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>>> IT'S TIME TO VOTE
FOR AMERICA AND
AMERICA FIRST.
>> AMERICA'S DESTINY
IS OURS TO CHOOSE.
>> WE WILL MAKE
AMERICA SAFE AGAIN.
>> WE JOIN TOGETHER TO
GET RID OF THE THREATS
WE FACE.
>> JOBS, JOBS, JOBS.
>> I WILL BE A
PRESIDENT FOR ALL
AMERICANS.
>> FROM NBC NEWS.
DECISION 2016.
THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATE.
LIVE FROM HOFSTRA
UNIVERSITY IN
HEMPSTEAD, NEW YORK.
HERE NOW, SAVANNAH
GUTHRIE AND CHUCK
TODD.
>> AND GOOD EVENING,
EVERYBODY.
NICE TO HAVE YOU WITH
US.
CHUCK, AFTER ALL THE
HYPE, ALL THE PREP,
ALL THE PREDEBATE
GAMESMANSHIP FROM BOTH
CAMPAIGNS THIS IS IT,
WE'RE LITERALLY
MINUTES WAY FROM THE
START OF THE FIRST AND
ALL IMPORTANT
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE ON
A STAGE BEHIND US.
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THE
CANDIDATES TONIGHT
HILLARY CLINTON AND
DONALD TRUMP ARRIVING
HERE A BIT EARLIER
THIS EVENING.
THEY'RE WAITING
BACKSTAGE.
AND CHUCK, WE'VE HAD A
MOMENT TONIGHT.
>> YEAH.
>> PRESIDENT BILL
CLINTON IS IN THE
HOUSE.
AND MET MRS. MELANIA
TRUMP.
THEY JUST SHARED THAT
HANDSHAKE.
WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE
FAMILIES ASSEMBLED
HERE.
>> WE DO.
AND I THINK ONE THING
WE OUGHT TO REMEMBER
AS BIG OF
PERSONALITIES THAT
THEY ARE, WE KNOW THIS
IS GOING TO BE A CLASH
OF BIG PERSONALITIES,
THIS IS ALSO A CLASH
OF TWO COMPETING
VISIONS OF AMERICA.
HILLARY CLINTON
EMBRACING THE MANY
CULTURAL CHANGES,
DIVERSITY,
ACCELERATION OF
GLOBALIZATION THAT'S
HAPPENING.
DONALD TRUMP EMBRACING
A VISION THAT SAYS
WHOA, LET'S SLOW DOWN,
LET'S SLOW THINGS
DOWN, LET'S LOOK
INWARD A LITTLE BIT.
LET'S NOT LET THAT GET
LOST TONIGHT.
>> LET'S BRING IN OUR
COLLEAGUE TOM BROKAW,
OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY
WHO'S WATCHED A LOT OF
DEBATES.
DOESN'T THIS FEEL LIKE
THERE'S SOMETHING
SPECIAL ABOUT THIS
ONE, IF NOTHING ELSE
BECAUSE THEY THINK
MAYBE 100 MILLION
PEOPLE COULD BE
WATCHING.
>> NEVER SEEN ONE
QUITE LIKE THIS IN
PART BECAUSE THE 100
MILLION PEOPLE, A LOT
ARE TRYING TO MAKE UP
THEIR MINDS.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
DEBATE.
ADD TO THE TELEVISION
VIEWERSHIP, SOCIAL
MEDIA GOING ON,
TWEETING THAT IS GOING
ON, TEXTING THAT IS
GOING ON, THE
STREAMING THAT IS
GOING ON.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST
ELECTRONIC EVENT IN
AMERICAN HISTORY TO
SAY NOTHING OF
AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL
POLITICS.
>> THE STAKES ARE SO
HIGH WITH THE POLLS
TIGHT AS WE'VE SEEN AS
RECENTLY AS TODAY.
LET'S GO TO ANDREA
MITCHELL, EXCUSE ME,
HALEY JACKSON IS IN
THE SPINROOM FOR US.
GOOD EVENING.
>> HI, SAVANNAH.
HERE MEDIA AND
SURROGATES ARE READY
FOR WHAT HAPPENS AFTER
THE DEBATE.
BEFORE THEN, HERE'S
DONALD TRUMP'S BIGGEST
TEST.
CAN HE PROVE HE HAS
THE TEMPERMENT TO BE
COMMANDER IN CHIEF?
IT'S ONE OF HIS
BIGGEST NEGATIVES TO
VOTERS.
TOO MANY INSULTS HE
COULD COME OFF AS A
BULLY, TOO FEW
SPECIFICS AND COULD
SEEM UNPREPARED.
SAVANNAH?
>> HALLIE JACKSON,
THANK YOU.
>> LET'S GO TO ANDREA
MITCHELL COVERING THE
HILLARY CLINTON
CAMPAIGN.
WHAT'S HILLARY
CLINTON'S GOAL
TONIGHT, ANDREA?
