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  • Welcome back to part two of this very special live episode of the transfer talk podcast.

  • We're going to rewind the clock a little bit.

  • No, and talk a bit more about Erica Johnson and Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink Very own transfer teals.

  • And I think there is only one place to start.

  • And that is the year 2000 when Chelsea came calling for you.

  • Booth, Jimmy will start with you.

  • Just give us an insight into exactly how that came about.

  • I got a call.

  • Actually, we were in a time I was at, like, to commit.

  • Great.

  • We were, um, in a cup of the ray final and we were on the way to the to the final, and I got a call from from General Kofi Ali and he had a few words with me about me joining jealousy.

  • We had a political, we already went down, but we were still in the final of the cup of the ray and he just wanted to have, like, five minutes with me if if I would be interested in and all that kind of stuff.

  • So my Aisa lied opened, It was it was a great Cole and we decided Tow me just to play the game and enjoy the game and and after the game toe to speak again and and see what could materialize.

  • Hold on.

  • You're on your way to the Copa del Rey final in the coach, in the way we always calling you.

  • I was in the team coach.

  • He obviously didn't know that I was in the team coach.

  • It was two days before the final We we had the final at the financial stadium.

  • We drove two days before the game we drove to towards for Lancia and uh, I got a call from Gianluca.

  • After the disappointment of seeing Athletico Madrid relegated and missing out on a place in the Holland squad for Euro 2000 hassle bank is said to be delighted to be back in English football.

  • Did you know straight away that it was a move that you wanted to me, whether any other clubs in the running for you at the time there were other clubs, but it was it was yeah, it was a move that I definitely straight if I wanted to make about the the year before this the year before, when I was in Leeds.

  • Chelsea showed some interest already, but Leeds didn't want to sell me Tow an English club.

  • Um and, um, we tried everything me and my agent to make the move go through toe Chelsea.

  • But, um, it didn't happen.

  • So Chris Sutton then went instead.

  • And then the deal was that and I went to Ah, glad to commiserate on either.

  • What about yourself?

  • What?

  • Your memories off a similar situation.

  • Just one call.

  • And you were You were gone, huh?

  • Well, similar.

  • In a sense that I got the phone call from from Luca.

  • Really Sort of my my eyes and rang me up.

  • And he said, Listen, the interest of Chelsea's actually quite big.

  • Luca wants to sign you.

  • He wants to speak to you.

  • So it's not just the club looking at.

  • I was only 21 I think.

  • When I when I joined Chelsea, said Manager wants to speak to you.

  • Look at me.

  • I was gonna call me.

  • Yeah, just stay by your phone, and as I did when he rang Hey, started with this.

  • Is it okay to say sexy Italian boy go.

  • Yeah, but he sort of explained They said Listen, I've actually seen a lot off your games from last season, both live and on tape, and I think you can do whatever you're doing in the championship, as we call it.

  • Now.

  • You can do that in the Premier League as well.

  • Um, he didn't know that he played European Cup final against my dad.

  • When the Ali play for Sampdoria, my father played for and elected Belgium.

  • So they played against each other in the European Cup final in 1990 two.

  • I'm not mistaken this watch yours because I'd asked my father to get me every Ali shirt from that game, so it didn't take much persuading.

  • Uh, plus the fact that we had Bolton at the time we we didn't manage to get promoted.

  • We had Ah, we're a good team.

  • Great love, lovely people.

  • But Chelsea was just ah different level to that.

  • And did you have other options at the time for has many?

  • Yeah, Um, probably because of my age is Well, I was young, so there was a lot of the bidden a lot of clubs interested, and back in the day, we didn't have a transfer window, so I was being linked here and there and Manager's coming to watch games.

  • And, um and I actually initially thought I wouldn't be.

  • I would be moving to Liverpool because I think Gerald Julia showed a lot of interested.

  • He'd be at a lot of our games at the at the Reebok as we called about that.

  • So that was sort of the one before Chelsea came in.

  • When they when they called, when Luka called, it was that was it.

  • We mentioned that lure off the manager when we're talking about Juicy.

