WE'LL SEE HOW THE CONVERSATION

GOES.

THANK YOU.

INHUMANE AND RACIST OR

COMPASSIONATE AND LEGAL.

LET'S BRING INTIMATES EXPERTS.

CLARA LONG AND THE

VICE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL

COUNCIL ART DEL CUETO.

SO LET'S START.

WE HAVE A "WASHINGTON POST"

HEADLINE.

TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MOVES TO

TERMINATE AGREEMENT.

THEY SAY MORE THAN 432,000

MEMBERS OF FAMILY UNITS HAVE

BEEN TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.

A 460% INCREASE.

MOST OF BEEN RELEASED INTO THE

UNITED STATES.

CLARA, MANY SAY THIS IS

ESSENTIALLY A SCAM THAT PEOPLE

ARE BEING TRAFFIC.

PEOPLE KNOW THERE'S A LIMIT ON

HOW LONG THEY CAN BE HELD IN

MOST ANTICIPATE THEY'RE GOING TO

BE RELEASED.

>> HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS A

SERIOUS HUMAN RIGHTS CONCERN AND

IF THE GOVERNMENT IS SERIOUS

ABOUT ADDRESSING IT, THERE ARE

FAR BETTER OPTIONS THAN PLACING

FAMILIES IN INDEFINITE

DETENTION.

WITH THIS RULE DOES OR WOULD DO

IS ERASE THE CORE PRINCIPLE OF

THIS DECADES-OLD SETTLEMENT

AGREEMENT WHICH IS THAT CHILDREN

SHOULD BE RELEASED FROM

DETENTION EXPEDITIOUSLY.

THAT'S BECAUSE DETENTION HAS

BEEN PROVEN BY US AT HUMAN

RIGHTS WATCH.

BUT BY MANY OTHER

SOCIAL SCIENTISTS AND

ORGANIZATIONS TO CAUSE SEVERE

TRAUMA TO CHILDREN AND THAT

TRAUMA IS LONG-LASTING.

AND POTENTIALLY PERMANENT.

THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES.

IT'S NOT JUST DETAINER RELEASE.

THERE ARE PROVEN ALTERNATIVES

THEY CAN KEEP THESE FAMILIES

GOING TO COURT PROCEEDINGS,

SHOOTING UP TO COMPLY WITH

DEPORTATION ORDERS.

IT'S NOT A BINARY ONE OR THE

OTHER.

>> Shannon: LET'S BRING ART IN

HERE.

LET ME SAY THE WAY

SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI REFERRED TO

IT, SHE SAID THE ADMINISTRATION

IS SEEKING TO CODIFY CHILD

ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

>> THIS IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN

TO.

WE ARE SEEING GROUPS COMING

ACROSS WITH MINORS AND A LOT OF

MINORS ARE WITHIN THE AGES OF

14, 15 YEARS OLD.

WE ASKED THEM WHO ARE THEIR

PARENTS AND THEY ARE SAYING THE

INDIVIDUAL THEY ARE WITH OTHER

PARENTS BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT

FOR SURE.

THERE'S ALSO INDIVIDUALS THAT

ARE SMALLER AND YOUNGER THAT ARE

BEING BROUGHT IN BY THESE

INDIVIDUALS AND THEY ARE BEING

USED BY THE CRIMINAL ELEMENTS TO

FURTHER BREAK THE LAW AND FIND

LOOPHOLES IN OUR IMMIGRATION

SYSTEM.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS SOMETHING

LIKE THIS HELPS US SO WE CAN

BETTER DETERMINE IF THESE

INDIVIDUALS ARE ACTUALLY A

GUARDIAN OR PARENT TO THESE KID

KIDS.

THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE BEING

RELEASED HAVING CHILDREN WITHOUT

REALLY KNOWING FOR SURE IF THEY

ARE REAL GUARDIANS, IT'S BEEN

LARGE.

I WOULD GIVE YOU STORIES.