>> HER NEED IS TO
RELATE TO PEOPLE
ESPECIALLY MILLENNIAL
VOTERS AND VERY
FRANKLY ONE OF HER TOP
AIDES SAID TO ME WE'RE
GLAD WE HAVE DONALD
TRUMP TO DEBATE
AGAINST BECAUSE HE'S
THE DRAW, HE'S DRAWING
100 MILLION PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S THE KIND OF
CROWD HILLARY CLINTON
HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO
ATTRACT.
SHE NOW HAS TO SELL
HERSELF TONIGHT AND
BILL CLINTON IS HERE.
HE NEVER ATED ANY
OF THE PRIMARY
DEBATES.
>> THANK YOU, ANDREA.
>> WE'RE ABOUT 30
SECONDS AWAY FROM THE
DEBATE.
THE STAKES ARE VERY
HIGH.
AS I MENTIONED
EARLIER, THE POLLS ARE
EX-FREEDOMLY TIGHT.
>> THEY ARE.
I DO THINK THE
AUDIENCE IS VERY
FLUID.
WE HAVE A BUNCH OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER
NONE OF THE ABOVE OR
UNDECIDED.
I THINK THE POLLS WILL
MOVE TONIGHT.
>> THE
MULTIBILLIONAIRE,
FORMER FIRST LADY,
SECRETARY OF STATE,
U.S. SENATOR ABOUT TO
DEBATE.
WE'LL LET LESTER HOLT
TAKE IT AWAY.
>> GOOD EVENING FROM
HOFSTRA UNIVERSITY IN
HEMPSTEAD, NEW YORK,
I'M LESTER HOLT.
ANCHOR OF \"NBC NIGHTLY
NEWS.\"
I WANT TO WELCOME YOU
TO THE FIRST
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.
THE PARTICIPANTS
TONIGHT ARE DONALD
TRUMP AND HILLARY
CLINTON.
THIS DEBATE IS
SPONSORED BY THE
COMMISSION ON
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES.
A NONPARTISAN,
NON-PROFIT
ORGANIZATION.
THE COMMISSION DRAFTED
TONIGHT'S FORMAT AND
THE RULES HAVE BEEN
AGREED TO BY THE
CAMPAIGNS.
THE 90 MINUTE DEBATE
IS DIVIDED INTO 6
SEGMENTS EACH 15
MINUTES LONG.
WE'LL EXPLORE THREE
TOPIC AREAS TONIGHT,
ACHIEVING PROSPERITY,
AMERICA'S DIRECTION,
AND SECURING AMERICA.
AT THE START OF EACH
SEGMENT, I WILL ASK
THE SAME LEADOFF
QUESTION TO BOTH
CANDIDATES AND THEY
WILL EACH HAVE UP TO
TWO MINUTES TO
RESPOND.
FROM THAT POINT, UNTIL
THE END OF THE
SEGMENT, WE'LL HAVE AN
OPEN DISCUSSION.
THE QUESTIONS ARE MINE
AND HAVE NOT BEEN
SHARED WITH THE
COMMISSION OF THE
CAMPAIGNS.
THE AUDIENCE HERE IN
THE ROOM HAS AGREED TO
REMAIN SILENT SO THAT
WE CAN FOCUS ON WHAT
THE CANDIDATES ARE
SAYING.
I WILL INVITE YOU TO
APPLAUD, HOWEVER, AT
THIS MOMENT AS WE
WELCOME THE
CANDIDATES, DEMOCRATIC
NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES,
HILLARY CLINTON.
AND REPUBLICAN NOMINEE
FOR PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, DONALD
J. TRUMP.
>> HEY, HOW ARE YOU?
>> GOOD LUCK TO YOU.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>> WELL, I DON'T
EXPECT US TO COVER ALL
THE ISSUES OF THIS
CAMPAIGN TONIGHT, BUT
I REMIND EVERYONE
THERE ARE TWO MORE
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES
SCHEDULED.
WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS
ON MANY OF THE ISSUES
THAT VOTERS TELL US
ARE MOST IMPORTANT AND
WE'RE GOING TO PRESS
FOR SPECIFICS.
I AM HONORED TO HAVE
THIS ROLE, BUT THIS
EVENING BELONGS TO THE
CANDIDATES, AND JUST
AS IMPORTANT TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
CANDIDATES, WE LOOK
FORWARD TO HEARING YOU
ARTICULATE POLICIES
AND POSITIONS AS WELL
AS YOUR VISIONS AND
YOUR VALUES.
SO, LET'S BEGIN.
WE'RE CALLING THIS
OPENING SEGMENT
ACHIEVING PROSPERITY
AND CENTRAL TO THAT IS
JOBS.
THERE ARE TWO ECONOMIC
REALITIES IN AMERICA
TODAY.
