It was five months ago that I last posted a video about the decent, and that's a pretty long time.

這個評比花了我很長的時間才做出來

But here's the issue that I have.

上次我上傳影片討論Decent Espresso是大概五個月以前

I don't make espresso every day.

五個月是很長的一段時間

I don't have an espresso machine at home.

至於為什麼會花這麼久的時間呢

I don't want one at home on, even at work.

因為我並不是每天都會做濃縮咖啡

I may not make his press it every day, and if I do, I may not have time to put it into to make espresso with decent. 00:00:52.710 --> 00:01:2.200 So it's taken me five months to really kind of get my head around it, to think about it and come to what I hope our opinions worth sharing to start with. 00:01:2.200 --> 00:01:8.240 I want to talk about some things that I really like about the decent machine, the D one plus on Dhe. 00:01:8.250 --> 00:01:12.650 Then I want to talk a little bit more about some things that I struggle with a little bit.

我家沒有濃縮咖啡機而且我也不想要在家擺一台

Using this machine is it feels like you're on the cutting edge.

就算在工作時我也不一定會每天都做濃縮咖啡

It feels like nothing else.

就算我有做濃縮咖啡,我也不一定有時間去用Decent Espresso Machine 做

I've barely used primarily because you just get so much data before, after during your espresso, right to be able to see the amount of data that you can with live temperature, life pressure, live flow.

這就是為什麼花了我五個月的時間

And if you have the scales connected, live weight of liquid in the cup wall on one screen as it's happening, that's kind of amazing.

才讓我對Decent Espresso Machine 有足夠的了解

That's really like nothing else.

我才有信心可以給出值得參考的評比

And to be honest at the price point that it's at nothing really touches it.

首先我要先講Decent Espresso Machine 的 DE1 +讓我非常喜歡的幾個功能

I don't think it's a cheap machine, but I think it's staggeringly good value for money. 00:01:57.140 --> 00:02:6.440 If you consider what it's capable off versus other machines at that price point, a second thing I love and I kind of just touched on it a little bit. 00:02:6.520 --> 00:02:9.170 But flow itself is fascinating, right? 00:02:9.310 --> 00:02:14.360 To be able to to see flow, which is kind of an output variable, right?

然後我會討論他有什麼讓我不喜歡的地方

Like if you consider pressure as an input and you consider the resistance of the cake, then what you get.

充滿未來感

As a result, ng output is Flo flow rate right?

Decent Espresso Machineb使用上讓我覺得非常潮

It will show you.

這是我前所未有的使用經驗

If a channel happens in your packers, flow will increase.

最主要是因為在整個沖煮Espresso的過程中你可以得到非常非常多的資訊,沖煮前,沖煮時,以及沖煮後都是

You'll be able to see if your espresso kind of falls to pieces and suddenly flow picks up one particular point.

你可以看到的資訊包括

Seeing flow is super interesting, Andi then, in theory, being able to profile a shot based on desired flow is a whole new way to think about espresso when that is very, very, very exciting.

即時水溫,萃取壓力,流速

Don't touch on this little bit later.

如果你有連接你的秤的話, 你也可以即時看到杯中的萃取量

Right now, the potential is not completely met by the machine.

全部都在同一個畫面中實況轉播

The insides of this thing to me, a little bit of respect.

非常屌!

It can do a lot of stuff. 00:02:58.870 --> 00:03:1.420 It's got a lot of hardware in there now. 00:03:1.540 --> 00:03:4.630 The upside of this is that it feels future proofed, right? 00:03:4.630 --> 00:03:10.280 Like it feels like updates to software will increasingly unlock functionality and potential in the machine.

真的是前所未有!

As Maura, Maura is understood about how it can make better espresso now, the downside is you might consider that there are perhaps more points of failure.

說實話,以他的價位

I haven't had any hardware issues so far.

沒有任何的相同價位的機器可以比得上他的強大功能

Like I said, I'm five months in.

我不覺得他很便宜

I'm pretty careful about the water I put inside my coffee machines.

