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  • this book isn't airing out of a lot of things but but you come across as less

    這本書是不是空氣了很多東西,但但你來作為少

  • guarded was is that is that hard for you it doesn't feel good to do it it really

    警惕的是,對你來說有那麼難嗎,做起來感覺不好,真的

  • does Anderson I write in the book about how you know for so much of my time in

    安德森,我在書中寫道,你知道我這麼多時間在

  • public life I felt like I was on this high wire with no net I was trying to

    公眾生活我覺得我是在這個高線 沒有網,我試圖...

  • balance so many different competing concerns and I wanted to write a book

    平衡這麼多不同的競爭關注,我想寫一本書。

  • that would be as candid take people behind the scenes as I possibly could

    這將是坦率地把人們的幕後,因為我可能會。

  • share some of what went on on the road the kinds of activities that you do when

    分享一些在路上發生的事情 你在路上做的各種活動,當

  • you're running for president especially as a woman but also to tackle the hard

    你要競選總統,尤其是作為一個女人,但也要解決困難的問題

  • questions like what what happened in the campaign what were the mistakes I made

    諸如在競選中發生了什麼問題 我犯了什麼錯誤?

  • which I you know talked about and what else happened and particularly with an

    你知道我說過的,還有發生了什麼事,特別是與一個... ...

  • eye to understanding what we need to know so it doesn't happen again one of

    瞭解我們需要知道的事情,以免再次發生。

  • the things you write about is the inauguration and I want to just take you

    你寫的東西是就職典禮,我想只是把你

  • back to inauguration day you're standing inside the Capitol waiting to go out on

    回到就職典禮那天,你站在國會大廈內,等著出場。

  • the platform with the former president with former President Clinton what was

    前總統與前總統克林頓的平臺是什麼?

  • going through your mind well it was such a surreal moment because usually a

    這是一個超現實的時刻,因為通常情況下... ...

  • candidate who doesn't win the election without some other position wouldn't go

    勝不了的候選人,如果沒有其他職位,就不會去

  • but as a former first lady you know my husband and I go to inaugurations it's

    但作為一個前第一夫人 你知道我丈夫和我去就職典禮,這是

  • part of the way we demonstrate continuity of government and I really

    是我們展示政府連續性的方式的一部分,我真的是

  • debated whether I could do it or not and you actually called up to Jimmy

    爭論我是否能做到這一點,你居然打電話給吉米。

  • Carter former President Carter and George W but right our offices were in

    卡特前總統卡特和喬治-W但正確的我們的辦公室是在。

  • communication with both the Carters and and both bushes and the elder bushes

    與Carters和和灌木叢和年長的灌木叢的溝通。

  • couldn't come because of ill health but you know both George and Laura and Jimmy

    但你知道喬治和勞拉還有吉米都不能來了

  • and Rosalyn we're gonna go and Bill and I just said you know we got to do this

    和羅莎琳,我們要去 和比爾和我只是說,你知道,我們必須這樣做。

  • so we were going but I can't tell you I was looking forward to it and as we were

    所以我們要去,但我不能告訴你 我很期待它,因為我們是

  • standing inside the door of the Capitol before you descend the steps to go out

    在你下臺階出去之前,你要站在國會大廈的門內。

  • to the platform you know I was just thinking of what it was like when Bill

    到平臺上,你知道我只是在想它是什麼樣子,當比爾

  • won and what it was like when I was there in 2001 I was a newly elected

    2001年我在那裡的時候是什麼樣子的 我是一個新當選的人。

  • senator but Vice President Gore had lost and coming back when President Obama was

    但副總統戈爾已經失去了,回來的時候奧巴馬總統。

  • inaugurated there were so many memories running through you know my mind and I

    在就職典禮上,有這麼多的回憶 通過你知道我的腦海裡運行,我

  • did not know what to expect and I write in the book about how really strange it

    我不知道會發生什麼,我在書中寫了如何真正的奇怪的它

  • was to sit there and to listen to the kind of speech that was so divisive the

    是坐在那裡,聽著那種演講 這是如此的分裂的。

  • rhetoric was hot I call it a cry from the white nationalist gut instead of

    言論很熱,我把它叫做白種人的腸胃的吶喊,而不是。

  • taking the moment to say you know what I want to reach out and be the president

    趁著這個時機說你知道嗎 我想伸出手來做總統。

  • for everybody you know he didn't win the popular vote he squeaked through in the

    大家都知道,他沒有贏得民選票 他只是在選舉中僥倖過關。

  • electoral college he had a chance to really begin to fill the role and that

    他有機會真正開始扮演這個角色,而這也是他在選舉團中的角色。

  • didn't happen that day I talked about American carnage when you were saying

    沒有發生那天,我談到美國的屠殺,當你在說

  • the steps you write in the book that you were wishing you were anywhere else but

    你寫在書中的步驟 你希望你在任何地方,但。

  • there anywhere else Bali maybe you know anywhere else

    巴厘島還有其他地方嗎? 也許你知道其他地方

  • gret not going to Bali no I look I am afflicted with the responsibility gene I

    我不去巴厘島了,我看我是受了責任基因的影響,我

  • did the right thing I knew I had to go but I have to quickly add that the next

    我做了正確的事情,我知道我必須去,但我必須快速補充說,下一個。

  • day was great you know the women's March filled with enthusiasm and nearly 5

    一天是偉大的你知道婦女的三月充滿了熱情和近5個。

  • million people biggest ever in our history it really lifted my spirits you

    我們歷史上最大規模的百萬人口 真的讓我精神一振,你

  • also write in the book that George W Bush reportedly said after after the

    還在書中寫道,據報道,喬治-W-布什說,在後。

  • inauguration that was some weird shit yes and I told I said I couldn't have

    就職典禮,這是一些奇怪的狗屎 是的,我告訴我說,我不能有。

  • agreed more you agree with that sense right I do it was so strange I mean we

    同意更多的你同意這種感覺對吧 我做的是如此奇怪,我的意思是我們

  • reveal your sourcing on that is she sitting across from me right now well no

    告訴我你的來源,她現在坐在我對面嗎? 沒有

  • I phrased it very delicately you know it was I went to the lunch afterwards I

    我的措辭很巧妙,你知道的,那是我去吃了午餐後的事。

  • mean I did everything that you're supposed to do I went to the lunch you

    我是說我做了你該做的一切 我去參加了你的午餐會

  • also said you defend a lot of time on the platform avoiding eye contact with

    還說你在平臺上辯護了很多時間,避免與眼睛的接觸

  • people who had been cruel to you yeah well that terrible thing yes I mean I I

    那些對你殘忍的人 是啊,那可怕的事情是的,我的意思是,我,我

  • was obviously aware that there were a lot of people there who had said

    很顯然,他知道那裡有很多人說過

  • terrible things about me you know I could hear some Locker up chants in the

    你知道我可以聽到一些 洛克人的讚美聲在這裡。

  • distance and then on the way out I ran into one of the you know people in the

    然後在出去的路上,我遇到了一個你知道的人在這裡。

  • Congress who've been pursuing me I didn't recognize him to be and you

    追求我的國會,我沒認出他是誰,而你呢?

