • So the marginal value, back in 1997,

  • the marginal value of total planetary ecosystem services was

  • about 33 trillion.

  • That was about four times the U.S. GDP at that time.

  • Of course the U.S. GDP is greater now, but I'll bet you

  • that the replacement costs for what Nature gives us for free

  • are bigger now too.

  • So it's a big number.

  • And that's an estimate of how much the global economy is

  • essentially externalizing the costs of environmental impact,

  • and environmental services.

  • It's an estimate of the global magnitude of the tragedy of the

  • commons, which is that we all

  • individually want to take and use services,

  • but our individual behavior is eroding the environment for the

  • community.

  • And that is an estimate of to what degree we're not connected

  • to the consequences of our own actions,

  • and to what degree we're not cleaning up our own messes.

  • So this economic view has been criticized;

  • it's been criticized for bad economics and it's been

  • criticized for bad ecology.

  • I actually think that it retains an important take-home

  • message, which is robust,

  • which is after you apply all the criticisms and make all the

  • adjustments, Mother Nature is still

  • providing us with goods and services of enormous value,

  • which would be impossible for us to replace if we had to.

  • I don't think there's any getting around that.

  • One can argue about the numbers, but I think the

  • take-home message remains solid.

  • Now to come back to my earlier point about redundancy.

  • We could probably get by with a lot fewer species.

  • And this was brought home to me by my friend Pierre Henri

  • Gouyon, who grew up in Central Paris,

  • in the cinquième arrondissement,

  • in the middle of a fairly artificial environment.

  • And basically he said, "Listen,

  • we don't need ten million species on the planet.

  • We only need 117.

  • We need cows, sheep and goats.

  • We need bacteria and fungi for cheese, wine and beer.

  • And, in other words, we only need the things that

  • will directly keep humans alive.

  • And if we need some to provide these ecosystem services that

  • we've just gone through, fine, maybe we need a few more,

  • but we don't need 10 million."

  • Now Pierre Henri actually is a convinced environmentalist,

  • and he actually got fired from his job for arguing with the

  • French government about environmental problems.

  • He had a radio show in Paris, and so he has been relegated to

  • the Natural History Museum in Paris, which is a repository of

  • biodiversity.

  • But this is--he made this argument in order to drive home

  • the point that there's a lot of loose thinking that goes on

  • about ecosystem function and redundancy,

  • and maybe it's good to have a starting point from which you

  • can argue upwards.

  • Because once you decide that you're going to base your

  • arguments for preserving species on practical grounds,

  • and you're going to use economic terms to argue for

  • them, then you have to back it up

  • with data, and you have to back it up with

  • well established facts.

  • And by starting with just 117, I think that you are forced to

  • confront a number of pretty serious issues in trying to make

  • those arguments.

  • So that's the economic view.

  • What would an evolutionary biologist say?

  • Well basically it's pretty clear that every tip on the Tree

  • of Life has been on the planet for 3.5 billion years,

  • and they've all managed to make it this far.

  • Good job.

  • It doesn't mean one's better than the other,

  • they've all made it.

  • And if we just think about relationship,

  • we have shared ancestors with- we do share ancestors with all

  • life on the planet, with the possible exception of

  • those nasty viruses that have been so much with us this

  • winter, and which are causing coughing

  • in the audience.

  • And you can go back and you can find relationships with

  • virtually everything on the planet;

  • just deeper and deeper in time.

  • And if you think about it, and you go back on the Tree of

  • Life, there you are,

  • maybe 3 billion years ago, and the archaea are going off

  • in this direction and the eukaryota are going off in that

  • direction; or you go back 15 million years

  • and the Old World monkeys are going this way,

  • and the hominidae are going that way.

  • Or you go back 7 million years and the chimpanzees go that way

  • and homo goes off in this other direction.

  • Basically if you're looking it as an evolutionary biologist,

  • okay, some chunk of DNA went one way and some chunk of DNA

  • went the other, down this branch,

  • and they both managed to make it to this point,

  • but you can't really derive any kind of morality about who has

  • the right to dominate and who has the right to take over the

  • resources of the world from that.