WE'VE HAD INDIVIDUALS WHO CALLED

TO THE STATIONS ASKING WHERE IS

MY CHILD?

HE HASN'T BEEN RELEASED.

WE'VE GOTTEN INTO IT AND I'VE

SAID WHERE'S YOUR CHILD?

WHO DID YOU HAND YOUR CHILD OFF

TO?

THEY SAID I HANDED IT OFF TO AN

ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THEY SAID

THEY WOULD GIVE THE EXTRA MONEY

TO COME INTO THE UNITED STATES.

THEY RENT THEIR CHILDREN.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO

STOP, AND THE WAY IT STOPS IS BY

ALLOWING US TO DETAIN THEM

LONGER PERIODS OF TIME SO WE CAN

MAKE THE PROPER DETERMINATION.

>> Shannon: LET ME PLAY

SOMETHING BY

SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM.

>> 30% OF THE PEOPLE WITH SMALL

CHILDREN ARE FAKE FAMILIES.

THE WORD IS OUT IN

CENTRAL AMERICA YOU BRING A

SMALL CHILD TO THE

UNITED STATES, YOUR HOME FREE.

>> Shannon: HE SAYS WHAT

ADMINISTRATION WOULD WANT TO

CRACK DOWN ON THAT FOR THE SAKE

OF THE KIDS AND THE WOMEN OFTEN

FIND THEMSELVES IN BAD

SITUATIONS ON THE TRAIL.

>> THERE'S NO WAY IN WHICH

VISITING FURTHER CRUELTY ON

CHILDREN, DETAINING THEM LONGER

AND UNLICENSED FACILITIES THAT

ARE NOT LICENSE FOR CHILD CARE

HELPS ADDRESS ANY PROBLEM OF

CHILD TRAFFICKING.

IF THE GOVERNMENT REALLY WANTED

TO ADDRESS CHILD TRAFFICKING,

GREAT.

ONE REALLY IMPORTANT THING IS TO

MAKE SURE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING

THESE SCREENINGS ARE NOT BORDER

PATROL OFFICERS WERE NOT TRAINED

TO ASSESS CHILD WELFARE.

AS A CHILD WERE WELFARE PRO

AS A CHILD WERE WELFARE PRE

AS A CHILD WERE WELFARE PRS

AS A CHILD WERE WELFARE PRO

AS A CHILD WERE WELFARE PRA

AS A CHILD WERE WELFARE PRL

WOULD BE.

>> Shannon: MY UNDERSTANDING

IS THERE WOULD BE DIFFERENT

LICENSING REQUIREMENTS THAT

WOULD BE EASIER FOR THE FEDS TO

PUT TOGETHER FACILITIES.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT

CONTENTION?

>> I'M OUT THERE SEEING WHAT'S

HAPPENING.

I'M SEEING THESE KIDS BEING

TURNED OVER TO CRIMINAL

ORGANIZATIONS.

I'M SEEING KIDS WALKING THROUGH

THE DESERT.

I'M SEEING KIDS PUTTING TRUNKS

OF CARS.

BUT PEOPLE AT ARTHUR PARENTS.

THEY ARE ALREADY EXPOSED TO VERY

DANGEROUS THINGS.

EXPOSED TO CRIMINAL ELEMENTS.

WE ARE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHO

THEIR PARENTS ARE AND MAKE SURE

THE BEST THING HAPPENS TO THESE

CHILDREN.

BY OPEN BORDERS AND BY SAYING

YOU ARE TREATING -- FALSE

NARRATIVE, IT'S NOT HELPING

THESE KIDS.

WE ARE HERE TO HELP THESE KIDS.

I WISH PEOPLE WOULD COME DOWN

AND SEE WHAT WE ARE REALLY DOING

PETE'S VIEW ON THE ONE THING YOU

AGREE ON IS

KIDS NEED TO BE TREATED WITH

DIGNITY AND JUSTICE AND