THERE'S BEEN A RECORD
SIX STRAIGHT YEARS OF
JOB GROWTH AND NEW
CENSUS NUMBERS SHOW
INCOMES HAVE INCREASED
AT A RECORD RATE AFTER
YEARS OF STAGNATION.
HOWEVER, INCOME
INEQUALITY REMAINS
SIGNIFICANT AND NEARLY
HALF OF AMERICANS ARE
LIVING PAYCHECK TO
PAYCHECK.
BEGINNING WITH YOU,
SECRETARY CLINTON, WHY
ARE YOU A BETTER
CHOICE THAN YOUR
OPPONENT TO CREATE THE
KINDS OF JOBS THAT
WILL PUT MORE MONEY
INTO THE POCKETS OF
AMERICAN WORKERS?
>> WELL, THANK YOU,
LESTER, AND THANKS TO
HOFSTRA FOR HOSTING
US.
THE CENTRAL QUESTION
IN THIS ELECTION IS
REALLY WHAT KIND OF
COUNTRY WE WANT TO BE
AND WHAT KIND OF
FUTURE WE'LL BUILD
TOGETHER.
TODAY IS MY
GRANDDAUGHTER'S SECOND
BIRTHDAY SO I THINK
ABOUT THIS A LOT.
FIRST, WE HAVE TO
BUILD AN ECONOMY THAT
WORKS FOR EVERYONE,
NOT JUST THOSE AT THE
TOP.
THAT MEANS WE NEED NEW
JOBS, GOOD JOBS, WITH
RISING INCOMES.
I WANT US TO INVEST IN
YOU.
I WANT US TO INVEST IN
YOUR FUTURE.
THAT MEANS JOBS AND
INFRASTRUCTURE AND
ADVANCED
MANUFACTURING.
INNOVATION AND
TECHNOLOGY.
CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY
AND SMALL BUSINESS
BECAUSE MOST OF THE
NEW JOBS WILL COME
FROM SMALL BUSINESS.
WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE
THE ECONOMY FAIRER.
THAT STARTS WITH
RAISING THE NATIONAL
MINIMUM WAGE AND ALSO
GUARANTEE FINALLY
EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN'S
WORK.
I ALSO WANT TO SEE
MORE COMPANIES DO
PROFIT SHARING.
IF YOU HELP CREATE THE
PROFITS, YOU SHOULD BE
ABLE TO SHARE IN THEM,
NOT JUST THE
EXECUTIVES AT THE TOP.
AND I WANT US TO DO
MORE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE
WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO
BALANCE FAMILY AND
WORK.
I'VE HEARD FROM SO
MANY OF YOU ABOUT THE
DIFFICULT CHOICES YOU
FACE AND THE STRESSES
THAT YOU'RE UNDER.
SO LET'S HAVE PAID
FAMILY LEAVE.
EARNED SICK DAYS.
LET'S BE SURE WE HAVE
AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE
AND DEBT-FREE COLLEGE.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO
IT?
WE'RE GOING TO DO IT
BY HAVING THE WEALTHY
PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE
AND CLOSE THE
CORPORATE LOOPHOLES.
FINALLY WE TONIGHT ARE
ON THE STAGE TOGETHER,
DONALD TRUMP AND I.
DONALD, IT'S GOOD TO
BE WITH YOU.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A
DEBATE WHERE WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT THE
IMPORTANT ISSUES
FACING OUR COUNTRY.
YOU HAVE TO JUDGE US.
WHO CAN SHOULDER THE
IMMENSE, AWESOME
RESPONSIBILITIES OF
THE PRESIDENCY?
WHO CAN PUT INTO
ACTION THE PLANS THAT
WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE
BETTER?
I HOPE THAT I WILL BE
ABLE TO EARN YOUR VOTE
ON NOVEMBER 8th.
>> SECRETARY CLINTON,
THANK YOU.
MR. TRUMP, THE SAME
QUESTION TO YOU.
IT'S ABOUT PUTTING
MONEY, MORE MONEY INTO
THE POCKETS OF
AMERICAN WORKERS.
YOU HAVE UP TO TWO
MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU, LESTER.
OUR JOBS ARE FLEEING
THE COUNTRY.
THEY'RE GOING TO
MEXICO, THEY'RE GOING
TO MANY OTHER
COUNTRIES.
YOU LOOK AT WHAT CHINA
IS DOING TO OUR
COUNTRY IN TERMS OF
MAKING OUR PRODUCT.
THEY'RE DEVALUING
THEIR CURRENCY AND
THERE'S NOBODY IN OUR
GOVERNMENT TO FIGHT
THEM AND WE HAVE A
VERY GOOD FIGHT AND WE
HAVE A WINNING FIGHT
BECAUSE THEY'RE USING
OUR COUNTRY AS A PIGGY
BANK TO REBUILD CHINA
AND MANY OTHER
COUNTRIES ARE DOING
THE SAME THING.
SO WE'RE LOSING OUR
GOOD JOBS.
