字幕列表 影片播放 由 AI 自動生成 列印所有字幕 列印翻譯字幕 列印英文字幕 this book isn't airing out of a lot of things but but you come across as less 這本書是不是空氣了很多東西,但但你來作為少 guarded was is that is that hard for you it doesn't feel good to do it it really 警惕的是,對你來說有那麼難嗎,做起來感覺不好,真的 does Anderson I write in the book about how you know for so much of my time in 安德森,我在書中寫道,你知道我這麼多時間在 public life I felt like I was on this high wire with no net I was trying to 公眾生活我覺得我是在這個高線 沒有網,我試圖... balance so many different competing concerns and I wanted to write a book 平衡這麼多不同的競爭關注,我想寫一本書。 that would be as candid take people behind the scenes as I possibly could 這將是坦率地把人們的幕後,因為我可能會。 share some of what went on on the road the kinds of activities that you do when 分享一些在路上發生的事情 你在路上做的各種活動,當 you're running for president especially as a woman but also to tackle the hard 你要競選總統,尤其是作為一個女人,但也要解決困難的問題 questions like what what happened in the campaign what were the mistakes I made 諸如在競選中發生了什麼問題 我犯了什麼錯誤? which I you know talked about and what else happened and particularly with an 你知道我說過的,還有發生了什麼事,特別是與一個... ... eye to understanding what we need to know so it doesn't happen again one of 瞭解我們需要知道的事情,以免再次發生。 the things you write about is the inauguration and I want to just take you 你寫的東西是就職典禮,我想只是把你 back to inauguration day you're standing inside the Capitol waiting to go out on 回到就職典禮那天,你站在國會大廈內,等著出場。 the platform with the former president with former President Clinton what was 前總統與前總統克林頓的平臺是什麼? going through your mind well it was such a surreal moment because usually a 這是一個超現實的時刻,因為通常情況下... ... candidate who doesn't win the election without some other position wouldn't go 勝不了的候選人,如果沒有其他職位,就不會去 but as a former first lady you know my husband and I go to inaugurations it's 但作為一個前第一夫人 你知道我丈夫和我去就職典禮,這是 part of the way we demonstrate continuity of government and I really 是我們展示政府連續性的方式的一部分,我真的是 debated whether I could do it or not and you actually called up to Jimmy 爭論我是否能做到這一點,你居然打電話給吉米。 Carter former President Carter and George W but right our offices were in 卡特前總統卡特和喬治-W但正確的我們的辦公室是在。 communication with both the Carters and and both bushes and the elder bushes 與Carters和和灌木叢和年長的灌木叢的溝通。 couldn't come because of ill health but you know both George and Laura and Jimmy 但你知道喬治和勞拉還有吉米都不能來了 and Rosalyn we're gonna go and Bill and I just said you know we got to do this 和羅莎琳,我們要去 和比爾和我只是說,你知道,我們必須這樣做。 so we were going but I can't tell you I was looking forward to it and as we were 所以我們要去,但我不能告訴你 我很期待它,因為我們是 standing inside the door of the Capitol before you descend the steps to go out 在你下臺階出去之前,你要站在國會大廈的門內。 to the platform you know I was just thinking of what it was like when Bill 到平臺上,你知道我只是在想它是什麼樣子,當比爾 won and what it was like when I was there in 2001 I was a newly elected 2001年我在那裡的時候是什麼樣子的 我是一個新當選的人。 senator but Vice President Gore had lost and coming back when President Obama was 但副總統戈爾已經失去了,回來的時候奧巴馬總統。 inaugurated there were so many memories running through you know my mind and I 在就職典禮上,有這麼多的回憶 通過你知道我的腦海裡運行,我 did not know what to expect and I write in the book about how really strange it 我不知道會發生什麼,我在書中寫了如何真正的奇怪的它 was to sit there and to listen to the kind of speech that was so divisive the 是坐在那裡,聽著那種演講 這是如此的分裂的。 rhetoric was hot I call it a cry from the white nationalist gut instead of 言論很熱,我把它叫做白種人的腸胃的吶喊,而不是。 taking the moment to say you know what I want to reach out and be the president 趁著這個時機說你知道嗎 我想伸出手來做總統。 for everybody you know he didn't win the popular vote he squeaked through in the 大家都知道,他沒有贏得民選票 他只是在選舉中僥倖過關。 electoral college he had a chance to really begin to fill the role and that 他有機會真正開始扮演這個角色,而這也是他在選舉團中的角色。 didn't happen that day I talked about American carnage when you were saying 沒有發生那天,我談到美國的屠殺,當你在說 the steps you write in the book that you were wishing you were anywhere else but 你寫在書中的步驟 你希望你在任何地方,但。 there anywhere else Bali maybe you know anywhere else 巴厘島還有其他地方嗎? 也許你知道其他地方 gret not going to Bali no I look I am afflicted with the responsibility gene I 我不去巴厘島了,我看我是受了責任基因的影響,我 did the right thing I knew I had to go but I have to quickly add that the next 我做了正確的事情,我知道我必須去,但我必須快速補充說,下一個。 day was great you know the women's March filled with enthusiasm and nearly 5 一天是偉大的你知道婦女的三月充滿了熱情和近5個。 million people biggest ever in our history it really lifted my spirits you 我們歷史上最大規模的百萬人口 真的讓我精神一振,你 also write in the book that George W Bush reportedly said after after the 還在書中寫道,據報道,喬治-W-布什說,在後。 inauguration that was some weird shit yes and I told I said I couldn't have 就職典禮,這是一些奇怪的狗屎 是的,我告訴我說,我不能有。 agreed more you agree with that sense right I do it was so strange I mean we 同意更多的你同意這種感覺對吧 我做的是如此奇怪,我的意思是我們 reveal your sourcing on that is she sitting across from me right now well no 告訴我你的來源,她現在坐在我對面嗎? 沒有 I phrased it very delicately you know it was I went to the lunch afterwards I 我的措辭很巧妙,你知道的,那是我去吃了午餐後的事。 mean I did everything that you're supposed to do I went to the lunch you 我是說我做了你該做的一切 我去參加了你的午餐會 also said you defend a lot of time on the platform avoiding eye contact with 還說你在平臺上辯護了很多時間,避免與眼睛的接觸 people who had been cruel to you yeah well that terrible thing yes I mean I I 那些對你殘忍的人 是啊,那可怕的事情是的,我的意思是,我,我 was obviously aware that there were a lot of people there who had said 很顯然,他知道那裡有很多人說過 terrible things about me you know I could hear some Locker up chants in the 你知道我可以聽到一些 洛克人的讚美聲在這裡。 distance and then on the way out I ran into one of the you know people in the 然後在出去的路上,我遇到了一個你知道的人在這裡。 Congress who've been pursuing me I didn't recognize him to be and you 追求我的國會,我沒認出他是誰,而你呢? thought jason Chaffetz was right yes I was leaving the platform and you know 我覺得Jason Chaffetz是對的 是的,我正要離開平臺,你知道的。 this gentleman stuck out his hand and you know I greeted him and I thought it 這位先生伸出他的手,你知道我向他打招呼,我認為它 was Reince Priebus he tweeted out a photo in fact and he said I want to get 是Reince Priebus,他在推特上發了一張照片,其實他說我想得到。 it right tweeted out a picture saying so please she is not the president yeah and 它的權利推特了一張圖片說,所以請她是不是總統是啊,並 I said I would have liked to have said yeah and I thought you were Reince 我說我本來想說是的,我還以為你是林斯呢。 