  • It's just a neutral pattern, it's out there.

  • Okay?

  • So from that point of view, looking at human culture is

  • kind of interesting, because it's pretty late in the

  • game of evolution that humans come up with this idea of

  • dominating.

  • And we are the winners.

  • Okay?

  • Actually this is quote from my younger son: Winners write

  • history, losers write novels.

  • The losers, who are the other species on the planet,

  • pretty much have to accommodate to the winners,

  • who are us, and who are dominating the planet.

  • And if you think about what we've done to them:

  • if you think about say 25% of the birds going extinct in the

  • Pacific; if you think about the fact

  • that current levels of extinction during the

  • anthropogenic extinction crisis are running at about 100 to 1000

  • times background rate; if you think about the fact

  • that the total impact of human civilization on the planet is

  • getting up to the point where it's approaching that of a big

  • meteorite hitting the Yucatan, then I think that it's probably

  • justified to use a phrase like the greatest crimes.

  • Okay, this isn't Zhuang Zi, whom I really like.

  • But basically what we've done is we've driven to extinction,

  • and are driving to extinction, many of the other occupants of

  • the planet.

  • And because it is increasing our quality of life,

  • and our gross domestic products, and our gross

  • planetary product, it gets spun as being necessary

  • for standard of living and economic growth.

  • So that would be an evolutionary point of view.

  • Or let's say an evolutionary biologist who loved plants and

  • animals would probably take that rather cynical look at the whole

  • impact of human culture and history on the planet.

  • Now to be fair to us--you know, that's a fairly hard look at

  • us-- but to be fair to us,

  • I think if any other species evolved to be dominant,

  • it probably would behave pretty much the same way,

  • because it would have gotten into that position by having a

  • motivational structure that made it competitive and caused it to

  • be very efficient at extracting and using resources.

  • And if we can ever actually behave nicely to other species,

  • then I think that that would be a profound victory of culture

  • over biology.

  • If you want to use a kin selection argument,

  • don't hold your breath on this one,

  • because we haven't yet demonstrated that we can behave

  • nicely to other human beings; and they're much more closely

  • related to us than other species.

  • So I hope by this point you're realizing that the extinction

  • crisis, and the meaning of biodiversity

  • on the planet, is an interesting probe into

  • our own nature and our own priorities.

  • And in struggling with it there will be many points at which one

  • could become pessimistic or cynical,

  • but in fact I think you can look at it as an opportunity to

  • learn an awful lot about ourselves and about the Nature

  • that we interact with.

  • So it's not all pessimistic.

  • It's simply a very deep-cutting,

  • revealing situation.

  • Now the personal point of view, it was captured in this book

  • that my wife and I wrote, and I'd like to tell you a

  • little bit about why we wrote it and the sort of lessons that

  • we've learned from it.

  • So that's the name of the book, and this picture is in it.

  • These are two Swiss hunters in Southern Switzerland,

  • and this is the last bear that was ever found in Switzerland.

  • They shot it in 1905.

  • And this kind of thing, by the way, is now going on

  • again in Idaho and Montana.

  • The Department of the Interior has just lifted the ban on

  • killing wolves.

  • There are about 800 wolves in Idaho and Montana,

  • and they're getting shot at again.

  • So this sort of thing is the way people behave.

  • These guys were very proud of the fact that they'd gotten a

  • bear.

  • So why did we write the book?

  • Well when I was--back in 1987, I was asked by the Swiss

  • Government to comment on a whitepaper that had been written

  • by an office in Washington, which had been set up by

  • Congress to survey developments in science,

  • and make recommendations to Congress on whether or not

  • things were serious and needed action.

  • And Peter Raven and Ed Wilson had managed to move the

  • biodiversity crisis up to a fairly high level,

  • and this office had taken attention of it and had written

  • a whitepaper, and the Swiss Government asked

  • me and my group to evaluate this whitepaper.

  • As a result of that, at the time that the European

  • Union decided to do something about it,

  • I was invited as Switzerland's representative,

  • to come to this meeting, which John Lawton had arranged.

  • And it was held in England, and at the meeting I was asked

  • to write a cover letter to our report, which was going to go to

  • the European Commission.

