WatchinghisprogressionandclimbingwithintheCatholicChurch, he's nine, wasregularlywithinthepressandeverytimePell's ninewas a veryclearrecollectionofwhathe'd beenuptoandwhatYeah, butyou'rejust a dirty, rotten, sneakyconniving.
I'vebeenfollowingthiscaseforthreeyearssince I firstmet a groupofmenwhobrokedecadesofsilencetorevealallegationsofhowtheinnocencewasstolenbyCardinalGeorgePellwhentheywereyoungboystonightonFourCorners, theinsidestoryofhow a princeofthechurchwasbroughttojustice.
But I thinkyoucouldalmostsaythatthewaythattheyclass, theircooperationwillbesimilarto, Ah, practiced a lyingonthegroundinthemiddleofthestreet, notresistingtheplace.
Hiskid's prettydiscreetlyinthecornerbecausewedidn't wanttosay I dodoesAndwherethere's littlekidstappedmeontheshow.
Lookaroundandtherewas a youngcattlePelStarknakedandhewasactuallyhadhistailandhe's drawnhisbackanditwasnodiscretionatall, Sohe's actuallyfirstadultmilelive.
It's allnaked.
I didn't lookhere, but, um, becauseitwas a churchandjusthewasGeorgePower.
WejustYoujustwentkindtotheotherside.
Anything, youknow, what a mind.
So I'm justtryingnottothinkaboutit.
It's beenhonest.
LindenandDamienwenttoprimaryschoolatBallaratEpiCenterofAbuseSaintIliePius, where a ringofpedophiles, Christianbrothersand a priestabuseddozensofChildrenGeorgePellleavedintheSaintIliePia's presbyteryatthesametimeasthenotoriouschildabuserfatherGeraldRidsdale.
LizTyacktoppolicethatinthemid 19 eightieshesawPelinthechangeroomsatthetalkyLifeSavingclubwinowalking a sorefellow.
Theycrisscrossingcoastalback, tellingyourselfoff.
Andthere's threeyoungkids.
They'reliketo 10 yearsofage.
They'reabouttotwometersacrossfromhim.
Alsogettingchanged.
I wentintotheshareand, uh, wouldhavebeenintheshowersforprobably 5 to 10 minutes.
When I cameout, uh, thisfellowwasfacingtheboyswiththetailovertheeveryisrightshoulder, and I thoughtthattobe a veryoddsituationhere I wasinthesharehehehadnotgotdressed.
Hewasfacingtheboys, and I thought, Thenimmediately, there's somethingnotrighthere.
I saidtotheboys, Ifyou'refinishedoffyourguy, we'reseeinginsomeothertimeAnd I saidthio, thisfellow, uh, George, I knowwhatyou'reupto.
I feltthatthatwasthetimethatmaybe I shouldputmystatementintothepoliceastowhathadhappened, becauseifthouformingsomedusthereonPell, itmightmightbesomesortofbackup.
Andjustanotherexampleofwhatwhatthismanwasupto.
I hadnotknow.
Bayfivewasnot a victim.
I hadnonothingagainsttheCatholicChurch.
ButthisThiswas a situationthatdiddisturbedmegreatly.
ThatcountertodaytryextendingyourcollectiontotheVictorianAustralianoffensesofindexhimselfuponMilesDysonActingpresentscharton 16 yearsbeforewecontinue, I mustinformyouifyoudon't havetosayanythingbutanythingyouunderstandthatthecardinalstartedhisinterviewwith a statement, volunteeredtotakepartinthisinterviewbecause, as I understandallegationsmadeadmitagainstmegoingbackdecades, I'm madeinvalueandinpreciselydefinedcircumstancesintimeframes.
I havetorelyonthelawandmyconscience, whichsidethat I'm innocentand I havetorelyontheintegrityoftheinvestigatorsnotsettingouttomake a casebutactuallysearchingforthetruthonthisoccasionthatwhat's nextisthatafterlastnightorsomething, we'reokaytowardstheirwriting.
Quitelost.
When I stopparkingaroundthevariousrooms, I cancrossthelineparkingramp.
There's bean, relentlesscharacterassassination, a relentlesscharacterassassinationandformorethan a month, claimsthat a thedecisiononwhethertolaychargeswasimminent.
I couldimaginehowmuchhowmuch, um, howstrenuousthequestioningwouldbay, questioningeverythoughtandeverymovementhedidbackthenletalignthestressthathewouldbeonthe, andnowit's comingbacktoholdhim.
I couldjustimaginethestressandpainhewentthroughjustinthattrial, Evenas a policemanwhogoesthroughcourtproceedings a lot, youfeelveryuncomfortablebecauseit's it's almostin a threateningway.
I mean, it's threateningwithword.
It's questioningyourtruthfulness.
It's questioningyourcharacter, and a placementcanwalkawayattheendofthedayandthinkareyouknow, thatwasdifficult.
Butwhenitcomesfrom a complainantorvictim's pointofview, I meanitcouldbedevastatingtothemtobecalled a liar.
Inmy 2017 Pelwascommittedtotrialby a magistrate.
Thepublicremainedentirelyinthedarkaboutwhatpillwasbeingtried, for, howmanycomplainantswereinvolvedandhowmanychargeshefaced.
Itmustbe a hugemountaintoclimbforthepolice, forsure, they'vebeennothingbutprofessional.
They'vegonethroughsomepainstakinginvestigationsleadinguptogettingstatements, puttingeverythingtogethertosupport a convictionbeyondreasonabledoubtforsomeonelike, ahcardinaloftheCatholicChurch.
I mean, theyhavedone a fantasticjob, and I cancertainlyholdtheirheadsuphigh.
Atthetimeofhisconviction, Pillwasfacing a separatetrialontheallegationsofabuseattheBallaratpool.
Thenewswassuppressedsoasnottotaintthejury.
Inthesecondtriallastweek, theBallaratpooltrialwasabandonedbecausesomekeyevidencewasruledinadmissibleas a resultofthatdecision.
Finally, theveilofsecrecywaslifted.
ItcannowberevealedthatAustralia's mostseniorCatholiccardinal, GeorgePell, hasbeenconvictedofsexuallyabusingtwochoirboysin 1996 whenhewasarchbishopofMelvin, I wasdevastated.
CardinalGeorgePellhasalwaysbeansuch a personificationofthechurchinthepubliclifeofAustraliaandtogetto a pointwherehe's convictedforthesesortsofcrimes, in a sense, is I convictionmorebroadlyabouttheCatholicChurch.
GeorgePellmaintainshisinnocenceandhisappealing a 77 yearoldmanwhooncecastanenormousshadowovertheAustralianchurchandculture, isnowinjailawaitingsentencedays.