Priebus but anyway it you cover wannabe job there I did call him I want to be 普里巴斯,但無論如何,它你覆蓋崇拜者的工作有我沒有打電話給他,我想成為。 famous fan I am a huge limb is fan who isn't that a thing that's ever seen it 著名的粉絲我是一個巨大的肢體是風扇誰不是一個東西,曾經看到過它。 or heard the music does that happen to you a lot I mean people coming up to you 或聽到的音樂 你經常發生這種情況 我的意思是,人們走到你身邊 who have said terrible things about you not to your face and then being very 誰說了可怕的事情你不給你的臉,然後很是 friendly to your face I mean after the luncheon a congressman came up to you 我的意思是說,在午餐會後,一個國會議員向你走了過來 that's right who had called you I think the Antichrist did called me the 對了,誰叫你來的? 我想是反基督者叫我來的。 Antichrist and came up to introduce his wife to me I'd never met him before he's 反基督者,上來給我介紹他的妻子 我從來沒有見過他,他是... ... now our interior secretary as I write in the book and he could not have been 現在是我們的內政部長,因為我在書中寫道,他不可能是。 nicer in coming up to say hello wanting to greet me and I said well you know 更好地走過來打招呼 想問候我,我說,好吧,你知道的。 congressman I'm not the Antichrist and he immediately backpedaled and oh my 國會議員,我不是敵基督, 他立即反駁,哦,我的。 goodness and and his wife could not have been nicer but I make the point that 善良和他的妻子不能再好了,但我提出的觀點是 when you are subjected to the kind of abuse that we see much too much of in 當你受到那種虐待的時候,我們看到了太多的虐待。 our politics right now both in person and online and people feel very free 我們的政治現在在人和網上,人們感到非常自由。 anonymously to say terrible things or from a long distance where they don't 匿名說可怕的事情,或從一個遙遠的地方,他們不知道。 have to look you in the eye they don't have to relate to you or try to figure 他們不必看著你的眼睛,他們不需要和你聯繫,也不需要試圖去了解你的想法 out you know where you stand on something why you believe what you 你知道你對某件事情的立場,為什麼你相信你的觀點。 believe and it's a real loss it's a loss I mean this hyper partisanship and this 相信,這是一個真正的損失,這是一個損失,我的意思是,這種過度的黨派主義和這種。 negativity that I think has been really inflamed by the internet I've given a 負面情緒,我認為已經真正被激化的互聯網,我已經給了一個。 lot of thought to it over the last month's you also have a lot of people 在過去的一個月裡,你也有很多人對它進行了很多思考。 since then since inauguration day in the last eight months coming up to you women 自從就職日以來,在過去的八個月裡,走到你們這些女人的面前 coming up to you with their daughters and saying my daughter didn't go out to 帶著他們的女兒來找你,說我女兒沒有出去。 vote and sort of wanting absolution from right 投票,也算是想從右派中得到寬恕吧 that happened to me what's more common are people bursting into tears welling 我也有過這樣的經歷 更常見的是人們淚流滿面 up I had a lot of that at my book signing yesterday here do you give 我昨天籤售會上有很多這樣的事,你能給我嗎? absolution to those who didn't vote to women who didn't know I don't I look I 赦免那些沒有投票的人 那些不知道的女人 我不知道 我看我 when it first started happening it was so soon after the election and the 當它第一次開始發生 它是如此之快後,選舉和the election was so bizarre and close it was hard for me to 選舉是如此的詭異和接近,這是很難讓我。 you know comfort somebody who was coming to me and saying oh I wish I'd done more 你知道安慰別人誰是來找我,說哦,我希望我做了更多。 or I'm sorry I didn't vote because I think this was one of the most 或者我很抱歉我沒有投票,因為我認為這是一個最 consequential elections that you know we have faced in a long time so no 你知道我們在很長一段時間內都面臨著重要的選舉,所以不 absolution but of course you know I just hope people will take what happened this 赦免,但當然,你知道,我只是希望人們能接受這次發生的事情。 time seriously and be ready and willing to vote the next time it seems like 認真對待時間,並準備好並願意在下次投票時投票,這似乎是對的 you've been doing a lot of yoga alternate nostril breathing well I tried 你一直在做很多瑜伽交替鼻孔呼吸 我試過了 that page 27 in your book you talked about alternate nostril breathing yes 在你的書中的第27頁 你談到了交替的鼻孔呼吸 是的。 what is that and dare you give me a demonstration well I would highly 那是什麼,你敢給我演示一下嗎? recommend it you know I mean you're supposed to shut 推薦它,你知道,我的意思是,你應該關閉。 your eyes I don't want to shut your eyes up my eyes on you know on national 你的眼睛,我不想關閉你的眼睛了 我的眼睛,你知道在全國範圍內的 television but you know you do hold and you breathe through one and you hold it 但你知道你做持有和呼吸通過一個和你持有它的呼吸 and then you exhale through the other and you keep going 然後你通過另一個呼氣,你繼續前進。 I can only say based on my personal experience that if you're sitting 根據我的個人經驗,我只能說,如果你坐在 cross-legged on the yoga mat and you're doing it and you're really trying to 交叉腿在瑜伽墊上,你這樣做,你真的很想。 inhale and hold it and then have a long exhale it is very relaxing so I don't if 吸氣,並保持它,然後有一個長長的呼氣 它是非常放鬆,所以我不,如果。 you can do it in the middle of hurricane coverage but maybe some other moments 你可以做到這一點,在颶風覆蓋的中間,但也許一些其他的時刻。 you can try it I found it quite helpful I want to talk to you about Jim coming 你可以試試,我覺得挺有用的 我想跟你談談吉姆來的事。 when when Comey said that he was reopening the investigation you believe 當科米說他要重啟調查的時候,你就相信了 that is the day that effectively your campaign was over well that you lost I 那是一天,有效地你的運動結束了 好,你失去了,我 believe based on a lot of evidence and a lot of assessments by other good 根據大量的證據和其他優秀的評估,相信...。 analysts Nate Silver being one that yes that was the determinate of day because 分析師內特-西爾弗是一個,是的,這是決定性的一天,因為。 it stopped my momentum I don't blame voters for wondering what the heck was 它阻止了我的動力 我不責怪選民想知道什麼是地獄的 going on you have the FBI director saying what he said and it was a you 你有聯邦調查局局長說什麼,他說,這是一個你。 know terrible time to try to break through the last days of a campaign when 知道可怕的時間,試圖突破競選的最後一天,當。 you had this hanging over my head and it wasn't really lifted until the Sunday 你讓我頭懸梁錐刺股,直到週日才真正解除。 before the election and you had people early voting believing that oh my gosh 在選舉前,你有人們提前投票 相信,哦,我的天哪 there really is something here I knew there wasn't and I 這裡真的有一些東西,我知道沒有,我。 that it was hard to understand why he didn't just call me and others up and 很難理解為什麼他不直接把我和其他人叫來,然後... say hey can we look at this you feel you had been making progress winning back 說嘿,我們可以看看這個你覺得你一直在進步贏回 white women voters I believe well I'll give you one quick 白人女性選民,我相信,好吧,我給你一個快速的 example that I write about not my polling but other polling I was leading 例如,我寫的不是我的民調,而是我領先的其他民調。 about 25 26 points in the Philadelphia suburbs that could not have happened if 費城郊區約25 26個點,而這是不可能發生的,如果。 