  • Okay?

  • And I'm going to read a few sections out of that,

  • because this is actually what got me to write the book.

  • So, "The causes of biodiversity crisis aren't in

  • Nature, they're in human economic and reproductive

  • behaviors."

  • So it's right there.

  • "And biological research isn't going to change human

  • behavior.

  • Human behavior can only be changed by education,

  • economic, demographic policy, and by shared values that

  • determine policy."

  • Okay?

  • At least shared values in a democracy;

  • we were in European democracies.

  • "The long-term solution requires a reduction in

  • birthrates and radical changes in consumption.

  • However, starving, insecure and repressed people

  • kill each other, they destroy the environment,

  • they drive species to extinction."

  • We certainly saw that in the wars in the Congo where the

  • poachers were going through the gorilla reserves and chopping

  • them up for bush meat.

  • "So the political challenge is to figure out a way

  • to make people comfortable, secure and free.

  • And that is a necessary precondition for long-term

  • biodiversity stability."

  • We can't wait to do that.

  • Okay?

  • We can't wait for political and economic change before we begin

  • to protect ecosystems and save species.

  • Because if we do, there's not going to be much

  • left to save.

  • So we have to start enforcing for the protection of Nature

  • now.

  • And then the punch line was this;

  • and this was in a conference of scientists.

  • Okay?

  • "Scientists often claim they need more money for

  • research, and they'll accept it if you make it available.

  • Politicians can avoid unpleasant decisions by saying

  • that more research is needed."

  • So there's kind of a nice way that they can help each other

  • out here.

  • And, "The research must not be used as an excuse for not

  • taking action.

  • Because we already know this: there are too many people.

  • Some of them, mostly in the developed world,

  • consume too much, and both conditions must

  • change."

  • So I was just simply trying to state that, simply and

  • straightforwardly.

  • The reactions were really kind of interesting,

  • and they also tell you something about the history of

  • Europe.

  • So Norway, Germany, Switzerland and England were

  • for it, and France, Italy, Portugal and Greece were

  • against it.

  • The French delegate felt it would play into the hands of the

  • far right; it would provide a

  • justification for deportation of immigrants;

  • characterized my attitude as eco-Nazi;

  • and, as usual, whenever the French are pushed

  • into a corner and they want to pull out a trump card,

  • a violation of the rights of man.

  • Okay?

  • Which they wrote.

  • By the way, this French delegate went on to become the

  • environmental head of UNESCO.

  • So that was his attitude.

  • And the Norwegians, who are a remarkably

  • self-satisfied and luxurious people, felt that it didn't go

  • far enough.

  • Okay?

  • So they wanted to see something that was more revolutionary.

  • The Germans thought it was a good statement.

  • The British felt it was okay.

  • The Dutch liked it.

  • So I came away from that kind of shocked,

  • but also realizing that humanity is having great

  • difficulty agreeing on its value system,

  • with regards to biodiversity.

  • And if we disagree, we can't make much progress.

  • Okay?

  • There's a lot of human value systems.

  • Some people think extinctions are bad;

  • just about anybody in this department would,

  • because they love animals and plants, and that's why they have

  • chosen this career.

  • Some people might say that extinctions aren't important,

  • that really what we need to do is have a healthy economy and

  • save all the poor people in the world,

  • and provide health care for that, and forget about Nature;

  • you know, that's a secondary priority.

  • And other people might say that extinctions might even be good.

  • You might wonder who that is.

  • Any person who owns private property, on which an endangered

  • species has been discovered, is motivated by the current

  • incentive structure of U.S. Law to make sure that

  • that species goes extinct before the Federal Government finds out

  • that it exists.

  • Because if the Federal Government finds out that it

  • exists, their property is open to condemnation proceedings,

  • and they lose it.

  • So I have friends who are ranchers in Hawaii who think

  • exactly that way.

  • So, because of this, there are lots of conflicts;

  • we can't reach agreement and we don't agree in that.

  • So how do you change value systems?

  • How do you get people to agree?

  • How do you shift balance?

