although they think they have. You can hire a man

for so much money, he's out to repair your roof

or it might leak, depending

his competence. So we don't have

chance takers so to speak

we don't take chances, we have technical

competence. That means the ability

to deal with the problems your assigned.

But its not technical elitism

its not technical elitism

Jacque: No its not technical elitism

They're assigned duties if you come into the

Venus Project, they say, "What is your training?"

say interior design, that means designing a house

with the easy access with safety devices

thats what you'd be doing, designing a house

so there's no fires no short circuits

and the kids can't stick a screwdriver in an electrical circuit

if they did nothing would happen. In other words,

you would be into what children are apt to do without training

without sufficient training. So you try to block the occurrence from

happening

you don't try to treat it after it happens. Today we make laws

after a man kills somebody, we make a law

Thou shalt not kill. We don't do it before

Shawn: Right, we are reactive instead of proactive.

Yes, exactly. Is it perfect? No,

just a lot better than the present-day system

and as time goes on it'll become shorter

better and and improve communication

in each discipline, there is no ideal

discipline as you can train a person in. say, "That's it!"

forever. It isn't, it undergoes

change as innovation comes in.

Alright, and, move on to the next question. This one is:

what are the conditions required to perform experiments in the first city

to prove or refute

whether whether the theory works or not?

The first city would take students that have studied The Venus Project

That have been trained in how to react

in relation to accomplishing a given task

and if they are trained appropriately, they do the task appropriately

if they're not, they don't even get to that position

the first city itself... is to test the validity

of The Venus Project's proposals. We also see it as a research center.

a large research center to develop

the next city, more efficiently.

test out some more construction techniques, more manufacturing techniques more

or who to call if you don't know the answer you know who to call

and I imagine the place having a massive amount of tours

and showing people in and out of the city maybe even

staying for a period of time to take classes and be orientated

When you get a subway train today its operated there's a machine operator

a conductor but they're being done away with

machines are taking the place the train operator

especially on airports today, there's nobody

that operates the transportation system, it's automated.

But before the train stops, it tells you

at Station 2d we have music

restaurants, etc. Your informed

before you get out of the train or the plane.

And I never see anybody protesting that. I never see people protesting stoplights, or stop signs.

These are all things that existed prior to them

they can make recommendations, and it goes to the recommendation center.

And they can respond with a person making the recommendations.

They ask further questions. Right And you want to eventually eliminate

stop signs and the stop lights, and just have transportation that's efficient.

There's nobody accusing

the local board of people that, of engineers that put up the plumbing throughout the city

or the electrical systems, of technological elitism.

Nobody's accusing them of that. It's simply taking care of

the necessities of life for humans

and even doing it on a much larger scale. And naturally, if a competent person is ill,

he is replaced by another competent person.

We don't have a problem then,

if there's lots of technicians lined up for each job

and most people no need to work

they can go to centers where they learn

how to write, or they learn how to communicate better

or they teach communication, or take up any course

that you feel, not so much that you feel,

that the nation feels is needed.

Not the nation, the globe. Yes. The world right?

No nations, the global

interpretation is what we use. OK

What is needed globally.

And your trained in that area.

If you come up with a new field, we train people in that new field

right away, because you can't rely on

the others, everybody is updated

on what to expect.

That would be one of the interesting values in a Resource Based Economy is to know that

when you go through this education, when you do this work

when you do this contribution, your contributing to global society.

Which is...And you know where to go, to find the answers

you don't get into conflict with people

There's no debates, there's dialogue. You know the difference?

You talk with a person, they talk back. Debate is out to win.

We're not out to win. We're out to accomplish

a given task with a minimum expenditure energy

and temperament. And that is the reinforcement

because your standard living goes up continuously as well

and that you know that you're participating in that.

That's the reinforcement. And even with all that, you might only have to contribute

a couple hours a week, if any at all. Because less than ten percent of

the world population, maybe closer to six-percent

would ever need to work to sustain such a system.

That's the estimates, I don't know how it will work out.

Even if machines do all the work man is still

going to do creative work. He's going to

look at things, make a recommendations

but there'd be people that are specialized in how to make

recommendation. Gotcha.

I have a weird question here, maybe it's not a weird question. I'll go ahead and ask it

It's been asked before. What will happen to the bodies of

the deceased in a Resource Based Economy?

I would have to leave that up to the Resourced Based Economy.

Those people that are trained

in the new social development, leave their bodies to science.

But they wouldn't be embalmed

and put in the ground because even today they have embalming

fluid that's going in the drinking water of every city

because of that, those practices.

And yeah, the purpose of embalming fluid is to allow their skin to remain

for the viewing, which is also another discussion alltogether

whether that's relevant or not

Like you said, it's polluting the underwater ground system, so it's

polluting our food, polluting our drinking water and just

so we can preserve the body for a couple of days

for funeral procession. All the laws will be changed

so they become functional. But you know all those are really old

rituals. To look at the dead, and preserve them

Cultures from a long time ago have all those

old myths about. I wouldn't say

that the majority can make the switch right away.

Those that can't make the switch, they will be taken care of

and we'll keep things as they know them

until they have watched enough TV's and radio shows

in the future, to know the difference.

Taken care in the sense of... You can't shove people into the future

you can expose them to it. Those that wish to live in the new cities, will.

Those that can't, won't.

Makes sense.

I think it will become obvious over time.

Over time, not by military means

torture or imprisonment. There will be no prisons,

no police. Since people have access

to the necessities of life, they do not steal.

Keep what works, shed what does not.

Let the things that don't work, the inneficient

things fall off to the wayside. Over time.

I try to tell people, when we talk about this to the public.

There's no need to stop or prevent

or remove anything you don't have to use these words

we will just start working on relevant things, and irrelevant things will fade away.

They don't use the old telephone anymore

There may be 150 people in an airliner

only two operate the airliner. The navigater

and the pilot. 150 people do not

participate in the operation of that airliner.

So when you say, "What will people do?"

They sit around in an airliner, they just enjoy the view

But they don't have to do anything. That's not to say that they can't participate. Of course they can.

Well very few of them would be an airline pilot, that can walk in

in an emergency. In an emergency

if the pilot has, say a heart attack

the plane takes over. Otherwise we have two pilots.

Until we have it automated that way,

we will use redundancy.

You know they say what will people do, most people don't do today what they want to do

they really restricted in terms of what they can do financially.

Many people don't even know what they want to do, they've never been

given an opportunity even think about it.

They're told or directed into certain areas of their life.

Oh my god. So what you're saying, in this culture, you don't even dare to dream cause of pain.

That's right, they say you live in quiet desperation even when you are interested in something when

you're younger you shoved

out of that to do something that makes a living.

Most people are convinced by

the new television systems of the profession

their studying. In other words, their professions

that they study will be what's needed at the time.

You don't become a plumber in the future,

when plumbing becomes automated.

So you can't pick your field. (today) The fields that are available are listed

and you can pick from that list, which are hundreds of different things to do.

but that's up to you. If you find that working on human factors

being of interest to you, you can look up

anything you want to and pick whatever is

needed, we don't train people in professions that are not needed.

Like sales people. You can get specifications

of a product. The durability

whatever you want to know is available, but you don't need a salesman.

How much mental capacity on Earth today is wasted?

In irrelevant professions

or never even come into fruition because of no education or... for many reasons

Well if you took a person from this culture

and put them in the future, they'd say,

"I don't understand this, I don't understand it at all!" And that's true.

Like I say, if you took your grandmother to Miami Beach

and she saw the girls walking around in bikinis, she might say, "They've gone to far!"

Because of her background.

But you understand it's her background, not that she's stupid.

Her background. Now most of those backgrounds will be eliminated

in the future by education out of it.

And that's what the trends show already, the trends are already showing these things.

If you can't make the adjustment, other nations

will pass you by. But they are still teaching

so many professions that are... obsolete...

pushing money around sales people insurance people advertising

bankers lawyers so many things that people learn

they just take advantage one another

they don't really contribute very much, they're parasites in this system

I just had visual when I was in the military,

we use to have to sweep dust in the parking lots all the time

just ridiculous, one of our things. All I was doing was pushing dirt from one place to another.

The Earth is covered in dirt, so what am I doing?

So I liken that to... sorry Jacque

I liken that to the money people, they are just pushing it in different areas.

Shawn, instead of a Pentagon, you have

a lot of people trained in bridging the difference between nations

the Pentagon would serve as an organization

as an intermediate organization

to bridge the different between cultures.

There's hundreds of thousands, if not millions of soldiers on the planet,

if they were retrained into being scientists, engineers, mathemeticians