I hadn't had a lot of women and a lot of Republican women independent women 我沒有很多女人,也沒有很多共和黨的女人獨立的女人 saying that they were going to vote for me telling pollsters that I won those 說他們要投我的票 告訴民調人員我贏了這些錢 suburbs by 13 points that's a huge loss and I needed to win by probably about 郊區13分,這是一個巨大的損失,我需要贏得可能約。 eighteen to counterbalance what happens in the rest of the state which is 十八歲,以抵消國家其他地方發生的事情,這就是所謂的 "十八歲"。 something that we all knew going in but you know I talk about this in the book 一些我們都知道的事情,但你知道我在書中談到了這一點。 because I do want to answer questions that people might have but what I think 因為我確實想回答人們可能會有的問題,但我認為...。 is important is to really take a candid hard look about you know what the 重要的是,真正採取坦率的努力看看你知道什麼是 factors were I hope nobody ever faces what I faced with respect to that but 因素是我希望沒有人面對我所面對的事情,但是 whoever runs again probably starting in 2018 will face Russian interference may 無論誰再競選可能從2018年開始都將面臨俄羅斯的干預可能。 face coordination between opposition campaigns and Russians will face voter 面對反對派競選活動之間的協調,俄羅斯人將面臨選民。 suppression will face endemic sexism and misogyny and part of why I wrote this 壓制將面臨普遍的性別歧視和厭女症,這也是我寫這篇文章的部分原因。 book was not only to come to grips with what I think happened but to send up 這本書不僅是為了瞭解我認為發生的事情,而且是為了寄託了 some you know alarm signals so that others can say hey wait a minute these 一些你知道的報警信號,以便其他人可以說 嘿,等一下,這些 factors could affect anybody and eventually Republicans could be affected 的因素可能會影響任何人,最終共和黨人可能會受到影響。 some of your critics when they hear you talk about misogyny they say they roll 你的一些批評者 當他們聽到你談論厭女症的時候 他們說他們會滾蛋的 their eyes and say look that's that's an excuse 他們的眼睛說,你看這是一個藉口。 that in this day and age we had an african-american president but there's a 在這個時代,我們有一個非洲裔美國總統,但有一個 big difference between what motivates voters on race and what doesn't motivate 種族動機和非動機之間的巨大差異。 voters on gender most people in my position who have run for office 性別選民 在我這個位置上的大多數人都參加過競選。 particularly at the state level for senator governor and certainly my 特別是在州一級的參議員州長,當然還有我的。 experience is running for president you don't like to raise this because you 競選總統的經驗,你不喜歡提出這個問題,因為你... don't want people to think hey you know you're making excuses but I decided to 不想讓人們認為,嘿,你知道你在找藉口,但我決定。 raise it I write a whole chapter about it because I think if we don't confront 我寫了整整一章,因為我覺得如果我們不面對它 it especially given the words and actions of our current 特別是考慮到我們現在的言行 president it could be a big backlash that will undermine a lot of young women 總統,它可能是一個很大的反彈,將破壞很多年輕女性的。 and their own futures and now we know it's not just in politics it's in 和他們自己的未來,現在我們知道這不僅僅是在政治上,它是在。 Silicon Valley it's in businesses evolved Sheryl Sandberg good yes you 硅谷它是在企業中發展起來的謝麗爾-桑德伯格好的是你 believe that there's a double standard that women who when when you were 相信,有一個雙重標準,女性誰當你是 Secretary of State and you were seen as working for somebody else's interests 國務卿,你被認為是在為別人的利益工作 the United States interests you were very popular poll showed you were not 你是美國的利益,你很受歡迎 民調顯示你不是 69% at the end of my tenure but that when you were seen as working for 69%,在我任期結束時,但當你被認為是在為之工作時 yourself as a candidate mm-hm there's a different viewpoint and 你作為一個候選人mm-hm有一個不同的觀點和 Anderson it's not just what I believe as you mentioned Sheryl Sandberg who's just 安德森,這不僅僅是我相信,你提到的謝麗爾-桑德伯格,她只是。 delved into all the research that we possibly have about these issues when a 深入研究了我們可能擁有的關於這些問題的所有研究,當一個。 man is professionally successful he is seen as more likeable as a woman becomes 男人在事業上的成功,他被視為更可愛的女人,因為一個女人變得 more professionally successful she is seen as less likeable as you point out 如你所言,她在事業上更成功,但她卻不那麼可愛了 when a woman advocates for someone else in my position as Secretary of State for 當一個女人在我作為國務祕書的職位上為別人辯護時 my country for the president I was serving you know people can really like 我的國家為總統,我服務 你知道人們可以真正喜歡 you like the job you're doing I'm the exact same person and then all of a 你喜歡你的工作,我也是一樣的人,然後突然之間 sudden I step into the arena it's true even with something as mundane as if a 忽然間,我走進了競技場,這是真的,即使是一些平凡的東西,如果一個 woman goes to the to her employer and advocates a raise for someone else she's 婦人向僱主提出加薪的要求,她的僱主也是如此。 seen as a great team player leadership and all the rest if she goes and 被認為是一個偉大的團隊成員的領導力和所有其他的,如果她去和。 advocates for herself it counts against her whereas if a man goes and advocates 而如果一個男人去為自己辯護,則對她不利。 for himself hey you know the guy's got guts he's 為自己,你知道這傢伙有膽量的,他是 willing to step up and ask for what he wants you said about Jim Comey that he 願意站出來問他要什麼 你說的吉姆-科米,他 shaved you yeah which is a very I mean that's a strong word it is a strongly 剃光你的頭髮,這是一個非常 我的意思是,這是一個強烈的詞,這是一個強烈的。 and it also implies that this was a personal or that he was trying to get 這也意味著這是一個個人或他試圖獲得 you he's never been clear about his motivation and what bothered me the most 他一直不清楚自己的動機,也是最讓我困擾的地方。 as the time went on after the election is and we learned more about the open 隨著時間的推移,選舉後,我們瞭解了更多關於開放的。 FBI investigation into the Trump campaign and their connections with FBI調查特朗普競選活動及其與。 Russia that had been going on for quite some time the American people didn't 俄羅斯,已經持續了相當長的時間,美國人民沒有。 know about it he was specifically asked why didn't you tell the American 他被特別問到,你為什麼不告訴美國人? people about that investigation and he said well because it was too close to an 人們對該調查,他說,好吧,因為它是太接近一個。 election so ask yourself a closed investigation that ended the prior July 選舉,所以問自己一個封閉的調查,結束了前7月 an ongoing investigation into the Trump campaign and Russia one deserves to be 正在進行的調查到特朗普競選和俄羅斯一個值得被 blown out of all proportion nothing to be found one more time and the American 轟轟烈烈,一發不可收拾,美國佬 people don't have the information that there's a legitimate investigation going 人們不知道有一個合法的調查正在進行中 on about Trump and Russia before they vote do you think it is personal I have 在特朗普和俄羅斯之前,他們投票 你認為這是個人的,我有。 no idea I can't sit here and tell you I know that there had to be some pressure 我不知道我不能坐在這裡告訴你 我知道一定有一些壓力。 on him because Rudy Giuliani announced two days before that letter came out 因為魯迪-朱利安尼在信發出前兩天宣佈 that something big was coming in two days and people have speculated was he 這兩天有大事要發生,大家紛紛猜測是不是他的原因 under pressure from Giuliani and others within the FBI or the broader 在朱利安尼和其他聯邦調查局內部或更廣泛的壓力下。 