>> Bret: THANK YOU.

LET'S HEAR MORE ABOUT WHY THE

WHISTLEBLOWER'S NAME SHOULD BE

OUT.

THERE KENTUCKY SENATOR RAND PAUL

JOINS US TONIGHT.

I REFERENCED THAT TWEET FROM THE

WHISTLEBLOWER'S ATTORNEY.

IF CONGRESS AND OTHERS DON'T

PROTECT MY CLIENT'S, IT

JEOPARDIZED THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

YOUR RESPONSE?

>> I DON'T WISH HARM ON ANYONE.

I HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF

POLITICAL VIOLENCE TWICE.

I WAS AT THE BALLFIELD WHEN

SCALIA WAS ALMOST KILLED AND I

HAD SIX OF MY RIBS BROKEN BY A

HATER OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.

I DON'T WANT VIOLENCE.

THE REPORT IS NOT CORRECT.

THE STATUTE SAYS THE INSPECTOR

GENERAL CANNOT REVEAL THE NAME.

THE PRESIDENT SHOULD ENFORCE THE

LAW BUT THE STATUTE SAYS THE

INSPECTOR GENERAL CAN'T REVEAL

THE NAME.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT PREVENTS

ME FROM SAYING IT NOW BUT I WANT

IT TO BE MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS

AND LESS ABOUT THE PERSON.

THERE IS NO LAW THAT PREVENTS ME

FROM MENTIONING THE NAME.

>> Bret: DO YOU KNOW?

>> YES, THE 6th AMENDMENT TO THE

CONSTITUTION SAYS IF YOU ACCUSY

ME OF A CRIME I GET TO STARE YOU

DOWN IN COURT.

IF THERE IS A TRIAL, YOU ALWAYS

GET TO CONFRONT YOUR ACCUSER.

IT'S IN THE 6th AMENDMENT AND

THE BILL OF RITZ.

>> Bret: WHAT PREVENTS YOU FROM

GETTING ON THE SENATE FLOOR AND

GIVING A SPEECH AND SAYING THE

GUY'S NAME?

>> I KNOW I CAN AND I MAY.

I COULD DO IT RIGHT NOW.

NOTHING STOPS ME.

THERE IS NO LAW THAT STOPS ME

FROM DOING IT.

OTHER THAN I DON'T WANT TO MAKE

IT ABOUT THE ONE INDIVIDUAL.

I DO THINK THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL

IS A MATERIAL WITNESS TO THE

POTENTIAL BIDEN CORRUPTION.

HE WAS THERE UNDER JOE BIDEN.

HE WAS THERE WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS

TRYING TO FIRE THE PROSECUTOR

THAT WAS INVESTIGATING HUNTER

BIDEN.

THIS PERSON WAS A UKRAINE EXPERT

ON THE DESK.

HE SHOULD BE INTERVIEWED NOT AS

THE WHISTLEBLOWER BUT A MATERIAL

WITNESS TO THE BIDEN

CONSTRUCTION.

>> Bret: CRITICS SAY NOW WE ARE

WHERE WE ARE.

YOU HAVE FORMER OR CURRENT

AMBASSADOR SONLAND WITH THE

TRANSCRIPT THAT IS RELEASED WHO

CHANGED HIS TESTIMONY.

HE SAID THERE WAS QUID PRO QUO

AS FAR AS MILITARY AID BEING

WITH HELD.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE

PROCESS HOWLY GOT HERE RATHER

THAN THE SUBSTANCE WHERE WE ARE.

>> SORT OF.

BUT I AM TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER

SUBJECT.

I THINK THE WHISTLEBLOWER IS A

MATERIAL WITNESS TO THE BIDEN

CORRUPTION.

HE WAS THERE WHEN THE BIDEN

CORRUPTION SCANDAL WAS GOING ON.

THERE ARE REPORTS THAT ARE AIDS

TO JOE BIDEN WHO COUNSELLED IT

WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR

HIS SON TO MAKE MONEY.

THE WHISTLEBLOWER WAS THERE.

