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♪ NEIL: YOU KNOW ONE OF THE MANY
NEIL: YOU KNOW ONE OF THE MANY BENEFITS OF MY JOB IS I GET TO
BENEFITS OF MY JOB IS I GET TO INTERVIEW A LOT OF VERY
INTERVIEW A LOT OF VERY IMPRESSIVE PEOPLE AND IN THE
IMPRESSIVE PEOPLE AND IN THE FINANCIAL WORLD, A LOT OF
FINANCIAL WORLD, A LOT OF IMPRESSIVE CEOs.
IMPRESSIVE CEOs. NOTHING MORE SO THAN JACK WELCH
NOTHING MORE SO THAN JACK WELCH WHO PASSED AWAY AT THE AGE OF
WHO PASSED AWAY AT THE AGE OF 84.
84. NOT ONLY REMEMBERING HIS LIFE
NOT ONLY REMEMBERING HIS LIFE AND CAREER, FORMALLY WITH THE
AND CAREER, FORMALLY WITH THE PASSING OF THE BATON TO NAME HIS
PASSING OF THE BATON TO NAME HIS SUCCESSOR.
SUCCESSOR. A QUICK LOOK BACK.
A QUICK LOOK BACK. >> WE RAISED THIS ISSUE AND THE
>> WE RAISED THIS ISSUE AND THE YOU AND I CHATTED IN THE PAST.
YOU AND I CHATTED IN THE PAST. THE GUY WHO COMES AFTER YOU HAS
THE GUY WHO COMES AFTER YOU HAS A TOUGH ROAD.
A TOUGH ROAD. I DID MENTION BEFORE THE
I DID MENTION BEFORE THE COCA-COLA EXAMPLE, THE
COCA-COLA EXAMPLE, THE JOHNSON & JOHNSON EXAMPLE, WHEN
JOHNSON & JOHNSON EXAMPLE, WHEN A BIG NAME LEAVES --
A BIG NAME LEAVES -- >> NOT JOHNSON & JOHNSON.
>> NOT JOHNSON & JOHNSON. THEY HAVE DONE FINE.
THEY HAVE DONE FINE. NEIL: DO YOU WORE IT SETS UP
NEIL: DO YOU WORE IT SETS UP HIGH EXPECTATIONS FOR THIS GUY?
HIGH EXPECTATIONS FOR THIS GUY? >> I THINK THE BEST WAY TO LOOK
>> I THINK THE BEST WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS, I SAT IN THIS, A
AT THIS IS, I SAT IN THIS, A ROOM LIKE THIS 20 YEARS AGO, 20
ROOM LIKE THIS 20 YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO THIS MONTH AND,
YEARS AGO THIS MONTH AND, REPLACE AD LEGEND.
REPLACE AD LEGEND. THE HEADLINE IN THE PAPER WAS,
THE HEADLINE IN THE PAPER WAS, LEGEND REPLACED BY LIVEWIRE.
LEGEND REPLACED BY LIVEWIRE. AND 20 YEARS LATER, PEOPLE ARE
AND 20 YEARS LATER, PEOPLE ARE SAYING THINGS.
SAYING THINGS. WHAT GE’S STRENGTH IS, IT IS A
WHAT GE’S STRENGTH IS, IT IS A GREAT ABILITY TO CHANGE.
GREAT ABILITY TO CHANGE. ALL THESE ASSUMPTIONS AT THIS
ALL THESE ASSUMPTIONS AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, WE CAN’T PREDICT
MOMENT IN TIME, WE CAN’T PREDICT EXACTLY WHAT THE FUTURE IS.
EXACTLY WHAT THE FUTURE IS. NEIL: WHERE DO YOU GO FROM HERE?
NEIL: WHERE DO YOU GO FROM HERE? >> LOTS OF OPEN STUDENTS.
>> LOTS OF OPEN STUDENTS. NEIL: A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT
NEIL: A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT PICTURE YOU SITTING AROUND ON A
PICTURE YOU SITTING AROUND ON A GOLF COURSE.
GOLF COURSE. >> THAT IS NOT A BAD ASSUMPTION.
>> THAT IS NOT A BAD ASSUMPTION. NEIL: THE SHAREHOLDERS OF
NEIL: THE SHAREHOLDERS OF AMERICA LOVE YOU, YOU DELIVERED
AMERICA LOVE YOU, YOU DELIVERED FOR THE SHAREHOLDERS, GREAT,
FOR THE SHAREHOLDERS, GREAT, GREAT, THEY SAY PAY PACKAGE,
GREAT, THEY SAY PAY PACKAGE, OBSCENE, OVERDONE, TIME COME TO
OBSCENE, OVERDONE, TIME COME TO REIN THESE IN.