law-enforcement community I don't speculate on it I just talked 執法界我不推測,我只是說說而已 about how really hard to understand it was and the impact that it had one of 關於如何真的很難理解,它是和影響,它有一個。 the things though that director Comey gave for that press conference in July 不過科米局長在7月的記者招待會上所做的事情。 was the meeting that your husband had on the tarmac with the Attorney General 是你丈夫在停機坪上與總檢察長的會面。 attorney general Lynch you write about it in the book but what you don't 林奇檢察長,你在書中寫了,但你沒有 mention in the book is what you said to your husband when you heard about that 書中提到的是你聽到那件事時對你丈夫說的話 meeting I didn't hear about it for days because it was so inconsequential to 我好幾天都沒有聽到它的消息,因為它是如此的無足輕重,對。 both of them and then when I heard about it I didn't really think much of it and 他們兩個人,然後當我聽到這個消息的時候,我並沒有多想,而且。 I think this was a rationalization that was used for being able to do what he 我想這是一種合理化的說法,是為了能夠做他的事情。 did but you know what's important to me going forward is as I say I think it's 但你知道什麼是重要的 對我來說,未來是我說,我認為這是 important to focus on what happened because lessons can be learned but the 重要的是要把重點放在所發生的事情上,因為可以吸取經驗教訓,但也要把注意力集中在所發生的事情上。 more important lessons that will affect our democracy going forward or not about 更重要的教訓,將影響到我們的民主前進或不關於。 him and his investigation he I think forever changed history but that's in 他和他的調查,他我認為永遠改變了歷史,但這是在。 the past what's important is the fact that the Russians are still going at us 重要的是俄國人還在向我們進攻。 he himself admitted that before Congress people I really respect like Jim clapper 他自己也承認,在國會之前,我真正尊重的人,如吉姆-克雷珀。 and John Brennan and others who knew what the Russians were doing have been 和約翰-布倫南以及其他知道俄羅斯人在做什麼的人都被抓了起來 sounding the alarm I will tell you this Anderson if 敲響了警鐘,我會告訴你,安德森,如果。 I had been elected president under the same circumstances so that you know I 我也是在同樣的情況下被選為總統的,所以你知道我... lost the popular vote I squeaked through the electoral college and evidence came 我在選舉團中僥倖過關 證據也出來了。 up that the Russians for whatever reason were trying to help me I would have said 如果說俄國人出於某種原因想幫我,我就會說 on the first day in office we're gonna launch the most thorough investigation 上任第一天我們就會展開最徹底的調查。 no nation particularly an adversary nation can mess with our democracy I 沒有任何國家,特別是敵對國家可以搞亂我們的民主,我 would have had an independent commission I would have done everything I could to 如果有一個獨立的委員會,我會盡我所能,以 get to the bottom of it because it's not going to stop that's what I'm worried 刨根問底,因為它不會停止 這就是我所擔心的。 about in the USA today when asked about collusion between the Trump campaign and 關於在美國今天被問及特朗普競選活動和之間的勾結。 Russia you said quote I'm convinced of it so I just want to be clear you're 俄羅斯你說的報價我深信不疑,所以我只想明確你是。 convinced there was collusion well let me say if I'm convinced there was 確信有串通好讓我說,如果我相信有 communication I'm convinced there were meetings and phone calls I'm convinced 溝通,我相信有會議和電話,我相信。 that there were financial entanglements let's let's wait to see what it's called 有經濟上的糾葛,讓我們拭目以待吧 I'm convinced that there was something going on and let's put that though let's 我相信,有什麼事情發生了,讓我們把,雖然讓我們 put the investigation to one side because indeed I have a lot of 把調查放在一邊,因為我確實有很多的。 confidence in the Special Counsel I don't know what he's going to end up 我不知道他最後會有什麼結果。 with he's a very honorable man if there's nothing there there's nothing 他是一個非常值得尊敬的人,如果沒有任何東西,沒有任何東西 there if there is I think he'll tell us put that to one side because that's 有,如果有,我想他會告訴我們把它放到一邊,因為那是。 ongoing it almost doesn't matter our president whoever our president is 正在進行中 我們的總統幾乎是無所謂的 不管我們的總統是誰? should be defending our country and should be standing up and saying nobody 應該捍衛我們的國家,應該站起來說,沒有人。 messes with America we are not going to tolerate that we don't hear any of that 我們不會容忍我們不聽到任何的美國 coming from the White House because of Russia's role do you think there should 因為俄羅斯的角色而從白宮傳出的消息,你認為應該有。 be an asterisk next to President Trump's name in the history books look I don't 在歷史書上特朗普總統的名字旁邊打上星號,看我不。 know we don't know we don't have all the facts yet what I believe we now know 我們知道我們不知道 我們還沒有掌握所有的事實 我相信我們現在知道的東西 they paid for facebook ads and those were disseminated broadly we know that 他們支付的Facebook廣告和那些被傳播廣泛我們知道, they had access to targeting and data information from somewhere maybe 他們可以從某個地方獲得目標和數據資訊,也許。 internally maybe helped externally we know that they had Russians pretending 對內也許有幫助 對外我們知道他們有俄羅斯人假裝 to be Americans who were online and in-person trying to foment negative 是美國人誰在網上和親自試圖煽動負面的 stories about me and positive ones about Trump we know there was a huge amount of 關於我的故事和關於特朗普的積極故事,我們知道有大量的。 content being produced in places like Macedonia we know that WikiLeaks which 內容正在生產的地方像馬其頓 我們知道,維基解密,這 is basically a front now for Putin was more than 現在基本上是一個幌子普京是比 willing to publish stolen emails from the DNC from John Podesta and that then 願意公佈偷來的電子郵件從DNC從約翰-波德斯塔和,然後 those emails were weaponized with ridiculous absurd untrue stories being 這些電子郵件被武器化 與荒謬的荒謬的不真實的故事被 churned out on and on so there's a lot we know already your fuck you follow 喋喋不休,所以有很多我們已經知道了你的他媽的你跟隨 this extremely closely what I started following this back in the summer of 這極其密切我開始關注這個早在夏天的 2016 because there was something going on when the DNC hack happened you know 2016年,因為DNC黑客事件發生的時候,有一些事情發生,你知道嗎? we had a huge political crisis when Republicans physically broke in to the 我們有一個巨大的政治危機 當共和黨人的身體闖入了 Democratic Party's records back in the so-called watergate years this is a 民主黨在所謂的水門事件年代的記錄 這是一個。 different kind of theft and it's do you think this is bigger than Watergate I 這是不同的盜竊行為,你認為這比水門事件更嚴重嗎? think it's probably bigger than Watergate because it is about the future 我想這可能比水門事件更重要,因為它關係到未來的發展 you know we no longer are worried about you know spies and provocateurs with you 你知道我們不再擔心 你知道間諜和挑釁者與你在一起 know dressed in black with gloves breaking into a an office and stealing 穿著黑衣戴著手套的人闖進辦公室偷東西。 