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  • HAVE BEEN LISTED AS POSSIBLE

  • WITNESSES.

  • >> Martha: JOINING ME NOW IS

  • NONRETURNABLE,

  • HARVEY WEINSTEIN'S ATTORNEY.

  • THE FIRST QUESTION A LOT OF

  • WOMEN HAVE FOR YOU IS HOW YOU

  • CAN DEFEND HARVEY WEINSTEIN?

  • >> MY ANSWER IS HOW CAN YOU NOT

  • WHEN YOU DO THE WORK THAT I DO,

  • YOU STAND UP AND DEFEND PEOPLE

  • WHO WERE CHARGED OF CRIMES

  • REGARDLESS OF RACE, GENDER, ANY

  • BIAS, RACE, RELIGION, DOESN'T

  • MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO ME WHETHER

  • I'M A WOMAN AND HE'S A MAN OR

  • VICE VERSA.

  • >> Martha: YOU HAVE SAID

  • SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF YOU

  • THINK IT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR HIM

  • WHEN YOU ARE CROSS-EXAMINING

  • THAT YOU ARE A WOMAN.

  • WHY?

  • >> I THINK REALLY FOR ME WHAT

  • MAKES IT BETTER, TO BE A WOMAN

  • IN THE SITUATION.

  • OF COURSE, MY MALE,

  • COUNTERPARTS ARE JUST AS

  • COMPETENT.

  • THE EFFECT IS REALLY ON THE

  • LISTENER.

  • THE JUROR ON THIS CASE, THE

  • TRIER OF FACT LOOKS AT MY

  • INTERACTION WITH A FEMALE, I

  • THINK THEY WILL VIEW THAT

  • CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT

  • DIFFERENTLY AND I THINK I MIGHT

  • BE ABLE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS

  • THAT DON'T SEEM AS TOUGH IF THEY

  • COME FROM A WOMAN INSTEAD IF

  • THEY CAME FROM A MAN.

  • >> Martha: SAID SOMETHING

  • COMING TO THE EFFECT OF AN

  • CORRECT ME IF I'M PRAISING

  • SOMETHING CORRECTLY, IF YOU GO

  • TO A HOTEL ROOM TO TALK TO A MAN

  • WHO IS YOUR BOSS OR SOMEONE

  • YOU'RE WORKING WITH, YOU ARE

  • ESSENTIALLY MAKING YOURSELF

  • VULNERABLE TO THIS KIND OF

  • SITUATION.

  • WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

  • >> FIRST OF ALL, IN MY

  • CIRCUMSTANCES AND IN THIS CASE

  • WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOTEL

  • MEETINGS THAT WENT

  • WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INT

  • WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INE

  • WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INA

  • WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INT

  • WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INR

  • WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INO

  • WENT HAPPENING AT10:00, 2:00 INN

  • PEERED HAPPENING AFTER PARTIES,

  • AFTER BEING IN BARS, HAVING

  • DRINKS.

  • THIS IS NOT SETTING UP A MEETING

  • AT 3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON AND

  • GOING TO THEM.

  • MY COMMENTS ARE REALLY ABOUT

  • WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS CASE.

  • >> Martha: DO YOU THINK THESE

  • WOMEN PUT THEMSELVES IN THE

  • SITUATION AND FOR THAT REASON,

  • THEY ARE TO BLAME?

  • >> YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS

  • IN A GENERAL SENSE BECAUSE THE

  • JUDGE IS NOT ALLOWED TO TALK

  • ABOUT SPECIFIC WITNESSES IN THIS

  • CASE, BUT WHEN I DO THINK THAT A

  • WOMAN MAKES A CHOICE TO PUT

  • HERSELF IN A CIRCUMSTANCE, IT

  • DOESN'T MEAN THAT SHE DESERVES

  • WHAT HAPPENS IF SHE DOES

  • SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CONSENSUAL,

  • WE BELIEVE IN THESE

  • CIRCUMSTANCES THEY ARE AND

  • SENSUAL.

  • IF YOU ENTER INTO A CONSENSUAL

  • CIRCUMSTANCE AND LATER CHANGE

  • YOUR MIND, THAT'S WHERE THEY

  • ARE.

