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  • AND UP NEXT IT IS "HARDBALL" WITH CHRIS MATTHEWS.

  • WITH CHRIS MATTHEWS. >>> THE WHISTLEBLOWER VERSUS THE

  • >>> THE WHISTLEBLOWER VERSUS THE TWEETER.

  • TWEETER. LET’S PLAY HARDBALL.

  • LET’S PLAY HARDBALL. GOOD EVENING, I’M CHRIS MATTHEWS

  • GOOD EVENING, I’M CHRIS MATTHEWS IN WASHINGTON.

  • IN WASHINGTON. FOR TEN DAYS NOW RUNNING IN FACT

  • FOR TEN DAYS NOW RUNNING IN FACT THIS PRESIDENT HAS ATTACKED AND

  • THIS PRESIDENT HAS ATTACKED AND ATTACKED THE WHISTLEBLOWER WHO

  • ATTACKED THE WHISTLEBLOWER WHO DARED TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

  • DARED TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT TRUMP WAS UP TO IN TRADING

  • WHAT TRUMP WAS UP TO IN TRADING U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY FOR

  • U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY FOR SOMETHING HE COULD USE AGAINST

  • SOMETHING HE COULD USE AGAINST HIS POLITICAL RIVALS.

  • HIS POLITICAL RIVALS. IT IS ALL ABOUT TRUMP TRYING TO

  • IT IS ALL ABOUT TRUMP TRYING TO HIDE HIS WRONGDOING NOW BY

  • HIDE HIS WRONGDOING NOW BY MAKING THIS ABOUT HOW HE WAS

  • MAKING THIS ABOUT HOW HE WAS CAUGHT IN THE WRONGDOING.

  • CAUGHT IN THE WRONGDOING. UNABLE TO JUSTIFY HIS BETRAYAL

  • UNABLE TO JUSTIFY HIS BETRAYAL TRUMP’S ATTACKING THE MESSENGER

  • TRUMP’S ATTACKING THE MESSENGER OF COURSE.

  • OF COURSE. LIKE A BOSS IN THE RACKETS HE

  • LIKE A BOSS IN THE RACKETS HE CALLS THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S

  • CALLS THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S SOURCES SPIES AND OBSESSES ABOUT

  • SOURCES SPIES AND OBSESSES ABOUT FINDING OUT THE PERSON EMPHASIS

  • FINDING OUT THE PERSON EMPHASIS TRUE IDENTITY WHICH THE LAW SAYS

  • TRUE IDENTITY WHICH THE LAW SAYS SHOULD BE PROTECTED.

  • SHOULD BE PROTECTED. TRUMP TODAY TWEETED WHY AREN’T

  • TRUMP TODAY TWEETED WHY AREN’T WE ENTITLED TO LEARN ININTERVIEW

  • WE ENTITLED TO LEARN ININTERVIEW THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND ALSO THE

  • THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND ALSO THE PERSON WHO GAVE FALSE

  • PERSON WHO GAVE FALSE INFORMATION TO HIM.

  • INFORMATION TO HIM. TRUMP IS CAUGHT AND REFUSES TO

  • TRUMP IS CAUGHT AND REFUSES TO ADMIT.

  • ADMIT. THE FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER HE

  • THE FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER HE TWEETS, ISN’T HOLDING UP AND

  • TWEETS, ISN’T HOLDING UP AND SAYS HE OR SHE ISN’T A

  • SAYS HE OR SHE ISN’T A WHISTLEBLOWER AFTER ALL.

  • WHISTLEBLOWER AFTER ALL. WELL, IT’S ALL ABOUT PART OF

  • WELL, IT’S ALL ABOUT PART OF WHAT "THE WASHINGTON POST"

  • WHAT "THE WASHINGTON POST" CHARACTERIZED AS AN INCREASINGLY

  • CHARACTERIZED AS AN INCREASINGLY FRENETIC COUNTER ASSAULT

  • FRENETIC COUNTER ASSAULT TARGETING THE ANONYMOUS

  • TARGETING THE ANONYMOUS INTELLIGENCE OFFICER.

  • INTELLIGENCE OFFICER. TRUMP’S STRATEGY, HOWEVER,

  • TRUMP’S STRATEGY, HOWEVER, IGNORES THE FACT THE

  • IGNORES THE FACT THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT IS NOW

  • WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT IS NOW BESIDE THE POINT BECAUSE TRUMP’S

  • BESIDE THE POINT BECAUSE TRUMP’S WRONGDOING IS ALREADY

  • WRONGDOING IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED, WELL-ESTABLISHED BY

  • ESTABLISHED, WELL-ESTABLISHED BY THE WHITE HOUSE SUMMARY OF HIS

  • THE WHITE HOUSE SUMMARY OF HIS CALL WITH UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT

  • CALL WITH UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY.

  • ZELENSKY. RESPONDING TO THE PRESIDENT’S

  • RESPONDING TO THE PRESIDENT’S ATTACKS ON THE WHISTLEBLOWER

  • ATTACKS ON THE WHISTLEBLOWER DEMOCRATIC SENATOR MARK WARNER

  • DEMOCRATIC SENATOR MARK WARNER OF THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE

  • OF THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE SAID THAT KIND OF

  • COMMITTEE SAID THAT KIND OF RHETORIC CAN ONLY SERVE ONE

  • RHETORIC CAN ONLY SERVE ONE PURPOSE, INTIMIDATION OF THIS

  • PURPOSE, INTIMIDATION OF THIS WHISTLEBLOWER.