  • And I thought at that point that it might be good just to

  • show how people emotionally react to the process of watching

  • a species go extinct.

  • And Bev and I got together.

  • And I had originally tried to do this as a novel,

  • and I discovered that my ability to write convincing

  • fiction had been totally destroyed by twenty-five years

  • of writing scientific papers.

  • And so Bev, who's a journalist, said, "Why don't we go and

  • interview people?"

  • She's a journalist and she knows how to interview people.

  • And she's a remarkably sympathetic personality.

  • I'm kind of, you know, big and have a white

  • beard and whatnot, but she's very sympathetic,

  • and boy can she get information out of people.

  • And so we decided to try that.

  • And our first interviews were with Christophe and Hedwig

  • Boesch about the chimpanzees in the Ivory Coast that are going

  • extinct, and they were very deeply

  • moving interviews.

  • We decided it was going to work.

  • So we wrote the book.

  • And I just want to take a couple of examples out of the

  • book.

  • This is the 'Alala, the Hawaiian crow.

  • And it was on the island of Hawaii;

  • when I was young, you could occasionally see a

  • juvenile flying in the northern part of the island.

  • By the time we started looking into it, in the 1990s,

  • there were only eleven crows left;

  • they were down from 110 in the wild.

  • And they had disappeared from every ranch, except the one

  • ranch whose owner kept the biologists off the ranch.

  • And basically what had been going on is that the crows--this

  • is a skull of an 'Alala--the crows had been encountering

  • incompetent people.

  • And the take-home from that particular chapter is that

  • competent people are in short supply.

  • So in order to try to save them, the biologists had taken

  • more than a hundred eggs and fledglings into captivity,

  • and they'd killed all of them; not one survived.

  • And the owner of the ranch, where they were still managing

  • to live, Cynthia Salley,

  • she decided that she wasn't going to let anybody on the

  • ranch who was not really motivated to help save the crow,

  • and so she told the biologists that if they were going to work

  • on her ranch, they couldn't publish any of

  • the results; and that immediately stopped

  • all activity.

  • >

  • So the biologists were interested in their publications

  • as much as, or perhaps a little more than, they were interested

  • in the crows.

  • And what happened--oh there was a crazy incident.

  • U.S. Fish & Game told Cynthia that she was

  • in violation of the Endangered Species Act,

  • and so in order to save the crow--remember,

  • they'd already killed a hundred--they were going to come

  • in with a helicopter and net the remaining crows out of the air.

  • Now they admitted that they hadn't practiced on house

  • sparrows.

  • Okay?

  • And there are only eleven of this species left in the world.

  • So the helicopters are going to come in,

  • and a biologist, hanging off the helicopter,

  • is going to net the crow out of the air,

  • because Cynthia wouldn't allow them onto her property.

  • Well at that point Cynthia realized how crazy it was,

  • and went to the governor and got the governor to intervene.

  • And a committee from the National Academy of Sciences

  • came out, got the Peregrine Foundation

  • involved from Idaho, and some competent people

  • reassured Cynthia that they would be able to deal with the

  • situation.

  • So they took some of the remaining crows into captivity

  • and established a captive breeding program that now

  • worked.

  • And in 1999, in September,

  • Bev and I went up, and we saw the aviary where the

  • baby crows were living.

  • And the last two--it was a pair, a male and a female--the

  • last two wild crows were outside;

  • they were sitting up in a tree, looking at the baby crows in

  • the aviary.

  • Baby crows were making lots of noise, as baby crows will,

  • and the adults had been drawn to the noise.

  • Now it turns out that if you are a baby crow,

  • and you don't have a wild reared parent,

  • you don't have anybody to teach you that you're supposed to shut

  • up by 7:00 in the morning.

  • And so every time they released some of these captive reared

  • crows, they talked a lot,

  • and they got noticed, and they got eaten by the rare

  • and endangered Hawaiian hawk.

  • >

  • So there still are some captive reared crows,

  • but they can't release them.

  • And so essentially this species now exists in captivity;

  • it doesn't exist in the wild anymore, it's gone extinct in

  • the wild.

  • The next story has to do with economic and demographic

  • processes.

  • And this is a story from Chinese history.

