Errr...

呃...

It's like a pirate ship full of scurvy dogs, vagabonds and ne'er-do-wells,

就像是一艘滿載著患有壞血病的狗跟好吃懶做流浪漢的海盜船

and a couple of half-decent football teams every now and again!

有些成績不俗的足球隊

And a couple of half-decent bands.

以及一些不賴的樂團

Much the same as Liverpool, really.

就跟利物浦一樣

Liverpool.

利物浦

Manchester.

曼徹斯特

Identity.

各有特色

Originality.

具獨創性

Industry.

工業

Radicalism.

激進

History.

歷史

Music.

音樂

Football.

足球

Liverpool the city, if I had to describe it I think I'd just use one word.

要我形容利物浦　只有一個詞

Famous.

舉世聞名

To us, the centre of the known universe, innit?

對我們而言　就是宇宙的中心　不是嗎?

Music, fashion, politics.

音樂　時尚　政治

You can't be coming from Liverpool if you're not involved in one of them.

如果你和這三者沒有半點關係　就不是利物浦人

It had The Beatles, didn't it? And after that it struggled.

來自這個城市的披頭四　是嗎？在這時期後城市開始衰退

It is a prettier city than Manchester.

它比曼徹斯特還要美

It's just wasted on you lot, innit?

跟你說這些只是在浪費時間　不是嗎?

And the people here, we're different.

這裡的人們很特別

Tony Wilson used to say, "We do things differently here".

湯尼‧威爾森曾說過　這裡的人做事方法不一樣

You can't bull**** when you're in Manchester, you've got to be yourself.

你在曼徹斯特可不能滿嘴空話　你必須做你自己

It's working-class,

工人階級

it's dead cocky,

目中無人

we basically love ourselves.

我們只愛自己

Two of the world's greatest cities, 30 miles apart,

兩個世界級城市　相距30英里

so much in common but so much that divides them.

有很多共同點　卻又各自相異

Our little corner of England has probably contributed more to sport,

在英格蘭的一角　對運動

to culture, to music,

文化　音樂

to science, to technology,

科學　科技

to industry than any other corner of the world.

乃至工業　付出比任何一個世界角落還要大的卓越貢獻

But we don't recognise that in each other.

但我們再也分不清彼此

Ron Atkinson said once, if you go to Anfield it's like going to Vietnam.

朗‧阿金森曾經說過　到安菲爾德就像到越南

You just turn into an animal when you're in the ground,

現場的你會變成一頭野獸

you just lose your head, it's embarrassing.

你失去理性　讓自己丟臉

If someone filmed you, you'd be going, "That's not me, is it?"

如果有人拍下你一舉一動　你會說　這個人不是我吧

But where did this rivalry start, how has it changed through the years

但長年的競爭關係從何而起?

and why does it keep getting stronger?

為何競爭關係越來越強烈?

300 years ago Liverpool built the first enclosed commercial wet dock in the world.

300年前利物浦興建了世界第一座封閉式商業船塢

That's where it all began, I think, for Liverpool, that's where it all went boom.

我認為這是利物浦的發展起源　從那時起蒸蒸日上

It speeded up the loading and offloading of the cargos

貨物吞吐量逐步上升

and it speeded up Liverpool's trade.

同時帶動了利物浦的貿易

This was the second city

它成為大英帝國

of the British Empire,

的第二大城

a thriving port city.

一個繁榮的港口城市

There was that many ships lined up on the Pier Head

許多船隻在碼頭組成船隊

people couldn't even see the Mersey beyond it,

人們甚至只能看到船隻擋住了城市景觀

and there was people there from the Americas, from Asia,

美國及亞洲的人們來到此地

with these foreign tongues,

說著外國語言

who brought so much wealth to Liverpool.

為利物浦帶來巨大的財富

Herman Melville, who wrote Moby Dick,

白鯨記的作者赫爾曼·梅爾維爾

he likened Liverpool's dock system to the Great Lakes in North America.

他將利物浦的碼頭系統比作北美五大湖

They were that huge and that impressive.