  • WHISTLEBLOWER. AND WHILE HE DIDN’T MENTION

  • AND WHILE HE DIDN’T MENTION TRUMP BY NAME REPUBLICAN SENATOR

  • TRUMP BY NAME REPUBLICAN SENATOR CHUCK GRASSLY OF INDIANA -- OR

  • CHUCK GRASSLY OF INDIANA -- OR IOWA RATHER -- SAYS THIS PERSON

  • IOWA RATHER -- SAYS THIS PERSON APPEARED TO HAVE FOLLOWED THE

  • APPEARED TO HAVE FOLLOWED THE WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION LAWS

  • WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION LAWS AND OUGHT TO BE HEARD OUT AND

  • AND OUGHT TO BE HEARD OUT AND PROTECTED.

  • PROTECTED. THAT’S FROM ONE OF THE TOP

  • THAT’S FROM ONE OF THE TOP REPUBLICAN SENATORS.

  • REPUBLICAN SENATORS. I’M JOINED NOW BY NED PRICE, A

  • I’M JOINED NOW BY NED PRICE, A FORMER NSC SENIOR DIRECTOR,

  • FORMER NSC SENIOR DIRECTOR, VALERY, A FORMER CIA OPERATIVE

  • VALERY, A FORMER CIA OPERATIVE OFFICER AND CURRENT DEMOCRATIC

  • OFFICER AND CURRENT DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR CONGRESS IN NEW

  • CANDIDATE FOR CONGRESS IN NEW MEXICO.

  • MEXICO. THANK YOU FOR COMING ON TONIGHT

  • THANK YOU FOR COMING ON TONIGHT AND I’M SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR

  • AND I’M SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR EX-HUSBAND, THE MAN WHO’S THE

  • EX-HUSBAND, THE MAN WHO’S THE FATHER OF YOUR CHILDREN.

  • FATHER OF YOUR CHILDREN. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHRIS.

  • >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHRIS. I KNOW JOE WATCHED YOU EVERY

  • I KNOW JOE WATCHED YOU EVERY NIGHT AND OF COURSE YOU WERE

  • NIGHT AND OF COURSE YOU WERE ENON THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE

  • ENON THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE STORY BACK IN 2003 WHEN MY CIA

  • STORY BACK IN 2003 WHEN MY CIA COVERT IDENTITY WAS BETRAYED.

  • COVERT IDENTITY WAS BETRAYED. I REMEMBER COMING INTO THE ROOM

  • I REMEMBER COMING INTO THE ROOM AND JOE HANGING UP THE PHONE AND

  • AND JOE HANGING UP THE PHONE AND SAYING CHRIS MATTHEWS JUST SAID

  • SAYING CHRIS MATTHEWS JUST SAID THE WHITE HOUSE CALLED YOU FAIR

  • THE WHITE HOUSE CALLED YOU FAIR GAME, SO OUR FAMILY IS

  • GAME, SO OUR FAMILY IS DEVASTATED.

  • DEVASTATED. AND WEVE LOST NOT JUST, YOU

  • AND WEVE LOST NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM A PERSONAL SIDE FROM

  • KNOW, FROM A PERSONAL SIDE FROM A TRUE AMERICAN HERO.

  • A TRUE AMERICAN HERO. >> THANKS FOR COMING ON THIS

  • >> THANKS FOR COMING ON THIS TIME AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF

  • TIME AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE NEWS NOW, AND THE NEWS IS

  • THE NEWS NOW, AND THE NEWS IS ABOUT A WHISTLEBLOWER WHO THIS

  • ABOUT A WHISTLEBLOWER WHO THIS PRESIDENT SEEMS TO TRY TO DIM

  • PRESIDENT SEEMS TO TRY TO DIM DIMUINIZE AND WHAT’S IT LIKE TO

  • DIMUINIZE AND WHAT’S IT LIKE TO BE PART OF THAT TARGETING?

  • BE PART OF THAT TARGETING? >> I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT

  • >> I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE.

  • FEELS LIKE. I COMPARE IT TO FALLING DOWN

  • I COMPARE IT TO FALLING DOWN ALICE’S RABBIT HOLE WHERE WHITE

  • ALICE’S RABBIT HOLE WHERE WHITE IS BLACK AND BLACK IS WHITE.

  • IS BLACK AND BLACK IS WHITE. THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO US.

  • THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO US. THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE TRIED TO

  • THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE TRIED TO DEMONIZE US AND MAKE IT ABOUT

  • DEMONIZE US AND MAKE IT ABOUT VALERIE PLAIN AND JOE WILSON AND

  • VALERIE PLAIN AND JOE WILSON AND WHY THERE’S NO WMD IN IRAQ.

  • WHY THERE’S NO WMD IN IRAQ. THIS IS WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH

  • THIS IS WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH TRUMP’S WHISTLEBLOWER.

  • TRUMP’S WHISTLEBLOWER. IT’S ALREADY BEEN CONFIRMED HIS

  • IT’S ALREADY BEEN CONFIRMED HIS WRONGDOING, HIS THREAT TO

  • WRONGDOING, HIS THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY.

