But Jurgen Klopp wasn't there to see it.

And, of course, all of his first team players were absent.

Does this take any of the shine off of the victory?

Or indeed, does it vindicate young cop starts?

I don't think he needed to vindicate his reasons for not playing the first team with what they've got going on.

I don't think anybody had a big issue with that.

Um, considering the opposition, the kids, he probably felt, could do the job when they've done the job.

So you know, in that respect, I don't think he needs vindicated needs vindicated.

But in terms of himself not being there, I suppose he's got away with that a little bit.

I think if if they lost the game, that would have been highlighted more.

You know the fact that he wasn't there as a manager at a football club in to try and motivate the young lads, which he would have done naturally.

I think we were talking earlier regarding when you trained at football club is a young lad or play in any games.

First team manages their The intensity goes off all the time, but the job's done.

So I think any of these questions now will be nullified and I don't think he's gonna have.

He probably won't entertain too many more questions about it.

You please, the living for winter.

I think it would be good to see them pay a price for it.

I don't think that would have been a bad thing for the F A Cup.

To be honest, I think they have shown the quality because it's it's difficult for those last two step into that environment and playing win.

I think they have done extremely well hats off to them, but it would've been great to have maybe seen an upset.

I think it would have shown Shawn something on the F A Cup that you know, you have to put the right amount of commitment and energy into it.

If you want to go on and win it.

I understood.

I understand you.

Yeah, I do understand your point, actually, but I think are these exceptional circumstances they are, except with the winter break.

That has been the schedule.

It's very unique.

It is.

It is exceptional.

Yes, But I'm thinking of the FAA Cook brand, and the bigger games is the tournament goes on when it becomes more serious and more global.

But that is the brand.

The giant killing is the brand.

Yeah, that is the hope that is the That's the message that I think would you be rolling up special Chelsea next against Rubio, Chelsea, Liverpool?

Because the next Liverpool side won't be that one.

It will have Lana in a RE G and people like that.

Yeah.

Now I agree in terms of respect to calling you names of football in excellence.

Of course, you'd rather see that, but in terms of the what you have to sometimes ball down what the F A Cup is and you know what?

We love the grittiness of it.

We love the ability for the giant killings.

Toe happen?

Yeah, and I think that's what's special about it.

So, too, for that to happen as often as possible in the F A Cup.

I think you know it can only be a positive thing for the tour.

Yeah, are just are just think it's just plain sad for the makeup because they're fake up is no longer the competition that it wants.

That is an indisputable fact, because if you win the F A Cup now, you haven't beaten all of the teams because you've only the team's some of teams in there, they're under strength.

That weakened teams.

But they'll get stronger if it goes on and Liverpool are still in it.

I mean, shoes be did have No.

But whoever wins it than it used to be.

If you want the F A Cup, you're the best in that condition.

You'd be in the best teams in the land.

Not necessarily, because if you look up men, Mill will got to the final.

They didn't play a Premier Li talk team till I got to find other teams had, you know, you're playing full strength teams.

Yeah, you played your paying teams that going out there with their full street full strength team toe win the tie now, like we said, you don't see that till the latter stages.

Now, really, with a lot of clubs, not just the top six, we're talking clubs that fighting relegation, you know that may feel the team get in the championship will feel a weakened team which is what we're talking about.

Two things.

Their money.

Preservation of players, The physical aspect of players played too many games, is what the club's hide behind most of the time, if this is not gonna happen, But just bear with me if you got 100 million for winning the F A Cup, do you think we'd see the 1st 2 interested?

Because ultimately it's about money.

Well, why?

While the Champions League brings in the riches that it does in the Premier League positions brings in the riches that it does and staying in the Premier League, you, the cops are gonna suffer.

But do you not think, though, that the F A Cup is such?

I mean, I love I love the F A Cup.

I just get sad for the competition that it's come to this.

There's also a precedent been set here now.

So next winter, if there's a winter break, other primly clubs and talked to look at this and said well would do the same thing.

But no.

Every Premier League clubs got the luxury of years and clubs got little getting clock is doing an unbelievable job at Liverpool.

They've won the Champions League.

They're gonna win the league this year.

They're gonna have a good chance in the Champions League again.

He's in a great position to be able to do what he's doing now.

If you look at the other managers going down the table, I think a lot of them.

Steve Bridge, for example.

It was played a really strong team tonight and try and get the job done because he knows the importance of the fans.

There's a lot of family.