SO MANY OF THEM.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
MEXICO, A FRIEND OF
MINE WHO BUILDS PLANTS
SAID IT'S THE EIGHTH
WONDER OF THE WORLD,
THEY'RE BUILDING SOME
OF THE BIGGEST PLANTS
ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD,
SOME OF THE MOST
SOPHISTICATED, SOME OF
THE BEST PLANTS.
WITH THE UNITED
STATES, AS YOU SAID,
NOT SO MUCH.
SO, FORD IS LEAVING,
YOU SEE THAT.
THEIR SMALL CAR
DIVISION LEAVING.
THOUSANDS OF JOBS
LEAVING MICHIGAN,
LEAVING OHIO.
THEY'RE ALL LEAVING.
WE CAN'T ALLOW IT TO
HAPPEN ANYMORE.
AS FAR AS CHILDCARE IS
CONCERNED AND SO MANY
OTHER THINGS I THINK
HILLARY AND I AGREE ON
THAT.
WE PROBABLY DISAGREE A
LITTLE BIT AS TO
NUMBERS AND AMOUNTS,
AND WHAT WE'RE GOING
TO DO, BUT PERHAPS
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT
THAT LATER.
BUT WE HAVE TO STOP
OUR JOBS FROM BEING
STOLEN FROM US.
WE HAVE TO STOP OUR
COMPANIES FROM LEAVING
THE UNITED STATES AND
WITH IT, FIRING ALL OF
THE PEOPLE.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS
TAKE A LOOK AT CARRIER
AIR-CONDITIONING IN
INDIANAPOLIS.
THEY FIRED 1,400
PEOPLE.
THEY'RE GOING TO
MEXICO.
SO MANY HUNDREDS AND
HUNDREDS OF COMPANIES
ARE DOING THIS.
WE CANNOT LET IT
HAPPEN.
UNDER MY PLAN, I'LL BE
REDUCING TAXES
TREMENDOUSLY FROM 35%
TO 15% FOR COMPANIES,
SMALL AND BIG
BUSINESSES.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A
JOB CREATOR LIKE WE
HAVEN'T SEEN SINCE
RONALD REAGAN.
IT'S GOING TO BE A
BEAUTIFUL THING TO
WATCH.
COMPANIES WILL COME.
THEY WILL BUILD.
THEY WILL EXPAND.
NEW COMPANIES WILL
START.
AND I LOOK VERY, VERY
MUCH FORWARD TO DOING
IT.
WE HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE
OUR TRADE DEALS AND WE
HAVE TO STOP THESE
COUNTRIES FROM
STEALING OUR COMPANIES
AND OUR JOBS.
>> SECRETARY CLINTON,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO
RESPOND?
>> WELL, I THINK THAT
TRADE IS AN IMPORTANT
ISSUE.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE 5%
OF THE WORLD'S
POPULATION.
WE HAVE TO TRADE WITH
THE OTHER 95%.
AND WE NEED TO HAVE
SMART, FAIR TRADE
DEALS.
WE ALSO, THOUGH, NEED
TO HAVE A TAX SYSTEM
THAT REWARDS WORK AND
NOT JUST FINANCIAL
TRANSACTIONS.
AND THE KIND OF PLAN
THAT DONALD HAS PUT
FORTH WOULD BE
TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS
ALL OVER AGAIN, IN
FACT, IT WOULD BE THE
MOST EXTREME VERSION,
THE BIGGEST TAX CUTS
FOR THE TOP PERCENTS
OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS
COUNTRY THAN WE'VE
EVER HAD.
I CALL IT TRUMPED UP
TRICKLE DOWN BECAUSE
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT
WOULD BE.
THAT IS NOT HOW WE
GROW THE ECONOMY.
WE JUST HAVE A
DIFFERENT VIEW ABOUT
WHAT'S BEST FOR
GROWING THE ECONOMY.
HOW WE MAKE
INVESTMENTS THAT WILL
ACTUALLY PRODUCE JOBS
AND RISING INCOMES.
I THINK WE COME AT IT
FROM SOMEWHAT
DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
YOU KNOW, DONALD WAS
VERY FORTUNATE IN HIS
LIFE AND THAT'S ALL TO
HIS BENEFIT.
HE STARTED HIS
BUSINESS WITH $14
MILLION, BORROWED FROM
HIS FATHER, AND HE
REALLY BELIEVES THAT
THE MORE YOU HELP
WEALTHY PEOPLE, THE
BETTER OFF WE'LL BE
AND THAT EVERYTHING
WILL WORK OUT FROM
THERE.
I DON'T BUY THAT.
I HAVE A DIFFERENT
EXPERIENCE.
MY FATHER WAS A SMALL
BUSINESSMAN.
HE WORKED REALLY HARD.
HE PRINTED DRAPERY
FABRICS ON LONG TABLES
WHERE HE PULLED OUT
THOSE FABRICS AND HE
WENT DOWN WITH A SILK
SCREEN AND DUMPED THE
PAINT IN AND TOOK THE
SQUEEGEE AND KEPT
GOING.