  • NATIONAL SECURITY. SO HE’S SEEKING TO UNDERMINE THE

  • SO HE’S SEEKING TO UNDERMINE THE WHISTLEBLOWER WHICH ENSHRINED IN

  • WHISTLEBLOWER WHICH ENSHRINED IN LAW SHOULD BE PROTECTED.

  • LAW SHOULD BE PROTECTED. BECAUSE WHAT DOES A

  • BECAUSE WHAT DOES A WHISTLEBLOWER DO?

  • WHISTLEBLOWER DO? THEYRE SEEKING TO EXPOSE

  • THEYRE SEEKING TO EXPOSE WRONGDOING, WROUGHT CORRUPTION,

  • WRONGDOING, WROUGHT CORRUPTION, SO TRUMP IS A MASTER AT THIS AND

  • SO TRUMP IS A MASTER AT THIS AND HELL CONTINUE DO SO.

  • HELL CONTINUE DO SO. I THINK HE’S CAUGHT THIS TIME.

  • I THINK HE’S CAUGHT THIS TIME. >> THIS STRATEGY OF THE

  • >> THIS STRATEGY OF THE PRESIDENT, HE DOES SEEM CAUGHT

  • PRESIDENT, HE DOES SEEM CAUGHT THIS TIME.

  • THIS TIME. HE’S NOT REALLY CHALLENGING WHAT

  • HE’S NOT REALLY CHALLENGING WHAT HE SAID, HE WEAKLY DEFENDS WHAT

  • HE SAID, HE WEAKLY DEFENDS WHAT HE SAYS FOR PARTISAN POLITICAL

  • HE SAYS FOR PARTISAN POLITICAL GAIN, USING U.S. FOREIGN

  • GAIN, USING U.S. FOREIGN MILITARY ASSISTANCE AS HIS

  • MILITARY ASSISTANCE AS HIS LEVER.

  • LEVER. BUT NOW HE’S GOING AFTER WHO’S

  • BUT NOW HE’S GOING AFTER WHO’S HE’S TREATING LIKE A RAT OR

  • HE’S TREATING LIKE A RAT OR FAKE.

  • FAKE. >> IT’S ATTACKING THE FBI FOR

  • >> IT’S ATTACKING THE FBI FOR DOING ITS JOB AND

  • DOING ITS JOB AND INVESTIGATION --

  • INVESTIGATION -- >> OH, SPYING ON HIM, THAT’S A

  • >> OH, SPYING ON HIM, THAT’S A NICE WORD.

  • NICE WORD. >> AND ATTACKING THE SPECIAL

  • >> AND ATTACKING THE SPECIAL COUNSEL DESPITE THE SPECIAL

  • COUNSEL DESPITE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S LONG RECORD OF

  • COUNSEL’S LONG RECORD OF DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVICE AND NOW

  • DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVICE AND NOW ATTACKING A WHISTLEBLOWER.

  • ATTACKING A WHISTLEBLOWER. THE FACTS WILL COME OUT.

  • THE FACTS WILL COME OUT. THERE’S A LOT THERE, AND IT’S

  • THERE’S A LOT THERE, AND IT’S INTERESTING YOU SEE HOW

  • INTERESTING YOU SEE HOW REPUBLICANS NOW, SOME OF THEM

  • REPUBLICANS NOW, SOME OF THEM STARTING TO CAUTION AGAINST

  • STARTING TO CAUTION AGAINST JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.

  • JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. BEN SASSE, THE SENATOR FROM

  • BEN SASSE, THE SENATOR FROM NEBRASKA SAID LOTS NOT CIRCLE

  • NEBRASKA SAID LOTS NOT CIRCLE THE WAGONS AROUND THE PRESIDENT

  • THE WAGONS AROUND THE PRESIDENT QUITE YET, LET’S GET THE FACTS.

  • QUITE YET, LET’S GET THE FACTS. AND I THINK YOURE SEEING THE

  • AND I THINK YOURE SEEING THE RIGHT RESPONSE FROM MANY

  • RIGHT RESPONSE FROM MANY REPUBLICANS FINALLY ON THE HILL

  • REPUBLICANS FINALLY ON THE HILL WHO WANT THE FACTS BEFORE

  • WHO WANT THE FACTS BEFORE RUSHING TO JUDGMENT.

  • RUSHING TO JUDGMENT. >> BACK TO THE POINT HERE IN THE

  • >> BACK TO THE POINT HERE IN THE BEGINNING WHICH WAS IN THE DAYS

  • BEGINNING WHICH WAS IN THE DAYS OF NIXON AND WATERGATE IT WAS,

  • OF NIXON AND WATERGATE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, JOHN DEAN SAID I

  • YOU KNOW, JOHN DEAN SAID I REMEMBER BECAUSE HE HAD A

  • REMEMBER BECAUSE HE HAD A PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY AND HE SAID

  • PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY AND HE SAID I REMEMBER ALL THESE THINGS

  • I REMEMBER ALL THESE THINGS NIXON SAID.