information they do it sitting in the offices of the Russian you know military 他們坐在俄羅斯的辦公室裡做的情報 你知道的,軍事部門 intelligence and other related venues and they get into what is the core of 情報和其他相關場所,他們進入的核心是什麼? our life now through the computer network as you know though Republicans 我們現在的生活是通過電腦網絡進行的,你知道雖然共和黨人 will say no vote was ever changed this did not affect the outcome well I would 會說,沒有投票曾經改變 這並不影響結果 好吧,我將 say two things this was a highly sophisticated influence operation I 我要說兩件事 這是個非常複雜的影響力行動 believe it did affect people's votes you think it cost you votes I think it cost 相信確實影響了人們的選票 你認為影響了你的選票 我認為影響了你的選票。 me votes the fact that those emails were were don't those were they well and that 我投票的事實,這些電子郵件是被不那些是他們好,那。 they were were weaponized so in the book I write about how if you go look at 他們是... ...是武器化的,所以在書中我寫道,如果你去看看如何... Google searches particularly in some of the battleground states during October 谷歌搜索,特別是在10月份的一些戰場州。 and you listen to Trump's speeches where he mentioned WikiLeaks I think 160 times 你聽特朗普的演講 他在那裡提到維基解密 我想160次。 they clearly knew that stories that were making stuff up trying to use the emails 他們清楚地知道,故事是編造的東西 試圖使用的電子郵件 were permeating Facebook and other sites the worst of them was this pizza gate 被滲透到Facebook和其他網站 最糟糕的是這個比薩門。 story where honest to goodness out of whole cloth made up they took the word 誠實的故事,在那裡誠信的整塊布,他們採取了字的。 pizza out of one of John Podesta Z mails and 披薩出一個約翰-波德斯塔Z郵件和 that he and I were running a child trafficking ring in a poor little pizza 他和我在一個可憐的小比薩餅店裡經營著一個販賣兒童的團伙。 parlor in Washington it sounds absurd millions of people were 在華盛頓的會客室,這聽起來很荒唐,數百萬人被 exposed to that the horrible hit job total lies about the Clinton Foundation 暴露了可怕的打工作總謊言關於克林頓基金會。 people were affected by that because we could see that the wikileaks searches in 的人受到影響,因為我們可以看到,在維基解密搜索。 a lot of places that were historically kind of swing counties were really 很多地方是歷史上那種搖擺縣 真的是 rising i think the influence did affect individual voters what we don't know yet 我認為影響確實影響了個別選民,但我們還不知道的是 and we are only beginning to get evidence of is why were the russians 我們只是開始得到的證據 是為什麼俄羅斯人 intruding into our voter registration rolls but do you think this Russian 侵入我們的選民登記冊,但你認為這個俄羅斯人。 interference was not enough to have cost the election if director Comey hadn't 干涉不足以使選舉失敗,如果主任科米沒有。 reopened that investigation that's what I believe I believe though it became a 重啟調查,這就是我所相信的,我相信雖然它成為一個 perfect storm reopening it which caused people once again to be obsessed with 完美風暴的重新開啟,讓人們再一次迷戀上了 emails and then Podesta's emails being used to drive all this negative story 電子郵件,然後波德斯塔的電子郵件 被用來推動所有這一切負面的故事。 about me I think it came together to really kind of make some people queasy 關於我,我認為它走到一起真的有點讓一些人感到不安 like oh my gosh what if she goes to jail I heard that so many times I've talked 就像哦,我的天哪,如果她進了監獄,我聽說過很多次,我已經說過了。 to reporters who were out there covering the campaign to the very end and people 到記者誰在那裡報道 競選到最後和人民 would say things like you know I like her and I think she's done a good job 會說這樣的事情,你知道我喜歡她,我覺得她做得很好。 but what if she's in jail and you know I knew that that was happening but I 但是,如果她在監獄裡,你知道,我知道,這是發生,但我 thought we would ride it out I want to ask you about the second debate 我想問你關於第二場辯論會的情況。 yeah which took place two days and you were there and I want to thank you I 是的,這發生了兩天,你在那裡,我想感謝你,我。 want to thank you Anderson I'm hard on the press as you know from reading the 謝謝你,安德森,我對媒體很苛刻,你看了我的文章就知道了 book in many ways but a couple of people come in for you know good descriptions 書在很多方面,但有幾個人進來你知道好的描述。 and praise and I thought the way you started that debate what you said in the 和讚美,我認為你開始辯論的方式 你說什麼在。 beginning needed to be said and I I really appreciated that well what you're 開始需要說,我我真的很欣賞,以及你是什麼。 referencing is is my first question to President Trump which was you know 參考是我對特朗普總統的第一個問題,這是你知道的。 describing what he had talked about he described as lack or inventor and I said 形容他所談的他形容為缺乏或發明家,我說。 that is sexual assault or do you do you understand that we wrestled as a 這是性侵犯或你 你明白,我們摔跤作為一個 co-moderator we wrestled with how to handle the access hollywood tape i'm 共同主持人,我們掙扎著如何處理訪問好萊塢錄像帶,我是。 wondering when the access hollywood tape came out two days before this debate did 想知道當訪問好萊塢錄像帶出來兩天前,這場辯論沒有 you wrestle with what to say about it well first of all we were shocked and 你掙扎著該怎麼說呢 首先,我們很震驚,而且... and we were you know totally surprised that something like that 我們是你知道完全 驚訝的事情,這樣的事情, existed and that had come out and we did wrestle with it because we wanted to let 存在,並且已經出來了,我們確實與它搏鬥,因為我們想讓。 people see it we didn't want to get in the way of people being able to draw 人們看到它,我們不想妨礙人們能夠畫畫。 their own conclusions but we also you know wanted to you know reference it 他們自己的結論,但我們也你知道想 你知道參考它 because I found it very troubling both personally and politically do you 因為我發現它非常麻煩 無論是個人還是政治上的你 understand women who voted for Donald Trump as president even though they 理解那些投票給唐納德-特朗普當總統的女性,即使她們 heard what he said on the accident do you respect women who voted for Donald 聽到他說的事故 你尊重投給唐納德的女人嗎? Trump after the accident here's what I would say about that I think what 特朗普在事故發生後,我想說的是,我想說的是。 happened after that tape which was wall-to-wall coverage certainly affected 在那盤錄像帶之後發生的事情,這是牆壁到牆壁的覆蓋面肯定會影響到。 a lot of people and I think a lot of women were very concerned about that and 很多人,我想很多婦女都很關心這個問題,而且。 I knew that it would be tough to I won women I won all women but I lost white 我知道這將是艱難的,我贏得了女人,我贏得了所有的女人,但我失去了白種人 women and I knew that would be tough but I ended up actually getting more white 女人,我知道這將是艱難的,但我最終實際上得到更多的白色 women's votes than President Obama had in 2012 so this is not just a problem 婦女的選票比奧巴馬總統在2012年的選票多,所以這不僅僅是一個問題。 for me this was a longer term Democratic nominee problem so I knew I was going to 對我來說,這是一個長期的民主黨提名人的問題,所以我知道我將要 have to work hard on it and when that happened and the way really it was a 必須努力工作就可以了,當發生和方式真的是一個。 horrific two to three days story and then it sort of dropped because remember 可怕的兩三天的故事,然後它有點下降,因為記得。 within an hour of that tape going public release WikiLeaks dropped John Podesta Z 在一個小時內的錄音帶去公開發布 維基解密下降約翰-波德斯塔Z mails I struggled with that I thought why would somebody find what largely I 郵件,我掙扎著,我想為什麼會有人發現什麼主要是我。 think could be described as boring anodyne emails more significant than 認為可以說是無聊的無厘頭郵件,其意義比 words coming out of trumps mouth also at that debate there was there it was the 話從特朗普斯嘴裡說出來也在那場辯論有有它是。 most tense room I've ever been in for the first 30 minutes certainly at the 最緊張的房間,我曾經在前30分鐘 當然,在這裡。 debate you didn't shake hands with each other and there was the physicality of 辯論中,你沒有和對方握手,有身體的。 Donald Trump walking around the stage I'm just wondering what was going 唐納德-特朗普在舞臺上走來走去,我只是想知道發生了什麼。 through your mind at that point well as I write you know I prepared for him to 通過你的頭腦,在這一點上,以及我寫你知道我準備了他的 try to use his size and his presence to intimidate me as I was walking out to 試圖利用他的體型和他的存在來恐嚇我,當我走出去的時候。 get on the debate that's something you would actually press I had practiced and 得到的辯論,這是你實際上會按 我已經練習和。 you know one of the members of my team said 你知道我的一個團隊成員說過 remember he's trying to get inside your head I said yeah you think because I 記得他想進入你的大腦 我說是的,你認為,因為我... ... knew that the best way he could respond given what that tape showed was to try 他知道,鑑於錄像帶顯示的內容,他最好的迴應方式就是嘗試一下。 to assert you know the the the alpha male 聲稱你知道男主角的身份 it's just locker room talk stuff so we we practiced that and I concluded after 它只是更衣室談話的東西 所以我們我們練習,我總結後 practicing it that I needed to just remain calm and composed because if I 練習它,我需要只是保持冷靜和沉著,因為如果我。 said anything that acknowledged it I was afraid that it would look like I 說任何承認它的東西,我怕它看起來像我 couldn't take it that I wasn't you know really tough enough that this guy was 不能把它,我是不是你知道真正的強硬不夠,這傢伙是 looming over me I should just be able to proceed that's what I did 在我面前,我應該可以繼續下去,這就是我所做的事情。 in retrospect in writing the book I thought you know because my head was 現在回想起來,在寫這本書的時候,我以為你知道,因為我的頭是 like running all through the debate like this is really discomforting this is 像運行所有的辯論這樣的 這真的是令人不舒服這是 weird I've debated other people what he's doing is deliberately meant to 怪了,我跟別人辯論過他的做法是刻意為之的 throw me off maybe I should say something you know I turn around you're 把我趕走了 也許我應該說點什麼 你知道我轉過身來你是 not going to intimidate me back off you creep but I concluded no I wanted to 不打算嚇唬我退後,你蠕變,但我的結論是,沒有我想 remain composed you know it was judged I was attracting for you it was obviously 保持鎮定,你知道這是判斷我在為你吸引,這顯然是。 you weren't looking at him no did you see him out of the corner your eyes you 你不是在看他,不是,你是在眼角看到他的。 could I mean you could feel the presence and you know maybe it's a skill that 我的意思是,你可以感覺到的存在 你知道,也許這是一個技能, women particularly develop because you know we have to be aware of our 婦女特別是發展,因為你知道我們必須意識到我們的。 surroundings I certainly was aware of him and and you know I won the debate 周圍的環境 我當然知道他的存在 你知道我贏得了辯論 according to the analysts and all the rest of that but as I say in the book I 根據分析師和其他所有的分析,但正如我在書中所說,我。 think that what he did and what he tried to do and his insulting me like calling 認為,他做了什麼,他試圖做什麼 他侮辱我,就像調用。 me a nasty woman in the third debate all of that played to his base so both the 在第三次辯論中,我是一個討厭的女人 所有這一切都發揮了他的基礎,所以這兩個 men and women who were in his base in the Republican base 黨內人士 they were rationalizing their support for him all the time it was like well 他們是合理化 他們的支持他所有的時間 這就像很好的 yeah it's probably his locker room oh my gosh you know look the director of the 是的,這可能是他的更衣室 哦,我的天哪,你知道看導演的。 FBI says she may go to jail okay well locker room isn't as bad as that so 聯邦調查局說她可能會進監獄 好吧,更衣室也沒那麼糟糕,所以 there was a constant weighing back and forth and at the end he got 90% of the 來來回回,最後他拿到了九成的份額。 Republican vote I got 90% of the Democratic vote and it was in part 共和黨的選票我得到了90%的民主黨的選票,這部分原因是 because I think a lot of people who voted for him well he won't really be 因為我認為很多人誰投了他的票 好吧,他不會真的是 like that as president and besides we want our tax cuts and we 像這樣的總統,此外,我們希望我們的減稅,我們。 want to make sure that we get a Supreme Court justice so I think there was heavy 想確保我們得到一個最高法院的法官,所以我認為有沉重的。 rationalization going on in that last month you spent a lot of time in the 在上個月你花了大量的時間在合理化上 book talking about how much comfort your husband gave you throughout the campaign 書上說你丈夫在整個競選過程中給了你多少安慰。 and yeah and obvious in the last couple of months you wrote I know some people 是啊,很明顯,在過去的幾個月裡,你寫道,我知道一些人。 wonder why we're still together that we must have an arrangement we do it's 不知道為什麼我們還在一起 我們一定要有一個安排,我們做的是 called a marriage that I helped him become president and then stayed so he 叫做婚姻,我幫他當上了總統,然後留下來,所以他 could help me become president know that we lead completely separate lives and 可以幫助我成為總統知道我們過著完全不同的生活,而且... it's just a marriage on paper now he's reading over my shoulder in our kitchen 只是紙上談兵而已 現在他在我們的廚房裡從我的肩膀上看書 with our dogs underfoot I wonder why you felt the need to include that in the 我們的狗在腳下,我不知道為什麼你覺得有必要將這一點包括在 book you know I talked about Bill I talked about Chelsea and I talked about 書中你知道我談到了比爾 我談到了切爾西,我談到了 my mother and I talked about my friends because in the book on second in the 我和我的母親談到了我的朋友,因為在書中的第二在。 book I have a chapter called on being a woman in politics where I really do try 我的書裡有一章叫 "從政的女人",我真的很努力。 to take on sexism and misogyny but I also wanted to make it clear first of 對付性別歧視和厭女症,但我也想首先明確的是 all that putting yourself out there in politics in public life can be immensely 縱使你在政治上和公共生活上都會有很大的影響 rewarding but that's not all that's important in life by any means and so I 但這並不是人生中最重要的事情,所以我... wanted to you really again kind of pull the curtain back and say you know I lost 想你真的再次種拉開帷幕,說你知道我失去了。 a presidential campaign that I thought I was going to win it was devastating but 一個總統競選,我認為我將贏得它是毀滅性的,但。 I have so many blessings in my life starting with my husband and the life we 我的生活中有很多祝福,從我的丈夫和我們的生活開始。 built together you also wrote that during the what you describe as the dark 你還寫道,在你所描述的黑暗時期,你還寫道,在你所描述的黑暗時期。 days of your marriage the two questions you asked herself was do I still love 在你們結婚的日子裡,你問自己的兩個問題是:我還愛不愛? him and can i still be in this marriage without becoming unrecognizable to 他和我還能在這個婚姻中 不變得不認識的 myself were those easy questions to answer they were really hard questions 我自己是那些容易回答的問題 他們是真正困難的問題。 you know anybody alive in America at that time knows how difficult that 你知道任何一個當時在美國活著的人都知道那有多難。 