  • >> Martha: HAS HARVEY

  • WEINSTEIN CONVINCED YOU THAT HE

  • IS INNOCENT OF THESE TWO CASES

  • YOU ARE DOING FOR HIM?

  • >> ABSOLUTELY.

  • IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT HARVEY HAS

  • TO CONVINCE ME OF, IT'S ABOUT

  • WHAT THE EVIDENCE HAS CONVINCED

  • ME OF.

  • >> Martha: IF YOU WERE NOT

  • CONVINCED -- YOU SAY THAT

  • EVERYONE DESERVES A DEFENSE.

  • IF YOU WERE NOT CONVINCED HE WAS

  • INNOCENT, WOULD YOU STILL

  • REPRESENT HIM?

  • >> I ABSOLUTELY WOULD RESENT HIM

  • BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HAS

  • A RIGHT TO A DEFENSE.

  • IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, I BELIEVE

  • THAT HARVEY WEINSTEIN IS NOT A

  • RAPIST AND HE DID NOT RAPE THE

  • TWO WOMEN ACCUSING HIM.

  • >> Martha: DO

  • >> Martha: AO

  • >> Martha: ARE YOU SAYING THAT

  • THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN OR ARE

  • COMPLICIT IN THESE ATTACKS?

  • THAT'S THE DYNAMIC AND THEY KNEW

  • THEY WERE WALKING INTO?

  • >> NO.

  • IN MY CASE, IN THESE CASES,

  • THESE WOMEN HAVE HAD

  • RELATIONSHIP WITH HARVEY THAT

  • DID NOT START THE NIGHT THEY

  • WALKED INTO A HOTEL ROOM SO

  • THERE'S A LOT MORE IN THIS STORY

  • THAT I THINK MEETS THE EYE, AND

  • I THINK THE JURORS WILL BE

  • SURPRISED WHEN THEY HEAR THE

  • EVIDENCE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN ALL

  • THE MEDIA COVERAGE.

  • >> Martha: YOU TALK ABOUT

  • HOTEL ROOMS AND YOU CAN SPEAK

  • GENERALLY, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING

  • RIGHT NOW.

  • WHAT ABOUT OFFICE SITUATIONS

  • QUICKLINK IN SOME OF THE CASES

  • WE'VE ALL READ ABOUT THAT PEOPLE

  • WALK INTO AN OFFICE AND SOMEBODY

  • IS TRYING TO KISS THEM OR

  • SOMEBODY IS DOING A LOT MORE

  • THAN THAT IN SOME OF THESE CASE?

  • AS A WOMAN ALSO PUTTING HERSELF

  • IN A VULNERABLE SITUATION

  • ALLOWING THE DOOR TO CLOSE?

  • >> ARE DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES

  • AND I THINK WHEN YOU WORK WITH

  • SOMEONE YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT

  • SITUATION THAN IF YOU HAVE A

  • RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE.

  • THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WORKING

  • WITH THEM AND I THINK IT'S ALSO

  • DIFFERENT WHEN YOU WANT TO WORK

  • FOR SOMEONE OR YOU WANT

  • SOMETHING THEY CAN OFFER YOU.

  • THIS IS NOT A SITUATION AT LEAST

  • IN THE CASE THAT I'M HANDLING

  • WHERE WE WERE WORKING IN AN

  • OFFICE WITH MR. WEINSTEIN.

  • THESE ARE WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD A

  • RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. WEINSTEIN.

  • >> Martha: YOU SAY IT'S

  • TRANSACTIONAL ON THEIR PART?

  • >> CORRECT.

  • >> Martha: AND A LOT OF PEOPLE

  • SAY BELIEVE ALL WOMEN.

  • DO YOU BELIEVE ANY WOMEN?

  • >> I BELIEVE WOMEN WHEN I

  • BELIEVE THE FACTS AND EVIDENCE

  • SUPPORT THEIR CASES BUT I THINK

  • IT'S DANGEROUS TO BELIEVE ALL

  • WOMEN WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE

  • BACK STORY, THE REST OF THE

  • EVIDENCE BIT I THINK WHAT THIS

  • CASE IS GOING TO SHOW US IS THAT

  • WOMEN MADE CLAIMS TO THE MEDIA

  • IN THIS CASE, BUT THEY TOLD ONLY