WHAT I BELIEVE, THE
MORE WE CAN DO FOR THE
MIDDLE CLASS, THE MORE
WE CAN INVEST IN YOU,
YOUR EDUCATION, YOUR
SKILLS, YOUR FUTURE,
THE BETTER WE WILL BE
OFF AND THE BETTER
WE'LL GROW.
THAT'S THE KIND OF
ECONOMY I WANT US TO
SEE AGAIN.
>> LET ME FOLLOW-UP
WITH MR. TRUMP IF I
CAN.
YOU TALKED ABOUT
CREATING 25 MILLION
JOBS AND PROMISED TO
BRING BACK MILLIONS OF
JOBS FOR AMERICANS.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO
BRING BACK THE
INDUSTRIES THAT HAVE
LEFT THIS COUNTRY FOR
CHEAPER LABOR
OVERSEAS?
HOW SPECIFICALLY ARE
YOU GOING TO TELL
AMERICAN MANUFACTURERS
THAT YOU HAVE TO COME
BACK?
>> WELL, FOR ONE
THING, AND BEFORE WE
START ON THAT, MY
FATHER GAVE ME A VERY
SMALL LOAN IN 1975 AND
I BUILT IT INTO A
COMPANY THAT'S WORTH
MANY, MANY BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS WITH SOME OF
THE GREATEST ASSETS IN
THE WORLD.
AND I SAY THAT ONLY
BECAUSE THAT'S THE
KIND OF THINKING THAT
OUR COUNTRY NEEDS.
OUR COUNTRY IS IN DEEP
TROUBLE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT
WE'RE DOING WHEN IT
COMES TO DEEVALUATIONS
AND ALL OF THESE
COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE
WORLD, ESPECIALLY
CHINA.
THEY'RE THE BEST.
THE BEST EVER AT IT.
WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO
US IS A VERY, VERY SAD
THING.
SO WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE
OUR TRADE DEALS.
AND LESTER, THEY'RE
TAKING OUR JOBS.
THEY'RE GIVING
INCENTIVES.
THEY'RE DOING THINGS,
FRANKLY, WE DON'T DO.
LET ME GIVE YOU THE
EXAMPLE OF MEXICO.
THEY HAVE A VAT TAX.
WE'RE ON A DIFFERENT
SYSTEM.
WHEN WE SELL INTO
MEXICO, THERE'S A TAX.
WHEN THEY SELL IN,
AUTOMATIC 16%
APPROXIMATELY.
WHEN THEY SELL INTO
US, THERE'S NO TAX.
IT'S A DEFECTIVE
AGREEMENT.
IT'S BEEN DEFECTIVE
FOR A LONG TIME.
MANY YEARS.
BUT THE POLITICIANS
HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING
ABOUT IT.
NOW, IN ALL FAIRNESS
TO SECRETARY CLINTON,
YES, IS THAT OKAY?
GOOD.
I WANT YOU TO BE VERY
HAPPY.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO
ME.
BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS TO
SECRETARY CLINTON,
WHEN SHE STARTED
TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT
WAS REALLY VERY
RECENTLY.
SHE'S BEEN DOING THIS
FOR 30 YEARS.
AND WHY HASN'T SHE
MADE THE AGREEMENTS
BETTER?
THE NAFTA AGREEMENT IS
DEFECTIVE.
JUST BECAUSE OF THE
TAX AND MANY OTHER
REASONS, BUT JUST
BECAUSE OF THE --
>> LET ME INTERRUPT
JUST A MOMENT.
>> SECRETARY CLINTON
AND OTHERS,
POLITICIANS, SHOULD
HAVE BEEN DOING THIS
FOR YEARS.
NOT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE
OF THE FACT THAT WE'VE
CREATED A MOVEMENT.
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN
DOING THIS FOR YEARS.
WHAT'S HAPPENED TO OUR
JOBS AND OUR COUNTRY
AND OUR ECONOMY,
GENERALLY, IS, LOOK,
WE OWE $20 TRILLION.
WE CANNOT DO IT ANY
LONGER, LESTER.
>> BACK TO THE
QUESTION, THOUGH, HOW
DO YOU BRING BACK,
SPECIFICALLY BRING
BACK JOBS?
AMERICAN
MANUFACTURERS.
HOW DO YOU MAKE THEM
BRING THE JOBS BACK?
>> WELL, THE FIRST
THING YOU DO IS DON'T
LET THE JOBS LEAVE.
THE COMPANIES HAVE
LEAVING.
I COULD NAME -- I
MEAN, THERE ARE
THOUSANDS OF THEM.
THEY'RE LEAVING AND
THEY'RE LEAVING IN
BIGGER NUMBERS THAN
EVER.
AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOU
SAY, FINE, YOU WANT TO
GO TO MEXICO OR SOME
OTHER COUNTRY, GOOD
LUCK, WE WISH YOU A
LOT OF LUCK, BUT IF
YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING
TO MAKE YOUR AIR
CONDITIONERS OR YOUR
CARS OR YOUR COOKIES
OR WHATEVER YOU MAKE
AND BRING THEM INTO
OUR COUNTRY WITHOUT A
TAX, YOU'RE WRONG.
AND ONCE YOU SAY
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
TO TAX THEM COMING IN,
AND OUR POLITICIANS
NEVER DO THIS, BECAUSE
THEY HAVE SPECIAL
INTERESTS AND THE
SPECIAL INTERESTS WANT
THOSE COMPANIES TO
LEAVE BECAUSE IN MANY
CASES THEY OWN THE
COMPANIES.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS
WE CAN STOP THEM FROM
LEAVING.
WE HAVE TO STOP THEM
FROM LEAVING AND
THAT'S A BIG, BIG
FACTOR.
>> LET ME LET
SECRETARY CLINTON GET
IN HERE.
>> WELL, LET'S STOP
FOR A SECOND AND
REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE
EIGHT YEARS AGO.
WE HAD THE WORST
FINANCIAL CRISIS, THE
GREAT RECESSION, THE
WORST SINCE PRESIDENT
1930s.
THAT WAS IN LARGE PART
BECAUSE OF TAX
POLICIES THAT SLASHED
TAXES ON THE WEALTHY,
FAILED TO INVEST IN
THE MIDDLE CLASS, TOOK
THEIR EYES OFF OF WALL
STREET, AND CREATED A
PERFECT STORM.
IN FACT, DONALD WAS
ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO
ROOTED FOR THE HOUSING
CRISIS.
HE SAID BACK IN 2006,
GEE, I HOPE IT DOES
COLLAPSE BECAUSE THEN
I CAN GO IN AND BUY
SOME AND MAKE SOME
MONEY.
WELL, IT DID COLLAPSE.
>> THAT'S CALLED
BUSINESS, BY THE WAY.
>> 9 MILLION PEOPLE, 9
MILLION PEOPLE LOST
THEIR JOBS.
5 MILLION PEOPLE LOST
THEIR HOMES AND $13
TRILLION IN FAMILY
WEALTH WAS WIPED OUT.
NOW, WE HAVE COME BACK
FROM THAT ABYSS AND IT
HAS NOT BEEN EASY.
SO WE'RE NOW ON THE
PRECIPICE OF HAVING A
POTENTIALLY MUCH
BETTER ECONOMY, BUT
THE LAST THING WE NEED
TO DO IS TO GO BACK TO
THE POLICIES THAT
FAILED US IN THE FIRST
PLACE.
INDEPENDENT EXPERTS
HAVE LOOKED AT WHAT
I'VE PROPOSED AND
LOOKED AT WHAT
DONALD'S PROPOSED AND
BASICALLY THEY'VE SAID
THIS.
THAT IF HIS TAX PLAN,
WHICH WOULD BLOW UP
THE DEBT BY OVER $5
TRILLION AND WOULD, IN
SOME INSTANCES,
DISADVANTAGE MIDDLE
CLASS FAMILIES
COMPARED TO THE
WEALTHY, WERE TO GO
INTO EFFECT, WE WOULD
LOSE 3.5 MILLION JOBS.
AND MAYBE HAVE ANOTHER
RECESSION.
THEY'VE LOOKED AT MY
PLANS AND THEY'VE
SAID, OKAY, IF WE CAN
DO THIS, AND I INTEND
TO GET IT DONE, WE
WILL HAVE 10 MILLION
MORE NEW JOBS BECAUSE
WE WILL BE MAKING
INVESTMENTS WHERE WE
CAN GROW THE ECONOMY.
TAKE CLEAN ENERGY.
SOME COUNTRY IS GOING
TO BE THE CLEAN ENERGY
SUPERPOWER OF THE 21st
CENTURY.
DONALD THINKS THAT
CLIMATE CHANGE IS A
HOAX PERPETRATED BY
THE CHINESE.
I THINK IT'S REAL.
>> I DID NOT.
>> SCIENCE IS REAL.
>> I DID NOT SAY THAT.
>> AND I THINK --
>> I DO NOT SAY THAT.
>> I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT THAT WE GRIP
THIS AND DEAL WITH IT
BOTH AT HOME AND
ABROAD AND HERE'S WHAT
WE CAN DO.
WE CAN DEPLOY A HALF A
BILLION MORE SOLAR
PANELS.
WE CAN HAVE ENOUGH
CLEAN ENERGY TO POWER
EVERY HOME.
WE CAN BUILD A NEW
MODERN ELECTRIC GRID.
THAT'S A LOT OF JOBS.
THAT'S A LOT OF NEW
ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.
SO I'VE TRIED TO BE
VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT
WHAT WE CAN AND SHOULD
DO AND I AM DETERMINED
THAT WE'RE GOING TO
GET THE ECONOMY REALLY
MOVING AGAIN.
