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  • - Hey guys, this is Austin.

  • This is the RTX 2080 Ti liquid cooled Thunderbolt gaming box.

  • Now, I have three questions.

  • First of all, what exactly is the point

  • of pairing the most powerful

  • consumer graphics card available

  • in a Thunderbolt enclosure?

  • My second question is, does it make any sense whatsoever?

  • I mean you have the bottleneck of Thunderbolt,

  • you have the bottleneck of whatever thin and light

  • laptop you connect it to,

  • and finally, and probably most importantly of all,

  • is this worth the massive $1500 price tag?

  • Let's find out, shall we?

  • So up front, we have a USB 3.0 port,

  • and if we flip around to the back,

  • we actually have a pretty decent selection of ports.

  • Including all the graphics outputs.

  • We have Type C, Thunderbolt USB as well as ethernet.

  • This is a very weird concept,

  • because on one hand you have an RTX 2080 Ti.

  • You have the ridiculous overkill capabilities

  • of what you're going to get out of water cooling.

  • So, realistically you should be overclocking it.

  • On the other hand, you have limitations of Thunderbolt.

  • Now, they do have what seems to be a pretty decent

  • liquid cooling set up here.

  • So we have a 240 mil radiator on the top,

  • and a waterblock over the GPU itself,

  • as well as the VRM.

  • I mean you've got the dual 120 mil fans,

  • which are exhausting straight out the top.

  • It has a dedicated 450 watt power supply right down here.

  • I mean, this looks like a pretty solid gaming setup.

  • I guess there's only one way to find out.

  • So for testing we'll be taking advantage of my daily driver,

  • a 2019 Dell XPS 13 2-in-1,

  • with 10th gen Core i7,

  • as well as importantly Thunderbolt.

  • As when you're using one of these GPUs,

  • you need Thunderbolt 3 built into your laptop

  • or desktop or whatever.

  • Now another reason why I'm using the XPS 13,

  • is I think this is sorta the sweet spot.

  • So obviously there are much beefier,

  • much more powerful gaming laptops

  • that do take advantage of Thunderbolt.

  • However, if you've got something that thick and that bulky,

  • you probably already have a decent GPU anyway.

  • Whereas this, while the integrated graphics are fine,

  • they're certainly not up to hardcore gaming.

  • Which is where this supposedly will come in huge handy.

  • (music stops) Huge handy?

  • - Wow. - Mm.

  • - Mm. - Mm.

  • - Huge-handy, I don't like that one.

  • (laughing)

  • That's something you have to pay for, I'm sorry.

  • - Hey, when you pay $1500 for a GPU,

  • you get a huge handy.

  • (guitar music)

  • I feel not particularly happy with this monitor right now.

  • It is freaking really hard on this display.

  • Argh, damn it, nothing works.

  • Uh, so one slight issue that we've had

  • is that it does not like running on the internal display.

  • So I just disable the internal display,

  • but Battlefield doesn't understand

  • that I have two screens connected

  • because generally speaking with Thunderbolt

  • you don't want to run with the internal display on

  • because it's soaking up your bandwidth.

  • Can I please kick it over?

  • Oh, look at that!

  • Okay, this is not respecting me at all right now.

  • (banging on desk rhythmically)

  • (clicking keyboard)

  • (banging on desk)

  • - How's tech support in the forest?

  • (laughing)

  • - I don't think this is necessarily the game box's fault.

  • This is just a matter of Thunderbolt and this XPS

  • are really not agreeing.

  • It just doesn't understand how to deal with this monitor.

  • - Do you think another Thunderbolt laptop would work?

  • - Maybe.

  • - So it's another day and surprise, surprise,

  • switching to the Razer Blade,

  • a laptop which is actually designed

  • to work with an external GPU, is working flawlessly.

  • So the setup is exactly the same as it was yesterday.

  • So we have the Blade.

  • The screen is turned off to get the maximum performance.

  • Now let's see if this actually works.

  • Wouldn't that be lovely?

  • Okay, we are up and running with a very cinematic 23 FPS.

  • (laughing)

  • So I am not particularly surprised

  • considering that we are running it

  • literally with everything completely maxed out.

  • Let me bring a couple settings down

  • to something reasonable and see what we get.

  • Oh, look at that!

  • Literally just by turning my ray tracing from ultra to medium

  • we went from 20 to 40 FPS.

  • I mean you can see it looks incredible.

  • This is definitely a scenario in which

  • we are getting some real performance out of the 2080 Ti.

  • So next up we have GTA 5.

  • Now this might not seem like a really obvious choice.

  • However it's actually still a pretty good game to test.

  • Specifically DirectX 11 and, very specifically, CPU usage.

  • So this is a game, which, once you crank it up

  • can still actually be fairly demanding.

  • So this is mostly maxed settings at 4k.

  • So we're in like the mid-30s right now

  • and we can certainly turn the settings down

  • but I actually think this is where

  • we're starting to run into some bottlenecking.

  • So even though the Razer Blade

  • is still a fairly powerful laptop,

  • it's still using a mobile chip.

  • Which mean that while it will boost up

  • to a fairly high clock speed,

  • over time as you're hitting it with

  • a pretty sustained load,

  • that clock speed will start to drop

  • which will start to hurt our performance.

  • This is fine and we can very easily

  • turn the settings down just a little bit

  • and probably be well above 60 FPS.

  • But I do think this is probably the first real example

  • of a game which is starting to run, not necessarily badly,

  • but this is nowhere near what I would expect

  • a 2080 Ti to do if it had a better CPU

  • and wasn't being bottlenecked by Thunderbolt.

  • So for reference, I have this same graphics card

  • paired with a Core i7-9700k

  • getting 12,750 points in the Time Spy test.

  • Now, we're not going to hit that.

  • But I'm curious to see exactly how close we are

  • obviously with whatever bottlenecks that exist.

  • CPU I'd think is definitely going to be one of them.

  • Okay, and our score is, ooh, 9600.

  • Okay, so that's not terrible

  • but we are certainly losing performance,

  • not only on the CPU score, but specifically,

  • even the graphics score is a little bit down

  • than compared to what I would expect.

  • For reference, though, that is still over three times

  • more powerful than the GTX 1650 which is inside this laptop.

  • So there's no doubt that we're getting

  • a huge performance gain.

  • It's just that a water-cooled 2080 Ti

  • is obviously going to be bottlenecked

  • running over Thunderbolt.

  • Now what I'm curious about is if we

  • actually start overclocking it

  • can we get that much higher, or are we just

  • fundamentally limited by this setup that we have here?

  • Let's, uh, let's see.

  • So Gigabyte does offer some software

  • that will supposedly autoscan for GPU boost.

  • I don't know exactly how good this is going to be.

  • I assume not great,

  • but let's see what we can actually get.

  • - You see what I would do is get it to

  • whatever the slider lets you go to and work it down.

  • - Is that the School of Ken Overclocking?

  • Crank it up to 11 and figure it out later?

  • - Yeah.

  • - Or you could go maximum at all times.

  • So it, wait, no, that's dumb

  • because if I had it set to this

  • it only goes to a higher clock speed

  • when it gets hotter! (laughing)

  • Fan speed is fine.

  • GPU voltage will not let me unlock,

  • oh I can unlock, okay, cool, yeah.

  • Give me a hundred more.

  • I'll leave memory alone and I'll do manual GPU boost of--

  • - All the way!

  • No, I'm not gonna...

  • It's not gonna work if I do it all the way.

  • - Why not?

  • - Why not?

  • It's just not gonna work.

  • - We'll never find out.

  • We'll never know if you don't do it.

  • (laughing)

  • - Why do I let you talk me into these dumb things?

  • All right.

  • (laughing)

  • Wow, Ken, I can't believe that didn't work!

  • No way!

  • (laughing)

  • - As Wayne Gretzky said,

  • "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

  • - How is that a shot?

  • You crank something up to a million

  • and it doesn't work, the end.

  • Like, that's not--

  • - We also have the most powerful laptop

  • on the face of the planet. (laughing)

  • I'm just gonna restart the whole system now.

  • God damn it.

  • Okay, so we have now done the auto overclocking tool

  • with the 2080 Ti.

  • I did manually bump up, not only the power limit,

  • but also the GPU temperature. And let's see what we've got.

  • So again, for reference, before we overclocked

  • we had a score of 9,628.

  • Let's see if this actually made a difference

  • or whether our watercooling is not useful.

  • The suspense is real. Ooh!

  • That's very slightly better. So 10,072.

  • Look, if I'm gonna be real for a second

  • this actually is pretty impressive.

  • So we're getting most of the performance

  • out of our 2080 Ti using Thunderbolt.

  • And you have to consider that there are

  • two major bottlenecks.

  • So first of all is the Thunderbolt 3 port.

  • Now while, yes, it's quite fast,

  • you still are only getting about

  • a quarter of the bandwidth than

  • using a PCI slot on a desktop motherboard.

  • It's not the end of the world

  • but it does hurt performance.

  • But probably our biggest bottleneck here

  • is the mobile Core i7 inside this laptop.

  • Now, don't get me wrong.

  • The Blade Stealth is a very nice laptop

  • and you do get a lot of power for a 13 inch laptop,

  • but at the end of the day you have

  • severe thermal limitations and power restraints

  • compared to a full desktop.

  • So if I was using a Core i7 on a desktop

  • I could easily tune it to go well over

  • 100 watts of power, lots of cores, lots of clock speed.

  • But on a laptop, you're really limited.

  • I mean, we're realistically using, like what,

  • a fifth that power budget,

  • and it can't boost anywhere near as high.

  • And when you combine those two

  • it totally makes sense that we're losing some performance.

  • But 20% based on all that is actually not too far to drop.

  • However, I have one more thing I want to try.

  • So this is the AORUS 2070 gaming box.

  • So they actually make a couple of these.

  • So this is the one that I think

  • is probably the best bet for most people,

  • or at least that was my assumption

  • before starting this video,

  • as essentially what you get here

  • is still a very high-end graphics card

  • but it is significantly cheaper.

  • So that's actually one of the things

  • that I haven't really touched on too much.

  • $1500 for a RTX 2080 Ti gaming box

  • sounds excessive and extreme,

  • but when you actually start looking at it,

  • it's not a bad value.

  • So the 2080 Ti,

  • if you just want to buy that graphics card, is $1200.

  • So if you consider that the extra $300

  • goes into the enclosure, all the Thunderbolt peripherals,

  • as well as stuff like the ethernet and USB,

  • you also have watercooling, RGB.

  • That's not cheap.

  • And when you consider that Razer

  • is one of the companies who makes a lot

  • of these gaming enclosures, these GPU enclosures,

  • they're charging usually about $300 for it by itself.

  • This is actually a pretty respectable deal.

  • My real question here is that, while this is good,

  • should you just save yourself a few hundred dollars

  • and buy something that's not quite as powerful?

  • I think that might actually be a pretty smart move.

  • So now we have the RTX 2070 gaming box connected.

  • The nice thing is they all use the exact same cables

  • and drivers are all set up,

  • so it's literally just a plug and play kind of thing.

  • So again, for reference, the 2080 Ti got 9,628

  • whereas the 2070 got 7,117.

  • Hmm.

  • So essentially, the pricing difference is almost double.

  • So this is about $800 versus $1500 for the 2080 Ti.

  • So right now, while yes, the 2070 is what 25% off,

  • it actually isn't wildly off of a normal RTX 2070.