  • NIXON SAID. BUT WHEN WE GOT THE TAPES OF THE

  • BUT WHEN WE GOT THE TAPES OF THE JUNE 23rd PHONE CALL, THEY USED

  • JUNE 23rd PHONE CALL, THEY USED THE CIA TO COVER FOR THE FBI TO

  • THE CIA TO COVER FOR THE FBI TO GET THE FBI OFF THE CASE, IT WAS

  • GET THE FBI OFF THE CASE, IT WAS ESTABLISHED THAT DEAN WAS RIGHT.

  • ESTABLISHED THAT DEAN WAS RIGHT. THEN YOU MOVE ONTO THE TAPE.

  • THEN YOU MOVE ONTO THE TAPE. NOW WE HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE

  • NOW WE HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE RELEASED MEMO OF THE

  • RELEASED MEMO OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE UKRAINIAN

  • CONVERSATION WITH THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT.

  • PRESIDENT. WE DON’T NEED THE WHISTLEBLOWER

  • WE DON’T NEED THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND NOW TRUMP IS CHASING AFTER

  • AND NOW TRUMP IS CHASING AFTER THIS WHISTLE MAN OR WOMAN.

  • THIS WHISTLE MAN OR WOMAN. IT’S SICK.

  • IT’S SICK. IT’S ALSO WEIRD BECAUSE THAT’S

  • IT’S ALSO WEIRD BECAUSE THAT’S NOT THE ISSUE ANYMORE, MR.

  • NOT THE ISSUE ANYMORE, MR. PRESIDENT.

  • PRESIDENT. >> WELL, JUNE 23rd BECOMES JULY

  • >> WELL, JUNE 23rd BECOMES JULY 25th.

  • 25th. IT’S THE SAME DYNAMIC.

  • IT’S THE SAME DYNAMIC. I THINK WHAT WERE SEEING TRUMP

  • I THINK WHAT WERE SEEING TRUMP RECOGNIZE IS THIS SCANDAL, THIS

  • RECOGNIZE IS THIS SCANDAL, THIS BETRAYAL IS TOO BIG FOR HIM TO

  • BETRAYAL IS TOO BIG FOR HIM TO TAKE ON, SO HE HAS TO PER

  • TAKE ON, SO HE HAS TO PER SAWNIFY IT, BOIL IT DOWN TO A

  • SAWNIFY IT, BOIL IT DOWN TO A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL, SOMEONE WHOSE

  • SINGLE INDIVIDUAL, SOMEONE WHOSE AFFILIATIONS HE CAN ATTACK,

  • AFFILIATIONS HE CAN ATTACK, SOMEONE HE CAN UNDERMINE JUST

  • SOMEONE HE CAN UNDERMINE JUST THE WAY HE DID WITH CHRISTOPHER

  • THE WAY HE DID WITH CHRISTOPHER STEELE, WITH BOB MUELLER, WITH

  • STEELE, WITH BOB MUELLER, WITH THE PROSECUTORS.

  • THE PROSECUTORS. WE ALL KNOW THIS IS NOT ABOUT A

  • WE ALL KNOW THIS IS NOT ABOUT A PERSON.

  • PERSON. THIS IS ABOUT OUR DEMOCRACY, OUR

  • THIS IS ABOUT OUR DEMOCRACY, OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.

  • NATIONAL SECURITY. IT’S ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF OUR

  • IT’S ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF OUR ELECTIONS.

  • ELECTIONS. >> YOU COULD TELL THIS FROM

  • >> YOU COULD TELL THIS FROM PERSONAL HISTORY, HE LOOKS FOR

  • PERSONAL HISTORY, HE LOOKS FOR WEAKNESS, THE FACT YOU HAD TO

  • WEAKNESS, THE FACT YOU HAD TO REMAIN IN YOUR ROLE WITH THE

  • REMAIN IN YOUR ROLE WITH THE CIA, THE FACT HE KNEW YOU WANTED

  • CIA, THE FACT HE KNEW YOU WANTED TO STAY AND DO YOUR JOB, HE

  • TO STAY AND DO YOUR JOB, HE PLAYED WITH THAT.

  • PLAYED WITH THAT. NOW TRUMP IS LIKE IF HE FINDS A

  • NOW TRUMP IS LIKE IF HE FINDS A WOMAN WHOSE LOOKS HE DOESN’T

  • WOMAN WHOSE LOOKS HE DOESN’T LIKE, HE ATTACKS HER LOOKS ON

  • LIKE, HE ATTACKS HER LOOKS ON TELEVISION.

  • TELEVISION. IF HE SEES A PERSON WITH A

  • IF HE SEES A PERSON WITH A PHYSICAL DISABILITY, HE ATTACKS

  • PHYSICAL DISABILITY, HE ATTACKS THEIR PHYSICAL DISABILITY.

  • THEIR PHYSICAL DISABILITY. IF HE SEES A PRESIDENT ON THE

  • IF HE SEES A PRESIDENT ON THE BORDER WITH RUSSIA AND RUSSIANS

  • BORDER WITH RUSSIA AND RUSSIANS HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OVER WITH

  • HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OVER WITH THEIR TANKS, NEED SOME AEPT TANK

  • THEIR TANKS, NEED SOME AEPT TANK MISSILE, HE NEEDS SOME JAVELINS

  • MISSILE, HE NEEDS SOME JAVELINS TO STOP THE TANKS, HE SAYS I

  • TO STOP THE TANKS, HE SAYS I GUESS I GOT YOU DOWN WHERE I

  • GUESS I GOT YOU DOWN WHERE I NEED YOU AND I NEED SOME DIRT ON

  • NEED YOU AND I NEED SOME DIRT ON JOE BIDEN.