BUILDING ON THE
PROGRESS WE'VE MADE
OVER THE LAST EIGHT
YEARS BUT NEVER GOING
BACK TO WHAT GOT US IN
TROUBLE IN THE FIRST
PLACE.
>> MR. TRUMP?
>> SHE TALKS ABOUT
SOLAR PANELS.
WE INVESTED IN A SOLAR
COMPANY, COUNTRY, THAT
WAS A DISASTER.
THEY LOST PLENTY OF
MONEY ON THAT ONE.
NOW, LOOK, I'M A GREAT
BELIEVER IN ALL FORMS
OF ENERGY, BUT WE'RE
PUTTING A LOT OF
PEOPLE OUT OF WORK.
OUR ENERGY POLICIES
ARE A DISASTER.
OUR COUNTRY IS LOSING
SO MUCH IN TERMS OF
ENERGY, IN TERMS OF
PAYING OFF OUR DEBT.
YOU CAN'T DO WHAT
YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO
WITH $20 TRILLION IN
DEBT.
THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION FROM
THE TIME THEY'VE COME
IN IS OVER 230 YEARS'
WORTH OF DEBT AND HE'S
TOPPED IT.
HE'S DOUBLED IT IN A
COURSE OF ALMOST EIGHT
YEARS.
7 1/2 YEARS TO BE
SEMI-EXACT.
SO I WILL TELL YOU
THIS.
WE HAVE TO DO A MUCH
BETTER JOB AT KEEPING
OUR JOBS AND WE HAVE
TO DO A MUCH BETTER
JOB AT GIVING
COMPANIES INCENTIVE TO
BUILD NEW COMPANIES OR
TO EXPAND BECAUSE
THEY'RE NOT DOING IT.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS
LOOK AT MICHIGAN, LOOK
AT OHIO AND LOOK AT
ALL OF THESE PLACES
WHERE SO MANY OF THEIR
JOBS AND THEIR
COMPANIES ARE JUST
LEAVING.
THEY'RE GONE.
AND HILLARY, I JUST
ASK YOU THIS, YOU'VE
BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30
YEARS.
WHY ARE YOU JUST
THINKING ABOUT THESE
SOLUTIONS RIGHT NOW?
FOR 30 YEARS YOU'VE
BEEN DOING IT AND NOW
YOU'RE JUST STARTING
TO THINK OF SOLUTIONS.
>> WELL, ACTUALLY --
>> I WILL BRING --
EXCUSE ANY.
I WILL BRING BACK
JOBS.
YOU CAN'T BRING BACK
JOBS.
>> WELL, ACTUALLY, I
HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT
THIS QUITE A BIT.
>> YEAH, FOR 30 YEARS.
>> I HAVE -- WELL, NOT
QUITE THAT LONG.
I THINK MY HUSBAND DID
A PRETTY GOOD JOB IN
THE 1990s.
I THINK A LOT ABOUT
WHAT WORKED AND HOW --
>> HE APPROVED NAFTA,
SINGLE WORST TRADE
DEAL APPROVED IN THE
COUNTRY.
>> INCOMES WENT UP FOR
EVERYBODY.
MANUFACTURING JOBS
WENT UP ALSO IN THE
1990s IF WE'RE GOING
IT LOOK AT THE FACTS.
WHEN I WAS IN THE
SENATE, I HAD A NUMBER
OF TRADE DEALS THAT
CAME BEFORE ME AND I
HELD THEM ALL TO THE
SAME TEST.
WILL THEY CREATE JOBS
IN AMERICA?
WILL THEY RAISE
INCOMES IN AMERICA?
AND ARE THEY GOOD FOR
OUR NATIONAL SECURITY?
SOME OF THEM I VOTED
FOR.
THE BIGGEST ONE, A
MULTINATIONAL ONE
KNOWN AS CAFTA, I
VOTED AGAINST AND
BECAUSE I HOLD THE
SAME STANDARDS AS I
LOOK AT ALL OF THESE
TRADE DEALS.
BUT LET'S NOT ASSUME
THAT TRADE IS THE ONLY
CHALLENGE WE HAVE IN
THE ECONOMY.
I THINK IT IS A PART
OF IT AND I'VE SAID
WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.
I'M GOING TO HAVE A
SPECIAL PROSECUTOR.
WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE
THE TRADE DEALS WE
HAVE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO
HOLD PEOPLE
ACCOUNTABLE.
WHEN I WAS SECRETARY
OF STATE, WE ACTUALLY
INCREASED AMERICAN
EXPORTS GLOBALLY 30%.
WE INCREASED THEM TO
CHINA 50%.
SO I KNOW HOW TO
REALLY WORK TO GET NEW
JOBS AND TO GET
EXPORTS THAT HELP TO
CREATE MORE NEW JOBS.
>> VERY QUICKLY --
>> YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT
IN 30 YEARS OR 26
YEARS.