  • thought jason Chaffetz was right yes I was leaving the platform and you know

    我覺得Jason Chaffetz是對的 是的,我正要離開平臺,你知道的。

  • this gentleman stuck out his hand and you know I greeted him and I thought it

    這位先生伸出他的手,你知道我向他打招呼,我認為它

  • was Reince Priebus he tweeted out a photo in fact and he said I want to get

    是Reince Priebus,他在推特上發了一張照片,其實他說我想得到。

  • it right tweeted out a picture saying so please she is not the president yeah and

    它的權利推特了一張圖片說,所以請她是不是總統是啊,並

  • I said I would have liked to have said yeah and I thought you were Reince

    我說我本來想說是的,我還以為你是林斯呢。

  • Priebus but anyway it you cover wannabe job there I did call him I want to be

    普里巴斯,但無論如何,它你覆蓋崇拜者的工作有我沒有打電話給他,我想成為。

  • famous fan I am a huge limb is fan who isn't that a thing that's ever seen it

    著名的粉絲我是一個巨大的肢體是風扇誰不是一個東西,曾經看到過它。

  • or heard the music does that happen to you a lot I mean people coming up to you

    或聽到的音樂 你經常發生這種情況 我的意思是,人們走到你身邊

  • who have said terrible things about you not to your face and then being very

    誰說了可怕的事情你不給你的臉,然後很是

  • friendly to your face I mean after the luncheon a congressman came up to you

    我的意思是說,在午餐會後,一個國會議員向你走了過來

  • that's right who had called you I think the Antichrist did called me the

    對了,誰叫你來的? 我想是反基督者叫我來的。

  • Antichrist and came up to introduce his wife to me I'd never met him before he's

    反基督者,上來給我介紹他的妻子 我從來沒有見過他,他是... ...

  • now our interior secretary as I write in the book and he could not have been

    現在是我們的內政部長,因為我在書中寫道,他不可能是。

  • nicer in coming up to say hello wanting to greet me and I said well you know

    更好地走過來打招呼 想問候我,我說,好吧,你知道的。

  • congressman I'm not the Antichrist and he immediately backpedaled and oh my

    國會議員,我不是敵基督, 他立即反駁,哦,我的。

  • goodness and and his wife could not have been nicer but I make the point that

    善良和他的妻子不能再好了,但我提出的觀點是

  • when you are subjected to the kind of abuse that we see much too much of in

    當你受到那種虐待的時候,我們看到了太多的虐待。

  • our politics right now both in person and online and people feel very free

    我們的政治現在在人和網上,人們感到非常自由。

  • anonymously to say terrible things or from a long distance where they don't

    匿名說可怕的事情,或從一個遙遠的地方,他們不知道。

  • have to look you in the eye they don't have to relate to you or try to figure

    他們不必看著你的眼睛,他們不需要和你聯繫,也不需要試圖去了解你的想法

  • out you know where you stand on something why you believe what you

    你知道你對某件事情的立場,為什麼你相信你的觀點。

  • believe and it's a real loss it's a loss I mean this hyper partisanship and this

    相信,這是一個真正的損失,這是一個損失,我的意思是,這種過度的黨派主義和這種。

  • negativity that I think has been really inflamed by the internet I've given a

    負面情緒,我認為已經真正被激化的互聯網,我已經給了一個。

  • lot of thought to it over the last month's you also have a lot of people

    在過去的一個月裡,你也有很多人對它進行了很多思考。

  • since then since inauguration day in the last eight months coming up to you women

    自從就職日以來,在過去的八個月裡,走到你們這些女人的面前

  • coming up to you with their daughters and saying my daughter didn't go out to

    帶著他們的女兒來找你,說我女兒沒有出去。

  • vote and sort of wanting absolution from right

    投票,也算是想從右派中得到寬恕吧

  • that happened to me what's more common are people bursting into tears welling

    我也有過這樣的經歷 更常見的是人們淚流滿面

  • up I had a lot of that at my book signing yesterday here do you give

    我昨天籤售會上有很多這樣的事,你能給我嗎?

  • absolution to those who didn't vote to women who didn't know I don't I look I

    赦免那些沒有投票的人 那些不知道的女人 我不知道 我看我

  • when it first started happening it was so soon after the election and the

    當它第一次開始發生 它是如此之快後,選舉和the

  • election was so bizarre and close it was hard for me to

    選舉是如此的詭異和接近,這是很難讓我。

  • you know comfort somebody who was coming to me and saying oh I wish I'd done more

    你知道安慰別人誰是來找我,說哦,我希望我做了更多。

  • or I'm sorry I didn't vote because I think this was one of the most

    或者我很抱歉我沒有投票,因為我認為這是一個最

  • consequential elections that you know we have faced in a long time so no

    你知道我們在很長一段時間內都面臨著重要的選舉,所以不

  • absolution but of course you know I just hope people will take what happened this

    赦免,但當然,你知道,我只是希望人們能接受這次發生的事情。

  • time seriously and be ready and willing to vote the next time it seems like

    認真對待時間,並準備好並願意在下次投票時投票,這似乎是對的

  • you've been doing a lot of yoga alternate nostril breathing well I tried

    你一直在做很多瑜伽交替鼻孔呼吸 我試過了

  • that page 27 in your book you talked about alternate nostril breathing yes

    在你的書中的第27頁 你談到了交替的鼻孔呼吸 是的。

  • what is that and dare you give me a demonstration well I would highly

    那是什麼,你敢給我演示一下嗎?

  • recommend it you know I mean you're supposed to shut

    推薦它,你知道,我的意思是,你應該關閉。

  • your eyes I don't want to shut your eyes up my eyes on you know on national

    你的眼睛,我不想關閉你的眼睛了 我的眼睛,你知道在全國範圍內的

  • television but you know you do hold and you breathe through one and you hold it

    但你知道你做持有和呼吸通過一個和你持有它的呼吸

  • and then you exhale through the other and you keep going

    然後你通過另一個呼氣,你繼續前進。

  • I can only say based on my personal experience that if you're sitting

    根據我的個人經驗,我只能說,如果你坐在

  • cross-legged on the yoga mat and you're doing it and you're really trying to

    交叉腿在瑜伽墊上,你這樣做,你真的很想。

  • inhale and hold it and then have a long exhale it is very relaxing so I don't if

    吸氣,並保持它,然後有一個長長的呼氣 它是非常放鬆,所以我不,如果。

  • you can do it in the middle of hurricane coverage but maybe some other moments

    你可以做到這一點,在颶風覆蓋的中間,但也許一些其他的時刻。

  • you can try it I found it quite helpful I want to talk to you about Jim coming

    你可以試試,我覺得挺有用的 我想跟你談談吉姆來的事。

  • when when Comey said that he was reopening the investigation you believe

    當科米說他要重啟調查的時候,你就相信了

  • that is the day that effectively your campaign was over well that you lost I

    那是一天,有效地你的運動結束了 好,你失去了,我

  • believe based on a lot of evidence and a lot of assessments by other good

    根據大量的證據和其他優秀的評估,相信...。

  • analysts Nate Silver being one that yes that was the determinate of day because

    分析師內特-西爾弗是一個,是的,這是決定性的一天,因為。

  • it stopped my momentum I don't blame voters for wondering what the heck was

    它阻止了我的動力 我不責怪選民想知道什麼是地獄的

  • going on you have the FBI director saying what he said and it was a you

    你有聯邦調查局局長說什麼,他說,這是一個你。

  • know terrible time to try to break through the last days of a campaign when

    知道可怕的時間,試圖突破競選的最後一天,當。

  • you had this hanging over my head and it wasn't really lifted until the Sunday

    你讓我頭懸梁錐刺股,直到週日才真正解除。

  • before the election and you had people early voting believing that oh my gosh

    在選舉前,你有人們提前投票 相信,哦,我的天哪

  • there really is something here I knew there wasn't and I

    這裡真的有一些東西,我知道沒有,我。

  • that it was hard to understand why he didn't just call me and others up and

    很難理解為什麼他不直接把我和其他人叫來,然後...

