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  • >> Harris: AND THE NEWS IS

  • BREAKING.

  • WE NOW HAVE BRAND-NEW

  • TRANSCRIPTS IN THE CLOSED-DOOR

  • INTERVIEWS AND DEPOSITIONS THAT

  • DEMOCRATS AND A FEW REPUBLICANS

  • HELD WITH WITNESSES AND THE

  • DEMOCRATS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

  • SO MUCH LIKE YESTERDAY, IT IS

  • RELEASED ONLINE.

  • SO WE ARE ALL TAKING TO OUR

  • DEVICES AND TRYING TO CATCH UP

  • QUICKLY.

  • WE HAVE EXCERPTS FIRST FROM THE

  • JOINT INTERVIEW WITH KURT

  • VOLKER, SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE

  • FOR UKRAINE, NEGOTIATIONS

  • CONDUCTED ON OCTOBER 3RD.

  • HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE

  • ON INTELLIGENCE HOUSE COMMITTEE

  • ON OVERSIGHT AND REFORM, SO ON

  • AND SO FORTH.

  • WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT STATEMENT?

  • NO ONE WHEN WE STARTED USING A

  • TEMPO OF ENGAGEMENT WITH

  • UKRAINE, WE HAD FIRST THE SENSE

  • THAT RUDY GIULIANI IS NOT GOING

  • TO BE CONVINCED THAT IT MEANT

  • ANYTHING.

  • IT FEELS OUT OF CONTEXT, I WANT

  • TO GO TO YOU, JUDY, BECAUSE WE

  • ARE JUST READING IT AS IT IS

  • HAPPENING.

  • >> I DON'T EXPECT TO HEAR

  • ANYTHING THAT IS INCONSISTENT

  • WITH WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD,

  • AND THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT WE

  • HAVE HEARD SUPPORTS THE

  • TESTIMONY OR THE STATEMENT OF

  • THE WHISTLE-BLOWER, AND KURT

  • VOLKER IS A VERY IMPORTANT

  • FIGURE IN THIS.

  • AND I THINK THAT HIS NAMING OF

  • RUDY GIULIANI IS BEING

  • EFFECTIVELY THE SHADOW FOR

  • ADMINISTER, THE SHADOW SECRETARY

  • OF STATE.

  • >> Harris: THIS IS TORN FROM

  • PAGES 226-227.

  • THERE ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED LIKE

  • WE SAID.

  • NOT EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE WITH

  • THAT ASSESSMENT, BUT SOME SAY

  • THAT IT REALLY BOLSTERS THE

  • PRESIDENT.

  • >> IT DOES BOLSTER THE PRESIDENT

  • POLITICALLY TO SOME EXTENT.

  • LOOK, THEY ARE LEAKING THIS

  • STUFF OUT IN DRIPS AND DROPS.

  • >> Harris: WHEN YOU SAY

  • THEY --

  • >> THE DEMOCRATS.

  • TALKING ABOUT A RUN OF THE MILL

  • INVESTIGATION OF THE

  • STATE DEPARTMENT, WE ARE TALKING

  • ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE OF

  • ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE OO

  • ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE OF

  • THE PRESIDENT OF THE

  • UNITED STATES.

  • THE FACT THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE

  • GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH WITH

  • AN IMPEACHMENT PROCESS THAT IS

  • SIMPLY LEAKING MATERIAL OUT LIKE

  • THIS AND SPUN BY THE PRESS

  • BECAUSE THEY LEAK OUT THE WORST

  • PIECES OF THE CONVERSATIONS.

  • I THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE

  • SITTING OUT THERE, IT BOLSTERS

  • THE VIEW THAT IT IS NOT A

  • LEGITIMATE PROCESS.

  • >> Harris: PAGES 226-227,

  • INTENDED TO PURSUE ALLEGATIONS

  • BY AMBASSADOR VOLKER, WARNING

  • RUDY GIULIANI THAT HE WAS NOT

  • CREDIBLE.

  • HE SAID IN HIS DEPOSITION, SO I

  • HAD LEARNED THROUGH THE MEDIA

  • THAT HE WAS GOING TO GO TO

  • UKRAINE, AND HE WAS INTENDING TO

  • PURSUE THESE ALLEGATIONS.

  • AND HE WAS GOING TO INVESTIGATE

  • THESE THINGS.

  • I REACHED OUT TO HIM TO BRIEF

  • HIM.

  • A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS, NOT

  • CREDIBLE.

  • DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT HE IS

  • SAYING.

  • YOU TOLD RUDY GIULIANI THAT THE

  • STINKO IS NOT CREDIBLE?

  • YES, I DID.

  • JUDY.

  • >> ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE VOLKER

  • TRYING TO WALK THIS VERY FINE

  • LINE BETWEEN WHAT HE KNOWS IS

  • HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO THE

  • UNITED STATES.

  • AND WHAT HE KNOWS RUDY GIULIANI

  • WANTS FROM HIM, AND THE

  • PRESIDENT PRESUMABLY, AN

  • INVESTIGATION OF THE PRESIDENT'S

  • DEMOCRATIC RIVAL.

  • >> Harris: I WANT TO JUMP IN

  • THERE, BECAUSE I DON'T HEAR THE

  • PRESIDENT'S NAME IN THIS

  • PARADIGM VERY BASIC.

  • SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE

  • ASSUMING OR PRESUMABLY RUDY

  • GIULIANI IS WORKING ON BEHALF OF

  • THE PRESIDENT, THAT'S NOT WHAT

  • THE DEPOSITION ON THE PAGE AS

  • FAR INTO THIS.

  • YOU HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE

  • THING, AND WE WILL.

  • >> THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS WITNESS

  • SAYS.

  • THAT'S WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID.

  • >> WE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT

  • DID HAVE THE PHONE CONVERSATION

  • WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY OF

  • UKRAINE.

  • >> Harris: THE PRESIDENT

  • RELEASED THE CALL RECORD.

  • >> THAT'S RIGHT, BUT HOW CLOSELY

  • THE PRESIDENT IS TIED TO THE

  • EVENTS IS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION.

  • >> Harris: BUT SUCH DIRE

  • CIRCUMSTANCES OF IMPEACHING THE

  • PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

  • >> IT IS A WORTHY POLITICAL

  • ISSUE, IF THEY WANT TO VOTE FOR

  • OR AGAINST HIM ON THIS NEXT

>> Harris: AND THE NEWS IS

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