It seems you've played stronger teams than in years gone by in the competition recently.

This is you talked about this being a unique situation.

It really is in terms of Liverpool's success in other competitions because of Liverpool were only a point behind or above sea on dhe Champions League run.

I'm not going so well.

It would have a strong team.

You gotta look at the timing as well.

Timing The timing's been really unfortunate, hasn't it?

It's landed in that only weak that the squad in the manager can have a break and I think you know there are four yard games, competitive fixture since the first family game this season, already on a lot.

It's a ridiculous ask and for him to keep mentally preparing game after game after Game eight matches in a month, roughly that they're playing.

Where do you stand on your own?

Got big there or not?

Matt?

Well, it's interesting how you used a phrase like Get away, Get away with not being there.

I know what you mean in terms of just made it have been highlight.

That's just what mean in terms of like the players appreciating the fact that he would be there.

And I'm sure all those young players would massively appreciate the manager being there watching them.

But on the same breath, he strikes me as the type of personality.

Again, might be a unique thing.

Who's got the character and personality in presence around that football club to be able to put the message across in the right way as to why he's not there.

But he hasn't done that on this time.

For some reason, inside the club might have done it publicly.

Yeah, yeah, maybe something that matters in it that the young players know.

You know that he's watching.

He knows what's going on on your way in the world.

The clock isn't aware of the development.

Those young lads is called 100% integrated into the club.

He knows all the young players, what their strengths are, what they are.

I've got no problem with the long some effect of the players into him not being there.

I'm on about just in terms of on the night.

The performance of those players being better and more intensive manages their because, as a young player, and I think you'll agree when you when you trained as a young lad or got a chance anywhere near the first or even reserved games back then, the first team manager turns up.

It's a big deal.

Unimpressed the gaffer.

It's a big deal now.

I don't I wouldn't have bothered May if if he wasn't in the dugout, necessarily and barking instructions.

But just in the change and wish him all the best before have a quick word of encouragement would it would have helped it short.

But surely your argument is negated by the whole reason that the shadow score is there, that the first team squad having a physical and mental break that must apply to the manager as well also, but yeah, because physically, mentally, mentally.

But I've got no problem with him having a break mentally because of the intensity works with at Sorry, the intensity works out.

But you say Just say I need a break.

I'm not going again.

I think the real reason he wasn't going to get I actually think he probably did want the break.

But it's in saying that you are.

You are putting yourself in a position of people criticize you.

It looks like from the outside that is actually sticking two fingers up in the establishment for creating this extra fixed.

I completely grant.

And I don't think it works both ways.

I think it is there, his hands on and he does it.

If you're gonna turn up and be there managed t take the team.

Don't.

If you don't do that, you've got after beating serve until Saturday, you will be within Sunday.

They don't know you haven't because he made a good point about the preparation with the manager coach with quickly, but also he had that group of players in the first leg, and most the majority of those plays bar a few plays with him he did, but he had the majority of those lads of starting tonight and that guy man, the previous guests along.

It's No, it's not about his dedications in the young players that Liverpool.

It's just about for me.

It's very simple.

The impact on the evening, they've won the game now, so that's why it's less relevant.

But if they hadn't, I do think the players perform players.

Young players before Mrs generally will rise when the first team managers around the intensity of their place.

I think it's a problem that he feels you're gonna give us a week, a break and then you throw again fixture into the middle of that week.

It's a message.

He's sending a message, I think, as if to say, I'm not goingto t you're offering a break.

We need this break that the English Knee League needs this break over the place running the break, and he could have.

He could have flown off after the games.

Wherever he's going, you know it.

I understand that everyone's got personal lives.

Families, wives might be having a few issues there because you probably a seven day a week type of manager.

You can see that with with it, he's probably booked the breakaway we were talking about.

Didn't Does he need a break or wanna break?

I don't think you need to break your copper.

Think you wanted one, and that's all right.

But you say it because no Liverpool found on the planet's going to say, you don't deserve No one's going to say you're a bad manager for needing a break into reenergized refresh.

Just Well, I think everyone knows it, don't they?

Because why else is he not there?

There's no other reason.

Don't know the reason he's not there are in my earpiece.

Usual East used to break himself was well in Germany.

He say, Houston, I think he's saying to the the authorities, and I'm not putting up with this.

I'm actually gonna dig meals in and said, No, I'm not going again because you've said of a break.

What, having a break?

And I don't think that's the right reason for not being there.

Well, they want.

So anyway, what does it matter?