  • say hey can we look at this you feel you had been making progress winning back

    說嘿,我們可以看看這個你覺得你一直在進步贏回

  • white women voters I believe well I'll give you one quick

    白人女性選民,我相信,好吧,我給你一個快速的

  • example that I write about not my polling but other polling I was leading

    例如,我寫的不是我的民調,而是我領先的其他民調。

  • about 25 26 points in the Philadelphia suburbs that could not have happened if

    費城郊區約25 26個點,而這是不可能發生的,如果。

  • I hadn't had a lot of women and a lot of Republican women independent women

    我沒有很多女人,也沒有很多共和黨的女人獨立的女人

  • saying that they were going to vote for me telling pollsters that I won those

    說他們要投我的票 告訴民調人員我贏了這些錢

  • suburbs by 13 points that's a huge loss and I needed to win by probably about

    郊區13分,這是一個巨大的損失,我需要贏得可能約。

  • eighteen to counterbalance what happens in the rest of the state which is

    十八歲,以抵消國家其他地方發生的事情,這就是所謂的 "十八歲"。

  • something that we all knew going in but you know I talk about this in the book

    一些我們都知道的事情,但你知道我在書中談到了這一點。

  • because I do want to answer questions that people might have but what I think

    因為我確實想回答人們可能會有的問題,但我認為...。

  • is important is to really take a candid hard look about you know what the

    重要的是,真正採取坦率的努力看看你知道什麼是

  • factors were I hope nobody ever faces what I faced with respect to that but

    因素是我希望沒有人面對我所面對的事情,但是

  • whoever runs again probably starting in 2018 will face Russian interference may

    無論誰再競選可能從2018年開始都將面臨俄羅斯的干預可能。

  • face coordination between opposition campaigns and Russians will face voter

    面對反對派競選活動之間的協調,俄羅斯人將面臨選民。

  • suppression will face endemic sexism and misogyny and part of why I wrote this

    壓制將面臨普遍的性別歧視和厭女症,這也是我寫這篇文章的部分原因。

  • book was not only to come to grips with what I think happened but to send up

    這本書不僅是為了瞭解我認為發生的事情,而且是為了寄託了

  • some you know alarm signals so that others can say hey wait a minute these

    一些你知道的報警信號,以便其他人可以說 嘿,等一下,這些

  • factors could affect anybody and eventually Republicans could be affected

    的因素可能會影響任何人,最終共和黨人可能會受到影響。

  • some of your critics when they hear you talk about misogyny they say they roll

    你的一些批評者 當他們聽到你談論厭女症的時候 他們說他們會滾蛋的

  • their eyes and say look that's that's an excuse

    他們的眼睛說,你看這是一個藉口。

  • that in this day and age we had an african-american president but there's a

    在這個時代,我們有一個非洲裔美國總統,但有一個

  • big difference between what motivates voters on race and what doesn't motivate

    種族動機和非動機之間的巨大差異。

  • voters on gender most people in my position who have run for office

    性別選民 在我這個位置上的大多數人都參加過競選。

  • particularly at the state level for senator governor and certainly my

    特別是在州一級的參議員州長,當然還有我的。

  • experience is running for president you don't like to raise this because you

    競選總統的經驗,你不喜歡提出這個問題,因為你...

  • don't want people to think hey you know you're making excuses but I decided to

    不想讓人們認為,嘿,你知道你在找藉口,但我決定。

  • raise it I write a whole chapter about it because I think if we don't confront

    我寫了整整一章,因為我覺得如果我們不面對它

  • it especially given the words and actions of our current

    特別是考慮到我們現在的言行

  • president it could be a big backlash that will undermine a lot of young women

    總統,它可能是一個很大的反彈,將破壞很多年輕女性的。

  • and their own futures and now we know it's not just in politics it's in

    和他們自己的未來,現在我們知道這不僅僅是在政治上,它是在。

  • Silicon Valley it's in businesses evolved Sheryl Sandberg good yes you

    硅谷它是在企業中發展起來的謝麗爾-桑德伯格好的是你

  • believe that there's a double standard that women who when when you were

    相信,有一個雙重標準,女性誰當你是

  • Secretary of State and you were seen as working for somebody else's interests

    國務卿,你被認為是在為別人的利益工作

  • the United States interests you were very popular poll showed you were not

    你是美國的利益,你很受歡迎 民調顯示你不是

  • 69% at the end of my tenure but that when you were seen as working for

    69%,在我任期結束時,但當你被認為是在為之工作時

  • yourself as a candidate mm-hm there's a different viewpoint and

    你作為一個候選人mm-hm有一個不同的觀點和

  • Anderson it's not just what I believe as you mentioned Sheryl Sandberg who's just

    安德森,這不僅僅是我相信,你提到的謝麗爾-桑德伯格,她只是。

  • delved into all the research that we possibly have about these issues when a

    深入研究了我們可能擁有的關於這些問題的所有研究,當一個。

  • man is professionally successful he is seen as more likeable as a woman becomes

    男人在事業上的成功,他被視為更可愛的女人,因為一個女人變得

  • more professionally successful she is seen as less likeable as you point out

    如你所言,她在事業上更成功,但她卻不那麼可愛了

  • when a woman advocates for someone else in my position as Secretary of State for

    當一個女人在我作為國務祕書的職位上為別人辯護時

  • my country for the president I was serving you know people can really like

    我的國家為總統,我服務 你知道人們可以真正喜歡

  • you like the job you're doing I'm the exact same person and then all of a

    你喜歡你的工作,我也是一樣的人,然後突然之間

  • sudden I step into the arena it's true even with something as mundane as if a

    忽然間,我走進了競技場,這是真的,即使是一些平凡的東西,如果一個

  • woman goes to the to her employer and advocates a raise for someone else she's

    婦人向僱主提出加薪的要求,她的僱主也是如此。

  • seen as a great team player leadership and all the rest if she goes and

    被認為是一個偉大的團隊成員的領導力和所有其他的,如果她去和。

  • advocates for herself it counts against her whereas if a man goes and advocates

    而如果一個男人去為自己辯護,則對她不利。

  • for himself hey you know the guy's got guts he's

    為自己,你知道這傢伙有膽量的,他是

  • willing to step up and ask for what he wants you said about Jim Comey that he

    願意站出來問他要什麼 你說的吉姆-科米,他

  • shaved you yeah which is a very I mean that's a strong word it is a strongly

    剃光你的頭髮,這是一個非常 我的意思是,這是一個強烈的詞,這是一個強烈的。

  • and it also implies that this was a personal or that he was trying to get

    這也意味著這是一個個人或他試圖獲得

  • you he's never been clear about his motivation and what bothered me the most

    他一直不清楚自己的動機,也是最讓我困擾的地方。

  • as the time went on after the election is and we learned more about the open

    隨著時間的推移,選舉後,我們瞭解了更多關於開放的。

  • FBI investigation into the Trump campaign and their connections with

    FBI調查特朗普競選活動及其與。

  • Russia that had been going on for quite some time the American people didn't

    俄羅斯,已經持續了相當長的時間,美國人民沒有。

  • know about it he was specifically asked why didn't you tell the American

    他被特別問到,你為什麼不告訴美國人?

  • people about that investigation and he said well because it was too close to an

    人們對該調查,他說,好吧,因為它是太接近一個。

  • election so ask yourself a closed investigation that ended the prior July

    選舉,所以問自己一個封閉的調查,結束了前7月

  • an ongoing investigation into the Trump campaign and Russia one deserves to be

    正在進行的調查到特朗普競選和俄羅斯一個值得被

  • blown out of all proportion nothing to be found one more time and the American

    轟轟烈烈,一發不可收拾,美國佬

  • people don't have the information that there's a legitimate investigation going

    人們不知道有一個合法的調查正在進行中

  • on about Trump and Russia before they vote do you think it is personal I have

    在特朗普和俄羅斯之前,他們投票 你認為這是個人的,我有。

  • no idea I can't sit here and tell you I know that there had to be some pressure

