declare all the Earth's resources as the common heritage of all the world's people.

宣告所有地球上的資源 為全人類的共同遺產傳承

See, Mark Twain said, "There's not an acre of land on Earth

例如 馬克·吐溫說過:"世界上沒有一寸土地

that belongs to its rightful owners."

是被正當佔有的"

So, over the years, powerful nations took land from others.

多年來強國彼此爭奪土地

This includes the United States, Germany, France; they're all corrupt.

包括美國 德國 法國 它們都是腐敗的

I'm sorry about that, but all nations are corrupt.

我對此感到遺憾 但所有的國家都是腐敗的

As long as you use money, you can pay off senators

只要你使用金錢 你就可以賄賂參議員

the drug company can buy time

藥品公司可以拖延時間

so you can't have decency and ethics in a corrupt world.

因此在一個腐敗的世界中 不可能有正當行為和倫理

"But are you talking about a utopia?"

"但你是在談論烏托邦嗎?"

No. There's no such thing.

不 沒有這回事

The reason there is no such thing as utopia is because

沒有烏托邦的理由是因為

if you design the best building you know how to design

若你設計了現今最佳建築

that's the best you know up to now.

即目前為止所知最佳的

With the advent of a new material, the city'll keep changing.

隨著新材質的到來 城市將會持續改變

There's no best laptop. Next year there'll be smaller, lighter, wider range.

沒有最好的筆記本電腦 下一年將會有更小 更輕 種類會更多

Cameras no longer use film.

例如不再使用底片的相機

So you can't design the best camera, you can only design the best that you know of up to now.

因此你無法設計最佳的相機 你只能設計到目前為止你所知最佳的東西

No utopias, no final frontiers.

沒有烏托邦 沒有最終極限

"But for you, your vision of the future"

"但對你來說 你對於未來的願景"

is always changing.

總是在改變

"But it's dependent on technology?"

"但是取決於科技?"

Yes. Technology and knowledge in all fields.

是的 所有領域的科技和知識

Today, scientists are specialized in optics, another guy rockets

現今 一些科學家們研究光學 另一些則研究火箭

so the nation can use them anyway they want to.

因此國家可以用任何想要的方式利用他們

In the future, people will be educated to be generalists, so no one can use you

在未來人們將會受教育成為通才 這樣沒有人可以利用你

to make weapons of destruction.

去製造毀滅性的武器

"But you look at some of your designs

"但看看一些你的設計

some of your visions for the future and people say

和對未來的設想 人們會說:

"Yeah, look, it's like you might have seen in Popular Mechanics in the 50s.

'看吶 這就像50年代的《大眾機械》描述的那樣'

You know, "This is what's going to be like in 1999."

你懂的 像是'這將是1999年那樣子'"

No. It's nothing like that.

不 完全不是

Hollywood shows you spaceships and people using laser weapons.

好萊塢秀給你看太空船以及使用雷射武器的人們

They take the same cowboys and Indians and put 'em in spaceships.

但他們同樣把牛仔和印第安人放到太空船裡

That is not the future, that's man's concept of this limited society

這不是未來 這是人們在受限的社會裡做出的預設

that doesn't teach you how to think and look ahead.

這未教導你如何思考並向前看

They teach you how to be a cameraman, auto mechanic, chemist, or a structural engineer

人們教導你如何成為攝影師 汽車技師 化學家 或建築工程師

but they don't give you an overview of society.

但他們並沒有給你展現出社會的全景

"For people to embrace what you're talking about..."

"為了讓人們接受你正談論的東西"

Well, it's not my system really.

嗯 這不是我獨創的體系

If we don't live in accordance with the nature of the Earth

如果我們不與地球的大自然和諧共處

if we don't live in accordance with the natural resources, we can't live.

如果我們未能與自然資源達成和諧 我們就無法生存

You can't designate a population of 10 million without doing a study of the resources you have.