period was and you know I I really had to struggle and I had a lot of angst you 期間,你知道,我,我真的不得不掙扎,我有很多的不安,你。 know I had to fall back on my faith and my family my friends but I wasn't going 我知道我必須依靠我的信仰和我的家庭 我的朋友,但我不會... to be making a decision that other people wanted me to make or that public 做出一個決定,其他人要我做 或者說,公 pressure was you know coming in on me I'm gonna make my decision and it was 壓力是你知道的來在我身上,我要做我的決定,它是。 based on those two questions and you know the life we had built together and 基於這兩個問題,你知道我們一起建立的生活,並。 I'm very glad that that's the way I chose to continue my life Chelsea 我很高興,這是我選擇繼續我的生活的方式切爾西 wynton was a surrogate during before you during the campaign Ivanka Trump was a 溫頓在你競選前是代理律師 伊萬卡-特朗普在競選期間是代理律師。 surrogate for for president Trump if you had won with Chelsea Clinton have an 如果你和切爾西-克林頓一起贏了,你就會成為特朗普總統的代理人。 office in the West Wing would she be able to drop in on meetings with 在西翼的辦公室裡,她是否可以順便與 congressional leaders no but it wouldn't even cross her mind she's got a very 國會領導人沒有,但它甚至不會穿過她的想法,她有一個非常的 active life she's written a couple of great books and is it appropriate you 她寫了幾本很好的書,你是不是應該... know it's up to a president decide who is or is not welcomed in any meeting 要知道,開會不歡迎誰,是會長的事。 that's up to a president and I you know can only speak for myself and the White 這是一個總統的決定,我 你知道只能代表我自己和白宮說。 House has I've been in and the work that I've done and I think there's not enough 房子有我一直在和我所做的工作,我認為沒有足夠的。 expertise and experience yet in the White House right now I think does it 專業知識和經驗,但在白宮,現在我認為它不 concern you that Jared Kushner was somebody you worked as Secretary of 你擔心賈裡德-庫什納是一個你曾擔任過國務卿的人嗎? State who worked obviously on Middle East peace does it concern that Jared 國家誰的工作顯然在中東和平 它關注賈裡德。 Kushner is seems to be the point person on well it concerns me that the deep 庫什納是似乎是點的人,以及它關注我,深。 well of experience and expertise that our country has to offer our foreign 經驗和專業知識,我國可以向我們的外國朋友提供。 service has to offer that outside experts have to offer is largely being 服務所能提供的服務,而外部專家所能提供的服務在很大程度上是被。 disregarded and you know if you look at what's happening in North Korea we need 忽視,你知道,如果你看看發生在北韓的事情,我們需要。 to have an intensive diplomatic effort that requires people who know the 要進行密集的外交努力,需要懂行的人。 culture know the history know the languages that are involved I don't see 文化 瞭解歷史 瞭解所涉及的語言 我看不出... that happening and then you can pick anywhere else in the world and draw the 然後你可以選擇世界上其他任何地方,並畫出你的名字。 same conclusion so we are not engaging in statecraft the way we need to it's 同樣的結論,所以我們並沒有以我們需要的方式參與到國家工程中來,這是 not that individuals can't be part of teams who may have different expertise 並不是說個人不能成為團隊中的一員,因為他們可能有不同的專業知識 or perspectives that's fine but teams need to be led by people who understand 或觀點,這很好,但團隊需要由瞭解的人上司。 the history and how we got to where we are in order to make progress in the 的歷史和我們如何走到今天的位置,以便在 book you make no attempt to hide your displeasure about the electoral college 你毫不掩飾你對選舉團的不滿。 and you say on page 386 you say the godforsaken Elektro you mentioned 你在386頁上說你說的那個被遺棄的Elektro的名字 winning the popular vote obviously multiple times in the book yes do you 在書中多次贏得民選顯然是的,是嗎? think the electoral college should be abolished I said that in 2000 after what 我認為選舉團應該被廢除 我在2000年說過這句話 happened to the 2000 election with Al Gore I was elected to the Senate that 發生在2000年的選舉與阿爾-戈爾 我當選為參議員,該 same year and if you look at our recent history we've had several candidates 如果你看看我們最近的歷史,我們有幾個候選人 nominees who have won the popular vote and lost the electoral college what does 贏得民選票的提名人和失去選舉團的提名人是怎麼回事 that say and it says that an anachronism that was designed for another time no 說,它說,一個不合時宜的設計,為另一個時代沒有 longer works if we've moved toward one-person one-vote that's how we select 如果我們走向了一人一票的選拔方式,那就不再有效了 winners I was amused after the French elections when I was listening to an 法國大選後,我聽了一個關於法國大選的故事,覺得很有趣。 interview with a French electoral expert and he said well unlike your country the 採訪了一位法國選舉專家,他說,與你們國家不同的是。 person who wins the most votes wins so I think it needs to be eliminated I'd like 得票最多的人贏了,所以我認為需要淘汰 我想... to see us move beyond it yes the you also mentioned in the book that 看到我們超越了它 是的,你在書中也提到了。 after you realize you'd lost you thought about all the locker option 當你意識到你已經失去了,你想過所有的儲物櫃選項 yes and that Donald Trump had said it actually was at the second debate Donald 是的,唐納德-特朗普曾說,它實際上是在第二次辯論唐納德 Trump said he if he was president you would be in jail is that something you 特朗普說,如果他是總統,你會被關進監獄,這是你的事嗎? seriously worried about well I knew I had no reason to worry about it but I 嚴重擔心 我知道我沒有理由擔心,但我 worried that he might make that effort you can't predict what he might do 心有餘而力不足 that's one of the lessons I think we've seen so far in this presidency but you 這是一個教訓,我想我們已經看到了 到目前為止,在這個總統任期內,但你 know I like so much else I just kind of moved beyond that I got interested in 我知道我喜歡這麼多其他的東西,我只是有點超越了,我得到了感興趣的 cleaning my closets and you know taking long walks in the woods things that 清理我的衣櫥,你知道的 在樹林裡走了很久的路的事情 helped me recover from that loss do you think Donald Trump has moved beyond the 幫助我從損失中恢復 你認為唐納德-特朗普已經超越了... ... election are you I mean he does talk about you still or not a lot yes he does 選舉,你是我的意思是,他確實談論你仍然或不是很多,是的,他做到了。 talk about me quite a bit I don't know I would think he'd have a lot more 我不知道,我想他會有更多的談論我。 important things to spend his time on he's got you know crises all around the 他有重要的事情要花時間在他的身上 他有你知道的周圍的危機 world to deal with he's got divisive nough sin our country he's got the 他要對付世界,他要對付我們國家的分裂,他要對付我們國家的分裂。 terrible events of Charlottesville and so much else going on that I think he 夏洛茨維爾可怕的事件和這麼多的其他事情,我認為他的。 should be focused on rather than constantly trying to take potshots at me 而不是不斷地對我進行抨擊。 or at President Obama he does that quite often too just a couple quick other 或在奧巴馬總統,他這樣做,經常太只是一對夫婦快速其他。 questions senator Sanders obviously he has a strong voice now and the 問題參議員桑德斯顯然他現在有一個強大的聲音,而。 