它們既龐大又令人印象深刻

At the same time, fuelled by the Industrial Revolution,

同一時期　在工業革命推動下

Manchester began to boom.

曼徹斯特開始蓬勃發展

We're a people of doers.

我們是做事的人

We invented the whole UK textile industry.

我們開拓整個英國的紡織產業

Arkwright's Mill, that was

阿克萊特紡織廠

the first industrial building on earth.

是世上第一座工業建築

And it became known the world over as 'Cottonopolis'.

讓這個城市逐漸以綿都之稱在世界打響名號

The hotbed of early labour movements,

是早期勞工運動的溫床

Marx and Engels wrote the Communist Manifesto for Manchester.

馬克斯與恩格斯為曼徹斯特寫下了共產黨宣言

A really radical city; the TUC were founded here, Suffragettes, Peterloo Massacre -

一個非常激進的城市　在這裡發起了工會大會　婦女參政運動　彼得盧屠殺事件

the history is astonishing.

令人驚嘆的歷史

The two cities were even linked by the world's first steam-powered railway.

甚至世界第一條蒸汽動力火車鐵路也和這兩個城市連接

But in the late 1800s, Manchester began to suffer an economic decline

但在19世紀後期　曼徹斯特開始面臨經濟蕭條

and things were soon being pointed at the neighbours on the Mersey.

他們開始怪罪鄰近的默西塞德城市

The raw materials that were coming into Manchester had to come into Liverpool,

運送到曼徹斯特的原物料必需經過利物浦

the biggest port in the country at the time, bigger than London.

它是當時英國最大的港口　比倫敦更大

It was costing a fortune.

因此會花費不少錢

ANDY MITTEN: That was what led to the Manchester Ship Canal being built.

這是曼徹斯特興建運河的起因

They wanted to bypass Liverpool, the greed of the Liverpool merchants,

他們想繞過利物浦及利物浦的貪心商人

building all your grand houses in the centre of Liverpool,

在利物浦市中心蓋豪宅

which are still very nice.

還蓋得有聲有色

Mancunians are very proud of the Ship Canal

曼徹斯特人對運河引以為傲

and very quick to say that it effectively brought the sea to Manchester.

將海水引入曼徹斯特產生立竿見影的效果

Xxxxxx you lot off a bit, didn't it?

就像被背刺一樣　不是嗎

And that's probably the start of the whole rivalry.

這可能就是競爭關係的起源

Football was becoming a regular pastime within northern working-class communities.

足球成為北方工人階級社區的休閒活動

And one of the many new teams springing up was a certain Newton Heath.

眾多新興足球隊裡　其中有支來自牛頓希思的球隊

Newton Heath started up in 1878, playing in amongst the cotton mills

牛頓希思成立於1878年

and cramped factories of inner-city east Manchester.

在紡織廠以及曼徹斯特東部市中心的狹窄工廠裡踢球

For a short time they wore those famous green and gold shirts

他們曾短暫穿著綠金色相間的球衣

and were reasonably successful.

成為相當成功的球隊

14 years later Liverpool FC were formed, in 1892, wearing blue and white.

14年後的1892年　利物浦足球俱樂部成立　球衣顏色藍白相間

While Liverpool were on the up, Newton Heath were on the slide.

當利物浦的戰績向上爬升時　牛頓希思卻走下坡

In 1894, the year the Ship Canal was opened,

1894年運河開始營運

Newton Heath were rock-bottom of the First Division.

牛頓希思是第一級聯盟裡的下游隊伍

To save their skin, they entered into a playoff against the Second Division champions.

為了保有顏面　他們與第二級聯盟冠軍打季後賽

Liverpool were the champions of the old second tier,

利物浦曾經是第二級聯盟冠軍

and it was a one-off game, a playoff,

那是一場一次性比賽　一場季後賽

and Liverpool won 2-0.

利物浦以2-0贏球

That was the first really when we put one over on United,

這是我們跟曼聯的第一場對戰

or Newton Heath as they were called.

也可稱之為跟牛頓希思的對戰　曼聯的舊名

By 1902 they became Manchester United,

1902他們改名為曼徹斯特聯

and by 1909 they moved to Old Trafford.

