WITNESSES.

>> Martha: JOINING ME NOW IS

NONRETURNABLE,

HARVEY WEINSTEIN'S ATTORNEY.

THE FIRST QUESTION A LOT OF

WOMEN HAVE FOR YOU IS HOW YOU

CAN DEFEND HARVEY WEINSTEIN?

>> MY ANSWER IS HOW CAN YOU NOT

WHEN YOU DO THE WORK THAT I DO,

YOU STAND UP AND DEFEND PEOPLE

WHO WERE CHARGED OF CRIMES

REGARDLESS OF RACE, GENDER, ANY

BIAS, RACE, RELIGION, DOESN'T

MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO ME WHETHER

I'M A WOMAN AND HE'S A MAN OR

VICE VERSA.

>> Martha: YOU HAVE SAID

SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF YOU

THINK IT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR HIM

WHEN YOU ARE CROSS-EXAMINING

THAT YOU ARE A WOMAN.

WHY?

>> I THINK REALLY FOR ME WHAT

MAKES IT BETTER, TO BE A WOMAN

IN THE SITUATION.

OF COURSE, MY MALE,

COUNTERPARTS ARE JUST AS

COMPETENT.

THE EFFECT IS REALLY ON THE

LISTENER.

THE JUROR ON THIS CASE, THE

TRIER OF FACT LOOKS AT MY

INTERACTION WITH A FEMALE, I

THINK THEY WILL VIEW THAT

CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT

DIFFERENTLY AND I THINK I MIGHT

BE ABLE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS

THAT DON'T SEEM AS TOUGH IF THEY

COME FROM A WOMAN INSTEAD IF

THEY CAME FROM A MAN.

>> Martha: SAID SOMETHING

COMING TO THE EFFECT OF AN

CORRECT ME IF I'M PRAISING

SOMETHING CORRECTLY, IF YOU GO

TO A HOTEL ROOM TO TALK TO A MAN

WHO IS YOUR BOSS OR SOMEONE

YOU'RE WORKING WITH, YOU ARE

ESSENTIALLY MAKING YOURSELF

VULNERABLE TO THIS KIND OF

SITUATION.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

>> FIRST OF ALL, IN MY

CIRCUMSTANCES AND IN THIS CASE

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOTEL

MEETINGS THAT WENT

WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INT

WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INE

WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INA

WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INT

WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INR

WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INO

WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INN

PEERED HAPPENING AFTER PARTIES,

AFTER BEING IN BARS, HAVING

DRINKS.

THIS IS NOT SETTING UP A MEETING

AT 3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON AND

GOING TO THEM.

MY COMMENTS ARE REALLY ABOUT

WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS CASE.

>> Martha: DO YOU THINK THESE

WOMEN PUT THEMSELVES IN THE

SITUATION AND FOR THAT REASON,

THEY ARE TO BLAME?

>> YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS

IN A GENERAL SENSE BECAUSE THE

JUDGE IS NOT ALLOWED TO TALK

ABOUT SPECIFIC WITNESSES IN THIS

CASE, BUT WHEN I DO THINK THAT A

WOMAN MAKES A CHOICE TO PUT

HERSELF IN A CIRCUMSTANCE, IT

DOESN'T MEAN THAT SHE DESERVES

WHAT HAPPENS IF SHE DOES

SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CONSENSUAL,

WE BELIEVE IN THESE

CIRCUMSTANCES THEY ARE AND

SENSUAL.

IF YOU ENTER INTO A CONSENSUAL

CIRCUMSTANCE AND LATER CHANGE

YOUR MIND, THAT'S WHERE THEY

ARE.

>> Martha: HAS HARVEY

WEINSTEIN CONVINCED YOU THAT HE

IS INNOCENT OF THESE TWO CASES

YOU ARE DOING FOR HIM?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT HARVEY HAS

TO CONVINCE ME OF, IT'S ABOUT

WHAT THE EVIDENCE HAS CONVINCED

ME OF.

>> Martha: IF YOU WERE NOT

CONVINCED -- YOU SAY THAT

EVERYONE DESERVES A DEFENSE.

IF YOU WERE NOT CONVINCED HE WAS

INNOCENT, WOULD YOU STILL

REPRESENT HIM?

>> I ABSOLUTELY WOULD RESENT HIM

BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HAS

A RIGHT TO A DEFENSE.

IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, I BELIEVE

THAT HARVEY WEINSTEIN IS NOT A

RAPIST AND HE DID NOT RAPE THE

TWO WOMEN ACCUSING HIM.

>> Martha: DO

>> Martha: AO

>> Martha: ARE YOU SAYING THAT

THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN OR ARE

COMPLICIT IN THESE ATTACKS?

THAT'S THE DYNAMIC AND THEY KNEW

THEY WERE WALKING INTO?

>> NO.

IN MY CASE, IN THESE CASES,

THESE WOMEN HAVE HAD

RELATIONSHIP WITH HARVEY THAT

DID NOT START THE NIGHT THEY

WALKED INTO A HOTEL ROOM SO

THERE'S A LOT MORE IN THIS STORY

THAT I THINK MEETS THE EYE, AND

I THINK THE JURORS WILL BE

SURPRISED WHEN THEY HEAR THE

EVIDENCE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN ALL

THE MEDIA COVERAGE.

>> Martha: YOU TALK ABOUT

HOTEL ROOMS AND YOU CAN SPEAK

GENERALLY, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING

RIGHT NOW.

WHAT ABOUT OFFICE SITUATIONS

QUICKLINK IN SOME OF THE CASES

WE'VE ALL READ ABOUT THAT PEOPLE

WALK INTO AN OFFICE AND SOMEBODY

IS TRYING TO KISS THEM OR

SOMEBODY IS DOING A LOT MORE

THAN THAT IN SOME OF THESE CASE?

AS A WOMAN ALSO PUTTING HERSELF

IN A VULNERABLE SITUATION

ALLOWING THE DOOR TO CLOSE?

>> ARE DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES

AND I THINK WHEN YOU WORK WITH

SOMEONE YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT

SITUATION THAN IF YOU HAVE A

RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE.

THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WORKING

WITH THEM AND I THINK IT'S ALSO

DIFFERENT WHEN YOU WANT TO WORK

FOR SOMEONE OR YOU WANT

SOMETHING THEY CAN OFFER YOU.

THIS IS NOT A SITUATION AT LEAST

IN THE CASE THAT I'M HANDLING

WHERE WE WERE WORKING IN AN

OFFICE WITH MR. WEINSTEIN.

THESE ARE WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD A

RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. WEINSTEIN.

>> Martha: YOU SAY IT'S

TRANSACTIONAL ON THEIR PART?

>> CORRECT.

>> Martha: AND A LOT OF PEOPLE

SAY BELIEVE ALL WOMEN.

DO YOU BELIEVE ANY WOMEN?

>> I BELIEVE WOMEN WHEN I

BELIEVE THE FACTS AND EVIDENCE

SUPPORT THEIR CASES BUT I THINK

IT'S DANGEROUS TO BELIEVE ALL

WOMEN WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE

BACK STORY, THE REST OF THE

EVIDENCE BIT I THINK WHAT THIS

CASE IS GOING TO SHOW US IS THAT

WOMEN MADE CLAIMS TO THE MEDIA

IN THIS CASE, BUT THEY TOLD ONLY

PART OF THE STORY.

THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONFRONT

THEM WITH THE STORY THEY TOLD

AND THE OTHER FACTS THAT THEY

DECIDED TO LEAVE OUT WHICH I

THINK WILL BE VERY TELLING.

>> Martha: I THINK IT'S GOING