  • So while, yes, this is cheaper,

  • so we're looking at an $800 GPU enclosure

  • as opposed to a $1500 one,

  • you're not sort of seeing that

  • doubling of performance by any stretch.

  • This is a lot smaller and it's cheaper.

  • I would argue it's better for most people.

  • However, the real question here is not so much

  • is this a practical good idea to spend this much money,

  • but rather should you buy an RTX 2080 Ti

  • and push it to the absolute limit?

  • Not counting your overclocking,

  • but like, something a little bit more grand than that.

  • (clears throat)

  • (upbeat electronic music)

  • So this is the culmination of our Thunderbolt setup.

  • So we have three 4k displays all being powered

  • by the RTX 2080 Ti as well as that Razer Blade

  • which is connected with a single Thunderbolt cable.

  • Or at least, that's what I'd like to tell you.

  • So yes, this set up is currently running

  • on our 2080 Ti Thunderbolt gaming box, but the issue is,

  • well, nothing really wants to work well together.

  • And actually, I will say that this has

  • really nothing to do with the Thunderbolt side

  • and much more more to do with the fact that

  • between our T.V.s, our cables and adapters

  • going into the 2080 Ti,

  • as well as Windows and the NVIDIA software fighting,

  • we've had a real issue trying to get any of this stuff

  • actually up to full resolution.

  • So it is currently playable.

  • You can see I have the wheel up and running

  • but I did have to turn the resolution down to 3840 by 960.

  • Now performance, no problem with that resolution

  • but it doesn't look anywhere near as sharp

  • as it should across three 4k displays.

  • Realistically this is the upper limit of what

  • anyone would really be doing with Thunderbolt.

  • While, yes, this is a perfectly reasonable gaming setup

  • there are a lot of issues.

  • The way I would really prefer to this is if I was using

  • three gaming monitors instead of the T.V.s.

  • While the T.V.s work, there's too many issues

  • with the adapters we have to get over to HDMI

  • for this to be a viable setup,

  • but it does do a good job of showing off

  • that while yes, we're losing a little bit of performance

  • compared to the 2080 Ti and a full dedicated gaming PC,

  • even something like this is totally usable

  • considering we're running on a

  • 13-inch thin and light laptop.

  • Also, I'm really really trying hard not to crash right now

  • and it's not easy.

  • (mimicking car wrecking)

  • No!

  • (banging on wheel)

  • (laughing)

  • It's so hard, man.

  • - So, um I don't know why I'm playing this game.

  • - What?

  • What do you mean you don't know why?

  • - I just got brought into maybe

  • play better or worse than Austin.

  • We will find out.

  • - I have a lot of faith in you, my friend.

  • - Um, you probably shouldn't, but...

  • - All right, well, let's see what you got.

  • What are you doing?

  • Shift faster, you're gonna blow your motor!

  • You only get four of those a year.

  • - (laughing) Do you really?

  • - Yeah. Ken you need ABS.

  • - Oh, Jesus Christ. - And traction control.

  • - And traction control.

  • - Oh! - And I died.

  • I died.

  • - So, Ken, would you like to sum up your experiences

  • as a world class Formula One driver?

  • - Um, yeah.

  • I am very bad at it.

  • (chill electronic music)

  • - Oh, and it crashed.

  • - No, no, no!

  • My beautiful racing set-up!

  • - Oh, and it just shut off.

  • - Wait, the game crashed.

  • Wait, no, the computer's fine, the game just crashed.

  • It couldn't handle our excellent

  • Formula One driving capabilities.

  • Anyway, thank you very much for watching this video

  • all about this ridiculous gaming box.

  • Make sure to subscribe to the channel

  • for more content like this.

  • And until next time, Ken and I are going to Monaco.

  • - Really? - No.

  • - Oh.

  • (upbeat electronic music)

- Hey guys, this is Austin.

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