  • It was assembled by a Dutch diplomat named van Gulik,

  • who among other things wrote some nice mystery novels set in

  • China, set in Tang China.

  • And it's about white faced gibbons.

  • So the white faced gibbon currently exists in Southern

  • Vietnam and in Thailand.

  • At the beginning of written Chinese history,

  • there were white faced gibbons north of Beijing.

  • So it over-wintered in the mountains, in the snow,

  • north of Beijing.

  • By the time of the Tang, it had been--

  • by the time the Tang fell, so say roughly 900 or 1000

  • A.D., had been pushed down to the

  • Yangtze, and then since then it had been

  • pushed out of the country.

  • And it was a very important symbol in poetry and painting.

  • The gibbon and the crane were both symbols of longevity.

  • When a Taoist saint got old, he was supposed to turn into a

  • gibbon and become immortal.

  • The male gibbons have a very haunting cry,

  • and if you are a monk meditating in a monastery on say

  • the banks of the Yangtze Gorge, you could hear,

  • at 5:00 in the morning, a gibbon fifteen kilometers

  • away, giving out its territorial cry,

  • and for that it brought in all of the magic and mystery of

  • Nature into their imagination.

  • So it became an important cultural object.

  • Well, van Gulik made this map, which basically--so this the

  • Huang Ho, the Yellow River; this is the Yangtze here.

  • And it shows sightings of gibbons, all labeled at

  • different times.

  • And basically by the end of the nineteenth century they'd been

  • completely pushed out of China.

  • Now the interesting thing about that is that in A.D.

  • 170, in the later Han Dynasty, a group of policy wonks come to

  • the emperor and say, "Oh Emperor,

  • the gibbon is going extinct, and it's a terrible thing."

  • And the emperor says, "Yes, it is a very

  • important part of our culture, we must preserve it.

  • I authorize the army to stop the peasants from cutting down

  • the forests."

  • That is what was causing the gibbon to go extinct;

  • it was habitat destruction.

  • And the habitat destruction was driven by demography.

  • Poor farmers were having babies, and they needed charcoal

  • to cook food to feed their babies.

  • So for a year or two the army went out and protected the

  • forests.

  • But then there was a revolution, the Han Dynasty

  • fell, the central control vanished, and the demographic

  • processes did not change.

  • There were still poor farmers having babies,

  • and they still needed to feed their babies,

  • and they still wanted charcoal.

  • So basically the forests of China got cut down,

  • and the gibbon went extinct in China.

  • And that happened nearly 2000 years ago.

  • You might want to ask yourself whether that might not still be

  • going on.

  • Let's take a look at a more recent case in a politically

  • stable nation, our own.

  • And this has to do with the Barton Springs Salamander.

  • Barton Springs--how many people here know Barton Springs;

  • Austin, Texas.

  • Have you swum in Barton Springs?

  • Student: Yeah.

  • Prof: Yeah.

  • Barton Springs--people in Austin love Barton Springs;

  • nice steady temperature, middle of a hot summer,

  • jump into the springs.

  • It's nice and cool, clean water flowing out of the

  • karst formation.

  • It's one of the big quality of life issues in Austin.

  • Okay?

  • Well there's a little salamander that lives in Barton

  • Springs, and it was used,

  • together with the SOS, or Save our Springs,

  • Alliance, as a method of trying to preserve the springs,

  • and the area around it, from development.

  • And the argument was with Freeport-McMoRan,

  • and the Texas Republican Party.

  • Freeport-McMoRan is based in Louisiana, and it's one of the

  • world's largest mining companies.

  • It's a pretty cutthroat enterprise.

  • These people have employed the Indonesian Army to put down

  • revolts in the western part- in West Irian Jaya,

  • the western part of New Guinea, where they have big copper and

  • gold mines.

  • And they play hardball.

  • And they were behind a scheme to put a city roughly the size

  • of San Francisco next to Austin, on the area out of which the

  • water drains, to go into Barton Springs.

  • And so the environmentalist argument was,

  • "We need to save the springs;

  • therefore we can't have the city, which is going to just

  • completely destroy our quality of life."