  • Marie knew it was a similar situation for you.

  • I do with him.

  • Yeah, plus the fact that you my career has started off going to holiday, Not I broke my leg and ah, I was told by doctors you're never gonna play at a high level again.

  • You might as well, you know, concentrate on your on your education, Manus.

  • If you fight back and two seasons at Bolton Wanderers where I showed, you know, the talents that I had and you know, fighting through it and then making that step is in it was not only a joining Chelsea was just We'll show him the finger to that those doctors that have said I'd never play at that level.

  • So there was It was just a huge moment for me or no, you both speak about how highly speak of Jang Luke heavily on the fact that he's called you personally.

  • And that must have been a massive factor.

  • Why you joined Chelsea.

  • But in three months of you joining Chelsea, Bialy Scott and cardio Ranieri's come in What's going through your mind then?

  • Don't forget Gianluca Waas, a magnificent striker, you know?

  • So for him to call you and wanting you to come to the club that he's managing that this is Matt Cassel arrogance.

  • But then after three months, you know that happening.

  • It was a blow.

  • It was a big blow, you know?

  • And and also a big surprise.

  • We didn't expect that at all in the group.

  • Um, we thought definitely that he waas um well backed by the club as well, you know?

  • So that's the impression that regard.

  • So when we found out that that he was gone, it was for me personally.

  • Remember how you found out?

  • Uh, no, I called you.

  • Okay.

  • Seriously.

  • Okay.

  • How did you find out uh, I actually followed football news.

  • TV was out shopping.

  • I was still I was not.

  • I remember seeing it and hearing it.

  • Yeah, we were still living in the hotel or you were just about to move to Wimbledon.

  • Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • And I, uh, I saw it off.

  • What's going on?

  • Results hadn't gone great.

  • Start of the season.

  • Um, I saw Saw it rang up my best pal.

  • Seeing the news, we couldn't believe it, because it's just we still are in the face off.

  • We have only just arrived.

  • And especially it was different for Jimmy because Jimmy arrived as a star.

  • The main striker.

  • I was sort of in addition, like we need 34 strikers look, always wanted for strike three or four strikers.

  • It was at the time it was Jimmy Gianfranco Zola with their Tore Andre Flo.

  • And then he wanted to sign me as well.

  • It did say to me, Luca, when he called, uh, yeah, I don't think John Frankel would be here next season.

  • So there'll be three of you.

  • But for whatever reason, I'm gonna stay the following season.

  • I mean, we talk about iconic strike partnerships when teams used to play with two strikes off course.

  • The locks changed now, York and cold.

  • But good Johnson and hassle Bank was up there that that 1st 4 season under January, it was 52 goals.

  • 52 goals between you.

  • Why did it work?

  • What was a secret?

  • Uh, I think the main thing waas we we wanted each other to do well, I think if he would school, I would be I would be so happy, you know, for him, you know, and I think by various as well, um, and it just combined.

  • I also knew, um, where he waas, you know, on the pitch.

  • I just knew, or he's going to do this and I'm gonna make my run.

  • He will find me.

  • Um, we didn't really work on it on training, you know, it's just that it was just that that connection Don't get me wrong.

  • John Franco was a magnificent football player, technically, absolutely magnificent.

  • But the connection was not s well, as as as us, you know.

  • So, yeah, we were just stepped way were probably the talk about 24 was two strikers were complete opposites.

  • We were as different as we look, but wait.

  • And as Jimmy said, when I received the bull, I knew where he was going to run or when the ball was being played to me, depending on the pace of the past, he knew when I was going to step over and run away from it.

  • It was just and, of course, in training.

  • As soon as we started playing more together, we didn't.

  • We exaggerated in training, so we probably became even better at it.

  • But to say that we actually worked on it worked.

  • It was the tone of that one of the greatest place in Premier League history when the greatest place in Chelsea's history.

  • So what was he doing?

  • One while you two were making hay sulking?

  • But no, but the figures, that's what players do.

  • And we understood that.