1909年起他們搬進了老特拉福德球場

The first game at Old Trafford was against Liverpool, I forget the score...

第一場在老特拉福德球場的球賽便是對戰利物浦　我忘記比分多少

I can't remember the score.

我不記得比分了

Liverpool came to town and beat them 4-3.

利物浦做客打敗他們　4-3

They must have been a bit sore about that, they probably owed us one from an early time.

他們一定有點不開心　也許從那時起就心有介蒂

The next notable meeting between the teams would go down in history.

兩隊的第二次重要對戰將刻劃歷史

But for the wrong reasons.

但卻出自錯誤的原因

On Good Friday 1915, United were facing relegation, and Liverpool came to their aid.

在1915年的耶穌受難日　曼聯即將面臨降級　利物浦成為他們的救星

United won 2-0 and avoided the drop,

曼聯以2-0獲勝而免除降級

but later investigations found that players

但隨後調查發現

from both sides had rigged the game.

兩邊的球員操縱球賽

It was an infamous episode

這事件是兩支球隊歷史中

in the history of both clubs.

不太光彩的插曲

Liverpool won two league titles in the 1920s, while United stagnated.

利物浦在1920年代贏得兩次冠軍頭銜　此時曼聯戰績停滯不前

Then, in the wake of the Second World War, the rivalry changed forever.

然而　自第二次世界大戰後　競爭關係發生長遠的變化

Matt Busby played about 120 games for Liverpool,

麥特·巴斯比為利物浦出戰了120場比賽

but I think his Liverpool career was disrupted by the war,

但我認為他在利物浦的職業生涯被戰爭打亂了

and afterwards he was assistant manager to George Kay,

然後他成為喬治·凱的助理教練

but this opportunity arose at Manchester United to be a manager in his own right,

但這也成為讓他升任曼聯總教練的契機

and he went for it.

而他接下了這職務

Matt Busby wanted to be the Liverpool manager,

麥特·巴斯比想要成為利物浦的總教練

but he was only offered a coaching role.

但利物浦只給他助教的職務

When he left, I think there was a bit of animosity there,

我想他是帶著些許恨意離開的

because they usually give them a going away match, or testimonial match,

因為他們總是安排他參加客場或告別賽

and it never happened.

但賽事卻從未舉辦過

And I think if you talk to Liverpool fans of a certain vintage,

我認為如果你跟某些特定年代的利物浦球迷聊聊

they've got an awful lot of respect for Matt Busby.

他們對麥特·巴斯比是滿懷敬意的

A full salute for Matt Busby. If you read about him, one of the nicest people,

向麥特·巴斯比致敬　如果你讀過他的故事　就知道他是個很好的人

doesn't matter who you support, you'd never say a bad word about him.

不管你支持哪一隊　你不會說他半句壞話

I think - and I'm ashamed to say this -

我認為　而且必需慚愧的說

I was probably 16 when I found out he'd played for Liverpool.

我十六歲時得知他曾為利物浦效力

Which is a remarkably late time to know such a fact.

很晚才得知這件事

Especially if we consider that, in the 1960s, he was voted by Liverpool fans

尤其當你想到在1960年代　他被利物浦球迷票選為

to be their captain in their perfect team of the last 100 years.

百年內最佳隊伍的隊長時

I've always maintained this to United fans - his heart was in Liverpool.

我總是對曼聯球迷保留這個看法　他的心在利物浦

Under Busby, United continued to blossom.

在巴斯比執教之下　曼聯繼續開花結果

They won the league in 1956 and 1957.

他們拿下1956及1957年聯賽冠軍

They had a young team that people tipped to go on and achieve greatness,

他們是支年輕的隊伍　隊員們渴望繼續前進並取得卓越成就

But then, disaster struck.

但是　災難隨後降臨

I can remember the moment when I heard about the Munich air disaster.

1958年2月6日　參加歐洲杯的曼聯球員回程搭乘的班機在慕尼黑墜毀

I think that was the first time I ever saw my father cry.

