>>> HE'S A CHARACTER. AND HE'S A REAL PERSONALITY

>>>他很有個性，而且他的人格特質很強烈

AND HE'S A REAL PENALTY. AND HE'S VERY SMART.

他的人格特質很強烈，而且他很聰明

AND HE'S VERY SMART. HE'S SHARP AS YOU CAN BE AND

他很聰明，他就像你一樣精明

HE'S SHARP AS YOU CAN BE AND HE'S A REAL LEADER AND HE'S

他就像你一樣精明，而且，他是一個真正的領導者

HE'S A REAL LEADER AND HE'S PRETTY -- I DON'T SAY THAT

他是一個真正的領導者，而且他很棒--

PRETTY -- I DON'T SAY THAT NECESSARILY IN A BAD WAY.

我不是說那種棒--我不是說不好的方面

NECESSARILY IN A BAD WAY. BUT HE WAS TALKING TO THE PRESS

但是他向媒體表示

BUT HE WAS TALKING TO THE PRESS A LITTLE BIT AND HE'S NOT BIG

A LITTLE BIT AND HE'S NOT BIG INTO TALKING TO THE PRESS BUT

INTO TALKING TO THE PRESS BUT THE PRESS CAME IN.

THE PRESS CAME IN. LOOK, BOTTOM LINE, I THINK HE

LOOK, BOTTOM LINE, I THINK HE WANTS TO GET SOMETHING DONE BUT

WANTS TO GET SOMETHING DONE BUT THIS WASN'T THE RIGHT TIME.

THIS WASN'T THE RIGHT TIME. >> RIGHT TIME.

>> RIGHT TIME. >> STILL WITH US, EUGENE

>> STILL WITH US, EUGENE ROBINSON AND RICK WILSON.

ROBINSON AND RICK WILSON. RICK, HE IS A CHARACTER.

RICK, HE IS A CHARACTER. HE HAS KILLED RELATIVES WITH

HE HAS KILLED RELATIVES WITH ANTI-AIRCRAFT FIRE.

ANTI-AIRCRAFT FIRE. >> STARVED MILLIONS OF HIS

>> STARVED MILLIONS OF HIS PEOPLE, YES.

PEOPLE, YES. >> WHERE DOES THIS COME FROM?

>> WHERE DOES THIS COME FROM? >> LOOK, DONALD TRUMP IS

>> LOOK, DONALD TRUMP IS DICTATOR CURIOUS.

DICTATOR CURIOUS. THIS IS A GUY WHO LOVES THESE

THIS IS A GUY WHO LOVES THESE KINDS OF AUTHORITARIANS.

KINDS OF AUTHORITARIANS. THESE THUGS, THESE WAR LORD

THESE THUGS, THESE WAR LORD TYPES BECAUSE HE ENVISIONS HOW

TYPES BECAUSE HE ENVISIONS HOW HE WOULD LOVE TO LEAD.

HE WOULD LOVE TO LEAD. AND I'M NOT SAYING HE WANTS TO

AND I'M NOT SAYING HE WANTS TO KILL HIS RELATIVES WITH AN

KILL HIS RELATIVES WITH AN ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUN.

ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUN. >> THAT WAS NICK KRISTOF'S

>> THAT WAS NICK KRISTOF'S THEORY.

THEORY. >> THIS IS A GUY WHO HAS A LONG

>> THIS IS A GUY WHO HAS A LONG RELATIONSHIP WITH LOVING THE

RELATIONSHIP WITH LOVING THE STRONG MAN, LOVING THE TOUGH

STRONG MAN, LOVING THE TOUGH GUY.

GUY. I GUESS IT'S PROJECTION IN SOME

I GUESS IT'S PROJECTION IN SOME WAYS BUT IT REALLY SHOWS US

WAYS BUT IT REALLY SHOWS US AGAIN AND AGAIN.

AGAIN AND AGAIN. WHO DOES HE TRUST?

WHO DOES HE TRUST? KIM JONG-UN.

KIM JONG-UN. VLADIMIR PUTIN.

VLADIMIR PUTIN. THE TOUGH GUYS IN THE WORLD.

THE TOUGH GUYS IN THE WORLD. WHO DOES HE NOT TRUST?

WHO DOES HE NOT TRUST? THE AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE

THE AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES.

AGENCIES. HE DOESN'T TRUST THE PRESS.

HE DOESN'T TRUST THE PRESS. HE DOESN'T TRUST THE

HE DOESN'T TRUST THE INSTITUTIONS AROUND HIM.

INSTITUTIONS AROUND HIM. HE DOESN'T TRUST ANYBODY THAT

HE DOESN'T TRUST ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T SUCK UP TO HIM.

DOESN'T SUCK UP TO HIM. SO WHEN KIM JONG-UN LEARNED TO

SO WHEN KIM JONG-UN LEARNED TO PLAY DONALD TRUMP'S EGO AND

PLAY DONALD TRUMP'S EGO AND VANITY, IT GOT HIM TO THE POINT

VANITY, IT GOT HIM TO THE POINT WHERE HE GOT HIM BACK THERE A

WHERE HE GOT HIM BACK THERE A SECOND TIME SO HE COULD PRANK

SECOND TIME SO HE COULD PRANK HIM A SECOND TIME IN FRONT OF

HIM A SECOND TIME IN FRONT OF THE WORLD.

