MESSIER AND LESS WELL INFORMED? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. >> WE HAVE TO MENTION THAT THERE

>> WE HAVE TO MENTION THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE LAPEL PIN TONIGHT

WAS ONLY ONE LAPEL PIN TONIGHT THAT SAID "MATH."

THAT SAID "MATH." AND IT BELONGED TO ANDREW YANG.

AND IT BELONGED TO ANDREW YANG. STANDING BY WITH CHRIS HAYES.

STANDING BY WITH CHRIS HAYES. >> THANK YOU, BRIAN.

>> THANK YOU, BRIAN. THERE WAS A LONG EXCHANGE

THERE WAS A LONG EXCHANGE TONIGHT ON THE UNIVERSAL BASIC

TONIGHT ON THE UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME AND AUTOMATION, WHICH HAS

INCOME AND AUTOMATION, WHICH HAS BEEN SORT OF A CORE THEME OF

BEEN SORT OF A CORE THEME OF YOUR CAMPAIGN.

YOUR CAMPAIGN. YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT AUTOMATION,

YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT AUTOMATION, BUT I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE

BUT I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE KIND OF APOCALYPSE YOU PAINT IS

KIND OF APOCALYPSE YOU PAINT IS REALLY COMING.

REALLY COMING. WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF

WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF AUTOMATION REVOLUTIONS.

AUTOMATION REVOLUTIONS. HIGH SHOULD PEOPLE BE FOCUSING

HIGH SHOULD PEOPLE BE FOCUSING ON THAT WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY

ON THAT WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER ISSUES AROUND THE

OTHER ISSUES AROUND THE INSTITUTIONAL AND MINIMUM WAGE

INSTITUTIONAL AND MINIMUM WAGE AND LABOR UNIONS AND THE

AND LABOR UNIONS AND THE STRENGTH OF WORKERS THAT SEEM

STRENGTH OF WORKERS THAT SEEM LIKE THEY'RE AS IMPORTANT AS

LIKE THEY'RE AS IMPORTANT AS AUTOMATION.

AUTOMATION. >> WELL, YOU CERTAINLY SHOULDN'T

>> WELL, YOU CERTAINLY SHOULDN'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.

TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE, M.I.T.,

THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE, M.I.T., McKENZIE BEAN ALL PREDICT THAT

McKENZIE BEAN ALL PREDICT THAT BETWEEN 20 TO 30% OF AMERICAN

BETWEEN 20 TO 30% OF AMERICAN JOBS ARE GOING TO BE LOST TO

JOBS ARE GOING TO BE LOST TO AUTOMATION OVER THE NEXT 10 TO

AUTOMATION OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS.

20 YEARS. IN OHIO AND MICHIGAN AND

IN OHIO AND MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN AND IOWA.

WISCONSIN AND IOWA. AND IF THAT LIST OF STATES

AND IF THAT LIST OF STATES SOUNDS FAMILIAR, THOSE ARE THE

SOUNDS FAMILIAR, THOSE ARE THE SAME STATES DONALD TRUMP NEEDED

SAME STATES DONALD TRUMP NEEDED TO WIN AND DID WIN.

TO WIN AND DID WIN. THERE IS A STRAIGHT CONNECTION

THERE IS A STRAIGHT CONNECTION BETWEEN INDUSTRIALIZATION AND

BETWEEN INDUSTRIALIZATION AND VOTING IN THAT AREA.

VOTING IN THAT AREA. >> OBVIOUSLY DEMOCRATS I THINK

>> OBVIOUSLY DEMOCRATS I THINK FEEL UNITED IN CONDEMNING DONALD

FEEL UNITED IN CONDEMNING DONALD TRUMP, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I

TRUMP, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK YOU'VE SEEN IS A CRITIQUE

THINK YOU'VE SEEN IS A CRITIQUE THAT THE GUY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT

THAT THE GUY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING, HE IS UNPREPARED

HE IS DOING, HE IS UNPREPARED AND HE IS INSUFFICIENTLY

AND HE IS INSUFFICIENTLY PREPARED AS WITH HIS RESUME TO

PREPARED AS WITH HIS RESUME TO CONDUCT WORLD AFFAIRS.

CONDUCT WORLD AFFAIRS. WHEN SOMEONE THINKS, WELL,

WHEN SOMEONE THINKS, WELL, ANDREW YANG IS GOING TO BE THE

ANDREW YANG IS GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT SITTING ON THE PHONE

PRESIDENT SITTING ON THE PHONE WITH ERDOGAN, WHY SHOULD THEY

WITH ERDOGAN, WHY SHOULD THEY TRUST THAT YOU SHOULD BE THE

TRUST THAT YOU SHOULD BE THE PERSON DOING THAT?

PERSON DOING THAT? >> I THINK PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT

>> I THINK PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT FOREIGN POLICY AND BEING

FOREIGN POLICY AND BEING COMMANDER IN CHIEF OFTEN

COMMANDER IN CHIEF OFTEN REVOLVES AROUND YOUR JUDGMENT

REVOLVES AROUND YOUR JUDGMENT AND LEADERSHIP, AND PEOPLE GET A

AND LEADERSHIP, AND PEOPLE GET A SENSE OF WHAT YOU WOULD DO IN

SENSE OF WHAT YOU WOULD DO IN THAT CHAIR.

THAT CHAIR. >> BUT DOESN'T EXPERIENCE MATTER

>> BUT DOESN'T EXPERIENCE MATTER TOO?

TOO? >> ANOTHER ASPECT OF WHAT'S

>> ANOTHER ASPECT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FOREIGN POLICY, AND

HAPPENING IN FOREIGN POLICY, AND WE CAN SEE IT WITH RUSSIAN

WE CAN SEE IT WITH RUSSIAN HACKING OF OUR DEMOCRACY, THE

HACKING OF OUR DEMOCRACY, THE TRUE THREATS OF THE 21st CENTURY

TRUE THREATS OF THE 21st CENTURY INCLUDE CYBER SECURITY,

INCLUDE CYBER SECURITY, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, THINGS

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, THINGS THAT FRANKLY WE'RE GOING TO NEED

THAT FRANKLY WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO PLAY CATCH-UP

THE GOVERNMENT TO PLAY CATCH-UP IN TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION.