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  • Well, you already saw me in the video before,

    你們在剛才播放的視頻中已經看到我了

  • in fact

    事實上

  • I was invited by the Chinese Anti-xiejiao Association, which is part of the CCP,

    中共權下的反邪教協會曾邀請我和其他學者一同探討邪教的定義

  • together with several other scholars to discuss the definition of xiejiao.

    很明顯,在邪教問題上達成共識是幾乎不可能的

  • It was very clear that it's almost impossible to come to an agreement about xiejiao

    原因有兩個

  • for two reasons.

    第一,大約三十年前西方的學者就不再使用「cult」這個詞了

  • Number one, some 30 years ago, scholars in the West stopped using the word "cult."

    當然,一些媒體、記者和政治活躍人士仍然會使用這個詞

  • The word "cult" is still used, of course,

    但是我們不用了

  • by the media, journalists, political activists,

    早在三十年前,這個詞就不再出現在學術研究領域裡了

  • but we don't use the word "cult."

    為什麼呢?

  • The word "cult" disappeared from academic studies 30 years ago.

    因為使用這個詞就意味著我們要對一些教派作出價值判斷

  • Why?

    而學者一般不作這樣的判斷

  • Because the word "cult" implies a value judgment on groups,

    第二,我們覺得把「邪教」翻譯成「cult」是不對的

  • and scholars do not give value judgments.

    現在人們一般認為「cult」這個詞起源於19世紀的歐洲

  • But there is a second reason. We believe it is wrong to translate xiejiao as "cult."

    然而「邪教」這個說法卻起源於明朝

  • Cult in the modern sense is a word originating in the early 19th century in Europe,

    所以把「cult」翻譯成「邪教」屬於犯了年代誤植的錯誤

  • xiejiao originated in the Ming era,

    中國的法律給出的邪教定義

  • so it's anachronistic to translate xiejiao as "cult."

    和歐洲過去一百年所使用的邪教定義毫不相干

  • The definition of xiejiao in Chinese law

    你們可能知道

  • has nothing to do with any definition of cult used in Europe

    中國最高法院和中國最高人民檢察院於2017年初給邪教下的定義

  • in the past hundred years.

    (其實這個詞在英文裡根本不存在)

  • You already heard about the definition

    他們把神化首要分子以及散播迷信邪說的組織定性為邪教

  • given by the Chinese Supreme Court and the Chinese Procuratorate,

    西方在過去的一百年已不談論cult了,我們也不談論cult

  • this word doesn't really exist in English by the way, in early 2017,

    沒有人會認同上述定義

  • saying xiejiao are groups deifying their leaders or spreading superstitious fallacies.

    因為散播迷信邪說可以用來指控任何一種宗教

  • Now, nobody who talked about cults in the West in the last hundred years,

    誰能決定什麼樣的教義屬於迷信

  • and we no longer talk about cults.

    什麼樣的教義屬於真正的教義呢?

  • Nobody will recognize this definition,

    邪教這個詞在中國有一段特殊的歷史

  • because spreading superstitious fallacies is an accusation

    它被用來查禁那些被政府定罪為異端教派的組織

  • which can be used against any religion.

    而且正如我剛才所說的,這個說法起源於明代

  • Who decides what doctrines are superstitious

    所以我建議不要把「邪教」翻譯成「cult」

  • and what doctrines are really religious?

    就使用漢語拼音xiejiao即可

  • So xiejiao has a specific history in China

    我此行去中國和中共當局展開的對話相當艱難

  • to ban heterodox groups accused of being against governments

    我認為邪教的定義有三種

  • and that, as I said, is from the Ming era.

    如果我們問三自教堂的牧師怎麼理解邪教

  • So I would recommend not to translate xiejiao as cults

    事實上我們確實也問了

  • and to leave it in Chinese "xiejiao."

    他們會把邪教定義為異端教派

  • When I visited China for this very difficult dialogue with Chinese authorities,

    即不相信三位一體這一傳統基督教教義

  • I understood there are three different definitions of xiejiao.

    不相信傳統基督教對耶穌基督的認識的教派

  • If we talk with Three-Self pastors,

    那麼對他們而言,什麼是邪教呢?

  • and we did,

    邪教就是異端教派

  • Three-Self pastors will define xiejiao as heretical groups,

    我們不喜歡某個教派的教義,這個教派就是邪教

  • groups that do not believe in the traditional Christian theology of Trinity,

    現在有的中共學者對邪教的定義是借用以往西方對邪教的舊定義

  • traditional Christian ideas about Jesus Christ.

    他們認為邪教就是通過洗腦來控制成員的教派

  • So for them, what is xiejiao?

    從某個角度來看,這讓人覺得可笑

  • It's a heretical group,

    因為「洗腦」這個詞

  • it's a group whose theology we do not like.

    是美國中情局為了給毛澤東和中國作反面宣傳而新造的詞

  • Now CCP scholars borrow an old definition of cults from the West

    換句話說,什麼叫洗腦呢?

  • and they define cults as groups using something called brainwashing

    愛德華·亨特曾是美國中情局的一個特務

  • to control their members.

    他寫了介紹中國使用洗腦手段的第一本書

  • This is very funny in a way

    根據他對洗腦的定義,洗腦是邪惡的中共所使用的卑劣手段

  • because the word "brainwashing"

    所以,看到中共如今用「洗腦」這個詞來定義「邪教」真的是很有趣

  • was coined by the CIA as a tool for the propaganda against Mao Zedong and China.

    英語裡原本沒有brainwash(洗腦)這個詞

  • In other words, what was brainwashing?

    它是上個世紀五十年代中情局為了給中國作反面宣傳而新造的詞

  • Brainwashing as defined by Edward Hunter,

    第三種定義主要是我們西方人提出的

  • a CIA agent who wrote the first book about brainwashing in China,

    我們的想法是:

  • brainwashing was something very bad the evil Chinese Communists do.

    你想保留「邪教」這個詞,因為你已經用了好幾個世紀了,行

  • So, to see the Chinese Communist now using the word brainwashing is

    但是唯一一種不帶歧視性地使用這個詞的辦法

  • in a way very interesting.

    就是把它用於被我稱為犯罪宗派的教派身上

  • This word did not exist in English language

    當然有的教派確實具有犯罪性質

  • and was invented in the 50s by the CIA for their propaganda against China.

    但是「具有犯罪性質」指的是它們有犯罪行徑

  • The third definition is mostly the definition we from the West proposed,

    在民主社會,不應該有人因其信仰或想法而被起訴

  • say,

    但是很顯然,不管一個人是否有宗教信仰

  • Okay, you want to keep the word xiejiao

    如果他或她有犯罪行為,都可以將其起訴

  • because you have been using it for many centuries,

    那什麼是犯罪宗派呢?

  • but the only way to use xiejiao in a non-discriminatory way

    我向中國當局堅持表明道

  • is to use it for what I call criminal religious movements.

    如果你們想保留「邪教」這個詞

  • Of course there are religious movements that are criminal,

    那麼請把邪教定義為犯罪宗派

  • but criminal means they have a criminal behavior.

    你們應避免使用像「洗腦」這類的概念

  • Nobody in a democratic society should be prosecuted for ideas or beliefs,

    因為西方學者一致認為洗腦是不存在的

  • but clearly, people, religious or not religious, doesn't matter,

    另外,也不要再去問和你們關係友好的三自教堂的牧師

  • can be prosecuted for their criminal behavior.

    什麼樣的教會是異端,什麼樣的教會屬於基督教教會

  • So what is a criminal religious movement?

    因為非宗教國家不能使用宗教標準去定義什麼是犯罪宗派

  • And I insisted with the Chinese authorities,

    除此之外,俄羅斯也使用了一個錯誤的「邪教」概念

  • "If you want to keep xiejiao,

    俄羅斯今年對耶和華見證派進行肅清

  • please use a definition of xiejiao as criminal religious movement.

    他們用「肅清」這個詞,即查禁、宣告非法

  • You should avoid ideas like brainwashing

    他們還列出了一份名單,上面寫著其他37個要肅清的組織

  • because there is a consensus among scholars in the West

    俄羅斯司法部把這些組織定為極端宗派

  • that brainwashing does not exist,

    定性它們為極端宗派的主要標準是什麼呢?

  • and you should avoid asking the friendly Christian pastors in the Three-Self

    俄羅斯最高法院認為

  • what church is heretic, what church is Christian and not heretic,

    所謂極端宗派

  • because secular state cannot use theological criteria to define criminal movement.

    就指那些認為只有自己是真宗教而其他宗教都是假宗教的宗派

  • Another wrong notion is the one used in Russia.

    但是這樣一種定義其實適用於許多宗教

  • Russia liquidated this year, they use this word "liquidating,"

    比如伊斯蘭教、天主教等等

  • banning, putting out of the law the Jehovah's witnesses

    所以,這也是一種關於邪教的錯誤概念

  • and they have a list of another 37 groups they plan to liquidate.

    如果一個教派認為自己有真理

  • These groups according to Russian Ministry of Justice are extremists.

    不管我們是否喜歡這個教派,我們都不能以此定它是犯罪宗派

  • What is the main criterion to define these groups as extremists?

    因為稱自己有真理是宗教界常有的事

  • The Russian Supreme Court says

    所以,我對邪教或者犯罪宗派的定義就是

  • an extremist group

    該宗派提倡或者一貫實施普通罪

  • is a group saying we preach the true religion and the other religions are false.

    其中包括恐怖主義、暴力、強姦、虐待兒童

  • But this definition applies to many religions,

    甚至重大經濟犯罪

  • Islam, Catholicism and many others.

    接下來我會簡單分析一下構成邪教或犯罪宗派的五要素

  • So this is again a wrong notion of xiejiao.

    第一點,邪教指的是宗教派別

  • We cannot say, if a group believes they have the truth,

    有時候中文使用的詞是「偽宗教」

  • we may like we may not like, but we cannot say it's criminal,

    我們不贊同使用這個詞

  • and it happens very frequently in religion.

    因為要定義什麼是偽宗教,你得首先相信兩點

  • So, my definition of xiejiao or criminal religious movement

    而事實上這兩點都是不成立的

  • is a group which, or a religious movement that

    其一,你得相信你知道宗教的真正定義

  • either advocates or consistently engages in common crimes

    但如果你問學者什麼是宗教,你會得到一百種不同的答案

  • including terrorism, violence, rape, child abuse

    其二,你得相信所有宗教都是好的、友善的,能給人帶來益處

  • and even major economic crimes.

    然而,這一條也是不成立的

  • Now I want to quickly examine five elements of

    很多宗教都犯過罪

  • this definition of xiejiao or criminal religious movement.

    所以一個教派既屬於宗派同時也犯罪,這是完全有可能的

  • Number one, xiejiao are religious movements.

    因此,我們將邪教定義為「犯罪宗派」

  • Sometimes the Chinese use the word "pseudo-religion."

    第二點,要具有犯罪性質

  • We do not agree,

    一個宗派必須是以集體的形式犯罪或者為罪行找正當理由

  • because to define "pseudo-religion" you should believe two things,

    聲稱這些罪行是正面的,並且鼓動人們應該這麼做

  • and these two things are false.

    舉個例子

  • Number one, you should believe you know the true definition of religion,

    有些天主教祭司有戀童癖

  • and if you ask scholars, there are a hundred different definitions of religion.

    但是這並不代表整個天主教教派是犯罪宗派

  • Number two, you should believe that all religions are nice, kind and bring flowers.

    為什麼呢?

  • This is again not true.

    因為天主教並不提倡戀童癖

  • Many religions commit crimes,

    這個教派確實犯了不少錯誤

  • so it's perfectly possible that you are a religious movement

    但是一般情況下

  • but you commit illegal activities,

    如果某個祭司被發現有戀童癖,他會被驅逐出教會

  • so we call criminal religious movement.

    有的恐怖分子是信伊斯蘭教的,或者自稱信伊斯蘭教

  • Number two, to be criminal,

    但這並不代表伊斯蘭教是個犯罪宗派

  • the religious movement should commit crimes as a group, or justify the crimes,

    因為大部分穆斯林信徒認為這些恐怖分子不代表伊斯蘭教

  • saying these crimes are good and people should do them.

    所以說,有的宗教確實有犯罪分子

  • For example,

    但是要說整個教派是犯罪宗派

  • there are Catholic priests who are pedophiles,

    必須得是這個教派提倡犯罪、認可犯罪,且為犯罪行為辯護

  • but that does not make the Catholic Church a criminal group.

    第三點,邪教所犯的罪應該是重罪

  • Why?

    比如凶殺、強姦、性虐待,甚至重大金融犯罪

  • Because the Catholic Church does not advocate pedophilia.

    比如大規模國際洗錢活動

  • The church made many mistakes,

    確實有這樣的案例

  • but normally,

    如果一個教派僅僅是有些行政違法行為,或者是涉稅違法行為

  • when a Catholic priest is identified as a pedophile, he is kicked off of the church.

    就不能說它是犯罪宗派

  • There are Islamic terrorists or terrorists who claim to be Islamic,

    很多教派在稅務方面都有點問題

  • but that doesn't make Islam a criminal religious group

    第四點,邪教所犯的罪應該是普通罪

  • because most Muslims believe these terrorists do not represent Islam.

    就是不管罪犯有沒有宗教信仰只要實施了該罪行就構成犯罪

  • So there are criminals in religion,

    凶殺,這個在任何情況下都屬於犯罪

  • but the religion is criminal

    成為一個邪教,這不屬於犯罪

  • only when it advocates, justifies, hails the criminal activities.

    洗腦罪也不屬於犯罪,因為學者們並不承認洗腦的存在

  • Number three, crimes should be serious crimes,

    身體虐待、打人,屬於犯罪

  • homicide, rape, sexual abuse, even enormous financial crimes,

    心理虐待,我們不知道這個是什麼

  • huge networks of international money laundering, for example.

    所以邪教犯的罪都應該是普通罪

  • There are cases.

    第五點,所有罪行都應該由一個真正的法庭查明

  • If a religious group is only guilty of some minor administrative or tax violation,

    這點對中國很重要

  • it's not a criminal movement.

    這樣的法庭應該走正當的法律程序

  • Most religions have some problems with taxes.

    給予被告《世界人權宣言》中要求的保障

  • Number four, crimes should be common crimes,

    既然你被指控了,你就得知道自己為什麼被指控

  • crimes which will be crimes even if they were committed by non-religious people.

    你也應該請一個律師,得是獨立律師

  • Homicide, always a crime;

    而不是法庭指定的、跟法庭關係好的律師

  • crime of being a cult, that's not a crime;

    所以,你的案件得走正常程序

  • crime of using brainwashing,

    得通過這個正常程序來查明你所犯的罪

  • that's not a crime because scholars do not believe brainwashing exists.

    好,我們再回到全能神教會的案例上

  • So physical abuse, beating people, yes;

    中國官方稱全能神教會為邪教

  • psychological abuse, we don't know what it is.

    如果我們問三自教堂或者其他家庭教會的牧師的話

  • So they should be common crimes.

    他們會說

  • Number five, these crimes should be ascertained by a real court.

    對,全能神教會是邪教,因為我們不喜歡他們的教義

  • That's very important for China.

    當然,全能神教會的教義確實是新教義

  • It should be a court where the defendants have the guarantees

    是一個新版本的基督教

  • requested by Universal Declaration of Human Rights due process.

    但正如我們剛剛所提到的

  • You are accused, you should know what you are accused of.

    這一點並不能證明一個宗派是犯罪宗派

  • You should have a lawyer, independent lawyer,

    我們可以不贊同全能神教會的教義

  • not lawyer appointed by the court and friend of the court.

    但是宗教自由包括信仰任何教義的自由

  • So you should have a regular process

    當然,人們也有批評你們的教義的自由

  • and your crimes should be ascertained through a regular process.

    但是,到底什麼教義是真教義還有待討論

  • Now let's come to the case of The Church of Almighty God.

    只是任何人不能因接受了錯誤的教義而淪為階下囚

  • The Church of Almighty God according to Chinese authorities is xiejiao.

    但現在中共和三自教堂的說法不一樣

  • Now if we ask the pastors of the Three-Self and even of some house churches,

    中共認為全能神教會是邪教

  • they will say,

    因為他們犯下了非常嚴重的罪行,凶殺罪是其中之一

  • "Yes, it's a xiejiao because their theology is a theology we do not like."

    所以問題的關鍵就是這些指控到底是否屬實,是否已被證實

  • And of course, the theology of The Church of Almighty God is a new theology,

    中共對全能神教會控訴之一就是你們想推翻政府

  • is a new version of Christianity.

    全能神教會的確不喜歡中共政府,或者至少可以說不喜歡中共

  • But as we saw,

    而且還把中共比作聖經啟示錄裡的大紅龍

  • this does not make a movement criminal.

    大紅龍是聖經裡面的一個很不好的角色

  • We can disagree with the theology of The Church of Almighty God,

    但是,只要你仔細研讀全能神教會的著作

  • but freedom of religion is freedom of following any theology.

    我覺得很清楚的一點就是

  • Of course it's also freedom to criticize your theology.

    全能神教會並不主張通過革命或者武裝起義

  • But that's a free debate what theology is true,

    來和中共以及政府對抗

  • and nobody should go to jail for following the wrong theology.

    這只是個宗教觀點

  • Now the CCP, different from the Three-Self churches, says something different.

    就是說根據聖經的預言,中共政府將自取滅亡

  • CCP says The Church of Almighty God is xiejiao,

    自取滅亡的意思就是

  • because they committed very serious crimes including homicide.

    全能神教會並不主張通過武裝革命來反對中共

  • So the question is

    而且這本身也是很難的一件事

  • whether these accusations are true or false, are proved or are not proved.

    另一項常聽到的控訴就是15年前,也就是2002年

  • One accusation the CCP raises against The Church of Almighty God

    全能神教會綁架了中華福音團契的34名牧師

  • is you want to overthrow the government.

    以此讓他們加入全能神教會

  • It is certainly true that

    該案件十分撲朔迷離,如同小說情節一樣

  • The Church of Almighty God does not like the Chinese government, to say the least,

    學者們應繼續研究此案

  • or does not like the Chinese Communist Party,

    不過就目前為止,我可以說這些指控並沒有得到證實

  • and compares the CCP to the red dragon of the Book of Revelation in the Bible,

    警方沒有調查過此案,這個是查得到記錄的

  • which is a very bad character in the Bible.

    另外,此案也並沒有經過庭審

  • However, if you read carefully the literature of The Church of Almighty God,

    在中國沒有一個人因為此案而受審並且被定罪

  • to me, it's very clear that

    所以,我們至少可以說這些指控沒有得到證實

  • The Church of Almighty God does not advocate revolution or an armed uprising

    正如你們在視頻裡看到的

  • against the CCP and the government,

    有一個事件被中共利用並且傳播到全世界

  • but it's a theological idea

    以此作為其定性全能神教會為邪教或犯罪宗派的藉口

  • that because of prophecies in the Bible, the CCP regime will fall by itself.

    該事件就是2014年發生在招遠的麥當勞凶殺案

  • "By itself," meaning

    如果你上網搜索的話,你就會看到有兩萬個網頁上

  • The Church of Almighty God does not advocate an armed revolution against,

    都是關於全能神教會組織並實施了麥當勞凶殺案的控訴

  • which will also be very difficult of course, against CCP.

    我也贊同發生在麥當勞餐廳的謀殺是駭人聽聞的罪行

  • Another accusation heard very often is that 15 years ago, in 2002,

    該罪行嚴重到,如果全能神教會真的需要為此案負責

  • The Church of Almighty God kidnapped

    單憑這一件事就足以定全能神教會是邪教或犯罪宗派

  • 34 pastors of another church, the China Gospel Fellowship,

    那麼真正需要解決的問題就是:

  • in order to convert them to The Church of Almighty God.

    麥當勞案的凶手到底是誰?

  • This is a very obscure episode, and even the object of some novels.

    此案發生在2014年5月28日

  • Scholars should still study it.

    六名傳教士走入招遠市的一家麥當勞餐廳

  • However, what I can say today is these accusations are not proved.

    並開始向食客索要電話號碼

  • There has been no police investigation, whose records are available;

    一位名叫吳碩艷的女士拒絕提供自己的電話號碼後被打死

  • there has been no trial, no trial;

    通過餐廳的監控錄像我們可以看到這位女士是被毆打致死的

  • nobody has been tried and convicted in China for this crime.

    但問題是:這些人到底是何許人士?

  • So at the very least, we can say it's not proved.

    我寫了一份關於麥當勞凶殺案的研究報告

  • As you saw in the video,

    所有的參考文件,這點很重要

  • there is one single incident which is spread by CCP all over the world

    我寫這份報告時的所有的參考文件都是由中共發表的

  • to justify The Church of Almighty God is really xiejiao, criminal religious movement,

    我沒有從全能神教會收到任何文件

  • and that's the McDonald's murder in 2014 in Zhaoyuan.

    我在中共提供的這些文件的基礎上進行研究調查

  • If you go to the Internet, there are 20,000 websites

    大部分是案犯在庭審以及在獄中接受採訪的文件

  • accusing The Church of Almighty God

    很顯然,這些人明確地說道:

  • of having perpetrated or organized the McDonald's murder.

    「我們稱自己為全能神

  • Now I agree that the McDonald's murder is a horrific crime,

    但我們和趙維山(全能神教會的祭司)的教會不是同一個教會

  • crime so bad that even alone

    我們用一樣的名字,但是我們是兩個不同的教會。」

  • it will be enough to call The Church of Almighty God a xiejiao or criminal movement,

    張帆因這起謀殺案而被處決

  • if The Church of Almighty God was responsible for it.

    你可以在這裡看到她,她是該團體的領導人之一

  • So, the real question is:

    她說

  • Who did the McDonald's murder?

    「趙維山的教會(也就是我們大家都知道的全能神教會)

  • The crime was on May 28th, 2014,

    是假的全能神

  • six missionaries entered a McDonald in the city of Zhaoyuan

    我們是真的全能神。」

  • and started preaching and asking clients for their cell phone number.

    「他們是假的,我們是真的」,這就是說這是兩個不同的團體

  • A lady called Wu Shuoyan didn't give the phone number and was beaten to death.

    除此之外,這個小團體的成員從來沒有超過三十個

  • There were surveillance cameras so we can see the poor lady beaten to death.

    當他們殺人的時候人數縮減到了六個

  • But the real problem is: Who were these people?

    他們的核心信仰就是

  • Happily, I wrote a study about McDonald's murder

    張帆以及另外一位和她住在一起的名叫呂迎春的女士

  • and the documents I used, this is very important,

    是一個靈魂兩個身體,她們是全能神

  • all the documents I used were published by CCP.

    而全能神教會所認定的全能神是另外一個人

  • I didn't receive documents from The Church of Almighty God.

    所以這兩個團體不是同一個教會

  • I worked on documents supplied by CCP,

    另外,我想再重複一下

  • mostly documents of the trial of the assassins

    我參考的所有的文件都來自中共,而非全能神教會

  • and interviews in jail with the assassins.

    但之後或許中共會捏造新的文件,這是很有可能的

  • Now, it's very clear that these people say,

    不過從現在所有的庭審、採訪

  • "We call ourselves Almighty God,

    以及中共官方對此案的分析的相關文件來看

  • but we are a different church

    很明顯殺人犯是另一個宗派,他們並不是全能神教會的成員

  • from Zhao Weishan (that's the priest of The Church of Almighty God).

    在美國和歐洲,我們對假新聞這個概念已經十分熟悉了

  • We use the same name but we are two different churches."

    「假新聞」由來已久

  • Zhang Fan was executed for the murder,

    蘇聯曾利用假新聞來打擊黑手黨長達幾十年

  • you see her here, one of the leaders of this group.

    但現在世界充斥著各種假新聞

  • She said,

    法國學者造了一個新詞「mediabolization」

  • "Zhao Weishan group (that is The Church of Almighty God we all know),

    就是通過媒體將某個團體妖魔化

  • is the fake Almighty God,

    中共成功地利用麥當勞凶殺案將全能神教會妖魔化

  • we are the real Almighty God."