REIN THESE IN. WHAT SAY YOU?
WHAT SAY YOU? >> FREE MARKET SYSTEM HAS FLAWS,
>> FREE MARKET SYSTEM HAS FLAWS, EXCESSES, SWINGS BUT GIVE ME A
EXCESSES, SWINGS BUT GIVE ME A BETTER SYSTEM.
BETTER SYSTEM. LET’S NOT LEVEL THINGS BECAUSE
LET’S NOT LEVEL THINGS BECAUSE YOU GET SO MANY UNINTENDED
YOU GET SO MANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
CONSEQUENCES. I’M PARTICIPATE LIKE SOME OTHERS
I’M PARTICIPATE LIKE SOME OTHERS OF AN AMERICAN DREAM.
OF AN AMERICAN DREAM. STARTED WITH NOTHING.
STARTED WITH NOTHING. WORKED HARD.
WORKED HARD. DID IT ALL.
DID IT ALL. YOU TOO.
YOU TOO. WE ACHIEVE WHAT WE WANT TO
WE ACHIEVE WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE.
ACHIEVE. NEIL: DO YOU THINK THERE SHOULD
NEIL: DO YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LIMIT ON WHAT SOMEONE
BE A LIMIT ON WHAT SOMEONE MAKES?
MAKES? >> NO, I DON’T.
>> NO, I DON’T. NEIL: FOR THE COMPANIES IN THOSE
NEIL: FOR THE COMPANIES IN THOSE REGIONS OF THE WORLD WHERE THERE
REGIONS OF THE WORLD WHERE THERE IS ANTI-AMERICAN ATTITUDE, DOES
IS ANTI-AMERICAN ATTITUDE, DOES IT CHANGE ANYTHING?
IT CHANGE ANYTHING? >> LOOK IT, NEIL, I THINK THAT
>> LOOK IT, NEIL, I THINK THAT OVERALL MOST PEOPLE UNDERSTAND
OVERALL MOST PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT CORPORATIONS ARE THE HEART
THAT CORPORATIONS ARE THE HEART AND SOUL OF AN ECONOMY.
AND SOUL OF AN ECONOMY. AND CORPORATIONS WERE MADE UP OF
AND CORPORATIONS WERE MADE UP OF AN ECONOMY’S CITIZENS.
AN ECONOMY’S CITIZENS. NEIL: YOU, MR. FREE MARKET
NEIL: YOU, MR. FREE MARKET CAPITALIST, PROBABLY ONE OF THE
CAPITALIST, PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST CEOs OF THE LAST CENTURY
BEST CEOs OF THE LAST CENTURY ARE SIGNING ON TO WHAT IS
ARE SIGNING ON TO WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A FISCAL HAIL MARY
ESSENTIALLY A FISCAL HAIL MARY PASS.
PASS. >> NO.
>> NO. I THINK IT IS ANOTHER STEP IN
I THINK IT IS ANOTHER STEP IN TRYING TO RESOLVE THE CRISIS
TRYING TO RESOLVE THE CRISIS THAT WE HAVE.
THAT WE HAVE. THERE IS NO QUESTION WE WERE IN
THERE IS NO QUESTION WE WERE IN A CRISIS.
A CRISIS. WE HAVE SPREADS HERE THAT WE
WE HAVE SPREADS HERE THAT WE HAVEN’T SEEN.
HAVEN’T SEEN. DEBT IS, HIGH YIELD DEBT HAS
DEBT IS, HIGH YIELD DEBT HAS GONE TO ALL NEW LEVELS.
GONE TO ALL NEW LEVELS. I’LL TELL YOU, WE NEEDED THIS
I’LL TELL YOU, WE NEEDED THIS HELP TO GET A CHANCE TO GET THIS
HELP TO GET A CHANCE TO GET THIS ECONOMY BACK ON TRACK WITHOUT A
ECONOMY BACK ON TRACK WITHOUT A SERIOUS DECLINE.
SERIOUS DECLINE. NEIL: YOU WERE A YOUNG MAN WHEN
NEIL: YOU WERE A YOUNG MAN WHEN YOU WERE TAKING OVER GE.