但如果拿它跟其他同價位的濃縮咖啡機比,他的強大功能真的是CP值非常高

So you know that's gonna be the primary point of failure for any coffee machine, though there is a lot of thought going into stuff like this getting declassification within it, something that is actually really fantastic about this machine is the community that's growing around it now decent host, a kind of community message board you get access to when you buy a machine on DDE.

流速的觀測非常厲害

That is a fascinating place that is an extremely active community on extremely thoughtful community that I'm very grateful to have access to and be a part off. 00:03:59.740 --> 00:04:7.060 I don't think I've seen as a kind of thoughtful sort of self starting, like people are creating things. 00:04:7.060 --> 00:04:9.670 People are three D printing things to share within the community. 00:04:9.670 --> 00:04:11.350 I love this kind of approach.

第二個我很喜歡的地方,我剛剛其實也有提到

I love this kind of community.

流速的觀測真的非常厲害

I think that's incredibly powerful, and it's definitely a really added bonus of buying a machine like this.

你可以看到流速的改變, 而流速是個被動的結果

Ultimately, unlike this, because it's been a great tool for me, right?

這樣講好了,萃取壓力是主因

It has allowed me to learn more about espresso.

搭配上沖煮把手裡的咖啡的反作用力

It's allowed me to sort of think about it in new ways, and that's been extremely valuable to me.

就會產生最後的結果,也就是萃取的流速

Now you're gonna ask the question and quite rightly, you gonna ask the question.

如果通道效應發生了,你可以看的到,因為流速會加快

Well, how are the shots?

如果沖煮過程中有什麼變化,例如流速在某個時間點突然加快,你都可以看的到

Doesn't make amazing coffee.

可以看到萃取濃縮咖啡時的流速是非常有趣的

What will it can on?

理論上,依據自己想要的流速來萃取濃縮咖啡是個顛覆性的理論

It could make terrible coffee just like any coffee machine, and, you know, I'll be honest.

這讓人非常非常興奮!

I don't think the next great leap in flavor is gonna come from hardware.

我等下會更深入的討論為什麼

I don't think Grinder's gonna unlock anything. 00:04:58.790 --> 00:05:2.060 I don't think espresso machine's gonna unlock anything. 00:05:2.070 --> 00:05:6.440 They're not going to kind of create aromatic compounds that are there already, right? 00:05:6.440 --> 00:05:8.710 Like like we're gonna get the best of what's there. 00:05:9.230 --> 00:05:13.560 I think the next great leap actually will come from raw coffee rather than from hardware.

但現在,這台機器的潛力還沒完全被開發！

So don't think that this is going to somehow make you a magically better espresso than you've ever made before.

硬體

I'll be honest.

這台咖啡機的硬體規格根本就是越級打怪

What I'm interested in is my worst espresso being fantastic, right?

因為超標的硬體規格,他能做到的功能非常的多

I'm interested in everything being very good or above.

好處就是他有無限的未來性

That's really interesting to me.

隨著我們對萃取濃縮咖啡的過程了解的更多,我們可以透過軟體的更新,來解鎖更多的功能,並實現更多這台咖啡機的潛力

That's really desirable for me on at the moment that that isn't necessarily what this machine offers, right?

缺點就是,因為硬體配件多,所以損壞率可能會更高

Like it offers so much opportunity so much, uh, oven enormous playground for experimentation that you're gonna make some terrible coffee's on its gonna expose some flaws in your coffee making great you'll be able to see more clear than ever before if you're parked, Prep isn't good, and that's that's Ultimately I think that's a good thing. 00:05:56.820 --> 00:06:5.810 But I think that really is important to consider when we talk about who this machine is really for this machine. 00:06:5.820 --> 00:06:8.610 Another thing I like is extremely portable. 00:06:8.790 --> 00:06:11.780 This machine just runs in a tank that sits underneath the machine.

目前為止我是還沒遇到任何的問題

It's really easy to feel.

但就像我所說的我只使用了五個月而已

I just feel it from the R O output line at work, which has a lot of blended hard water and netting like a nice level of minerality.

而且我使用的水質也非常講究

That's easy.

你也知道,使用水的水質是造成所有咖啡機損壞的主因

It comes in a flight case.