  • And we we we will go to him and we would hug him because we would love him and we would understand that he was sulking and that that we would appreciate that, you know, and he would appreciate that from us that we we wanted him to be part of it, you know, it was we couldn't do nothing about it that it just worked really well for us, you know?

  • And he understood that as well.

  • As hard as it was for him, because he wanted to play and after games, sometimes when he didn't come in, he left home angry, you know?

  • But that's the professional in him.

  • You wouldn't want it any any any different.

  • It was a times heartful for Yeah, I didn't mind so much because on this is being serious.

  • This is different.

  • Your situation.

  • You're the main striker, that Chelsea.

  • You're bored to be the main goal scorer, so you're always gonna play.

  • So there's one spot left because we played with two forwards and I wanted to play.

  • So it's part of the game.

  • But what I had to deal with as well is right.

  • I'm playing in front of what is arguably the best player best football in Chelsea tells his history, and he's sitting on the bench because I'm I'm playing, so I must be doing something right.

  • Well, we must be doing something right.

  • But I had such admiration for him as well that we often spoke about.

  • How come Why can't we find a way?

  • I can't no matter what way to play.

  • All three of us.

  • And And don't get us wrong.

  • We used to go out for dinners and stuff with, like us to JoFranco Robbie Di Matteo rank on another tape.

  • No.

  • No way.

  • We're tight people tight.

  • You know, we were We were, you know, there was no us to play.

  • Conjugated got way.

  • We're always, like, in the same same group he was suffering when the game was being played, you know, because he just wanted to play.

  • It just didn't work out.

  • What about the following campaign?

  • Chelsea securing Champions League qualification beating Liverpool on the last day of the season.

  • Take us back to that moment.

  • What did it mean to the team?

  • How did it feel?

  • Was a massive match, Wasn't it the way we needed a drawer or a win?

  • Um, I think we were losing one nil first once I mean, who, Pierre Simon.

  • He pr score.

  • Then we were like, Oh, my God, what is happening?

  • Um, we were actually the better team, and, um, the emotions off it, You know what?

  • Sky high mustard?

  • This.

  • You came hoping to go, and he never scores.

  • Hey, never clothe, but and, uh yeah, but then we been to one over one way.

  • Want to one?

  • Yeah.

  • Yes.

  • Okay.

  • Yes.

  • Blessed rest.

  • Yes, but Greinke, do you remember that?

  • Do you remember the meeting we had in the dressing room before the game?

  • He doesn't know You're a lot more than I do.

  • Go.

  • So, uh, remember Trevor Butts?

  • Yes.

  • Have a good chief executive chief executive at the time.

  • He came in into the restroom before I remember now and he literally tells us, Right?

  • Yeah.

  • Just to make you realize the importance of this game for Chelsea Football Club.

  • We don't win today or don't get the Champions League place, weren't they?

  • Basically, he said, and we will have to sell off half the squad.

  • And Chelsea will not be the club that it has been for many, many years.

  • Unless unless something big happens you mentioned in there something big happens that summer.

  • The footballing landscape.

  • Let's be honest, changed completely.

  • Roman Abramovich takes over the club, but it's still it was it was still dependent on that he would buy if you result against against Liverpool.

  • So we don't know if he would have bought it if we were not in the Champions League.

  • Goodness, what was going through your mind when he when he came in?

  • Did you give it any four warning about this guy and what impact he would have?

  • No, we just We were told that, um, somebody bought the club.

  • I remember that January said to me on He wants to become the champion, you know, And crazy things are gonna happen.

  • We're gonna buy players and stuff.

  • This was before he had a chat with us about things going I didn't know personally, thinks about Abramovich.

  • I only knew that he was Russian and wealthy.

  • And then we were, at the time, still at Harlington, the first training session or one of the first training sessions.

  • He came to Harlington and he spoke to us with a few others said, and that was it.

  • You know, it made us realize that right around the pressure, every game now, for a result, because they're just by whoever they can and will by players just tow as in by the league Premier League title, so to speak.

  • It's not for sale.

  • But that was the pressure that we felt at the time so that the uncertainty plus this added pressure off the owner always being around us as well.

