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  • Hello, this is 6 Minute English from BBC Learning English.

    大家好,這是 BBC 六分鐘學英語。

  • I'm Sam.

    我是 Sam。

  • And I'm Rob.

    我是 Rob。

  • In this programme, we'll be talking about disagreeing.

    在本集節目中,我們會談論意見分歧。

  • No, we won't!

    不,我們不會。

  • I think we will, Rob.

    我們會的,Rob。

  • We're discussing the following: Is it good to disagree?

    我們會探討以下的主題:持反對意見是件好事嗎?

  • I know, but I feel better for having that little disagreement so that proves it is good to disagree!

    我知道,但我覺得應該與你的意見分歧,證明持反對意見不是一件壞事。

  • Well, I hate to disagree, but I think we should explore this subject a little further first in the next six minutes.

    我不喜歡意見分歧,但我認為在接下來的六分鐘,我們應該要更進一步探討這個主題。

  • Err, shouldn't that be five minutes?

    呃,應該是五分鐘吧?

  • Rob, you are being pedanticfocusing too much on the small details or formal rules.

    Rob,你太學究了,也就是過度注重小細節或正式的規則。

  • Maybe we should agree to disagree and move onto the quiz question I like to set every week.

    或許你應該對於持反對意見表達同意,並前往每週都有的問題小測驗。

  • Yes, a good idea.

    那是個好主意。

  • OK, so, do you know which spiritual leader is famous for saying "Disagreement is something normal"?

    你知道「持異議是正常的」這句話出自於哪一位精神領袖嗎?

  • Is it a) Pope Francis, b) The Dalai Lama, or c) Ravi Shankar?

    是 a) Pope Francis b) The Dalai Lama c) Ravi Shankar 中哪一位呢?

  • That's tricky, so I'll have a guess and say b) the Dalai Lama.

    這題太難了,所以我要用猜的,我猜是 b) The Dalai Lama。

  • OK, I'll let you know if that was correct at the end of the program.

    我會在節目的最後,讓你知道你的答案是否正確。

  • But whoever said "disagreement is something normal" is probably right.

    但無論「持異議意見分歧是正常的」這句話是誰說的,我都覺得說得太對了。

  • I'm sure we all disagree with someone about something, don't we, Rob?

    我確定大家都有過在某件事上與某人意見分歧,Rob,我說的對吧?

  • No! Haha, just joking!

    不對,我是開玩笑的。

  • Of course disagreeing is normal.

    意見分歧當然是正常的。

  • It would be boring if we agreed about everything.

    如果我們對於每一件事看法都相同,該有多無聊。

  • However, I guess agreement, on some things, may have prevented a few wars.

    但是我覺得在某些事上意見一致可以避免爭執。

  • Indeed, but it is a fascinating subject and it's something the BBC Radio 4 programme “A Guide to Disagreeing Betterlooked at.

    的確,這個主題很有趣,BBC 在電台節目 'A Guide to Disagreeing Better' 中也有所探討這個主題。

  • I think we should hear about how NOT to disagree first.

    我們應該先從「不要」以何種方式否決開始。

  • This is couples' therapist, author, and speaker, Esther Perel, who knows a thing or two about that.

    Esther Perel 是位感情治療師、作家和講者,她對於意見分歧略知一二。

  • In a battle, you position yourself in a hierarchy, one is on top of the other.

    在一場爭執中,你將自己放置在分層制度中的最上層。

  • And then there is arguing that comes with a contempt in which it's not just that I don't accept your point of view, is that, I actually really think you're a lesser human being.

    這場爭執會導致輕視,也就是不再只是不接受對方的觀點,而是認為對方是更低階的人。

  • Right, so Esther explains that bad disagreement is a battleone person tries to take a higher position in the hierarchy.

    沒錯,Esther 闡述了在一場爭執中糟糕的否決方式 -- 其中一人試著使自己高人一等。

  • A hierarchy is a way of organising people according to their importance.

    hierarchy 是指一種根據重要性將人分類的方式。

  • So, a disagreement doesn't go well if one person thinks they're more important than someone else.

    當有人認為自己比他人來得重要時,就會使意見分歧的過程更加不愉快。

  • And according to Esther, things also don't go well if someone has contempt, which is a dislike or lack of respect for someone or something.

    如 Esther 所說,當輕視的情況發生,也就是不喜歡或不尊重某人某事時,否決過程也會不順利。

  • And contempt in a bad disagreement can be more than just not liking somebody's point of viewtheir perspective on something.

    在意見分歧中產生輕視,不僅是不喜歡他人的觀點。

  • It could be thinking someone is a lesser human being.

    很可能會造成貶低他人的情況發生。

  • Ouch! That's not nice.

    這樣不太好。

  • Let's think more now about good disagreement.

    我們現在來了解如何以好的方式來表達異議吧!

  • The BBC podcast "Seriously" has listed some tips for disagreeing better, including not aiming for the middle ground, another way of saying "compromising."