但這也跟有沒有定期清除機器裡沉澱物有些關係

I mention this in the previous video, so it's extremely easy to pack down.

使用者社群

Drain, put in a flight case, roll round, turn up use and that's fantastic.

這台機器有一個我很喜歡的地方

One quick thing I have to talk about before I move into the stuff that maybe I struggle with a little bit more is that I don't drink milk, really, to be honest.

那就是廣大的使用者社群

And so I don't really steam much milk.

Decent這間公司創立了一個使用者論壇

And so I can't really speak to the capabilities of steaming on this machine.

你買了這台咖啡機之後你就會被加入這個論壇裡

The times have used it.

這個論壇非常非常的棒

It's been good, but I can't really offer you an in depth review on that because I'm just not making more drinks day today, right?

是個討論非常活躍也非常有想法的論壇

I'm just not. 00:06:53.700 --> 00:07:0.650 I'm typically just making espresso on drinking that that's all I'm kind of interested in I'm sorry that I can't give you a really in depth thing on that. 00:07:0.660 --> 00:07:2.490 It's steam, good milk, plenty of steam. 00:07:2.490 --> 00:07:5.950 I have no issues with it, but I just can't deep dive on that today. 00:07:6.490 --> 00:07:9.500 So let's take maybe talk about some stuff that you might call the downsides.

我非常感謝可以參與這個論壇

Now.

我不覺得我有看過任何一個這麼充滿想法而且主動的一個社群

I'll be honest.

有些人非常的有創意,有些人甚至用3D列印做出一些零配件,並分享給大家知道

I have made espresso primarily in more commercial environments or certainly with commercial equipment for a long time.

我愛死這種有想法又熱於分享的社群

And to be honest, I miss buttons on his real life buttons that click that have some level of haptic feedback to them.

我覺得這種社群是非常強大的

Touch screen just doesn't really do it for me for a start.

這也絕對是買這台咖啡機的一個很重要的額外的優點

Stop experience on on a copy machine.

學習的機會

Now I completely understand why a tablet control is actually pretty smart.

我很喜歡這台機器因為對我來說他是個很好的工具

Way to go having the brains and the display be external, be upgradable.

他讓我更了解濃縮咖啡

Removing a kind of really key point of failure, I think, is a good idea.

也讓我從不同的層面去理解濃縮咖啡

But you know, some days I just wish there was a little stop start button on that too, just for the just for the go moment, right?

對我來說這是非常有價值的

Just to know that I have pushed go Now the temple itself is something of a contentious thing.

你一定會想問

A lot of people kind of annoyed at the idea of a tablet on there. 00:08:0.100 --> 00:08:1.250 I like the idea broadly. 00:08:1.250 --> 00:08:12.270 Speaking of a tablet I have spent so long inside the walled garden of the apple ecosystem, that android as an experienced frustrates me a little bit.

所以他到底能不能做出超厲害的濃縮咖啡

It's a tiny detail on ultimately out kind of describe.

當然可以阿,但他也可以做出非常難喝的濃縮咖啡

This machine is actually being a much more android e experience than an Eye West type experience, right?

就跟隨便一台咖啡機一樣

You have all of the functionality unlocked.

我可以很誠實的告訴你

It's a total playground.

我並不覺得

But there are days when that means getting to the one simple thing can take just a moment longer than you want, right?

下一個讓咖啡風味跳躍的的會是硬體設備

Like it's it's, There's a lot of menus.

我不覺得磨豆機會有什麼突破性的發展

There's a lot of options.

我不覺得義式咖啡機會有什麼突破性的發展

You can kind of tap around, play around, look up loads of different profiles.

不管怎樣硬體設備都沒辦法憑空創造出豆子本身不存在的風味

There's a lot, and some days I just wish for some simplicity.

我們能萃取的就是豆子裡本身的風味而已

And if you don't want all of that stuff, then this is definitely not a machine for you.

我覺得下一個讓咖啡風味能夠跳躍式進步的會是生豆的品質,而不是硬體設備

If you want all of the details, all of the features, everything that's this machine. 00:08:58.390 --> 00:09:5.170 Final note on the tablet, actually, is that the cable that links the tablet to the machine to parrot is a Bluetooth connection between the two. 00:09:5.380 --> 00:09:6.820 That's an annoying little cable. 00:09:6.820 --> 00:09:16.150 To me, the solution of having like a little stand out of the machine to hold the tablet is good, but I can be a bit heavy handed at times on DDE.

所以不要幻想這台機器會讓你做出前所未有的超好喝濃縮咖啡

It's kind of easy for me to knock things and that that cable just unplugs a little bit too easily.

老實說

I think I'll probably upgraded to something just a tiny little bit longer.

我比較在意的是

If I can find something, it's like 2 to 3 centimeters shorter than I wanted to be.

要怎麼讓最差的濃縮咖啡超好喝

It's a tiny little detail, but it's called me out a couple of times where I haven't noticed.

我比較在意的是讓所有的咖啡都很好喝

I've knocked it out on the tablets, killing for low on power.

這是我想要達到的

And he is my primary concern, which is best described as analysis.

此時此刻這台機器並沒辦法做到這樣

Paralysis.

他提供無限的可能讓你去實驗不同的萃取方式

With this much data, it can very quickly be overwhelming on dhe frustrating. 00:09:49.090 --> 00:10:5.490 I worked out pretty early on that I couldn't just roll up the machine puller shot and walk away because the moment I put a shot well, there was something that I wanted to understand Maur or change or tweak on Dhe Lo and behold 15 20 shots later, that was Okay, so I have to stop this now on go and do the thing I meant to be doing. 00:10:6.070 --> 00:10:8.530 So it will draw you in. 00:10:8.540 --> 00:10:11.380 And that can be, you know, frustrating.

你有可能會做出很難喝的咖啡

And I had this issue early days with things like pressure profiling Now where?

他也會讓你發現自己萃取咖啡過程中的一些錯誤

You know, suddenly all of this possibility meant loads of experimentation.

你會更清楚的看到你佈粉做的好不好

But my coffee didn't taste any better.

本質上來說這是件好事

And actually, coffee making that was already difficult got a little bit more difficult.

但這也是決定這台機器適不適合你時一個很重要的考量

So that side of it can be a little bit much.

攜帶非常方便

It's taking me a while to sort of think the way the machine wants me to think. 00:10:35.370 --> 00:11:2.850 And, you know, I've used such different equipment for a long time that you know, the funny noises it makes as the group head comes up to temperature and that stuff at the start of the shot, just the kind of different noises the pump makes and all that kind of stuff. 00:11:3.420 --> 00:11:12.020 It catches me off guard a little bit, and I think if you're used to a certain type of experience that will catch you off guard to, I don't think it's a bad thing that the machine is a little bit noisy.

另外一個我非常喜歡的地方就是這台機器攜帶非常方便

but it's definitely something to consider.

這台咖啡機的蓄水箱就在機器的下方

Let's summarize with a few different points.

加水非常的方便,我通常都直接從辦公室的RO飲水機加水進去

Can this make great coffee?

我們的RO水有混一些硬水以達到適合萃取的硬度

Undeniably, Yes, I've had some really interesting, really delicious shots from this.

除了補水方便之外,我之前也有提到他隨機還附一個攜帶行李箱

I really enjoy the Bluetooth scale connectivity that that works, right?

所以你可以非常簡單的把水倒掉,裝箱,拿著到處走,拿出來就可以使用了,很棒！

Well, it's been It's been a lot of fun t use.

在我開始講我有哪些不喜歡這台機器的地方之前我必須要先說

I've made terrible shots in it, but I've made terrible shots and just about every machine I've ever owned.

那就是我不怎麼喝牛奶

So everything that's particularly instructive there are certainly profiles in the library that are a little bit kind of easier, softer, gentler and then really not there for exploration there.

所以我並不怎麼使用蒸奶棒

Dead for just have an easier experience.

所以我沒辦法跟你說這台機器有沒有辦法打出好的奶泡

But unfortunately, I can't go down that rhythm too excited, too interested to play with other stuff, for better or worse. 00:11:53.420 --> 00:12:1.780 And so who should buy this coffee machine if you want ease and simplicity in your life, this isn't necessarily the right machine for you. 00:12:2.070 --> 00:12:8.590 I think in time some learning will come out of this machine that will make other machines future machines much, much easier to use. 00:12:8.590 --> 00:12:9.620 Much more forgiving. 00:12:9.800 --> 00:12:12.210 Help improve that were shot you're gonna make.