    網絡上共有約兩萬個這樣的網頁指控全能神教會

  • "They are fake, we are real." That means two different groups.

    包括BBC的一個紀錄片都對中共的說辭完全買賬

  • Also, the main belief of this small group, they never add more than 30 members

    真讓人失望

  • and they were reduced to six when they perpetrated the murder,

    因為我覺得BBC的人都是認真負責的人

  • their main belief was that

    所以說中共使用的手段非常成功

  • Zhang Fan and another ladythey live togetherLyu Yingchun,

    但是我希望能有更多的學者來研究全能神教會

  • they were one soul in two bodies, they were the Almighty God.

    真相遲早會浮出水面

  • Now The Church of Almighty God has another person as the Almighty God.

    負責的媒體會了解這些真相的

  • So it cannot be the same church.

    當然,有些人可能還是不喜歡全能神教會的教義或其思想觀點

  • Again, let me repeat,

    但是正如我前面提到的

  • all these documents come from CCP, they don't come from The Church of Almighty God.

    任何人都不應該因為自己的想法而遭到逼迫、酷刑折磨甚至殺害

  • In the future the CCP may fabricate new documents, it's possible.

    如果說到罪行的話,有些罪行根本就沒有證據支持

  • But the documents so far available from the trial,

    麥當勞案件,這個嫁禍給全能神教會的最大的案件是真正的罪行

  • from the interview of the assassins,

    但是卻是另外一個團體幹的

  • from CCP's official analysis of the case

    最後,我想以紐約時報關於麥當勞案件的一篇社論結尾

  • clearly show that the assassins were part of a different movement,

    該篇社論的作者現居美國,是一名中國小說家,名叫慕容雪村

  • they were not, emphasis on not, part of The Church of Almighty God.

    我不知道我發音準不準

  • So in the US and Europe, we are becoming very familiar with the idea of fake news.

    中共官媒在麥當勞案件後做了一檔關於邪教的系列節目

  • It's an old idea,

    慕容雪村在他的文章裡引用了該節目的說法

  • the Soviets used it for Mafia for many decades,

    「邪教的典型特徵是道德淪喪以及限制自由」

  • but the world is full of fake news.

    該紐約時報作者還評價說這麼定性邪教很好

  • In France, scholars have invented a new word called "mediabolization,"

    如果中國人想看看邪教是什麼樣子

  • or demonizing groups through the media.

    那真是遠在天邊近在眼前

  • The CCP has been very successful

    因為中共就是最大的邪教

  • in using the McDonald's murder to demonize The Church of Almighty God,

    所以說,你如果把邪教定義為散播假消息和限制公民自由的團體的話

  • 20,000 websites,

    那麼真正的邪教就是中國共產黨

  • including unfortunately, because I believe they are very serious people,

    謝謝!

  • a documentary by BBC,

  • completely accepting the version of CCP.

  • So they have been successful.

  • But I hope as more and more scholars study The Church of Almighty God,

  • the truth will come out

  • and responsible media will understand the truth.

  • Of course some people may still not like

  • the theology of The Church of Almighty God or its ideas,

  • but as I said,

  • nobody should be persecuted, tortured or killed for his or her ideas.

  • And as for the crimes, for some of these crimes there are no proofs.

  • McDonald's murder,

  • the main crime attributed to The Church of Almighty God is a real crime,

  • but done by a different group.

  • I want to conclude

  • with an editorial of the New York Times after the McDonald's murder.

  • That was written by a Chinese novelist who lives in the United States, Murong Xuecun.

  • I don't know if my pronunciation is right.

  • He was quoting CCP television

  • who after the McDonald's murder run a series on xiejiao,

  • saying, "Xiejiao are groups characterized by immorality and restriction of freedom."

  • And this writer on New York Times says it's very good

  • because if Chinese wants to look for xiejiao,

  • they don't need to look very far,

  • because the biggest xiejiao is Chinese Communist Party.

  • And so, if you want to define xiejiao as a group

  • spreading false information and restricting the freedom the citizens,

  • the real xiejiao is the Chinese Communist Party.

  • Thank you.

Well, you already saw me in the video before,

你們在剛才播放的視頻中已經看到我了

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