  • JOE BIDEN. WORKING THE WEAKNESS OF HIS

  • WORKING THE WEAKNESS OF HIS OPPONENTS, IT’S SICK.

  • OPPONENTS, IT’S SICK. YOUR THOUGHTS.

  • YOUR THOUGHTS. >> YES, IT IS.

  • >> YES, IT IS. I WAS REALLY TAKEN WITH AN OP-ED

  • I WAS REALLY TAKEN WITH AN OP-ED PIECE WRITTEN LAST WEEK IN "THE

  • PIECE WRITTEN LAST WEEK IN "THE WASHINGTON POST" BY SEVEN FORMER

  • WASHINGTON POST" BY SEVEN FORMER INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

  • INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THEY ARE NOW MEMBERS OF

  • THEY ARE NOW MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, AND THEY SAID THE TIME

  • CONGRESS, AND THEY SAID THE TIME HAS COME.

  • HAS COME. THEY HAVE TAKEN AN OATH, AS I

  • THEY HAVE TAKEN AN OATH, AS I DID, TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE

  • DID, TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, AND EVERYONE FROM

  • CONSTITUTION, AND EVERYONE FROM SECRETARY POMPEO DOWN HAS TAKEN

  • SECRETARY POMPEO DOWN HAS TAKEN THAT OATH AS WELL, AND THEY NEED

  • THAT OATH AS WELL, AND THEY NEED TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION.

  • TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. THAT LOYALTY IS NOT TO A PERSON.

  • THAT LOYALTY IS NOT TO A PERSON. THIS IS NOT A MONARCHY AS HE

  • THIS IS NOT A MONARCHY AS HE SEEMS TO BELIEVE OR A MOB BOSS

  • SEEMS TO BELIEVE OR A MOB BOSS AS HE ACTS LIKE.

  • AS HE ACTS LIKE. SO WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP THAT

  • SO WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

  • IN MIND. WHAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER DID WAS

  • WHAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER DID WAS REALLY PATRIOTIC.

  • REALLY PATRIOTIC. HIS IDENTITY SHOULD BE FURTHER

  • HIS IDENTITY SHOULD BE FURTHER PROTECTED.

  • PROTECTED. IT PROBABLY WON’T BE, IT SEEMS.

  • IT PROBABLY WON’T BE, IT SEEMS. BUT WHAT HE DID WAS REALLY

  • BUT WHAT HE DID WAS REALLY COURAGEOUS IN COMING FORWARD.

  • COURAGEOUS IN COMING FORWARD. >> WELL, AMID THE PRESIDENT’S

  • >> WELL, AMID THE PRESIDENT’S EFFORTS TO INTIMIDATE THE

  • EFFORTS TO INTIMIDATE THE WHISTLEBLOWER SECRETARY OF STATE

  • WHISTLEBLOWER SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO TODAY REFUSED THE

  • MIKE POMPEO TODAY REFUSED THE CONGRESSIONAL REQUEST FOR SWORN

  • CONGRESSIONAL REQUEST FOR SWORN DEPOSITIONS FROM FIVE CURRENT

  • DEPOSITIONS FROM FIVE CURRENT AND FORMER STATE DEPARTMENT

  • AND FORMER STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS TRYING TO BLOCK KEY

  • OFFICIALS TRYING TO BLOCK KEY OFFICIALS IN THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S

  • OFFICIALS IN THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT FROM TESTIFYING.

  • COMPLAINT FROM TESTIFYING. IN A LETTER POMPEO ACCUSED HOUSE

  • IN A LETTER POMPEO ACCUSED HOUSE DEMOCRATS OF CATCH THIS, TRYING

  • DEMOCRATS OF CATCH THIS, TRYING TO, QUOTE, INTIMIDATE, BULLY AND

  • TO, QUOTE, INTIMIDATE, BULLY AND TREAT HIM PROPERLY CAREER

  • TREAT HIM PROPERLY CAREER DIPLOMATS AT THE CENTER OF THE

  • DIPLOMATS AT THE CENTER OF THE REQUEST.

  • REQUEST. TWO OF THOSE FIVE OFFICIALS ARE

  • TWO OF THOSE FIVE OFFICIALS ARE STILL SAID TO BE DEPOSED

  • STILL SAID TO BE DEPOSED ACCORDING TO NBC NEWS AND

  • ACCORDING TO NBC NEWS AND ANOTHER BREAKING DEVELOPMENT

  • ANOTHER BREAKING DEVELOPMENT TONIGHT NBC NEWS REPORTS THE

  • TONIGHT NBC NEWS REPORTS THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AT THE STATE

  • INSPECTOR GENERAL AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT TODAY REQUESTED AN

  • DEPARTMENT TODAY REQUESTED AN URGENT MEETING FOR TOMORROW TO

  • URGENT MEETING FOR TOMORROW TO BRIEF KEY COMMITTEES OF THE

  • BRIEF KEY COMMITTEES OF THE HILL, OF THE HOUSE ABOUT

  • HILL, OF THE HOUSE ABOUT DOCUMENTS RELATED TO UKRAINE.