WHAT DID THE WHISTLEBLOWER THINK

AND SAY TO JOE BIDEN ABOUT THE

CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH

HUNTER?

HE NEEDS TO BE INTERVIEWED FOR

THAT PURPOSE ALONE.

ALSO THE PRESIDENT'S DEFENSE

BECAUSE OF THE 6th MEANT TO THE

CONSTITUTION WILL GET TO

CONFRONT HIM.

NO JUDGE WILL TURN THAT DOWN.

HE WILL GET TO CONFRONT HIS

ACCUSER.

>> Bret: BUT THE SUBSTANCE OF

WHERE WE ARE NOW?

DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT

YOU HEARD ABOUT THE PHONE CALL

AND THE FALLOUT?

>> THE ONLY THING I DISCOVERED

AFTER LOOKING AT BOTH SIDES IS

THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO

INFLUENCE THE AID TO UKRAINE.

BIDEN SAID WE WILL CUT IT OFF.

MENENDEZ SAID IF YOU DON'T KEEP

INVESTIGATING TRUMP WE WILL SCUT

YOUR AID.

MURPH SAID IF YOU INVESTIGATE

HUNTER BIDEN WE WILL GET RID OF

YOUR AID.

I WOULD SAY YOU DON'T GET ANY

BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY.

>> Bret: WHAT ABOUT THE CONCERN

ABOUT PROTECTING WHISTLEBLOWERS

OVERALL IF YOU NAME THIS PERSON

JEOPARDIZED OTHER THINGS.

IN 2014 CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY

FOUNDED BY YOUR DAD.

YOU SAID WE HAVE SO MANY

MILLIONS OF GOVERNMENT

CONTRACTORS WHEN THEY SEE

SOMETHING WRONG THEY SHOULD

REPORT IT WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS.

YOUR DAD SHOULD WE SHOULD PRAISE

OUR WHISTLEBLOWERS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Bret: SO WHY ARE YOU DOING

THIS?

>> WE WERE DEFEND SNOWDEN WHO I

THINK HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN

WHISTLEBLOWER STATUS.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE DEFENDING THE

CURRENT WHISTLEBLOWER WANTED TO

EXECUTE SHOWDEN.

I WANT SNOWDEN PROTECTED SO HE

IS NOT EXECUTED.

>> Bret: WHAT ABOUT THIS GUY?

>> I DON'T WANT HIM EXECUTED OR

FIRED.

IT'S A PROTECTION FROM BEING

FIRED AND NOT A PROTECTION TO BE

ANONYMOUS PARTICULARLY FOR A

CRIMINAL CASE.

ONCE YOU HAVE A CRIME THERE IS A

CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION YOU

HAVE TO CONFRONT YOUR ACCUSER.

THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO.

THAT NO COURT IN THE LAND WILL

LET THERE BE A TRIAL OF

PRESIDENT TRUMP WITHOUT HIM

CONFRONTING HIS ACCUSERS.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE FIRED AND THIS

PERSON SHOULD NOT ARE PUT IN

JAIL.

BUT HE SHOULD COME FORWARD LIKE

SNOWDEN AND REVEAL HIMSELF.

>> Bret: YOU AGREE WITH LINDSEY

GRAHAM ON SOMETHING?

>> YES, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERY

DAY OF THE WEEK.

>> Bret: WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS

GOES?

IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HEADING TO AN

IMPEACHMENT VOTE IN THE HOUSE.

THEN HEAD YOUR WAY TO THE

SENATE?

>> I THINK IT WILL BE PARTISAN.

IN THE HOUSE NO REPUBLICANS

VOTED FOR THIS.

I THINK NO REPUBLICANS WILL VOTE

FOR IMPEACHMENT.

IN THE SENATE I AM NOT AWARE OF

ANY SENATOR THAT WILL VOTE FOR

IMPEACHMENT.

I THINK IN THE END THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE WILL SAY WE SHOULD BE

FAIR.

BOTHEDS HAVE TRIED TO INFLUENCE

THE AID IN UKRAINE.

WHY SHOULD WE GIVE JOE BIDEN AND