23人罹難　包括8名曼聯球員及3名職員

The city was numb, as it would be if it happened now to any major football club.

我還記得當聽到慕尼黑空難的那一刻

It's a terrible thing to happen.

我想應該是第一次看見我父親落淚

I think Liverpool, like a lot of clubs at the time,

這個城市彷彿停頓了　這情況就算是發生在現在的大型足球俱樂部也是一樣

said they'd lend players to United in the aftermath of Munich.

這是相當可怕的事情

And rightly so.

利物浦　就跟當時大部分的足球俱樂部一樣

It was on the front page of the Echo.

紛紛表示他們會在慕尼黑空難後將球員租借給曼聯

That generation of Liverpool fans would have remembered Matt playing for Liverpool,

想當然爾

so to find out he was part of that would have been awful.

這成為了迴聲報的頭條新聞

The 1960s saw Liverpool and Manchester United competing directly for honours

那個世代的利物浦球迷記得麥特曾為利物浦效力

for the very first time.

所以發現他曾經歷過這場空難實在太可怕了

Matt Busby's old friend Bill Shankly took over at Liverpool

1960年代　首次看見利物浦與曼聯

and hauled them out of the Second Division.

為獲得榮譽的直接競爭

Busby and Shankly were born between 30 miles of each other.

麥特·巴斯比的老朋友比爾·香克利執教利物浦

When Shankly first arrived at Liverpool,

帶領他們離開第二級聯盟

it was Matt Busby that kept convincing him not to leave.

巴斯比和香克利兩人的出生地相距不到30英里

In 1963 United won the cup. The following year Liverpool won the league.

當香克利一開始進到利物浦時

In 1965 United won the league and Liverpool won the cup,

是麥特·巴斯比一直說服他不要離隊

in '66 Liverpool won the league,

1963年曼聯贏得聯賽杯　隔年利物浦贏得聯賽冠軍

and then the following year, in '67, United won the league.

1965年則是曼聯贏得聯賽冠軍　利物浦贏得聯賽杯

So at this time, in a sporting sense, the two clubs are really going up against each other.

66年利物浦贏得聯賽冠軍

There was definitely a competitiveness there between the two teams,

接著隔年1967年　曼聯贏得聯賽冠軍

but I think, again, for fans of that generation there wasn't the same edge

在此時　運動競技面上　這兩個俱樂部相互對抗

I don't think that there was with Leeds.

這兩隻隊伍競爭力旗鼓相當

The rivalry was there, but the hate wasn't there then.

但我還是認為　對那一代的球迷而言並沒有對立關係

It wasn't there then.

我不認為跟利茲聯的情況一樣

My first away Liverpool match was April 1963.

有競爭關係　但沒有仇恨

You could go where you wanted, so we just went into the Kop.

至少當時還沒有

Can you imagine Liverpool fans now

我第一場客場觀賽去利物浦是在1963年4月

going around the ground and getting involved with Man United,

隨意入座　所以我們進入Kop看台區

or they come round to the Kop? Cos that's what they used to do years ago.

若是現在你能想像嗎　利物浦球迷

All the Liverpool supporters were bothered about - "Can you see the pitch, son?"

四處走動　跟曼聯球迷互動

You've got this little lad from Higher Openshaw

或是讓他們接近Kop看台？　因為多年前他們是這麼做的

on the east side of Manchester being looked after by the Kopites.

所有利物浦支持者會問　"小朋友　你看得到比賽嗎？＂

Just imagine that happening today.

接住這個來自曼徹斯特曼徹斯特東邊

It just wouldn't happen, put it that way!

奧彭肖的小朋友正被紅軍迷照顧著

I used to speak to my dad about it when he was alive,

想像在今天發生這樣的事

and he said there was never any rivalry against Liverpool per se.

可以說　沒可能發生了！

I remember watching Liverpool against Arsenal 1971, Steve Heighway,

我父親在世時　我曾經跟他聊過

didn't they go 1-0 up, Liverpool?

他說當時根本就沒有跟利物浦的對抗

COMMENTATOR: Still Heighway, dangerous indeed - oh, goal!