  • DOCUMENTS RELATED TO UKRAINE. AND SO HERE’S WHAT’S GOING ON

  • AND SO HERE’S WHAT’S GOING ON NOW.

  • NOW. ISSUING SUBPOENAS FOR SWORN

  • ISSUING SUBPOENAS FOR SWORN DEPOSITIONS IS A NORMAL WAY

  • DEPOSITIONS IS A NORMAL WAY CONGRESS GETS INFORMATION.

  • CONGRESS GETS INFORMATION. IT’S NOT INTIMIDATING, IT’S

  • IT’S NOT INTIMIDATING, IT’S TRYING TO GET THE PEOPLE PERHAPS

  • TRYING TO GET THE PEOPLE PERHAPS WHO GAVE THE INFORMATION TO THE

  • WHO GAVE THE INFORMATION TO THE WHISTLE-BLOWER TO DO SO

  • WHISTLE-BLOWER TO DO SO PUBLICLY, BUT IT’S CERTAINLY A

  • PUBLICLY, BUT IT’S CERTAINLY A LEGITIMATE USE OF THE CHECKS AND

  • LEGITIMATE USE OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES.

  • BALANCES. >> THE MIKE POMPEO OF TODAY OF

  • >> THE MIKE POMPEO OF TODAY OF 2019 WOULD HAVE SOME VERY HARSH

  • 2019 WOULD HAVE SOME VERY HARSH WORDS OF THE MIKE POMPEO OF

  • WORDS OF THE MIKE POMPEO OF 2012.

  • 2012. HE WAS ONE OF THE CHIEF AUTHORS

  • HE WAS ONE OF THE CHIEF AUTHORS AND PROPAGATORS OF THE BENGHAZI

  • AND PROPAGATORS OF THE BENGHAZI CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND HE

  • CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND HE RAILED AGAINST THE OBAMA

  • RAILED AGAINST THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

  • ADMINISTRATION. HE ACCUSED THE OBAMA

  • HE ACCUSED THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OF STONE WALLING

  • ADMINISTRATION OF STONE WALLING WHEN IN THAT CASE THE OBAMA

  • WHEN IN THAT CASE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TURNED OVER TENS

  • ADMINISTRATION TURNED OVER TENS AND THOUSANDS OF AGENTS AND

  • AND THOUSANDS OF AGENTS AND COULD NEVER --

  • COULD NEVER -- >> I’M REALIZING WHAT’S -- I

  • >> I’M REALIZING WHAT’S -- I THOUGHT POMPEO WAS JUST AN

  • THOUGHT POMPEO WAS JUST AN AMBITIOUS GUY.

  • AMBITIOUS GUY. I THOUGHT HE WAS ANOTHER ONE OF

  • I THOUGHT HE WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THESE PEOPLE GOT TO PLAY BALL

  • THESE PEOPLE GOT TO PLAY BALL WITH TRUMP.

  • WITH TRUMP. NOW I’M FINDING OUT HE LIKE

  • NOW I’M FINDING OUT HE LIKE WILLIAM BARR ARE TRUMPIAN.

  • WILLIAM BARR ARE TRUMPIAN. THEY BELIEVE IN ALL THESE CRAZY

  • THEY BELIEVE IN ALL THESE CRAZY RIGHT WING TRUMPIAN CONSPIRACY

  • RIGHT WING TRUMPIAN CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

  • THEORIES. THEY CAN PULL HIM DOWN THE

  • THEY CAN PULL HIM DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE WITH THIS NONSENSE.

  • RABBIT HOLE WITH THIS NONSENSE. HE BELIEVES THEM.

  • HE BELIEVES THEM. THE SERVERS OVER IN KIEV

  • THE SERVERS OVER IN KIEV SOMEWHERE, THE DNC -- HOW DID

  • SOMEWHERE, THE DNC -- HOW DID THEY GET OVER THERE?

  • THEY GET OVER THERE? AS LONG AS THEY CAN CREATE A

  • AS LONG AS THEY CAN CREATE A CRAZY DISTRACTION.

  • CRAZY DISTRACTION. >> THE PROBLEM I THINK FOR THE

  • >> THE PROBLEM I THINK FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND

  • DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND DEPARTMENT OF STATE IS AT LEAST

  • DEPARTMENT OF STATE IS AT LEAST HALF OF WASHINGTON DOES BELIEVE

  • HALF OF WASHINGTON DOES BELIEVE THAT ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

  • THAT ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SECRETARY.

  • AND SECRETARY. >> THEYRE A PART OF THIS

  • >> THEYRE A PART OF THIS PROCESS.

  • PROCESS. >> WHETHER THEY ARE OR NOT CAN

  • >> WHETHER THEY ARE OR NOT CAN BE DEBATED BUT IT’S UNUSUAL FOR

  • BE DEBATED BUT IT’S UNUSUAL FOR WASHINGTON TO THINK BOTH CABINET

  • WASHINGTON TO THINK BOTH CABINET SAERKS ARE IN THE TANK FOR THE

  • SAERKS ARE IN THE TANK FOR THE PRESIDENT, FOR POLITICAL

  • PRESIDENT, FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

  • REASONS. >> THAT THE BETTER THAN THINKING

  • >> THAT THE BETTER THAN THINKING THERE’S AN INVASION OF THE BODY

  • THERE’S AN INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS HERE, THAT PEOPLE ARE

  • SNATCHERS HERE, THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY TAKEN OVER MENTALLY BY

  • REALLY TAKEN OVER MENTALLY BY THIS GUY’S THINKING?