  • No, not always speaking with just being with the team.

  • You could feel you.

  • You know, you sensed that extra pressure pressure and you mentioned bringing in players.

  • Adrianne move to hurt.

  • And Crazy Bull among the players that arrived that summer Did that extra pressure.

  • How did you feel?

  • Did you ever feel like your positions were under threat at the club?

  • Well, this season, the season started off with Ranieri.

  • Um well, at least speaking to me, I don't know what he said to you.

  • He said, You're going to me.

  • Do what?

  • He said I think we had the same conversation.

  • Yeah, he basically said, It's gonna be very difficult for your order to get games to play.

  • We've got at least two sugars coming in on DDE.

  • I'll help you find a good club, not a word of a lie.

  • And I and I said so I said, No problem, boss.

  • I think I'll be here longer than you will.

  • I wasn't lying.

  • I didn't say that.

  • I didn't say that.

  • Hey did say that's the same things to me.

  • He did say, Look, Jim, because obviously I knew him a little bit longer than deny there from from a play to commit.

  • Great.

  • I said, Jim, I'm gonna bring in two strikers and is going to be very difficult for you to play.

  • And, um, stubborn as I am, if you want Oh, make it in football at the highest level, you have to be single minded and you have to be really believing yourself what you can do what you can bring.

  • And I said to him, Look, mister, because we used to call him Mr um you can bring whoever you want.

  • I am going to end up playing.

  • Um, so do what you need to do, and, uh, i'll be fine, you know?

  • So he said OK, okay, fine.

  • And hey, brought in Mu do we brought in Crispo And I remember either with me looking at each other and thinking, Yeah, it's going to be difficult, but, you know, at the end, I think, um, we're gonna win the battle and we want the better because he end up playing the two strikers that always done it for him, you know, in his most important matches.

  • That was the end of us towards the end, you know?

  • And And I think in that year I became top score there as well, and I was not supposed to play.

  • So here you go.

  • The first Premier League game.

  • It sticks in my memory that under the Roman Abramovich you enter and field.

  • There was a big hoo ha about this is the new Chelsea that you actually scored the winning goal and field that day.

  • Now I'm sure you would have celebrated long and hard when you scored that goal, but was an extra edge to your celebration that day because you're effectively being written off Dermish.

  • There was no extra it wa ce just words can't express because the amount of things that Ranieri has asked me to do for him and I always done that and him to say that to me.

  • Like how he said it, you know, um made me really, really, really angry and then on that that matches.

  • Well, not playing me and putting me on the bench, um made me even angrier.

  • So for me to come in and scoring the winner, you know, that was, uh I'm not gonna say you started that game.

  • I came off it off time.

  • I don't know, but what you have to understand.

  • In the beginning, in the beginning, when he had a lot of credit and have these new players, we would escape goats.

  • You got me.

  • And it was It was okay for Moto in the beginning because he started quite well.

  • But it was very hard for Crispo and it didn't work out for crossbow at all in the first few.

  • Well, the whole season next that you know, it didn't work out.

  • So we had to come back to one of us.

  • He had to, you know?

  • So he went first toe either.

  • And the combination with you too did not really work because Moto waas more about Moo too, you know So and Moto became a problem.

  • So we end up getting a chance And we started scoring and started playing well and he had to come back and tow us and it humbled by on, of course, wrote the season.

  • There was this speculation over Claudio Ranieri's future from inside.

  • Was there an expectation that he would be gone?

  • I mean, clearly I do you had.

  • You had an idea.

  • It wasn't gonna last two, love.

  • Well, I think the only thing that could have saved him was winning the lady ability.

  • And not even you can't.

  • We came second and not even being second was I think the magic as Monaco had done him champion.

  • Lee.

  • Yeah, that match putting me in on the right wing.

  • You know, um, going for the match while we didn't really need it that we'd already scoring away.

  • Lt's so I think that that was the match that made people speak toe Abramovich People around him who understood football and said, You know, the mistakes on?

  • Of course, Joe.

  • See, Marie New comes in as Ranieri's replacements.