    我不知道我不能坐在這裡告訴你 我知道一定有一些壓力。

  • on him because Rudy Giuliani announced two days before that letter came out

    因為魯迪-朱利安尼在信發出前兩天宣佈

  • that something big was coming in two days and people have speculated was he

    這兩天有大事要發生,大家紛紛猜測是不是他的原因

  • under pressure from Giuliani and others within the FBI or the broader

    在朱利安尼和其他聯邦調查局內部或更廣泛的壓力下。

  • law-enforcement community I don't speculate on it I just talked

    執法界我不推測,我只是說說而已

  • about how really hard to understand it was and the impact that it had one of

    關於如何真的很難理解,它是和影響,它有一個。

  • the things though that director Comey gave for that press conference in July

    不過科米局長在7月的記者招待會上所做的事情。

  • was the meeting that your husband had on the tarmac with the Attorney General

    是你丈夫在停機坪上與總檢察長的會面。

  • attorney general Lynch you write about it in the book but what you don't

    林奇檢察長,你在書中寫了,但你沒有

  • mention in the book is what you said to your husband when you heard about that

    書中提到的是你聽到那件事時對你丈夫說的話

  • meeting I didn't hear about it for days because it was so inconsequential to

    我好幾天都沒有聽到它的消息,因為它是如此的無足輕重,對。

  • both of them and then when I heard about it I didn't really think much of it and

    他們兩個人,然後當我聽到這個消息的時候,我並沒有多想,而且。

  • I think this was a rationalization that was used for being able to do what he

    我想這是一種合理化的說法,是為了能夠做他的事情。

  • did but you know what's important to me going forward is as I say I think it's

    但你知道什麼是重要的 對我來說,未來是我說,我認為這是

  • important to focus on what happened because lessons can be learned but the

    重要的是要把重點放在所發生的事情上,因為可以吸取經驗教訓,但也要把注意力集中在所發生的事情上。

  • more important lessons that will affect our democracy going forward or not about

    更重要的教訓,將影響到我們的民主前進或不關於。

  • him and his investigation he I think forever changed history but that's in

    他和他的調查,他我認為永遠改變了歷史,但這是在。

  • the past what's important is the fact that the Russians are still going at us

    重要的是俄國人還在向我們進攻。

  • he himself admitted that before Congress people I really respect like Jim clapper

    他自己也承認,在國會之前,我真正尊重的人,如吉姆-克雷珀。

  • and John Brennan and others who knew what the Russians were doing have been

    和約翰-布倫南以及其他知道俄羅斯人在做什麼的人都被抓了起來

  • sounding the alarm I will tell you this Anderson if

    敲響了警鐘,我會告訴你,安德森,如果。

  • I had been elected president under the same circumstances so that you know I

    我也是在同樣的情況下被選為總統的,所以你知道我...

  • lost the popular vote I squeaked through the electoral college and evidence came

    我在選舉團中僥倖過關 證據也出來了。

  • up that the Russians for whatever reason were trying to help me I would have said

    如果說俄國人出於某種原因想幫我,我就會說

  • on the first day in office we're gonna launch the most thorough investigation

    上任第一天我們就會展開最徹底的調查。

  • no nation particularly an adversary nation can mess with our democracy I

    沒有任何國家,特別是敵對國家可以搞亂我們的民主,我

  • would have had an independent commission I would have done everything I could to

    如果有一個獨立的委員會,我會盡我所能,以

  • get to the bottom of it because it's not going to stop that's what I'm worried

    刨根問底,因為它不會停止 這就是我所擔心的。

  • about in the USA today when asked about collusion between the Trump campaign and

    關於在美國今天被問及特朗普競選活動和之間的勾結。

  • Russia you said quote I'm convinced of it so I just want to be clear you're

    俄羅斯你說的報價我深信不疑,所以我只想明確你是。

  • convinced there was collusion well let me say if I'm convinced there was

    確信有串通好讓我說,如果我相信有

  • communication I'm convinced there were meetings and phone calls I'm convinced

    溝通,我相信有會議和電話,我相信。

  • that there were financial entanglements let's let's wait to see what it's called

    有經濟上的糾葛,讓我們拭目以待吧

  • I'm convinced that there was something going on and let's put that though let's

    我相信,有什麼事情發生了,讓我們把,雖然讓我們

  • put the investigation to one side because indeed I have a lot of

    把調查放在一邊,因為我確實有很多的。

  • confidence in the Special Counsel I don't know what he's going to end up

    我不知道他最後會有什麼結果。

  • with he's a very honorable man if there's nothing there there's nothing

    他是一個非常值得尊敬的人,如果沒有任何東西,沒有任何東西

  • there if there is I think he'll tell us put that to one side because that's

    有,如果有,我想他會告訴我們把它放到一邊,因為那是。

  • ongoing it almost doesn't matter our president whoever our president is

    正在進行中 我們的總統幾乎是無所謂的 不管我們的總統是誰?

  • should be defending our country and should be standing up and saying nobody

    應該捍衛我們的國家,應該站起來說,沒有人。

  • messes with America we are not going to tolerate that we don't hear any of that

    我們不會容忍我們不聽到任何的美國

  • coming from the White House because of Russia's role do you think there should

    因為俄羅斯的角色而從白宮傳出的消息,你認為應該有。

  • be an asterisk next to President Trump's name in the history books look I don't

    在歷史書上特朗普總統的名字旁邊打上星號,看我不。

  • know we don't know we don't have all the facts yet what I believe we now know

    我們知道我們不知道 我們還沒有掌握所有的事實 我相信我們現在知道的東西

  • they paid for facebook ads and those were disseminated broadly we know that

    他們支付的Facebook廣告和那些被傳播廣泛我們知道,

  • they had access to targeting and data information from somewhere maybe

    他們可以從某個地方獲得目標和數據資訊,也許。

  • internally maybe helped externally we know that they had Russians pretending

    對內也許有幫助 對外我們知道他們有俄羅斯人假裝

  • to be Americans who were online and in-person trying to foment negative

    是美國人誰在網上和親自試圖煽動負面的

  • stories about me and positive ones about Trump we know there was a huge amount of

    關於我的故事和關於特朗普的積極故事,我們知道有大量的。

  • content being produced in places like Macedonia we know that WikiLeaks which

    內容正在生產的地方像馬其頓 我們知道,維基解密,這

  • is basically a front now for Putin was more than

    現在基本上是一個幌子普京是比

  • willing to publish stolen emails from the DNC from John Podesta and that then

    願意公佈偷來的電子郵件從DNC從約翰-波德斯塔和,然後

  • those emails were weaponized with ridiculous absurd untrue stories being

    這些電子郵件被武器化 與荒謬的荒謬的不真實的故事被

  • churned out on and on so there's a lot we know already your fuck you follow

    喋喋不休,所以有很多我們已經知道了你的他媽的你跟隨

  • this extremely closely what I started following this back in the summer of

    這極其密切我開始關注這個早在夏天的

  • 2016 because there was something going on when the DNC hack happened you know

    2016年,因為DNC黑客事件發生的時候,有一些事情發生,你知道嗎?

  • we had a huge political crisis when Republicans physically broke in to the

    我們有一個巨大的政治危機 當共和黨人的身體闖入了

  • Democratic Party's records back in the so-called watergate years this is a

    民主黨在所謂的水門事件年代的記錄 這是一個。

  • different kind of theft and it's do you think this is bigger than Watergate I

    這是不同的盜竊行為,你認為這比水門事件更嚴重嗎?

  • think it's probably bigger than Watergate because it is about the future

    我想這可能比水門事件更重要,因為它關係到未來的發展

  • you know we no longer are worried about you know spies and provocateurs with you

    你知道我們不再擔心 你知道間諜和挑釁者與你在一起

  • know dressed in black with gloves breaking into a an office and stealing

    穿著黑衣戴著手套的人闖進辦公室偷東西。

  • information they do it sitting in the offices of the Russian you know military

    他們坐在俄羅斯的辦公室裡做的情報 你知道的,軍事部門

  • intelligence and other related venues and they get into what is the core of

    情報和其他相關場所,他們進入的核心是什麼?