在未調查所擁用的資源狀況下 你不能斷定人口容量就為一千萬人

After you study, we have enough resources to support so many billions of people

在你調查研究之後 我們才明白是否有足夠的資源 來維持好幾十億人的生活

and if you exceed that, you're going to have starvation, malnutrition, territorial disputes.

如果超過資源的用量 將會出現饑荒 營養不良 領土紛爭

If you maintain a population in accordance with the carrying capacity of the Earth

如果維持的人口與地球的承載能力相協調

no opinions of senators.

那就不需要參議員的意見

Politics was great, a hundred years ago.

政治在一百年前是很有用的

Today, it's all obsolete.

當今的政治已完全過時了

"But aren't you really, you're talking revolution, because you're saying..."

"但你真的不是在談論革命? 因為你在說..."

No.

不是

"When society breaks down..."

"當社會崩潰時"

Technical revolution.

是技術革命

"Yeah, but when society breaks down, then they'll want to do it a different way."

"對 但當社會崩潰時 人們將會想用不同的方式去做事"

I'm sorry about that, but it seems that conditions were so abusive, in some lands

我對此感到遺憾 但在某些國家中的狀況非常暴虐

that they put in socialism, communism, whatever, or fascism

以致於人們加入社會主義 共產主義 法西斯主義

that fits the conditions that people live under.

試圖讓這些模式適用於人們生活的情況

None of them are the solution.

但這些都不是解決辦法

All governments, all through history, have been corrupt.

有史以來 所有的政府一直都是腐敗的

"So, in that case, the rise of the Nazis in Germany was perfectly logical."

"也就是說 在那種情況下 德國納粹的堀起是完全合邏輯的"

Was logical within their conditioning.

只在他們的限制框架中才合邏輯

In other words, Hitler did not lead Germany that way

換句話說 希特勒並未那樣領導德國

but what he spoke of was acceptable to the German people, obviously.

但顯然他的理論被德國人所接受

He was put there by German big business and industry

他是被德國的大公司和企業擺放在那個位置

and the working man had no voice.

而勞工階級的人們無法發聲

He thought he was a communist, a socialist.

他認為他是共產主義者 社會主義者

Hitler's system would not have worked even if they'd won the war.

即使德國當時贏得了戰爭 希特勒的系統也不會成功運作

"You must know that people look at your concepts."

"你一定知道人們檢視你的概念"

Yes, I heard.

是的 我聽說過

"And with utmost respect Jacque, they will say, "You're a crazy old man."'

"雅克 容我致上最高敬意 但人們會說'你這個瘋老頭'"

I understand that. This is not unusual.

我瞭解這些反應 這很正常

Every move from women's rights to child labor, were fought with battles, all the time.

從女權運動到童工權益 一直以來 人類的每一步都充滿著鬥爭

No new system ever came in smoothly.

新體系沒有一個能夠平穩地出現

Even in the army, the cavalry fought the war tanks.

即使在軍隊中 當坦克車開進來時 騎兵仍會試著

When the war tanks came in, they fought the guided missile.

對抗坦克車 他們還會對抗導彈

Now the guided missile people are fighting lasers from weapons in the sky.

而現在使用導彈的人們 正在對抗天上的雷射武器

Then they have a bomb called a "flicker bomb", so bright light goes on and off

接著他們有一種叫作"閃光彈"的炸彈 亮光會不斷閃爍

it gives you an epileptic seizure and doesn't destroy the environment.

它給你一種癲癇發作的效果 而且不會摧毀環境

Now they're in control, but there's no limit to what man can do.

人類現在已掌控了(這些科技) 但人們能夠做出什麼事則沒有受限

Man is the dumbest animal.

人類是最蠢的動物

He pollutes the ocean, the air, the rivers, the atmosphere, and people.

污染海洋 空氣 河川 大氣以及人類本身

Man, they put themselves on a pedestal, say "We're the highest form of life."

人類視自己為完人 認為自己是"萬物之靈"

That's an ego trip. They're not. We're not civilized yet.

這是自我滿足 人們不是萬物之靈 我們尚未文明

As long as you have prisons, police, armies, navies; we are not civilized.

只要有監獄 警察 軍隊 海軍 那我們就稱不上文明

Until the world learns to live together, constructively

直到世界學習一起建設生活

that'll be the beginning of the scientific age.

那才會是科學時代的開始

We're not there yet.

我們尚未到達那一步

During the time of the Wright Brothers

在萊特兄弟那段時期

the scientists of the time were writing books as to why man can't fly

當時的科學家們編寫為何人類不能飛翔的書籍

and the Wright Brothers didn't read those books

而萊特兄弟並未讀那些書

so they went right on and built the flying machine.

所以他們繼續努力並建造了飛行機器

Goddard couldn't speak about rocketry in the scientific fields

戈達德(液體火箭的發明者)當時不能在科學領域中談論火箭技術

'cause he'd be looked at as a quack.

因為他會被視為江湖郎中

So all through history, the scientists of the times, were saying how things could not progress.

因此有史以來 每個時代的科學家們都在說事情如何不會進步

"But, how do you convince people?"

"但你如何說服人們?"

I'm going to try to explain that.

我將試著解釋

"How do you convince them?"

"你如何說服他們?"

First of all, no one has an opinion.

首先 人們不應有主觀意見

See, they bring you up where everyone should have a right to their own opinion.

例如 人們教導你相信 人們應該有權表達自己意見的權利

If your sister lived across the way from me

如果你的姊妹住在我家對面

and I see 10 guys coming out of her apartment

然後我看到10個人從她的公寓中走出來

I can have all kinds of opinions.

我可能有各種各樣猜測

The most difficult thing for people to say is "I don't know."

對人們來說 最困難的事是說:"我不知道"

"Do you think a man'll ever get to the moon?"

"你認為人們將有一天能去月球嗎?"

"I don't know enough about rockets, or the prop.... I don't know."

"我對火箭或推進器技術瞭解不夠深 我不懂"

But today, when people say, "Well, if you ask me, not in a thousand years."

但如今人們則會說:"嗯 如果你問我的話 我想幾千年內是不會上月球的"

I'm not interested in that.

我對這種主觀反應沒興趣

What do you know about space travel? Machinery, rocketry? Nothing.

你懂得太空旅行嗎? 機械? 火箭? 完全不懂

Then, I don't want to hear from you.

那麼 我就不想聽你胡扯了

Do you understand? People just yack on about anything

你明白嗎? 如果給所有人表達自己意見的權利

if you give them all a right to their own opinion.

人們就只會說些廢話

In the future, here's the way they'll talk

在未來 人們會這樣談論事物

If they see an airplane without wings, in the future, they'll say

如果他們看見一架沒有機翼的飛機 在未來他們會說:

"How do you propose to lift off the ground without wings?"

"你如何提出離地起飛卻不需機翼的方法?"

Today they say, "It'll never fly, it doesn't have wings."

但今日人們只會說:"不可能會飛的啦 飛機又沒有機翼"

They have an opinion about everything, and that's dangerous.

他們對任何事情就會有主觀意見 而這是危險的

That's why nations don't move forward.

這就是為何國家不會進步的原因

"But, you look at you now, and you're touring around, you're talking to people."

"但看看你 你正在四處環遊與人們交流"

Yes.

是的

"What, for the next seven months you're gonna travel the world."

"在接下來的七個月中 你將環遊世界"

Yes.

是的

"And you're 94 years old."

"而且你94歲了"

Yes.

是的

"You haven't got anything better to do?"

"你沒有更想做的事嗎?"

No. Not now, I'm afraid of the direction that Man is taking.

沒有 不是現在 我擔心人類正在前進的方向

We have bombs now that are like a thousand times greater than the one dropped on Hiroshima.

我們現在擁有比廣島原子彈破壞性還強上數千倍的炸彈

How stupid can you be? What can you accomplish with that?

人類能蠢到何種地步? 你用炸彈可以成就什麼呢?