  • I think it was just days after he won the Champions League with poor.

  • So we have spoken a little bit about Marine you already.

  • But do you remember what your very first impressions were off him?

  • Well, he worked with him.

  • I didn't I got the call from Peter Kenyon.

  • My agent got the gulf on Peter Kenyon and said, we're gonna let Jimmy go.

  • I still have got 11 year and I left.

  • I went to Middlesbrough never spoke to Joseph.

  • He didn't even meet him when he came.

  • No, no.

  • Never met him.

  • It was after that.

  • He said that he made a mistake.

  • He should have.

  • Should have kept me.

  • Um, but he brought in drug and Kasman obviously drugged, but was a magnificent signing and and a great signing for the for the club.

  • Um, but I still feel that I That I could have at, you know, um, tow the team, especially if I see Kasman.

  • You know who didn't really do it?

  • Um, but it wasn't meant to be.

  • So how did that make you feel when you're getting a call from the chief executive of the football club saying you got no future and you haven't even met the manager?

  • But that's how it is a football.

  • When when the club wants you.

  • The manager calls you when the club doesn't want you to chief.

  • Except, you know, that's just how it is.

  • You know, I was recalled that the first news conference Josiah Marino date.

  • I'm sure you've You watched it at the time, I'm sure.

  • Please don't call me arrogant because what I'm saying is true.

  • I'm European champion so I'm not one of of the bottle, and I think I'm a special.

  • What are you thinking?

  • When you were watching that Way had heard so many rumors and stories that at one point we all thought we'd had to turn up with a suit to training.

  • That's how bizarre the story we're about this guy.

  • We didn't know what to expect when we saw him, and it was like everyone else, right?

  • Good looking guy, well spoken, did the press conference in just about any language they they wanted, Um, and he had something about him that everyone else noticed is, well, the cocky, yes, but self confident.

  • We should not be afraid to say we want to win.

  • We shouldn't defend ourselves from the outside pressure, saying that we are only waiting for success in my last year of contracts.

  • I don't want this kind of of self protection when we thought right, you know, as players, we don't take too much notice of press conference.

  • It's all about the first impression on the training pitch on.

  • Always remember the first phone call I got from Peter Kenyon saying, Either we've have a new manager and he wants to speak to you right now.

  • Okay?

  • I was I think it was in Iceland.

  • I was I was sitting with a friend.

  • Um, having a beer, as we do on the Joseph.

  • Starts talking.

  • Hey, it's your new manager, you know?

  • What's the many games?

  • What's the last season scouted you?

  • Because we actually thought we were gonna play you in the Champions League final.

  • Any thoughts that you have about next year?

  • If you don't think if there's any doubt, I'll tell you right now you will be a Chelsea next year and you're gonna play.

  • I just need you at your best.

  • Brilliant.

  • Thanks.

  • See you.

  • Fourth of July said That's when preseason started.

  • So I got the beer.

  • I don't want that anymore.

  • And that's how much of salt, right?

  • Instant.

  • This is what I need.

  • This is what I needed from a manager.

  • I never had it from Ranieri.

  • I always had to fight out.

  • Everyone has to fight for their place.

  • But I always had to fight it that little bit extra that little bit extra.

  • And it always seemed to me that before a striker that came from the Italian League was much more attractive to him than and I slammed a kid that he sort of inherited in the squad.

  • And this was the first time that I felt right.

  • This guy really believed in me.

  • Let's you're less be ready.

  • And in the first team meeting, we all looked at each other and said, We're gonna win the league.

  • Yeah.

  • Merino spoke for often hour, 45 minutes.

  • We saw We're gonna win the league with you.

  • Yeah, I was gonna say, huh?

  • Lost just once on the way to winning the Premier League.

  • And I guess you've already alluded to there.

  • But, I mean, what did Marine you would do?

  • What was it about him?

  • I mean, he obviously just clearly came in and said, The two orange straightaway and you all really bought into it did just with being by being himself the way he worked on the training ground, the way, detailed trainings, the way he prepared the team for games.

