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  • -I want to talk about so much with you.

  • We'll get to the coronavirus, too.

  • -Yeah. -But I figured, let's just start

  • with the debates and the campaigns and what's happening.

  • I mean, South Carolina.

  • -South Carolina was this weekend.

  • -That was a big win for Joe Biden.

  • -Yes. So, he won with like 50% of vote,

  • which is a big deal in any of these primaries.

  • But when there's still a gazillion people running,

  • having that much of the vote was, like,

  • a real landslide for him.

  • And so, he has been running for President for like 33 years.

  • -Yes, that's right.

  • -He's run a bunch of different times.

  • This is actually the first time he's ever won a state.

  • So it's got to be sort of a tender moment for Joe Biden.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • But in this campaign it's -- it is a turning point,

  • and so now you've seen, since he won,

  • Pete Buttigieg has dropped out, Amy Klobuchar has dropped out.

  • They're both endorsing him as of tonight.

  • It puts a lot of pressure on Mike Bloomberg,

  • in terms what's gonna happen with him

  • with Super Tuesday tomorrow.

  • Just -- It's like all systems go.

  • Everything's in motion after South Carolina.

  • -Is this the most wildest thing you've ever seen, or no?

  • -Yeah. -It is.

  • -Yeah. -Do you like that?

  • Or is it too much work for you? -No, it's exciting.

  • I mean, because the Trump presidency is what it is...

  • -Yep. -...this is probably

  • the most important Democratic presidential primary

  • since you and I have been alive. -Yep.

  • -And for it to be totally unpredictable and chaotic

  • and always in constant motion and to have a cast of thousands,

  • including some people who aren't playing in some of the contests

  • but are nevertheless, spending a half billion dollars,

  • I mean, it's insane.

  • But it's probably -- it probably ought to be insane.

  • It probably ought to be this kinetic,

  • because it's so important.

  • But I mean, anybody who tells you they know

  • what's gonna happen tomorrow for Super Tuesday

  • is either lying or trying to sell you something.

  • -Yeah. -It is very unpredictable

  • at this point. -It is.

  • Because what we've heard is that Bernie Sanders

  • is gonna be kind of a lock for tomorrow.

  • -Well, he's -- I mean, there's 14 different states.

  • And so Bernie has definitely done better than anybody else

  • in the contest thus far. -Yeah.

  • -That said, he did very well in the first three contests,

  • which were comparatively small.

  • Biden's actually obtained more votes just with his big win

  • in South Carolina than Bernie had in any of his --

  • in the first three states combined.

  • So I mean, depending on which way you're looking at it,

  • I mean, you can make a case for any potential outcome

  • at this point, but it's about a third of the delegates at stake.

  • -Wow. -And you need to pile up

  • a certain number of delegates in order to win the nomination.

  • And so there are no -- there's no bigger day

  • in the primary than tomorrow. -Wow.

  • -And so, you know, in a lot of places where people are gonna be

  • going to vote, there's gonna be all of these people who are

  • listed on the ballot who are no longer in the race.

  • Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Tom Steyer, Pete Buttigieg,

  • Amy Klobuchar -- all these people who have dropped out.

  • -Yeah. -The remaining candidates

  • are fighting it out among them, and nobody knows if anybody's

  • gonna put together enough delegates

  • to actually win the thing before the convention happens

  • this summer. -Wait. What?

  • -I know. -So, wait.

  • So we might not know who the nominee is?

  • -Right. Right now, it is more likely

  • than not that we will go to the convention

  • with nobody having a majority of delegates.

  • And what happens there is that means that they decide

  • at the convention, which is gonna be bananas.

  • [ Laughter ] -Oh, my God.

  • -Totally bananas. -Wow!

  • That really is bananas. -Yeah.

  • -Have people sent in early votes?

  • -Yes. Millions of them.

  • -So they voted for people that are out?

  • -Yes. By the millions.

  • -Can they revote? -In some cases, you can.

  • In some cases, you can get your ballot back

  • if the person you voted for is now no longer in the race.

  • -Wow. -But don't get me started.

  • It's all these different jurisdictions,

  • and everybody's got their own rules.

  • -Yeah. -So it is -- it's wild.

  • I mean, and I think you see in both parties when they have

  • really wild primaries, people think,

  • "Oh, they'll never get back together.

  • They're only helping the other side.

  • They're just tearing each other down."

  • You know, it always feels that way,

  • but it's a normal part of the process.

  • They're supposed to fight it out.

  • This is the way they're supposed to work.

  • The thing you want is for them all to pledge to work together

  • at the end for the same goal.

  • And there's no reason to think that won't happen.

  • -What do you think about Warren or Bloomberg for this?

  • -Bloomberg is running a weird campaign.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • I mean, a half a billion dollars,

  • and he's not been on the ballot yet.

  • -This is the first time he's on the ballot.

  • -Tomorrow will be the first time he's on the ballot.

  • Yeah. And he's pledging that

  • if he's not the nominee, he'll get out of the race,

  • but his money will stay in.

  • So, his money will continue to run for president.

  • But he will not. [ Laughter ]

  • He literally said he's gonna keep open his campaign offices

  • and everything all the way until November,

  • even if he has dropped out of the race, which is crazy.

  • Want to know what's crazier? -Yeah.

  • -Bernie says, "I don't want your money."

  • Bernie says, "If I'm the nominee,

  • I won't take your help." So...

  • -What is going on? [ Laughter ]

  • This is the most bizarre thing in the entire world.

  • -Yes, it is. -Wow.

  • -This is why I have the best job in the world.

  • My job is literally to try to figure it out and explain it.

  • -Yeah. -Which is -- It's like Sisyphus.

  • Yeah, it's not working. But it's -- it's fun.

  • [ Laughter ] -That is bizarre.

  • -It's bizarre, and it's super important.

  • And it's totally unpredictable.

-I want to talk about so much with you.

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