The United States has 300 submarines, and according to the Navy

美國有300艘潛水艇 而且據海軍的說法

each one has more destructive power than all the wars in history.

每一艘的武力 都比歷史上所有戰爭的總武力還更具毀滅性

What are you going to accomplish with that? A burnt-out radioactive planet?

你用這個將能成就什麼呢? 一個燃燒殆盡 充滿輻射物質的星球?

You won the war?

你贏得了戰爭?

What do you win?

你贏得了什麼!

It's much easier to bring the nations of the world together

更簡單的是把世界上的國家團結在一起

not kill those that don't agree with you, bring them together.

而不是殺了那些不同意你的人 把人類團結起來

If I took every soldier, I would educate them to be problem solvers, not killing machines.

如果我帶領士兵 我會把他們教育成問題的解決者 而不是殺人機器

If they draft you to serve, to put up your life for your country

如果政府徵召你從軍 要你為國家付出生命

they should conscript all the war industries

那他們應該徵召所有的戰爭軍火商

so no one makes a buck out of war. Then it's real.

這樣沒有人會從戰爭中賺取一毛錢 這樣政府才是玩真的

You don't have that.

但政府不這麼做

"What can one man do though?"

"一個人能做什麼呢?"

Talk to other people. If you like what The Venus Project stands for, talk to others.

與其它人對話 如果你喜歡金星計劃所代表的 就去與人對話吧

If you do nothing, nothing will happen. I can assure you that.

我可以肯定 如果你不做事 事情就不會發生

I have no power, Roxanne has no power.

我沒有權力 羅克珊沒有權力

It's merely a presentation of a world without war, hunger, poverty, or job loss.

這個計劃只是呈現出一個沒有戰爭 飢餓 貧困 或失業的世界

It's always been one person who comes up with new ideas

一直以來總是一個人想出新主意

and when other people hear about it

而當其它人聽說時

then they work towards it and do what they can to make it happen.

他們就會努力朝向目標 盡其所能使之成真

But it's usually one person that's come up with different ideas.

但通常是一個人提出不同的想法

"Do you see him as a genius?"

"你認為雅克是一個天才嗎?"

No, I see him as someone who's gone through certain things during his lifetime

不 我認為他是在生命中經歷過特定事物狀況的人

and arrived at different conclusions.

並達致與常人不同的結論

His background was very different.

他的背景是非常不同的

He worked in technology, he was a futurist

他在科技領域內工作 他是未來學家

but most futurists don't talk about the future in terms of technology

但大部份的未來學家 並未以科技的眼光談論未來

they have wishes and aspirations, and hopes and dreams.

他們有渴望和抱負 有希望和夢想

He can build these things technically.

但他可以用技術建造出這些東西

He's worked with drug addicts, alcoholics, changed them.

他與毒品藥物成癮者 酗酒者共事過並改變了他們

He even joined the Klan, he wanted to see if he could put his ideas to test.

他甚至加入了3K黨 他想看看是否能測試他的想法

He joined the Ku Klux Klan in the United States, and changed them within a month and a half.

他在美國加入了3K黨 並在一半個月內改變了他們

Then join the White Citizens Council and changed them.

接著又加入白人公民委員會並改變了他們

It's not just coming out of his head saying, "I would like a different world."

這不只是隨便地說:"我想要一個不同的世界"

He worked at it, and worked at people to change them.

他為此努力工作 與人們共事以改變他們

"You joined the Klan?"

"你加入過3K黨?"

- Ku Klux Klan, years ago, and it was about 32 members.

對 在多年以前入過3K黨 大約有32名成員

So, I joined them by talking with...

也就是說 我加入他們藉由談論...

First, that leader said to me, "What do you think of the Ku Klux Klan?"

首先 裡面的領導者對我說:"你認為3K黨如何?"

I said, "It's a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough."

我說:"是個很棒的主意 但還不夠有力"

Then they listen. But if you down it, they don't listen. You understand?

然後他們會聽我說 但如果你批評他們 他們就不聽我說了 你明白嗎?