  • And inside the springs there are about twenty more endemic

  • species; actually, they've now found

  • another salamander in the springs as well.

  • However, the U.S. Endangered Species Act doesn't allow you to

  • use a legal argument to preserve a species unless it's been

  • named.

  • And so David Hillis, in 1991 I think,

  • named the salamander and described it officially in the

  • scientific literature as Eurycea s-o-s-orum,

  • for Save our Springs-orum.

  • Right?

  • And it's a cute little salamander.

  • Here it is.

  • It's about two inches long.

  • And I've been in the springs and I've seen him.

  • And the political response to trying to get this species

  • listed was really massive.

  • So Kay Bailey-Hutchinson made sure there weren't any listings

  • in the whole U.S.

  • for a year, so that the salamander wouldn't be listed.

  • And Mark Kirkpatrick and his then wife Barbara Mahler,

  • and Bill Bunch, who's an environmental lawyer,

  • they used the Endangered Species Act,

  • and finally they forced the Secretary of Interior to list

  • the salamander.

  • It took four years, and during that four-year

  • period there were no species listed in all of North America.

  • This one little salamander was holding the whole thing up,

  • for the whole continent.

  • So the development was blocked temporarily.

  • By the way, if the development had gone through,

  • it would have meant billions of dollars.

  • It was big, big money.

  • But this kind of conflict never ends.

  • We've been back in touch with the people there recently.

  • We're trying to update this story a bit.

  • They do have a successful captive breeding program.

  • They have been able to limit the development somewhat.

  • But the pressure is just not going to go away.

  • The only way that the salamander will ever survive in

  • the long-term is if committed conservationists manage to stay

  • active.

  • Because the economic incentive to develop is always there;

  • it's not going to go away either.

  • So to summarize these different points of view.

  • If you just take the scientific point of view.

  • There are some advantages in some experiments that show

  • biodiversity is a good thing, but results are mixed,

  • and if you just review all of the biodiversity stuff,

  • on ecosystem function, you have to come away honestly

  • and say, "Well, it's a mixed

  • bag."

  • The economic view is that the services would be very costly to

  • replace, but how they depend on diversity is not clear;

  • so that's because we don't know the redundancy in the system and

  • we don't know when we hit the critical point.

  • The evolutionary view is that all living things are related,

  • but there isn't any natural value in diversity.

  • The evolutionary or purely scientific point of view would

  • be that there is no value in Nature;

  • so, you know, whether the planet's dead or

  • alive actually doesn't make any difference.

  • If we then place a human value on diversity,

  • for cultural reasons, as we saw with the gibbons,

  • or in our own culture--every one of you is probably sitting

  • in this class because you had a nice experience with some kind

  • of biodiversity at some point.

  • Well basically what that does is we are placing a human value

  • on something, and we've won the battle,

  • and now our value system, which is our own homo sapiens

  • value system of one kind or another--

  • and you've seen there are bunches of them--

  • is being placed on the rest of the planet.

  • So some people spend to exploit the planet;

  • some people spend to conserve it.

  • So what is the origin and justification of values?

  • This interesting case of the biodiversity crisis causes us to

  • confront that rather deep and personal question.

  • And when you encounter people who are actively engaged in the

  • conservation movement and environmentalism,

  • I think you actually have to ask, "Are the values that

  • they're deploying really something that is general and

  • that you can derive for all people at all times,

  • or is it simply an expression of their personal taste?"

  • I happen to love orchids and porpoises and so forth.

  • Other people like to eat porpoises.

  • >

  • We're both human beings.

  • So if you want to read further on this--actually the one that I

  • really recommend that you read is this book by E.H. Carr,

  • on international relations between the two World Wars.

  • That's sort of a modern Machiavelli,

  • or Thucydides, that shows you how the nations

  • of the world actually behave when they are faced with

  • decisions on deep matters; they behave in a very,

  • very hardball way.

  • Okay, next time we go into behavior.

Prof: Now today I am going to talk about biodiversity

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31.為什麼有這麼多物種?影響生物多樣性的因素 (31. Why So Many Species? The Factors Affecting Biodiversity)

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