  • THIS GUY’S THINKING? THAT’S SCARY.

  • THAT’S SCARY. >> IT’S HARD TO EXPLAIN, BUT,

  • >> IT’S HARD TO EXPLAIN, BUT, AGAIN, IF THE PERCEPTION IS THAT

  • AGAIN, IF THE PERCEPTION IS THAT DOJ IS NOT PLAYING IT STRAIGHT

  • DOJ IS NOT PLAYING IT STRAIGHT OR THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS

  • OR THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS NOT PLAYING IT STRAIGHT AND IS

  • NOT PLAYING IT STRAIGHT AND IS INSTEAD, YOU KNOW, PLAYING

  • INSTEAD, YOU KNOW, PLAYING POLITICS, IT’S NOT GOOD FOR THE

  • POLITICS, IT’S NOT GOOD FOR THE RULE OF LAW AND FOR OUR SYSTEM

  • RULE OF LAW AND FOR OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT.

  • OF GOVERNMENT. >> VALERIE, PEOPLE LIKE YOU, I

  • >> VALERIE, PEOPLE LIKE YOU, I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVE

  • KNOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVE JOINED ADMINISTRATIONS OVER THE

  • JOINED ADMINISTRATIONS OVER THE YEARS, NOT CIVIL SERVANTS, NOT

  • YEARS, NOT CIVIL SERVANTS, NOT DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS.

  • DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS. THEY JUST LOVE THIS COUNTRY ARE

  • THEY JUST LOVE THIS COUNTRY ARE WILLING TO SERVE IN DANGEROUS

  • WILLING TO SERVE IN DANGEROUS ROLES, ESPECIALLY DEEP

  • ROLES, ESPECIALLY DEEP BACKGROUND OVERSEAS.

  • BACKGROUND OVERSEAS. WE USED TO GIVE THEM AWARDS TO

  • WE USED TO GIVE THEM AWARDS TO THEM.

  • THEM. BECAUSE WE COULDN’T DO IT

  • BECAUSE WE COULDN’T DO IT PUBLICLY, WE HAD TO GIVE THEM

  • PUBLICLY, WE HAD TO GIVE THEM SECRET AWARDS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT

  • SECRET AWARDS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN KALED IN ACTION AND

  • HAVE BEEN KALED IN ACTION AND YOU CAN’T EVEN TALK ABOUT THESE

  • YOU CAN’T EVEN TALK ABOUT THESE PEOPLE, TRUE SPIES, THE GOOD

  • PEOPLE, TRUE SPIES, THE GOOD SPIES.

  • SPIES. AND WHAT DO THEY THINK OF THIS

  • AND WHAT DO THEY THINK OF THIS CROWD THAT RUNS THE COUNTRY

  • CROWD THAT RUNS THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, THE POMPEOS AND BARRS

  • RIGHT NOW, THE POMPEOS AND BARRS OF THIS PRESIDENT?

  • OF THIS PRESIDENT? >> YOU SERVE OVERSEAS NOT AN A

  • >> YOU SERVE OVERSEAS NOT AN A REPUBLICAN, NOT A DEMOCRAT, YOU

  • REPUBLICAN, NOT A DEMOCRAT, YOU SERVE AS AN AMERICAN.

  • SERVE AS AN AMERICAN. AND THEY ARE ALL SICK AND TIRED

  • AND THEY ARE ALL SICK AND TIRED OF THE PRESIDENT DENIGRATING

  • OF THE PRESIDENT DENIGRATING EVERYONE WITHIN THE INTELLIGENCE

  • EVERYONE WITHIN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.

  • COMMUNITY. HE’S CALLED THEM NAMES.

  • HE’S CALLED THEM NAMES. HE’S UNDERMINED THEM, AND AS A

  • HE’S UNDERMINED THEM, AND AS A RESULT IT’S BEEN QUITE HARMFUL

  • RESULT IT’S BEEN QUITE HARMFUL TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.

  • TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. I JOINED THE CIA BECAUSE I

  • I JOINED THE CIA BECAUSE I WANTED TO SERVE MY COUNTRY.

  • WANTED TO SERVE MY COUNTRY. THAT’S WHY I’M RUNNING.

  • THAT’S WHY I’M RUNNING. AGAIN, I THINK OUR INSTITUTIONS

  • AGAIN, I THINK OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE UNDER ATTACKCH I WANT TO GET

  • ARE UNDER ATTACKCH I WANT TO GET BACK INTO A PUBLIC SERVICE ROLE

  • BACK INTO A PUBLIC SERVICE ROLE AND BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I CAN FOR

  • AND BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I CAN FOR MY COMMUNITY AND FOR MY COUNTRY.

  • MY COMMUNITY AND FOR MY COUNTRY. >> AFTER BEING SERVED WITH A

  • >> AFTER BEING SERVED WITH A SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS YESTERDAY

  • SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS YESTERDAY TRUMP LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI SAID

  • TRUMP LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI SAID HE’S WEIGHING WHETHER OR NOT TO

  • HE’S WEIGHING WHETHER OR NOT TO COMPLY.