我記得看過利物浦對兵工廠1971年的比賽　史提夫·海威

We supported Liverpool, because they were nearer to Manchester.

利物浦1-0　沒錯吧?

You speak to my old man - "I had time for Liverpool,

史提夫·海威　危險了　噢　進球了!

"great team, great manager, Bill Shankly."

我們支持利物浦　因為他們鄰近曼徹斯特

Loved Roger Hunt, amazingly, what a great player he was.

你跟我老爸談談他會說　我有時會支持利物浦

A real chance for Roger Hunt!

偉大的隊伍　偉大的教練　比爾·香克利

He'd always say, my dad, that the best player he ever saw at Anfield was George Best.

我愛羅傑·杭特　讓人驚奇的偉大球員

If not the best player that ever lived, he's equal to the best player that ever lived.

羅傑·杭特的絕佳機會!

Real chance here for Best!

我老爸總是說　他在安菲爾德看過最好的球員是喬治·貝斯特

I think I once read that Bill Shankly thought the same.

他若不是有史以來最好的球員　那麼他就跟有史以來最好的球員一樣優秀

In 1968 Manchester United found themselves on the cusp of greatness

喬治·貝斯特的絕佳機會!

when they became the first English side to reach a European Cup final.

好像我曾經讀過比爾·香克利也有同樣看法

A feat Liverpool were denied three years earlier by Inter Milan.

1968年當他們成為第一支打進歐洲杯決賽的英格蘭隊伍時

I think it caught the imagination of the nation,

曼徹斯特意識到自己是偉大高端的球隊

because of what had gone on 10 years before.

三年前這項壯舉曾在利物浦敗於國際米蘭時止步

As kids we didn't really think too much about it,

我想這帶起這個國家人們的想像

we just thought Liverpool were a great team

因為十年前所發生的事

and United had won the European Cup.

做為孩子我們真的不會想太多

We weren't thinking, "They've won the first European Cup",

我們只會認為利物浦是支偉大的球隊

that wasn't in our mindset, because Celtic had done it.

而曼聯已經贏得了歐洲杯

It was sort of the end of an era, the end of Sir Matt Busby's dynasty.

我們不會這麼想　"他們已經贏得了第一個歐洲杯"

Because after that United drained away.

我們沒有這種想法　因為塞爾提克已經贏過了

Football fan culture was changing.

這是一個時代的終結　麥特·巴斯比爵士朝代的終結

The gentle mockery of the 1960s terraces was giving way to something entirely different.

因為之後曼聯就耗盡了力量

Society changed, factor in social issues such as football hooliganism

足球俱樂部文化已經改變

and the rivalry became very heated.

和1960年代看台上的輕鬆嘲弄已經截然不同

Huge rivalries between football clubs started when people were more mobile.

社會改變了　足球流氓等社會問題的因素

When they started to go to away games.

讓比賽的對抗性急劇加溫

All right, there was a trickle at first,

當人們頻繁的隨隊移動時　足球俱樂部之間就開始了強大的競爭

but then it became a fashion.

他們開始會到客場觀賽

Opposition fans started singing on the terraces.

好吧　一開始只有一小群人

By people singing, that's identification.

但後來它形成風潮

♫ We shall not, we shall not be moved! ♫

客場球迷開始在看台上唱歌

You can go the match with your mates and stand with them and scream with them.

人們唱的內容就能辨識他們的身份

My first trip to Old Trafford was with my dad in November '72,

♫ 我們不會　我們不會改變!♫

and I couldn't understand the level of animosity.

你可以跟朋友站在一塊看球　跟他們一起嘶吼

As a youngster you're thinking, "Don't say anything, Dad",

我第一次跟老爸去老特拉福球場客場看球是在1972年11月

because I knew the danger.

我不清楚互相仇視的程度到底有多高

You look at the average attendances,

做為孩子的我心裡想著　"老爸什麼都別說"

United and Liverpool were becoming the best two supported teams in England.

因為我意識到有危險

With that came animosity.

你看看平均觀賽人數

We were the biggest team of the sixties, then we had no successor to Busby,