THE WORLD. >> EUGENE, YOU THINK ABOUT AND

>> EUGENE, YOU THINK ABOUT AND WRITE ABOUT BIG THOUGHTS.

WRITE ABOUT BIG THOUGHTS. IT SEEMS TO ME ONE OF THE LAST

IT SEEMS TO ME ONE OF THE LAST SERIOUS VESTIGES OF THE CITY

SERIOUS VESTIGES OF THE CITY WHERE YOU LIVE, WASHINGTON,

WHERE YOU LIVE, WASHINGTON, D.C., IS THAT FOREIGN POLICY

D.C., IS THAT FOREIGN POLICY ESTABLISHMENT FROM CIA TO STATE

ESTABLISHMENT FROM CIA TO STATE TO PENTAGON AND BEYOND, THAT

TO PENTAGON AND BEYOND, THAT STILL CARES DEEPLY ABOUT THIS.

STILL CARES DEEPLY ABOUT THIS. >> IT DOES.

>> IT DOES. >> WE HAD DONALD TRUMP PLAYING

>> WE HAD DONALD TRUMP PLAYING WITH HOUSE MONEY, CONDUCTING

WITH HOUSE MONEY, CONDUCTING DIPLOMACY FOR THIS COUNTRY

DIPLOMACY FOR THIS COUNTRY YESTERDAY.

YESTERDAY. HIS SON-IN-LAW IS TRYING TO

HIS SON-IN-LAW IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE MIDDLE EAST PEACE,

ACHIEVE MIDDLE EAST PEACE, CONDUCTING DIPLOMACY IN THE

CONDUCTING DIPLOMACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST RIGHT NOW.

MIDDLE EAST RIGHT NOW. >> YEAH.

>> YEAH. >> TONIGHT.

>> TONIGHT. >> WELL, WHAT'S LEFT OF THAT

>> WELL, WHAT'S LEFT OF THAT ESTABLISHMENT, YES, CARES DEEPLY

ESTABLISHMENT, YES, CARES DEEPLY ABOUT OUR FOREIGN POLICY, CARES

ABOUT OUR FOREIGN POLICY, CARES DEEPLY ABOUT AMERICA'S PLACE IN

DEEPLY ABOUT AMERICA'S PLACE IN THE WORLD, KNOWS HISTORY.

THE WORLD, KNOWS HISTORY. >> THEY'VE KEPT THE PEACE.

>> THEY'VE KEPT THE PEACE. >> EXACTLY.

>> EXACTLY. AND -- BUT THIS PRESIDENT IS

AND -- BUT THIS PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO DESTROY, DISRUPT,

TRYING TO DESTROY, DISRUPT, DISMANTLE THAT FOREIGN POLICY

DISMANTLE THAT FOREIGN POLICY ESTABLISHMENT.

ESTABLISHMENT. AND HE'S HAD AN IMPACT ON IT.

AND HE'S HAD AN IMPACT ON IT. THERE IS NO QUESTION.

THERE IS NO QUESTION. >> SURE.

>> SURE. >> REX TILLERSON'S TIME AT THE

>> REX TILLERSON'S TIME AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT, WHILE I THINK

STATE DEPARTMENT, WHILE I THINK TILLERSON WAS A PRETTY GOOD GUY,

TILLERSON WAS A PRETTY GOOD GUY, BUT HE WAS A DISASTER AT THE

BUT HE WAS A DISASTER AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT.

STATE DEPARTMENT. HE DIDN'T FILL A LOT OF SLOTS.

HE DIDN'T FILL A LOT OF SLOTS. IT JUST WASN'T HAPPENING.

IT JUST WASN'T HAPPENING. PRESIDENT TRUMP IN HIS WHOLE

PRESIDENT TRUMP IN HIS WHOLE NATIONAL SECURITY APPARATUS IN

NATIONAL SECURITY APPARATUS IN THE WHITE HOUSE HAS NEVER

THE WHITE HOUSE HAS NEVER FUNCTIONED THE WAY A NATIONAL

FUNCTIONED THE WAY A NATIONAL SECURITY APPARATUS -- YOU SAW IT

SECURITY APPARATUS -- YOU SAW IT IN THE SUMMIT.

IN THE SUMMIT. WHEN I SEE THE HEADLINES ON THE

WHEN I SEE THE HEADLINES ON THE CHYRON SAYING SUMMIT COLLAPSES.

CHYRON SAYING SUMMIT COLLAPSES. IN ORDER TO COLLAPSE, IT HAS TO

IN ORDER TO COLLAPSE, IT HAS TO HAVE BEEN A THING.

HAVE BEEN A THING. IT WAS NEVER A THING.

IT WAS NEVER A THING. IT WAS NEVER THE SCAFFOLDING AND

IT WAS NEVER THE SCAFFOLDING AND PREPARATION DONE TO MAKE IT AN

PREPARATION DONE TO MAKE IT AN ACTUAL SUMMIT.

ACTUAL SUMMIT. SO OF COURSE IT COLLAPSED.

SO OF COURSE IT COLLAPSED. YOU KNOW?

YOU KNOW? THERE WAS NOTHING THERE.

THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. CAN THE WORLD'S LEADING MILITARY

CAN THE WORLD'S LEADING MILITARY AND ECONOMIC POWER TRY TO