You'vegot a NewZealandweightlifterwholiftedas a maleincompetition, who's nowsmashingrecords, havingidentifiedasfemale.
Thisiswhereitdoesget, I think, quiteseriousforthepotentialeffectithasonwomen's rights.
Areyouhappyforanyonebornto a malebiologicalbodytosimplyraisetheirhandwithoutanyneedforsurgeryontocompeteintheOlympicsagainstwomenbornto V mailbiologicalbodies?
So I'm a hugefanofathleticsondhe.
Thishasbeen a reallybigragingdebatebecause, particularlyaroundtheissueofCasterSemenyaondso, I'vebeenfollowingit.
ReallyClosingonCasterSemenyaisthat's a differentcase, butactuallytherearereally, reallyproblematicissueshere.
CasterSemenyaisnot a Tran.
That's Esther.
ItNo, no, thisItisanargumentaboutwhethercustomaneurysm, a manor a womanonIt's been, Youknow, thosedocumentaryaboutselfidentifyingwithmalebiologicalbodiessaying, I amFEMAnowcompetingagainstwomenborntofemalebiologicalbodies.
OnwhatlevelofdisabilityqualifiesyoutocompeteinthebrightreallydistractedmyquestionShouldshouldanymanoranyonebornto a malebiologicalbodybeabletoselfidentifyas a womanwithoutanysurgeryoranyofthattransitionprocess, andcompeteinprofessionalsportsagainstwomenborntofemalebiologicalbodies?
TheyarenowidentifyinghisfemaleontheirsmashingallConnecticutwomen's records.
I don't thinkthatit's fairtowomen's rightsonyoumightbethefirstfemaleleaderpresumingyou'llstillidentifyinghisfemaleoftheLabourParty.
Andifyouare, thisis a properissueabouthowfarthetransrightsoverridewomen's rights, and I thinkthatyourinabilitytogiveme a straightupyou'renotmy I amgiving a straightanswer.
Piers, I'm sayingyou'renot.
Now I'm sayingthatyou'resettingup a strawmaninthisinordertopitonegroupofpeopleagainstanotherletme.
Oh, isno.
Well, letmegiveyouanexactokay.
WhatabouttheweightlifterinNewZealandwhoiswantingtocompeteintheOlympicsas a femaleweightlifterwhopreviouslycompetedas a maleweightlifterbornwith a malebiologicalbody?
Isthatright?
Thatthat's why I saidtoyou, weneedtosetup a commissiontoconsidertheseissues.
Youwon't have a commissionintimefortheOlympicsthereinthreemonthsyet, butthisiswhysportneedstogettogether.
Well, it's it's it's, youknow, therules.
It's notfairiftherearenorules.
That's whywehavetohaveproperrules.
Buttheideathatyouwanttopickonegroupofpeopleagainstanother I justthinkthisisnotgoodenough.
Itdoes.
Youknowwhat?
I thinkyou'regoodenough.
Whatyou'renotdoingisgiving a straight.
I amgiving a stranger.
No, Thio, actuallydoeverythingbutgiveusstraighton.