You have to learn different people's values and speak in their terms, not your terms.

你必須學習不同人的價值觀 並以他們的語言來對話 而不是你的語言

If you speak ahead of the terms of people, they don't know what you're talking about.

如果你說話的用語 超越了人們的認知 他們就不瞭解你在講什麼

So, in New York, I asked a question

所以在紐約 我問了一個問題

"What are the most undeveloped people in the area?"

"在這區域內最未開化的人們是誰?"

I got one consensus, they said, "The Arabs that live in Atlantic Avenue."

我得到了一個共識 他們說:"住在亞特蘭大大道上的阿拉伯人"

I said, "What makes you think they're backward?"

我說:"什麼東西使你認為他們落後?"

"They still believe the Earth is flat."

"他們仍然相信地球是平的"

So I said, "I better try to turn them around because if I can't turn them around

接著我對自己說:"那我最好改變他們 因為如果我不能改變他們

how am I going to change the world?"

我如何改變這個世界?"

That's why I join the Klan and the White Citizens Council.

這就是我加入3K黨和白人公民委員會的原因

So, I call the leader of the Arabs in that area and I said, "I would like to speak with you."

因此 我打通電話給該區域內阿拉伯人的老大 接著我說:"我想和你談談"

He said, "You are Arab?" That's all he can say.

他說:"你是阿拉伯人嗎?" 這是他的全話

I said, "Yes." - I'm not Arab.

我說:"是的" 但其實我不是

So he said, "Where your father he born?"

然後他說:"你的父親出生在哪?"

I said, "Lebanon."

我說:"黎巴嫩"

He said, "Very good, come and saw me;" means "Come and see me."

他說:"非常好 過來見我吧"

So I came to see him and I said, "Do you believe the world is round?"

所以我跑去看他然後說:"你相信地球是圓的嗎?"

"No."

"不信"

So he said to me, "Do you believe...?"

他對我說:"你相信...?"

I said, "No." He... "tut tut tut"

我說:"不信" 然後他口中發出噠噠噠的聲音

That means "It can't be."

意思是(地球)"不可能"(是圓的)

Then he pointed to his head

接著他指著他的頭

he says, "If the world be round, man fall me down, all the water he fall me down."

他說:"如果地球是圓的 人就會掉下來 所有的水都會流出來"

Kept doing that.

他持續著這個動作

So I said, "Boy, I got to get to this guy."

因此 我想:"老天吶 我要想辦法讓他瞭解"

So I gave him a balloon which I brought with me and I rubbed it with fur.

所以我給他隨身帶著的汽球 然後我用汗毛磨擦汽球

I put cornflakes in his hand and told him to hold his hand away from the balloon.

我在他手裡放了玉米片 然後告訴他把手離開汽球

You know what happens if you rub it?

你知道如果摩擦汽球會發生什麼嗎?

All the cornflakes go up to the balloon.

所有的玉米片都附著在汽球上了

And his jaw hit the pavement.

接著他下巴就掉到地上了

He said, "World he magnet?"

他說:"世界是一塊磁鐵?"

"Eeehh..."

"哎..."

"Aaaaahhh..."

"啊..."

And he explained that to all the other Arabs.

接著他就解釋給所有其它的阿拉伯人聽

Took an hour and a half to turn them around by demonstration.

我透過例證花了一個半小時改變了他們

But if you use language, scientific centrifugal force, geomagnetic fields

但如果你使用語言 科學上的離力心 地磁場等概念

they don't know what the hell you're talking about.

他們就不會知道你到底在講什麼

"Did you turn around the Klan though?"

"然而你改變了3K黨嗎?"

Oh yes. Do you want me to tell you how?

喔 是的 你想要知道我如何做到的嗎?

"Yeah."

"是的"

Okay. It was a longer process.

好的 這個過程比較長

What I did is I spoke to the leader only.

我所做的是只與3K黨的領導者談話

Took him to my lab, showed him a lot of interesting things