在我有限的使用次數裡面我覺得還不錯

But in the short term, this this is easily an overwhelming thing, and it's for someone who is really, really interested in espresso.

但我沒辦法深入的跟你分析到底好或不好

If you're making coffee at home, that would mean you want this to absolutely be ah, hobbies.

因為我就是不常做加奶的飲料

I mean, you want to dedicate time, too, and it will be a very rewarding tool for a hobbyist, but it is undeniably that kind of a machine.

我就是不會,我通常就只做濃縮咖啡然後喝掉他,我就只對這有興趣

You should want to be a part of that community that is there that is active.

我必須說抱歉我沒辦法跟你講太多

I think it's extremely worthwhile.

他可以打出不錯的奶泡,蒸汽強度也夠,我沒有遇到任何的問題

You're gonna learn a ton and interact with some really smart, passionate people.

但在這影片裡我沒辦法去深入探討蒸奶的功能

But really, that's who this machine is for people who who really want to get their hands dirty, making espresso every day.

接下來我們來討論一下他的缺點吧

Who will learn who want to experiment, who are okay with the fact that you know, you might pull some accidentally bad shots. 00:12:56.640 --> 00:13:4.140 You're gonna end up going through more coffee with this machine, Whether you like it or not, you might have a tremendously good time. 00:13:4.140 --> 00:13:5.090 I know I do. 00:13:5.200 --> 00:13:10.530 But if that's a kind of issue for you, then I would say maybe right now, hold off.

沒有按鈕

You know, I mean, that's just not what this is to me really built to do.

老實說,長期以來我大部分是在商業環境下做濃縮咖啡

I think it's worth revisiting machine again in the future.

或是使用商用的機器

And the reason being is that the firmware updates that air coming out have been substantial.

所以我非常想要有按鈕可以使用

Is one recently on Dhe?

我想要真的按鈕,按的時候你可以感覺到回饋

Definitely expect to see increasing potential unlocked inside this machine as that community begins to understand what's valuable and what's not right when it comes to stuff like flow, which is really a whole new unchartered territory.

在一個咖啡機上,觸控螢幕對我來說就是少了個感覺

What we need to understand that a little bit more.

當然我可以理解為什麼要使用平板來控制機器

Right now, it's kind of easy for a flow profile to get off track on the way the machine compensates for that is still improve it for me.

把咖啡機的大腦跟顯示器跟機器本身分離,也保留軟體升級的可能性

I've had it where it's kind of pushed the pressure in the wrong direction on Dhe to try and increase the flow, and that's actually decreased the flow on DSO. 00:13:58.590 --> 00:14:4.280 We've kind of got into a kind of negative feedback cycle there and sort of shot have derailed, and that could be a little bit frustrating. 00:14:4.280 --> 00:14:7.810 But that is one of the things that is improving already. 00:14:7.810 --> 00:14:20.500 Revis the machine again in the future to see what's changed in both my approach to using it as well as any potential software changes that are substantial that have made real differences to using the machine as always.

也可以減少零件損壞的機會

Thank you so much watching.

我覺得這是個很好的辦法

If you got thoughts, ideas, comments, requests.

但你知道的,有時候就還是想要有個按鈕可以按

Leave those in the comments down below.

只要有個按鈕可以開始萃取跟按停就好

I would be very interested to read your thoughts.

只是想要很確定我有真的按開始萃取

If you're a fellow decent espresso machine owner, does that match your experience?

非常的 Android

And you having a similar experience to me?

使用平板電腦這件事本身是有點爭議的

Similar thoughts to me or actually having a totally different one?

很多人不喜歡這台機器上的平板

I really do want to hear about it.

不過我倒是還蠻喜歡的平板的

Thank you so much for watching Andi.

只是我太常使用蘋果電腦相關的系統太久了

I hope you have a great day.

所以使用Android系統的確是讓我有點不習慣