YOU WERE TAKING OVER GE. YOU HAD A COUPLE RIVALS FOR THE
YOU HAD A COUPLE RIVALS FOR THE JOB.
JOB. HOW DID THAT GO?
HOW DID THAT GO? >> WELL YOU KNOW, NEIL, IT WAS
>> WELL YOU KNOW, NEIL, IT WAS SHOCKING BECAUSE ONE OF THE
SHOCKING BECAUSE ONE OF THE RIVALS CAME IN TO ME AND HANDED
RIVALS CAME IN TO ME AND HANDED ME HIS RESIGNATION.
ME HIS RESIGNATION. VERY CAPABLE GUY.
VERY CAPABLE GUY. I SAID, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS
I SAID, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ALL ABOUT?
ALL ABOUT? AND HE SAID, WELL I SUPPORTED
AND HE SAID, WELL I SUPPORTED THE OTHER CANDIDATE.
THE OTHER CANDIDATE. I SAID, LOOK, TEAR THAT UP AND
I SAID, LOOK, TEAR THAT UP AND STAY HERE.
STAY HERE. NEIL: DID HE STAY?
NEIL: DID HE STAY? >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. STAYED AND BECAME VICE CHAIRMAN
STAYED AND BECAME VICE CHAIRMAN AROUND STAYED 20 YEARS.
AROUND STAYED 20 YEARS. NEIL: I ALWAYS THOUGHT YOUR KEY
NEIL: I ALWAYS THOUGHT YOUR KEY TO SUCCESS WAS STRAIGHT FROM THE
TO SUCCESS WAS STRAIGHT FROM THE GUT, GREAT BOOK, IT HAS TO BE
GUT, GREAT BOOK, IT HAS TO BE FROM THE GUT.
FROM THE GUT. YOU HAVE TO GET TO PEOPLE FROM A
YOU HAVE TO GET TO PEOPLE FROM A CERTAIN LEVEL THAT GOES BEYOND
CERTAIN LEVEL THAT GOES BEYOND JUST WONKINESS AND THAT IS WHAT
JUST WONKINESS AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED.
WE NEED. >> YOUR JOB AS A LEADER TO GET
>> YOUR JOB AS A LEADER TO GET IN THE SKIN OF EVERYONE.
IN THE SKIN OF EVERYONE. SHOW THEM WHERE YOU’RE GOING,
SHOW THEM WHERE YOU’RE GOING, HOW YOU’RE GOING TO GET THERE
HOW YOU’RE GOING TO GET THERE AND WHAT’S IN IT FOR THEM WHEN
AND WHAT’S IN IT FOR THEM WHEN YOU GET THERE.
YOU GET THERE. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> YOU GET THOSE THREE THINGS
>> YOU GET THOSE THREE THINGS GOING, MAN, YOU HAVE GOT IT.
GOING, MAN, YOU HAVE GOT IT. NEIL: THAT IS WHAT I DO WITH THE
NEIL: THAT IS WHAT I DO WITH THE PROBLEMMER EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY,
PROBLEMMER EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY, JACK.
JACK. I KNOW YOU HEARD A LOT OF
I KNOW YOU HEARD A LOT OF WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT
WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT JACK WELCH, ALL WELL-DESERVED, I
JACK WELCH, ALL WELL-DESERVED, I CAN REMEMBER YEARS, WE HAVE A
CAN REMEMBER YEARS, WE HAVE A LOT MORE ON FOX NEWS AT
LOT MORE ON FOX NEWS AT 4:00 P.M., WHAT WAS HIS BIGGEST
4:00 P.M., WHAT WAS HIS BIGGEST MISTAKE.
MISTAKE. WITHOUT BLINKING, HIRING YOU
WITHOUT BLINKING, HIRING YOU MAKING YOU AN ANCHOR AT CNBC IS
MAKING YOU AN ANCHOR AT CNBC IS A START.
A START. HE ENERGIZED YOU.
HE ENERGIZED YOU. HIS ENERGY WAS CONTAGIOUS.
HIS ENERGY WAS CONTAGIOUS. A GUY TOOK A 12 BILLION-DOLLAR
A GUY TOOK A 12 BILLION-DOLLAR CONCERN, MADE IT BETTER THAN
CONCERN, MADE IT BETTER THAN 400 BILLION-DOLLAR CONCERN.
400 BILLION-DOLLAR CONCERN. THE STOCK ROCKETED 4,000% UNDER
THE STOCK ROCKETED 4,000% UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP.