- When it comes to material bits at like material things,

I went through the journey of going

from one extreme to the other

and only recently I've come back

to the kind of middle ground, if you like.

Cause there was a period where I was literally

just sort of about materialism,

you know fancy bachelor pads, fast cars, all the rest of it,

and I was doing that because I thought

this means I'm successful, right?

This means I'm happy and quickly realized

that that's all bullshit.

- So it's demonstrating to other people

more than it is to yourself.

- Correct, absolutely.

And then I went the opposite extreme.

- Right.

- And got rid of everything.

- [Interviewer] You went homeless?

- [Shazz] Well, I didn't go homeless, I was living out

of a suitcase. - That's the opposite extreme.

(laughs)

- Traveling for a while, and then I was living in London

in just like random apartments

and just living out of a suitcase

for in total about nine months.

I was still running my business and whatnot but I just--

- You told me about this.

- I just didn't wanna have any attachment to belongings

so I had no fixed address for,

not in a homeless sort of way,

but-- - Yeah, no, I get it.

- I had no fixed address for about nine months.

While I was still running my company and everything

I was just moving around to--

- So you went from this sort of ego-driven,

showing everyone else that you've got loads of stuff,

and there was obviously a point

where you decided well actually that's not fulfilling

that's not the way I wanna do,

and then you sort of went the opposite direction.

- Correct. - So what did you learn

from, cause you're not obviously still in that

opposite direction you're somewhere

in the middle now, right?

- Correct, because when I'm dependent on material things

to achieve sense of self-worth, disempowering.

When I'm the exact opposite of that,

when I need to run away from material things

because I need to prove to people

that they don't impact me - There you go.

- Equally as disempowering. - Yeah, sure.

- And so it's about middle ground

of I can be with and appreciate a fast car,

but I don't need that in order

to have any sense of fulfillment.

So I'm kind of neutral over whether I have it or not,

but if I use it then I can appreciate and enjoy it.

- So fulfillment for you, then, is what?

- It's all different areas of my life.

So it's about having a balanced life

and if we look at the wheel of life,

they're all different kind of categories within that

so relationship, family, friends, business, health,

those types of things that I want to make sure

I've got a balance in all areas,

I want to feel like I'm progressing in different areas

and experiencing all the different things

that the world has to offer.

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