Democratic Party comes under a lot of criticism from you in the book what 民主黨在你的書中受到了很多責備,你在書中寫道 political sin did he commit other than choosing to run against you well it's 他犯了什麼政治罪,除了選擇和你對著幹之外,那就是 not the political sin he committed it was the failure to move quickly to unify 不是他犯下的政治罪過 是他沒有迅速統一的行動。 the party and his supporters and I know a little bit about this after it was 黨和他的支持者,我知道一點後,它是。 clear that yes it was clear I was going to be the nominee like in March or April 很清楚,是的,很清楚我將成為被提名人,就像在3月或4月一樣 it was beyond any doubt in June and in a way we ran a much closer 在6月份,這是毫無疑問的,在某種程度上,我們運行一個更接近的。 tougher primary contest between President Obama and myself it was really 奧巴馬總統和我之間更艱難的初選,它是真的。 close and I immediately endorsed him and I went to work for him I spent countless 接近,我立即支持他,我去為他工作 我花了無數的 hours Anderson convincing my supporters who felt equally aggrieved that they had 安德森花了幾個小時說服我的支持者,他們同樣感到委屈,因為他們有 to support Barack Obama I was still arguing with big rooms of supporters at 支持奧巴馬我還在爭論與大房間的支持者在。 the Denver convention I didn't get that same you know respect and reciprocity 丹佛大會上,我沒有得到同樣的 你知道的尊重和互惠 from senator Sanders or from his supporters they're still you know 從參議員桑德斯或從他的支持者 他們仍然是你知道的 incredibly divisive and I'm interested in what he can do to help elect 令人難以置信的分裂,我有興趣的是,他能做什麼,以幫助選舉。 Democrats he's not a Democrat he he makes that clear but we need to do 民主黨人,他不是民主黨人,他他說得很清楚,但我們需要做的是 everything possible to win the governorships in New Jersey and Virginia 千方百計爭取新澤西州和弗吉尼亞州的州長職位。 this year and we need to do everything possible to flip the Congress in 2018 he 今年,我們需要盡一切可能在2018年翻轉國會,他。 could be helpful if he so chose and that's what I'm calling on him to do do 如果他選擇的話,可能會有幫助,這也是我呼籲他做的事情。 you think Donald Trump will be a candidate in 2020 well he's already got 你覺得唐納德-特朗普會成為2020年的候選人嗎? 他已經得到了。 a committee open he's raising a lot of money so I think he thinks he will be 一個委員會的開放,他籌集了很多錢,所以我認為他認為他將是。 and we'll have to wait and see what happens to those who hear you they you 我們將不得不等待,看看會發生什麼 那些誰聽到你,他們的你 know hear interviews you've done see the book coming out and think is this really 知道聽到你做的採訪,看到這本書出來,覺得這是真的嗎? what the Democratic Party needs that there's do that they need fresh 民主黨需要什麼,有做 他們需要新的。 leadership they need new voices they need new people entering the arena and 他們需要新的聲音,他們需要新的人進入這個舞臺,並且......。 that by you being on the stage in such a public way it it hampers that oh I don't 你在舞臺上以這樣一種公開的方式 它阻礙了 哦,我不知道。 buy that at all I think you know from my perspective I have a lot of experience 我想你知道,從我的角度來看,我有很多經驗。 and expertise and insight that I'm sharing with the world and particularly 和專業知識和見解,我正在與世界分享,特別是 with Democrats I've got a new organization called onward together I'm 我和民主黨人一起成立了一個新的組織,叫 "繼續前進",我是... ... supporting young grassroots groups that have sprung up to recruit candidates 支持湧現出來的年輕草根團體招募候選人; 2. train them run them fund them I'm going to be supporting candidates so I may be 訓練他們 運作他們 資助他們 我將支持候選人 所以我可能是 out of politics as a candidate but I am still deeply committed to doing anything 作為候選人退出政壇,但我仍然堅定地致力於做任何事情。 I can to make sure that we don't lose ground to this divisive bigotry and bias 我可以確保我們不會因為這種分裂性的偏執和偏見而失勢 and Prejudice and and you know favoring the the wealthy and the well-connected 和偏見和你知道的偏愛 富人和有關係的人 over everybody else that I see as the agenda of this White House 我認為這是白宮的日程安排 General Michael Hayden I have him on my show a lot and you know he has a 邁克爾-海登將軍,我經常讓他上我的節目,你知道他有一個。 lifetime in intelligence work one of the things he talks about is the thin veneer 他一生從事情報工作,他所講的一件事就是薄情寡義。 of civilization and that he is very concerned that it is a very thin veneer 的文明,而且他非常擔心這只是一層很薄的外衣。 that we think our institutions are so solid that our democracy is so secure 我們認為我們的機構是如此的穩固 我們的民主是如此的安全。 that nothing can upset and nothing can wipe away that thin veneer of 沒有什麼能讓你心煩意亂 沒有什麼能抹去你那層薄薄的外衣。 civilization do you worry about that I worry about it all the time I've heard 你擔心的文明,我一直在擔心,我聽說了 Mike Hayden talked to you about that and I know he's written about it and 邁克-海登跟你說過這個問題,我知道他寫過這個問題,而且... ... it's a very serious sober warning you know civilization in part is the 這是一個非常嚴重的清醒的警告,你知道文明的一部分是。 institutionalization of the rule of law of minority rights of a free press of 少數民族權利的法治制度化和新聞自由的制度化 the kinds of incredible guarantees that we made as a nation from our very 作為一個國家,我們從一開始就做出了各種不可思議的保證。 founding civilization also requires leadership so that when people start 創立文明也需要領導力,這樣當人們開始 engaging in white supremacy talk and they parade as neo-nazis and they are in 從事白人至上主義的談話,他們遊行作為新納粹主義,他們是在。 the Ku Klux Klan and and they are unbridled on the internet with their 三K黨和他們在互聯網上肆無忌憚地用他們的。 racist and sexist and other kinds of insulting comments we need leadership at 種族主義和性別歧視和其他種類的侮辱性評論,我們需要上司在。 the highest levels of our government to say that's not acceptable part of what 我們政府的最高層說,這是不可接受的部分什麼 makes us this dynamic extraordinary country which I'm very optimistic about 使我們這個充滿活力的非凡的國家,我對它非常樂觀。 long-term is our diversity is the fact that we've brought people together from 長期來看,我們的多樣性是我們把來自世界各地的人們聚集在一起的事實。 all over to be part of the American Dream in the American experiment so our 在美國實驗中成為美國夢的一部分,所以我們的美國夢。 civilization which has the attributes of the kind of institutional supports and 文明的屬性,它具有那種制度支持和 democracy and citizenship and voting being absolutely core to that has to be 民主和公民身份以及投票是其絕對的核心,必須要有民主和公民身份。 defended internally and externally and I'm just hoping that more people and 內外兼修,我只是希望更多的人和。 particularly more Republicans will speak up because if we begin to see the 特別是更多的共和黨人會說出來,因為如果我們開始看到的。 erosion of the rule of law and the erosion of our our voting system and so 法治受到侵蝕,我們的投票制度受到侵蝕,是以,我們必須要有更多的人参與進來。 much else that's not going to stop by hurting Democrats for heaven's sakes 傷害民主黨人,天理難容 that hurts our entire country and undermines who we are as Americans so I 這傷害了我們整個國家,破壞了我們作為美國人的身份,所以我。 think that people like Mike Hayden and as many others as possible need to be 認為像邁克-海登這樣的人以及其他儘可能多的人需要被 speaking out and standing up and saying just that Secretary Clinton thanks very 說出來,站出來,說只是國務卿克林頓非常感謝。 much thanks 多謝
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