  • Friendly games, for games, for everything in preseason we went to America on.

  • I think we all got a sort of a booklet on the Marine your way.

  • That's where we had to read through and then we lied.

  • In America, it goes.

  • I've watched you guys all of you play a lot scene many games and I seen Signor statistics on paper.

  • And I know you.

  • You're named all of us.

  • I don't see any trophies behind your names.

  • Why is that?

  • We'll bluff.

  • Why is that?

  • This is gonna change.

  • And he had such a way of speaking that I believed him from the 1st 2nd as we hold it, just we believe that we believe what he was saying board into his methods off working as well.

  • What?

  • Why is it though with Marino, he seems have three or four seasons with a club.

  • It seems to follow a pattern.

  • It goes great at the beginning.

  • And then something happens.

  • It tails off.

  • And then as soon as he's coming, he's gone again.

  • Where is very demanding of this place?

  • And I suppose you could say you can get tired of it always once more, once more, once more, Which is probably what makes him the manager that he is.

  • The impact is clearly there.

  • There's a pattern of the impact.

  • Wherever he goes.

  • It's usually in his first season.

  • He went to leak so it wouldn't know whether the group, as as plays just get grow tired off his methods or his way of working, I don't know or or him changing as well as in demanding even more, more more until you sort of, you know, you squeezed all the lemon out of the Yeah, I know.

  • What, you got it.

  • Um, you were there for two years under Josiah.

  • So can you explain why you left?

  • How you left?

  • Whose decision?

  • It waas.

  • It was both of our decisions.

  • My last season in Chelsea, which is my worst season.

  • Uh, I didn't play much.

  • Ah, plate the season before.

  • I think it was only Frank Lampard have played more games than me.

  • When we won the league on in the second part of that season of Josie played me in midfield.

  • So was Michael L.

  • A.

  • Frank and then me and midfield with with Didi up top.

  • And if the d A was indeed, I would move into the striker over, but mainly and I had a conversation toward the end of the season with with Marina owner said, Do you as in my strike on our midfield?

  • Oh, but he said.

  • You whatever needed to be all right.

  • That was the worst thing.

  • Then I realized when I came back after that preseason because Delia was obviously becoming one of the best writers in the league.

  • It didn't have a great first season in Chelsea but scored goals and he could see the powerhouse that he that he was, um Crispo came back and then I thought, Right, I'm not most of us don't think I'll be playing much a strike of this season starting midfield and then we had TR.

  • I think we had Tiago still on the other one.

  • That s Ian came in and then I said Right, he's a natural midfielder with more defensive let's say energy than I had just a pure midfielder which I was sort of a converted midfielder and Frank was was never gonna be dropped.

  • So throw off this actually gonna be tough and it's it's probably gonna be my last season and it just at that stage, I thought I would go again.

  • I have to do the whole rennie everything again, where I have to always fight for that.

  • For those minutes.

  • Always fight for the for the games.

  • Um, and I think I grew tired of it.

  • And six years, it was just that was the end of season.

  • Basically, Marina came up to me and we're not the way I went up to see him.

  • And I said, What's we don't we know, don't we?

  • Hey said, Yeah, we know.

  • He said, I will never I will never tell you to go.

  • But we know we know the situation.

  • That was it.

  • Well, you say that was it.

  • And then the next stop is Barcelona Ronald D.

  • Nearly no messy.

  • How how does that come about?

  • You just said your worst season.

  • You're joining the European champions.

  • Okay, It's easy, huh?

  • Very big clubs interested in May.

  • Um, but women, when Barcelona shows their interest is not it is not possible to say no.

  • There was an interest from Barcelona the year before, and there was absolutely no chance off Chelsea selling me on when it came up.

  • I could only what could believe it, because I do have belief in myself, but it was a bit in contrast with the season that I had, but when I spoke to write card, he said, Well, I know you had an indifferent season.

  • Don't mind.

  • I saw the quality.

  • I've seen your quality for years.

  • We played against them as well in the Champions League and we're probably one of the most memorable games intentionally put in.