    在 BBC 廣播節目 'Seriously' 中有提及持異議的好方式,包含不要只為了達到中間立場,也就是妥協。

  • It also suggests speaking truthfully, listening intentlythat means giving all your attention to what's being said and aiming for empathy.

    說話要誠實且要專注地聆聽,全神貫注聽別人說了什麼,目的是為了產生共鳴。

  • But not feeling at the end of a disagreement that you have to agree!

    但千萬不要認為你最後一定要同意他人的看法。

  • I agree and I'm sure former British politician, Douglas Alexander, would too.

    我同意你的說法,且我相信前英國政客 Douglas Alexander 會做一樣的事。

  • He presented the programme "A Guide to Disagreeing Better" and explained why he thought disagreeing is a good thing.

    他在節目 'A Guide to Disagreeing Better' 中現身並解釋他認為持異議是一件好事的原因。

  • A couple of decades I spent as an elected politician convinced me that disagreement is necessary if society is to progress.

    身為當選幾十年的政客,我相信如果社會要進步,持異議是必須的。

  • And a society that values civility over justice and truth would simply be a recipe for stagnation.

    一個重視客套勝過於正義和事實的社會將會停滯不前。

  • But honest conversations involve listening intently as well as speaking truthfully.

    真誠的對談要專注地聆聽和誠實地訴說。

  • The thoughts of Douglas Alexander there, who, through his work as a politician, is convinced that disagreement is a good thing.

    身為一位政客, Douglas Alexander 相信持異議是件好事。

  • He says we shouldn't just follow the values of civility - that means polite behaviour.

    他認為我們不應該只遵循禮貌,也就是客套的行為。

  • It's important to challenge and question thoughts and ideas not just be polite and accept them!

    討戰並質疑想法和意見是一件很重要的事,不要只是客氣地一概接受。

  • Yes, and if we don't challenge things and search for truth and justice, he feels it would lead to stagnation - staying the same and not developing.

    沒錯,如果我們不質疑並尋求事實與正義,有可能會導致停滯,也就是維持現狀不再進步。

  • The verb form is 'to stagnate'.

    Stagnation 的動詞形為 'to stagnate'。

  • But, he does say that when we discuss things and disagree we must be honest, listen to the other person intently, and speak truthfully.

    Douglas Alexander 說當我們討論事情並產生異議時必須要真誠,專注聆聽他人所說並誠實地表達。

  • But I would add that this should be done politely and with respect.

    我要補充說明,持異議必須要有禮貌且尊重他人。

  • Well, Sam, I've been listening to you intently, and if I'm honest, I think it's about time you gave me the answer to today's question.

    那麼 Sam,我一直很專注在聽你說話,老實說,我認為你應該要給我今天問題的答案了。

  • We can agree on that, Rob!

    我們想法一致!

  • So, earlier I asked you if you knew which spiritual leader is famous for saying "Disagreement is something normal".

    節目一開始我問你是否知道「與他人意見分歧是正常的」這句話出自於哪一位精神領袖。

  • Is it a) Pope Francis, b) The Dalai Lama, or c) Ravi Shankar.

    是 a) Pope Francis b) The Dalai Lama c) Ravi Shankar 中哪一位呢?

  • And, Rob, what did you say?

    你的答案是哪一個呢?

  • I said it's b) The Dalai Lama.

    我說是 b) The Dalai Lama。

  • And you were right, well done!

    你答對了,真棒!

  • Now, if you'll agree, could we recap some of the vocabulary we've discussed in this program?

    如果你沒有異議,我們可以重述今天在節目中討論的單字嗎?

  • Of course.

    當然。

  • First of all, I was accused of being pedanticfocusing too much on the small details or formal rules.

    一開始我被指控太過於 pedantic(學究的),也就是過度注重小細節或正式的規則。

  • Then we mentioned hierarchy - this is a way of organising people according to their importance.

    接著是 hierarchy,一種根據重要性將人分類的方式。

  • Contempt is a dislike or lack of respect for something or someone.

    Contempt 是指不喜歡或不尊重某人或某事。

  • A point of view describes someone's perspective on something.

    A point of view 意指某人對某事的觀點。

  • Your point of view might be different from my point of view.

    你的觀點可能跟我的不同。

  • Indeed.

    沒錯。

  • And we also mentioned civility, which means polite behaviour.

    我們也提及 civility,意思為有禮貌的行為。

  • And stagnation means staying the same and not developing.

    然後 stagnation 意思為維持現狀不再進步。

  • Would you agree, Sam?

    Sam,你同意嗎?

  • You are right, Rob, and that brings us to the end of our discussion about disagreeing!

    你說的沒錯,今天有關意見分歧的討論到此為止!

  • Don't forget you can find lots more learning English materials on our website at bbclearningenglish.com, on social media and on our app.

    記得可以在網站、社交媒體或 app 上尋找更多與 BBC 相關的英語學習資源。

  • Please join us again next time.

    下一次要再收看喔!

  • Bye bye.

    再見。

  • Goodbye!

    再見!

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