  • COMPLY. >> WELL, I DON’T KNOW, I’M

  • >> WELL, I DON’T KNOW, I’M WEIGHING THE ALTERNATIVES, I’LL

  • WEIGHING THE ALTERNATIVES, I’LL KIND OF LIKE GO THROUGH IT.

  • KIND OF LIKE GO THROUGH IT. I’LL GET ALL MY EVIDENCE

  • I’LL GET ALL MY EVIDENCE TOGETHER, MY CHARTS.

  • TOGETHER, MY CHARTS. I DON’T KNOW IF THEYLL LET ME

  • I DON’T KNOW IF THEYLL LET ME USE VIDEO RECORDINGS OR TAPE

  • USE VIDEO RECORDINGS OR TAPE RECORDINGS I HAVE.

  • RECORDINGS I HAVE. IT WAS CLEARLY UNDER MY

  • IT WAS CLEARLY UNDER MY RESPONSIBILITY AS THE LAWYER FOR

  • RESPONSIBILITY AS THE LAWYER FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

  • THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

  • STATES. >> WELL, GIULIANI, ALSO TOLD NBC

  • >> WELL, GIULIANI, ALSO TOLD NBC NEWS, QUOTE, I THINK IT’S

  • NEWS, QUOTE, I THINK IT’S EXTRAORDINARY PEOPLE ARE ASKING

  • EXTRAORDINARY PEOPLE ARE ASKING ME WILL I COMPLY.

  • ME WILL I COMPLY. NO ONE SEEMS CONCERNED THIS IS A

  • NO ONE SEEMS CONCERNED THIS IS A SUBPOENA ON AN ATTORNEY.

  • SUBPOENA ON AN ATTORNEY. NOW, HE’S DANCING IN THE END

  • NOW, HE’S DANCING IN THE END ZONE THERE.

  • ZONE THERE. IT’S LIKE HE’S LOVING THIS WEIRD

  • IT’S LIKE HE’S LOVING THIS WEIRD ROLE HE’S IN RIGHT NOW.

  • ROLE HE’S IN RIGHT NOW. >> I THINK GIULIANI PROBABLY

  • >> I THINK GIULIANI PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED HIS

  • SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED HIS OPTIONS BEFORE HE WENT ON FOX

  • OPTIONS BEFORE HE WENT ON FOX NEWS MULTIPLE TIMES AND HELD UP

  • NEWS MULTIPLE TIMES AND HELD UP HIS CELLPHONE AND SAID ALL THE

  • HIS CELLPHONE AND SAID ALL THE TEXTS ARE RIGHT THERE.

  • TEXTS ARE RIGHT THERE. >> I HAVE HERE 265 NAMES OF

  • >> I HAVE HERE 265 NAMES OF COMMUNISTS -- HE DIDN’T.

  • COMMUNISTS -- HE DIDN’T. >> HE’S MADE IT VERY HARD FOR

  • >> HE’S MADE IT VERY HARD FOR HIMSELF I THINK TO AVOID A

  • HIMSELF I THINK TO AVOID A SUBPOENA.

  • SUBPOENA. IF RUDY GIULIANI DEFIES

  • IF RUDY GIULIANI DEFIES CONGRESS, DEFIES THE LAW IN THIS

  • CONGRESS, DEFIES THE LAW IN THIS CASE, THE BEST PROSECUTION, THE

  • CASE, THE BEST PROSECUTION, THE BEST WITNESS AGAINST RUDY

  • BEST WITNESS AGAINST RUDY GIULIANI WILL BE RUDY GIULIANI

  • GIULIANI WILL BE RUDY GIULIANI ON FOX NEWS READING THOSE TEXTS,

  • ON FOX NEWS READING THOSE TEXTS, MAKING THE CASE THAT HE HAS

  • MAKING THE CASE THAT HE HAS PERTINENT RECORDS, THAT HE KNOWS

  • PERTINENT RECORDS, THAT HE KNOWS AND HE HAS RECORDS THAT CONGRESS

  • AND HE HAS RECORDS THAT CONGRESS SHOULD CERTAINLY HAVE ACCESS TO.

  • SHOULD CERTAINLY HAVE ACCESS TO. >> LET’S HOPE WE HAVE A GOOD

  • >> LET’S HOPE WE HAVE A GOOD TRIAL IN THIS PRESIDENCY AND

  • TRIAL IN THIS PRESIDENCY AND THESE PEOPLE ARE CALLED TO

  • THESE PEOPLE ARE CALLED TO WITNESS AND THEY HAVE TO ANSWER

  • WITNESS AND THEY HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS UNDER OATH.

  • QUESTIONS UNDER OATH. THAT SEEMS TO CHANGE THINGS WHEN

  • THAT SEEMS TO CHANGE THINGS WHEN YOU HAVE TO SPEAK UNDER OATH.

  • YOU HAVE TO SPEAK UNDER OATH. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR CAMPAIGN.

  • GOOD LUCK IN YOUR CAMPAIGN. WE WANT YOU TO DO WELL OUT

  • WE WANT YOU TO DO WELL OUT THERE.

  • THERE. IT’S GREAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE

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