  • our life now through the computer network as you know though Republicans

    我們現在的生活是通過電腦網絡進行的,你知道雖然共和黨人

  • will say no vote was ever changed this did not affect the outcome well I would

    會說,沒有投票曾經改變 這並不影響結果 好吧,我將

  • say two things this was a highly sophisticated influence operation I

    我要說兩件事 這是個非常複雜的影響力行動

  • believe it did affect people's votes you think it cost you votes I think it cost

    相信確實影響了人們的選票 你認為影響了你的選票 我認為影響了你的選票。

  • me votes the fact that those emails were were don't those were they well and that

    我投票的事實,這些電子郵件是被不那些是他們好,那。

  • they were were weaponized so in the book I write about how if you go look at

    他們是... ...是武器化的,所以在書中我寫道,如果你去看看如何...

  • Google searches particularly in some of the battleground states during October

    谷歌搜索,特別是在10月份的一些戰場州。

  • and you listen to Trump's speeches where he mentioned WikiLeaks I think 160 times

    你聽特朗普的演講 他在那裡提到維基解密 我想160次。

  • they clearly knew that stories that were making stuff up trying to use the emails

    他們清楚地知道,故事是編造的東西 試圖使用的電子郵件

  • were permeating Facebook and other sites the worst of them was this pizza gate

    被滲透到Facebook和其他網站 最糟糕的是這個比薩門。

  • story where honest to goodness out of whole cloth made up they took the word

    誠實的故事,在那裡誠信的整塊布,他們採取了字的。

  • pizza out of one of John Podesta Z mails and

    披薩出一個約翰-波德斯塔Z郵件和

  • that he and I were running a child trafficking ring in a poor little pizza

    他和我在一個可憐的小比薩餅店裡經營著一個販賣兒童的團伙。

  • parlor in Washington it sounds absurd millions of people were

    在華盛頓的會客室,這聽起來很荒唐,數百萬人被

  • exposed to that the horrible hit job total lies about the Clinton Foundation

    暴露了可怕的打工作總謊言關於克林頓基金會。

  • people were affected by that because we could see that the wikileaks searches in

    的人受到影響,因為我們可以看到,在維基解密搜索。

  • a lot of places that were historically kind of swing counties were really

    很多地方是歷史上那種搖擺縣 真的是

  • rising i think the influence did affect individual voters what we don't know yet

    我認為影響確實影響了個別選民,但我們還不知道的是

  • and we are only beginning to get evidence of is why were the russians

    我們只是開始得到的證據 是為什麼俄羅斯人

  • intruding into our voter registration rolls but do you think this Russian

    侵入我們的選民登記冊,但你認為這個俄羅斯人。

  • interference was not enough to have cost the election if director Comey hadn't

    干涉不足以使選舉失敗,如果主任科米沒有。

  • reopened that investigation that's what I believe I believe though it became a

    重啟調查,這就是我所相信的,我相信雖然它成為一個

  • perfect storm reopening it which caused people once again to be obsessed with

    完美風暴的重新開啟,讓人們再一次迷戀上了

  • emails and then Podesta's emails being used to drive all this negative story

    電子郵件,然後波德斯塔的電子郵件 被用來推動所有這一切負面的故事。

  • about me I think it came together to really kind of make some people queasy

    關於我,我認為它走到一起真的有點讓一些人感到不安

  • like oh my gosh what if she goes to jail I heard that so many times I've talked

    就像哦,我的天哪,如果她進了監獄,我聽說過很多次,我已經說過了。

  • to reporters who were out there covering the campaign to the very end and people

    到記者誰在那裡報道 競選到最後和人民

  • would say things like you know I like her and I think she's done a good job

    會說這樣的事情,你知道我喜歡她,我覺得她做得很好。

  • but what if she's in jail and you know I knew that that was happening but I

    但是,如果她在監獄裡,你知道,我知道,這是發生,但我

  • thought we would ride it out I want to ask you about the second debate

    我想問你關於第二場辯論會的情況。

  • yeah which took place two days and you were there and I want to thank you I

    是的,這發生了兩天,你在那裡,我想感謝你,我。

  • want to thank you Anderson I'm hard on the press as you know from reading the

    謝謝你,安德森,我對媒體很苛刻,你看了我的文章就知道了

  • book in many ways but a couple of people come in for you know good descriptions

    書在很多方面,但有幾個人進來你知道好的描述。

  • and praise and I thought the way you started that debate what you said in the

    和讚美,我認為你開始辯論的方式 你說什麼在。

  • beginning needed to be said and I I really appreciated that well what you're

    開始需要說,我我真的很欣賞,以及你是什麼。

  • referencing is is my first question to President Trump which was you know

    參考是我對特朗普總統的第一個問題,這是你知道的。

  • describing what he had talked about he described as lack or inventor and I said

    形容他所談的他形容為缺乏或發明家,我說。

  • that is sexual assault or do you do you understand that we wrestled as a

    這是性侵犯或你 你明白,我們摔跤作為一個

  • co-moderator we wrestled with how to handle the access hollywood tape i'm

    共同主持人,我們掙扎著如何處理訪問好萊塢錄像帶,我是。

  • wondering when the access hollywood tape came out two days before this debate did

    想知道當訪問好萊塢錄像帶出來兩天前,這場辯論沒有

  • you wrestle with what to say about it well first of all we were shocked and

    你掙扎著該怎麼說呢 首先,我們很震驚,而且...

  • and we were you know totally surprised that something like that

    我們是你知道完全 驚訝的事情,這樣的事情,

  • existed and that had come out and we did wrestle with it because we wanted to let

    存在,並且已經出來了,我們確實與它搏鬥,因為我們想讓。

  • people see it we didn't want to get in the way of people being able to draw

    人們看到它,我們不想妨礙人們能夠畫畫。

  • their own conclusions but we also you know wanted to you know reference it

    他們自己的結論,但我們也你知道想 你知道參考它

  • because I found it very troubling both personally and politically do you

    因為我發現它非常麻煩 無論是個人還是政治上的你

  • understand women who voted for Donald Trump as president even though they

    理解那些投票給唐納德-特朗普當總統的女性,即使她們

  • heard what he said on the accident do you respect women who voted for Donald

    聽到他說的事故 你尊重投給唐納德的女人嗎?

  • Trump after the accident here's what I would say about that I think what

    特朗普在事故發生後,我想說的是,我想說的是。

  • happened after that tape which was wall-to-wall coverage certainly affected

    在那盤錄像帶之後發生的事情,這是牆壁到牆壁的覆蓋面肯定會影響到。

  • a lot of people and I think a lot of women were very concerned about that and

    很多人,我想很多婦女都很關心這個問題,而且。

  • I knew that it would be tough to I won women I won all women but I lost white

    我知道這將是艱難的,我贏得了女人,我贏得了所有的女人,但我失去了白種人

  • women and I knew that would be tough but I ended up actually getting more white

    女人,我知道這將是艱難的,但我最終實際上得到更多的白色

  • women's votes than President Obama had in 2012 so this is not just a problem

    婦女的選票比奧巴馬總統在2012年的選票多,所以這不僅僅是一個問題。

  • for me this was a longer term Democratic nominee problem so I knew I was going to

    對我來說,這是一個長期的民主黨提名人的問題,所以我知道我將要

  • have to work hard on it and when that happened and the way really it was a

    必須努力工作就可以了,當發生和方式真的是一個。

  • horrific two to three days story and then it sort of dropped because remember

    可怕的兩三天的故事,然後它有點下降,因為記得。

  • within an hour of that tape going public release WikiLeaks dropped John Podesta Z

    在一個小時內的錄音帶去公開發布 維基解密下降約翰-波德斯塔Z

  • mails I struggled with that I thought why would somebody find what largely I

    郵件,我掙扎著,我想為什麼會有人發現什麼主要是我。

  • think could be described as boring anodyne emails more significant than

    認為可以說是無聊的無厘頭郵件,其意義比

  • words coming out of trumps mouth also at that debate there was there it was the

    話從特朗普斯嘴裡說出來也在那場辯論有有它是。

  • most tense room I've ever been in for the first 30 minutes certainly at the

    最緊張的房間,我曾經在前30分鐘 當然,在這裡。

  • debate you didn't shake hands with each other and there was the physicality of

    辯論中,你沒有和對方握手,有身體的。

  • Donald Trump walking around the stage I'm just wondering what was going

    唐納德-特朗普在舞臺上走來走去,我只是想知道發生了什麼。

  • through your mind at that point well as I write you know I prepared for him to

    通過你的頭腦,在這一點上,以及我寫你知道我準備了他的

  • try to use his size and his presence to intimidate me as I was walking out to

    試圖利用他的體型和他的存在來恐嚇我,當我走出去的時候。

  • get on the debate that's something you would actually press I had practiced and

    得到的辯論,這是你實際上會按 我已經練習和。

  • you know one of the members of my team said

    你知道我的一個團隊成員說過

  • remember he's trying to get inside your head I said yeah you think because I

    記得他想進入你的大腦 我說是的,你認為,因為我... ...

  • knew that the best way he could respond given what that tape showed was to try

    他知道,鑑於錄像帶顯示的內容,他最好的迴應方式就是嘗試一下。

  • to assert you know the the the alpha male

    聲稱你知道男主角的身份

  • it's just locker room talk stuff so we we practiced that and I concluded after

    它只是更衣室談話的東西 所以我們我們練習,我總結後

  • practicing it that I needed to just remain calm and composed because if I

    練習它,我需要只是保持冷靜和沉著,因為如果我。

  • said anything that acknowledged it I was afraid that it would look like I

    說任何承認它的東西,我怕它看起來像我

  • couldn't take it that I wasn't you know really tough enough that this guy was

    不能把它,我是不是你知道真正的強硬不夠,這傢伙是

  • looming over me I should just be able to proceed that's what I did

    在我面前,我應該可以繼續下去,這就是我所做的事情。

  • in retrospect in writing the book I thought you know because my head was

    現在回想起來,在寫這本書的時候,我以為你知道,因為我的頭是

  • like running all through the debate like this is really discomforting this is

    像運行所有的辯論這樣的 這真的是令人不舒服這是

  • weird I've debated other people what he's doing is deliberately meant to

    怪了,我跟別人辯論過他的做法是刻意為之的

  • throw me off maybe I should say something you know I turn around you're

    把我趕走了 也許我應該說點什麼 你知道我轉過身來你是

  • not going to intimidate me back off you creep but I concluded no I wanted to

    不打算嚇唬我退後,你蠕變,但我的結論是,沒有我想

  • remain composed you know it was judged I was attracting for you it was obviously

    保持鎮定,你知道這是判斷我在為你吸引,這顯然是。

  • you weren't looking at him no did you see him out of the corner your eyes you

    你不是在看他,不是,你是在眼角看到他的。

  • could I mean you could feel the presence and you know maybe it's a skill that

    我的意思是,你可以感覺到的存在 你知道,也許這是一個技能,

  • women particularly develop because you know we have to be aware of our

    婦女特別是發展,因為你知道我們必須意識到我們的。

  • surroundings I certainly was aware of him and and you know I won the debate

    周圍的環境 我當然知道他的存在 你知道我贏得了辯論

  • according to the analysts and all the rest of that but as I say in the book I

    根據分析師和其他所有的分析,但正如我在書中所說,我。

  • think that what he did and what he tried to do and his insulting me like calling

    認為,他做了什麼,他試圖做什麼 他侮辱我,就像調用。

  • me a nasty woman in the third debate all of that played to his base so both the

    在第三次辯論中,我是一個討厭的女人 所有這一切都發揮了他的基礎,所以這兩個

  • men and women who were in his base in the Republican base

    黨內人士

  • they were rationalizing their support for him all the time it was like well

    他們是合理化 他們的支持他所有的時間 這就像很好的

  • yeah it's probably his locker room oh my gosh you know look the director of the

    是的,這可能是他的更衣室 哦,我的天哪,你知道看導演的。

  • FBI says she may go to jail okay well locker room isn't as bad as that so

    聯邦調查局說她可能會進監獄 好吧,更衣室也沒那麼糟糕,所以

  • there was a constant weighing back and forth and at the end he got 90% of the

    來來回回,最後他拿到了九成的份額。

  • Republican vote I got 90% of the Democratic vote and it was in part

    共和黨的選票我得到了90%的民主黨的選票,這部分原因是

  • because I think a lot of people who voted for him well he won't really be

    因為我認為很多人誰投了他的票 好吧,他不會真的是

  • like that as president and besides we want our tax cuts and we

    像這樣的總統,此外,我們希望我們的減稅,我們。

  • want to make sure that we get a Supreme Court justice so I think there was heavy

    想確保我們得到一個最高法院的法官,所以我認為有沉重的。

  • rationalization going on in that last month you spent a lot of time in the

    在上個月你花了大量的時間在合理化上

  • book talking about how much comfort your husband gave you throughout the campaign

    書上說你丈夫在整個競選過程中給了你多少安慰。

  • and yeah and obvious in the last couple of months you wrote I know some people

    是啊,很明顯,在過去的幾個月裡,你寫道,我知道一些人。

  • wonder why we're still together that we must have an arrangement we do it's

    不知道為什麼我們還在一起 我們一定要有一個安排,我們做的是

  • called a marriage that I helped him become president and then stayed so he

    叫做婚姻,我幫他當上了總統,然後留下來,所以他

  • could help me become president know that we lead completely separate lives and

    可以幫助我成為總統知道我們過著完全不同的生活,而且...

  • it's just a marriage on paper now he's reading over my shoulder in our kitchen

    只是紙上談兵而已 現在他在我們的廚房裡從我的肩膀上看書

  • with our dogs underfoot I wonder why you felt the need to include that in the

    我們的狗在腳下,我不知道為什麼你覺得有必要將這一點包括在

  • book you know I talked about Bill I talked about Chelsea and I talked about

    書中你知道我談到了比爾 我談到了切爾西,我談到了

  • my mother and I talked about my friends because in the book on second in the

    我和我的母親談到了我的朋友,因為在書中的第二在。

  • book I have a chapter called on being a woman in politics where I really do try

    我的書裡有一章叫 "從政的女人",我真的很努力。

  • to take on sexism and misogyny but I also wanted to make it clear first of

    對付性別歧視和厭女症,但我也想首先明確的是

  • all that putting yourself out there in politics in public life can be immensely

    縱使你在政治上和公共生活上都會有很大的影響

  • rewarding but that's not all that's important in life by any means and so I

    但這並不是人生中最重要的事情,所以我...

  • wanted to you really again kind of pull the curtain back and say you know I lost

    想你真的再次種拉開帷幕,說你知道我失去了。

  • a presidential campaign that I thought I was going to win it was devastating but

    一個總統競選,我認為我將贏得它是毀滅性的,但。

  • I have so many blessings in my life starting with my husband and the life we

    我的生活中有很多祝福,從我的丈夫和我們的生活開始。

  • built together you also wrote that during the what you describe as the dark

    你還寫道,在你所描述的黑暗時期,你還寫道,在你所描述的黑暗時期。

  • days of your marriage the two questions you asked herself was do I still love

    在你們結婚的日子裡,你問自己的兩個問題是:我還愛不愛?

  • him and can i still be in this marriage without becoming unrecognizable to

    他和我還能在這個婚姻中 不變得不認識的

  • myself were those easy questions to answer they were really hard questions

    我自己是那些容易回答的問題 他們是真正困難的問題。

  • you know anybody alive in America at that time knows how difficult that

    你知道任何一個當時在美國活著的人都知道那有多難。

  • period was and you know I I really had to struggle and I had a lot of angst you

    期間,你知道,我,我真的不得不掙扎,我有很多的不安,你。

  • know I had to fall back on my faith and my family my friends but I wasn't going

    我知道我必須依靠我的信仰和我的家庭 我的朋友,但我不會...

  • to be making a decision that other people wanted me to make or that public

    做出一個決定,其他人要我做 或者說,公

  • pressure was you know coming in on me I'm gonna make my decision and it was

    壓力是你知道的來在我身上,我要做我的決定,它是。

  • based on those two questions and you know the life we had built together and

    基於這兩個問題,你知道我們一起建立的生活,並。

  • I'm very glad that that's the way I chose to continue my life Chelsea

    我很高興,這是我選擇繼續我的生活的方式切爾西

  • wynton was a surrogate during before you during the campaign Ivanka Trump was a

    溫頓在你競選前是代理律師 伊萬卡-特朗普在競選期間是代理律師。

  • surrogate for for president Trump if you had won with Chelsea Clinton have an

    如果你和切爾西-克林頓一起贏了,你就會成為特朗普總統的代理人。

  • office in the West Wing would she be able to drop in on meetings with

    在西翼的辦公室裡,她是否可以順便與

  • congressional leaders no but it wouldn't even cross her mind she's got a very

    國會領導人沒有,但它甚至不會穿過她的想法,她有一個非常的

  • active life she's written a couple of great books and is it appropriate you

    她寫了幾本很好的書,你是不是應該...

  • know it's up to a president decide who is or is not welcomed in any meeting

    要知道,開會不歡迎誰,是會長的事。

  • that's up to a president and I you know can only speak for myself and the White

    這是一個總統的決定,我 你知道只能代表我自己和白宮說。

  • House has I've been in and the work that I've done and I think there's not enough

    房子有我一直在和我所做的工作,我認為沒有足夠的。

  • expertise and experience yet in the White House right now I think does it

    專業知識和經驗,但在白宮,現在我認為它不

  • concern you that Jared Kushner was somebody you worked as Secretary of

    你擔心賈裡德-庫什納是一個你曾擔任過國務卿的人嗎?

  • State who worked obviously on Middle East peace does it concern that Jared

    國家誰的工作顯然在中東和平 它關注賈裡德。

  • Kushner is seems to be the point person on well it concerns me that the deep

    庫什納是似乎是點的人,以及它關注我,深。

  • well of experience and expertise that our country has to offer our foreign

    經驗和專業知識,我國可以向我們的外國朋友提供。

  • service has to offer that outside experts have to offer is largely being

    服務所能提供的服務,而外部專家所能提供的服務在很大程度上是被。

  • disregarded and you know if you look at what's happening in North Korea we need

    忽視,你知道,如果你看看發生在北韓的事情,我們需要。

  • to have an intensive diplomatic effort that requires people who know the

    要進行密集的外交努力,需要懂行的人。

  • culture know the history know the languages that are involved I don't see

    文化 瞭解歷史 瞭解所涉及的語言 我看不出...

  • that happening and then you can pick anywhere else in the world and draw the

    然後你可以選擇世界上其他任何地方,並畫出你的名字。

  • same conclusion so we are not engaging in statecraft the way we need to it's

    同樣的結論,所以我們並沒有以我們需要的方式參與到國家工程中來,這是

  • not that individuals can't be part of teams who may have different expertise

    並不是說個人不能成為團隊中的一員,因為他們可能有不同的專業知識

  • or perspectives that's fine but teams need to be led by people who understand

    或觀點,這很好,但團隊需要由瞭解的人上司。

  • the history and how we got to where we are in order to make progress in the

    的歷史和我們如何走到今天的位置,以便在

  • book you make no attempt to hide your displeasure about the electoral college

    你毫不掩飾你對選舉團的不滿。

  • and you say on page 386 you say the godforsaken Elektro you mentioned

    你在386頁上說你說的那個被遺棄的Elektro的名字

  • winning the popular vote obviously multiple times in the book yes do you

    在書中多次贏得民選顯然是的,是嗎?

  • think the electoral college should be abolished I said that in 2000 after what

    我認為選舉團應該被廢除 我在2000年說過這句話

  • happened to the 2000 election with Al Gore I was elected to the Senate that

    發生在2000年的選舉與阿爾-戈爾 我當選為參議員,該

  • same year and if you look at our recent history we've had several candidates

    如果你看看我們最近的歷史,我們有幾個候選人

  • nominees who have won the popular vote and lost the electoral college what does

    贏得民選票的提名人和失去選舉團的提名人是怎麼回事

  • that say and it says that an anachronism that was designed for another time no

    說,它說,一個不合時宜的設計,為另一個時代沒有

  • longer works if we've moved toward one-person one-vote that's how we select

    如果我們走向了一人一票的選拔方式,那就不再有效了

  • winners I was amused after the French elections when I was listening to an

    法國大選後,我聽了一個關於法國大選的故事,覺得很有趣。

  • interview with a French electoral expert and he said well unlike your country the

    採訪了一位法國選舉專家,他說,與你們國家不同的是。

  • person who wins the most votes wins so I think it needs to be eliminated I'd like

    得票最多的人贏了,所以我認為需要淘汰 我想...

  • to see us move beyond it yes the you also mentioned in the book that

    看到我們超越了它 是的,你在書中也提到了。

  • after you realize you'd lost you thought about all the locker option

    當你意識到你已經失去了,你想過所有的儲物櫃選項

  • yes and that Donald Trump had said it actually was at the second debate Donald

    是的,唐納德-特朗普曾說,它實際上是在第二次辯論唐納德

  • Trump said he if he was president you would be in jail is that something you

    特朗普說,如果他是總統,你會被關進監獄,這是你的事嗎?

  • seriously worried about well I knew I had no reason to worry about it but I

    嚴重擔心 我知道我沒有理由擔心,但我

  • worried that he might make that effort you can't predict what he might do

    心有餘而力不足

  • that's one of the lessons I think we've seen so far in this presidency but you

    這是一個教訓,我想我們已經看到了 到目前為止,在這個總統任期內,但你

  • know I like so much else I just kind of moved beyond that I got interested in

    我知道我喜歡這麼多其他的東西,我只是有點超越了,我得到了感興趣的

  • cleaning my closets and you know taking long walks in the woods things that

    清理我的衣櫥,你知道的 在樹林裡走了很久的路的事情

  • helped me recover from that loss do you think Donald Trump has moved beyond the

    幫助我從損失中恢復 你認為唐納德-特朗普已經超越了... ...

  • election are you I mean he does talk about you still or not a lot yes he does

    選舉,你是我的意思是,他確實談論你仍然或不是很多,是的,他做到了。

  • talk about me quite a bit I don't know I would think he'd have a lot more

    我不知道,我想他會有更多的談論我。

  • important things to spend his time on he's got you know crises all around the

    他有重要的事情要花時間在他的身上 他有你知道的周圍的危機

  • world to deal with he's got divisive nough sin our country he's got the

    他要對付世界,他要對付我們國家的分裂,他要對付我們國家的分裂。

  • terrible events of Charlottesville and so much else going on that I think he

    夏洛茨維爾可怕的事件和這麼多的其他事情,我認為他的。

  • should be focused on rather than constantly trying to take potshots at me

    而不是不斷地對我進行抨擊。

  • or at President Obama he does that quite often too just a couple quick other

    或在奧巴馬總統,他這樣做,經常太只是一對夫婦快速其他。

  • questions senator Sanders obviously he has a strong voice now and the

    問題參議員桑德斯顯然他現在有一個強大的聲音,而。

  • Democratic Party comes under a lot of criticism from you in the book what

    民主黨在你的書中受到了很多責備,你在書中寫道

  • political sin did he commit other than choosing to run against you well it's

    他犯了什麼政治罪,除了選擇和你對著幹之外,那就是

  • not the political sin he committed it was the failure to move quickly to unify

    不是他犯下的政治罪過 是他沒有迅速統一的行動。

  • the party and his supporters and I know a little bit about this after it was

    黨和他的支持者,我知道一點後,它是。

  • clear that yes it was clear I was going to be the nominee like in March or April

    很清楚,是的,很清楚我將成為被提名人,就像在3月或4月一樣

  • it was beyond any doubt in June and in a way we ran a much closer

    在6月份,這是毫無疑問的,在某種程度上,我們運行一個更接近的。

  • tougher primary contest between President Obama and myself it was really

    奧巴馬總統和我之間更艱難的初選,它是真的。

  • close and I immediately endorsed him and I went to work for him I spent countless

    接近,我立即支持他,我去為他工作 我花了無數的

  • hours Anderson convincing my supporters who felt equally aggrieved that they had

    安德森花了幾個小時說服我的支持者,他們同樣感到委屈,因為他們有

  • to support Barack Obama I was still arguing with big rooms of supporters at

    支持奧巴馬我還在爭論與大房間的支持者在。

  • the Denver convention I didn't get that same you know respect and reciprocity

    丹佛大會上,我沒有得到同樣的 你知道的尊重和互惠

  • from senator Sanders or from his supporters they're still you know

    從參議員桑德斯或從他的支持者 他們仍然是你知道的

  • incredibly divisive and I'm interested in what he can do to help elect

    令人難以置信的分裂,我有興趣的是,他能做什麼,以幫助選舉。

  • Democrats he's not a Democrat he he makes that clear but we need to do

    民主黨人,他不是民主黨人,他他說得很清楚,但我們需要做的是

  • everything possible to win the governorships in New Jersey and Virginia

    千方百計爭取新澤西州和弗吉尼亞州的州長職位。

  • this year and we need to do everything possible to flip the Congress in 2018 he

    今年,我們需要盡一切可能在2018年翻轉國會,他。

  • could be helpful if he so chose and that's what I'm calling on him to do do

    如果他選擇的話,可能會有幫助,這也是我呼籲他做的事情。

  • you think Donald Trump will be a candidate in 2020 well he's already got

    你覺得唐納德-特朗普會成為2020年的候選人嗎? 他已經得到了。

  • a committee open he's raising a lot of money so I think he thinks he will be

    一個委員會的開放,他籌集了很多錢,所以我認為他認為他將是。

  • and we'll have to wait and see what happens to those who hear you they you

    我們將不得不等待,看看會發生什麼 那些誰聽到你,他們的你

  • know hear interviews you've done see the book coming out and think is this really

    知道聽到你做的採訪,看到這本書出來,覺得這是真的嗎?

  • what the Democratic Party needs that there's do that they need fresh

    民主黨需要什麼,有做 他們需要新的。

  • leadership they need new voices they need new people entering the arena and

    他們需要新的聲音,他們需要新的人進入這個舞臺,並且......。

  • that by you being on the stage in such a public way it it hampers that oh I don't

    你在舞臺上以這樣一種公開的方式 它阻礙了 哦,我不知道。

  • buy that at all I think you know from my perspective I have a lot of experience

    我想你知道,從我的角度來看,我有很多經驗。

  • and expertise and insight that I'm sharing with the world and particularly

    和專業知識和見解,我正在與世界分享,特別是

  • with Democrats I've got a new organization called onward together I'm

    我和民主黨人一起成立了一個新的組織,叫 "繼續前進",我是... ...

  • supporting young grassroots groups that have sprung up to recruit candidates

    支持湧現出來的年輕草根團體招募候選人; 2.

  • train them run them fund them I'm going to be supporting candidates so I may be

    訓練他們 運作他們 資助他們 我將支持候選人 所以我可能是

  • out of politics as a candidate but I am still deeply committed to doing anything

    作為候選人退出政壇,但我仍然堅定地致力於做任何事情。

  • I can to make sure that we don't lose ground to this divisive bigotry and bias

    我可以確保我們不會因為這種分裂性的偏執和偏見而失勢

  • and Prejudice and and you know favoring the the wealthy and the well-connected

    和偏見和你知道的偏愛 富人和有關係的人

  • over everybody else that I see as the agenda of this White House

    我認為這是白宮的日程安排

  • General Michael Hayden I have him on my show a lot and you know he has a

    邁克爾-海登將軍,我經常讓他上我的節目,你知道他有一個。

  • lifetime in intelligence work one of the things he talks about is the thin veneer

    他一生從事情報工作,他所講的一件事就是薄情寡義。

  • of civilization and that he is very concerned that it is a very thin veneer

    的文明,而且他非常擔心這只是一層很薄的外衣。

  • that we think our institutions are so solid that our democracy is so secure

    我們認為我們的機構是如此的穩固 我們的民主是如此的安全。

  • that nothing can upset and nothing can wipe away that thin veneer of

    沒有什麼能讓你心煩意亂 沒有什麼能抹去你那層薄薄的外衣。

  • civilization do you worry about that I worry about it all the time I've heard

    你擔心的文明,我一直在擔心,我聽說了

  • Mike Hayden talked to you about that and I know he's written about it and

    邁克-海登跟你說過這個問題,我知道他寫過這個問題,而且... ...

  • it's a very serious sober warning you know civilization in part is the

    這是一個非常嚴重的清醒的警告,你知道文明的一部分是。

  • institutionalization of the rule of law of minority rights of a free press of

    少數民族權利的法治制度化和新聞自由的制度化

  • the kinds of incredible guarantees that we made as a nation from our very

    作為一個國家,我們從一開始就做出了各種不可思議的保證。

  • founding civilization also requires leadership so that when people start

    創立文明也需要領導力,這樣當人們開始

  • engaging in white supremacy talk and they parade as neo-nazis and they are in

    從事白人至上主義的談話,他們遊行作為新納粹主義,他們是在。

  • the Ku Klux Klan and and they are unbridled on the internet with their

    三K黨和他們在互聯網上肆無忌憚地用他們的。

  • racist and sexist and other kinds of insulting comments we need leadership at

    種族主義和性別歧視和其他種類的侮辱性評論,我們需要上司在。

  • the highest levels of our government to say that's not acceptable part of what

    我們政府的最高層說,這是不可接受的部分什麼

  • makes us this dynamic extraordinary country which I'm very optimistic about

    使我們這個充滿活力的非凡的國家,我對它非常樂觀。

  • long-term is our diversity is the fact that we've brought people together from

    長期來看,我們的多樣性是我們把來自世界各地的人們聚集在一起的事實。

  • all over to be part of the American Dream in the American experiment so our

    在美國實驗中成為美國夢的一部分,所以我們的美國夢。

  • civilization which has the attributes of the kind of institutional supports and

    文明的屬性,它具有那種制度支持和

  • democracy and citizenship and voting being absolutely core to that has to be

    民主和公民身份以及投票是其絕對的核心,必須要有民主和公民身份。

  • defended internally and externally and I'm just hoping that more people and

    內外兼修,我只是希望更多的人和。

  • particularly more Republicans will speak up because if we begin to see the

    特別是更多的共和黨人會說出來,因為如果我們開始看到的。

  • erosion of the rule of law and the erosion of our our voting system and so

    法治受到侵蝕,我們的投票制度受到侵蝕,是以,我們必須要有更多的人参與進來。

  • much else that's not going to stop by hurting Democrats for heaven's sakes

    傷害民主黨人,天理難容

  • that hurts our entire country and undermines who we are as Americans so I

    這傷害了我們整個國家,破壞了我們作為美國人的身份,所以我。

  • think that people like Mike Hayden and as many others as possible need to be

    認為像邁克-海登這樣的人以及其他儘可能多的人需要被

  • speaking out and standing up and saying just that Secretary Clinton thanks very

    說出來,站出來,說只是國務卿克林頓非常感謝。

  • much thanks

    多謝

this book isn't airing out of a lot of things but but you come across as less

這本書是不是空氣了很多東西,但但你來作為少

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