  • Chelsea's history was against them and he basically persuaded me to go to a bus to come to Barcelona.

  • I knew then, right?

  • That's when I knew before Samuel, heir to Ronald, the new Iniesta Javy you name him.

  • All right here are really gonna have to fight for the minutes that I get.

  • But I could never live with myself turning down a club like Boston.

  • So that's the decision I've made.

  • I did on the plane over 100 games for themselves and Jimmy.

  • You could also join Barcelona.

  • At one point you just tell us what happened there A little bit unlucky for me.

  • Um, it was when trav ability just came in.

  • Um, it was in January, I think.

  • January 2003.

  • I think your friend Al Wasat Barcelona.

  • I got the call.

  • Hey, wanted another striker.

  • Everything was agreed.

  • The fee was agreed and the contact was agreed.

  • And I remember that Raineri came to me and we were on our way to play.

  • May united.

  • Um, he asked me, Do you want to play?

  • Because obviously the transfer I said no, I play, I want to play.

  • You know, I started and then, uh, feel Nevil kicked me and I had to come off with a swollen ankle.

  • Nothing bad, but But I had to come off.

  • Um deal was still going to go ahead Barcelona that evening.

  • Barcelona was playing Valencia at Barcelona and I think many a The school, huh?

  • A world E and Valencia one against Barcelona and Fungal got sacked that night from God.

  • Got sacked that night and it didn't go through, you know?

  • But that that is football, isn't it?

  • Somebody else came in and he thought that hey needed something else for the team and the deal was off.

  • I mean, that was just so for straight.

  • Well, it is.

  • Look, I've had four magnificent Jason Chelsea, but s I just said you want to measure yourself with the best and, you know, to have being able to have played for for Barcelona would have bean bean.

  • Great.

  • Look, I lost my diamond at Chelsea.

  • You know I didn't ask for a transfer.

  • They needed the money at the time for me because they were in trouble and um, it was a win for the club and a win win situation, you know, so but it wasn't meant to be.

  • I don't know.

  • You've touched on this before, but you talk about playing under Joe's, a Chelsea Pep Guardiola as well.

  • At Barcelona.

  • There was he paid against each other today.

  • You said Josiah was the best one you played under what gave him the edge over, I think because off the relationship that I had with him.

  • But it's impossible for me to say that the marina is a better manager than Guardiola.

  • Vice versa.

  • I wouldn't say Kouadio is better.

  • I couldn't.

  • I couldn't.

  • It was just, Ah, the personal chemistry between me and Josie brought rather between me and God.

  • It'll even though it was no bad blood and just something Do you see the difference There is well, then, between the two top managers now, Pepin clock counted like £14,000.

  • Now let's just in the last game.

  • That's the the man.

  • Management seems to be slightly different between we don't need a hug, Dewey, from the man in me, but nice players.

  • You do want some kind of recognition all the time.

  • Um, on DDE when when your manager recognized what you've done in a particular game or or as a team, you know, recognizes that it does give us something as plays and it does create some kind of a connection.

  • We had it quite Eola had in abundance as well in Barcelona.

  • Maybe this season he just hasn't had many as many opportunities to hug his place at the No.

  • It's lost a few more games.

  • Don't think about it.

  • It definitely helps.

  • It creates an atmosphere.

  • It creates a chemistry within the group, whether it's a hug or a high five or just recognition of off.

  • All the players want that love, you know, and that love can come in different ways.

  • You know, Club likes to give hugs.

  • I don't know how I would feel, you know, with I would have rather give him a high five and you know, but it's nice to see it's nice to see.

  • But then also, the generation now is changing as well.

  • Then then, you know, and our agent than our generation.

  • You know, it was not really the thing to do part real high heels as well.

  • I've noticed, like the absolute iconic moment when Roy Keane and Patrick Vieira in the tunnel.

  • Both teams are.

  • They just can't stand each other well.

  • It sounds, doesn't it?

  • And it looks like he's already kicked up before they got on the pitch, leaving in here yesterday.

  • I'm watching Man United against Wolves.

  • Bruno Fernandez is really Patricia A.

  • You doing everyone's hugging each other.

  • Is that a big change of noticed?

  • Probably there is.

  • A change there in yesterday's game is probably cause they're Portuguese or they know each other from the national team or or whatever.

  • Um, but when you speak of that moment off Roy Keane and Patrick Vieira, that was You could sense the hatred.

  • Watching it on television.

  • What did Roy Keane like somebody e ever like?

  • Somebody you know?

  • So Roy was it was on a mission against everybody, you know.

  • Probably I'm probably because they were that they were the two top Tina.

  • Manchester United had had the upper hand for a good few years, and then Arsenal came in and sort of took the crown away and started about a rivalry.

  • Have you that with you?

  • I don't know.

  • A few bad tackles in a few on nasty challenges.

  • Probably something was brewing there.

  • Time, unfortunately, is against us.

  • So just as we as we wrap things up tonight, I mean, you guys, you're both Chelsea ladies.

  • A lot of people have come here tonight to hear your tales from your time at Chelsea.

  • When you look back at that time in your life, how do you look back on it?

  • I mean, I guess it's quite a tricky question, but how do you reflect on it?

  • No, I love it.

  • Um, I think in my whole career that that was the full best years off my career.

  • Don't get me wrong.

  • I had a good time at at Leeds and Atletico as well, But I think at Chelsea I just knew Maur I understood more at Leeds and that little girl was green if you understand what I mean.

  • And even when I go back, you know I'm always welcomed and sometimes I parked my, uh I parked my car in the garage and I take a taxi further or I take the on the ground with my daughter and go into town.

  • And when I walk past the wall, where are the pictures are my picture is there and to walk past it It it does give you a warm feeling, you know?

  • So I look back really proud and, you know, really, uh yeah, Happy either.

  • Similar feelings I would imagine.

  • There without a doubt.

  • I absolutely loved my time on DDE.

  • I hated leaving and I wish I'd never left.

  • But, you know, situations come up in your career and you have to make big decisions.

  • Funnily enough, the year after I left Chelsea or the next that even the next window baby back.

  • Well, if they wouldn't have gotten in Al Qaeda, there were wanted to sign me again.

  • This would have been a huge mistake anyway, but it was just It was just great when there is a It was 22 year old and sort of grew up there, matured on being part off the history of the club.

  • Being having memories of lifting the Premier League title is probably on DDE.

  • I say this with full respect.

  • It's probably the one regret that you that we had in our time and Chelsea that we didn't lift the trophy.

  • Yeah, we we lost f a cup.

  • Um, but I don't think that we had the mentality as a group, we had the talent, but I don't be done and had the mentality as a group to toe win something.

  • And as you said with when marine you came in, you knew straight away that you're gonna goingto win or you had a big chance we need to be.

  • Never had lost the fact that never thought that when Josie came, you know, John Terry's turned 25 probably lamp blames 26 24 25 26.

  • We were all at an age where we had matured a lot.

  • A CZ plays and we learned so much.

  • So the timing off Marina coming in was just perfect.

  • It'll just clicked.

  • Just having memories, living it.

  • Looking at those games, they're almost surreal at times.

  • It feels, you know, never forget it, but it's almost like it never happened.

  • I wouldn't be a good way to end things.

  • Unfortunately, all rights of time, we could honestly talk to you for days and days.

  • It really has been a pleasure to have your company tonight leaves and show your appreciation for Theo.

  • A swell tarnish the countdown to the summer's know only about 130 days until we go again.

  • And he does have a countdown.

  • I've seen it on this clock.

  • And that is it for this live episode of the transfer top forecast.

  • Thank you to all of you guys for joining us here tonight as well.

  • Our Sky V I.

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  • I hope you've had a good night.

  • Enjoy the Thiel's that have been told here from Aitor on from Jimmy.

  • And this episode of the podcast will actually be available to Daniel tomorrow.

  • If you want to listen back, it's also going to be on YouTube if you want to watch it back.

  • And as I said, the transfer talk podcast will return in the summer.

  • But thanks, guys.

  • Get home safe.

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