>> I'VE BEEN A
SENATOR, DONALD.
>> YOU HAVEN'T DONE
IT.
YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT.
>> I'VE BEEN SECRETARY
OF STATE.
>> EXCUSE ME, YOUR
HUSBAND SIGNED NAFTA,
ONE OF THE WORST
THINGS THAT EVER
HAPPENED TO THE
MANUFACTURING
INDUSTRY.
>> THAT IS YOUR
OPINION.
>> YOU GO TO NEW
ENGLAND, GO TO OHIO,
PENNSYLVANIA, YOU GO
TO ANYWHERE YOU WANT,
SECRETARY CLINTON, AND
YOU WILL SEE
DEVASTATION WHERE
MANUFACTURERS DOWN
30%, 40%, SOMETIMES
50%.
NAFTA IS THE WORST
TRADE DEAL SIGNED
ANYWHERE, IN THIS
COUNTRY.
NOW YOU WANT TO
APPROVE TRANS-PACIFIC
PARTNERSHIP.
YOU WERE TOTALLY IN
FAVOR OF IT THEN HEARD
WHAT I WAS SAYING HOW
BAD IT IS AND SAID I
CAN'T WIN THAT DEBATE.
YOU KNOW IF YOU DID
WIN, YOU WOULD APPROVE
THAT AND ALMOST BE AS
BAD AS NAFTA.
NOTHING WILL TOP NANAFA.
>> THAT IS NOT
ACCURATE.
I WAS AGAINST IT ONCE
IT WAS FINALLY
NEGOTIATED.
THE TERMS WERE LAID
OUT.
I WROTE --
>> YOU CALLED IT THE
GOLD STANDARD.
YOU CALLED IT THE GOLD
STANDARD OF TRADE
DEALS.
SAID IT WAS THE FINEST
DEAL YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID
ABOUT IT AND YOU WERE
AGAINST IT.
>> DONALD, I KNOW YOU
LIVE IN YOUR OWN
REALITY --
>> OH, YEAH.
>> -- THAT IS NOT THE
FACTS.
I DID SAY, I HOPED IT
WOULD BE A GOOD DEAL.
WHEN IT WAS
NEGOTIATED --
>> NOT.
>> -- WHICH I WAS NOT
RESPONSIBLE FOR, I
CONCLUDED IT WASN'T.
I WROTE ABOUT THAT --
>> SO IS IT PRESIDENT
OBAMA'S FAULT?
IS IT PRESIDENT
OBAMA'S FAULT?
>> BEFORE YOU EVEN
ANNOUNCED.
LOOK, THERE ARE --
>> SECRETARY, IS IT
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S
FAULT?
>> THERE ARE
DIFFERENT --
>> BECAUSE HE'S
PUSHING IT.
>> THERE ARE DIFFERENT
VIEWS ABOUT WHAT'S
GOING FOR OUR COUNTRY,
OUR ECONOMY, AND OUR
LEADERSHIP IN THE
WORLD.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
TO LOOK AT WHAT WE
NEED TO DO TO GET THE
ECONOMY GOING AGAIN.
THAT'S WHY I SAID NEW
JOBS WITH RISING
INCOMES, INVESTMENTS.
NOT IN MORE TAX CUTS
THAT WOULD ADD $5
TRILLION TO THE DEBT.
>> BUT YOU HAVE NO
PLAN.
>> EDUCATE -- OH, I
DO.
>> SECRETARY, YOU HAVE
NO PLAN.
>> I'VE WRITTEN A BOOK
ABOUT IT.
IT'S CALLED \"STRONGER
TOGETHER.\"
PICK IT UP TOMORROW.
>> THAT'S ABOUT ALL --
>> AT A BOOKSTORE OR
AT AN AIRPORT NEAR
YOU.
>> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE
TO --
>> IT'S BECAUSE I SEE
THIS, WHEN NEED TO
HAVE STRONG GROWTH,
FAIR GROWTH, SUSTAINED
GROWTH.
WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK
AT HOW WE HELP
FAMILIES BALANCE THE
RESPONSIBILITIES AT
HOME AND THE
RESPONSIBILITIES AT
BUSINESS.
SO WE HAVE A VERY
ROBUST SET OF PLANS.
AND PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED
AT BOTH OF OUR PLANS,
HAVE CONCLUDED THAT
MINE WOULD CREATE 10
MILLION JOBS AND YOURS
WOULD LOSE US 3.5
MILLION JOBS AND
EXPLODE THE DEBT --
>> YOU ARE GOING TO
APPROVE ONE OF THE
BIGGEST TAX CUTS IN
HISTORY.
YOU'RE GOING TO
APPROVE ONE OF THE
BIGGEST TAX INCREASES
IN HISTORY.
YOU ARE GOING TO DRIVE
BUSINESS OUT.
YOUR REGULATIONS ARE A
DISASTER.
YOU'RE GOING TO
INCREASE REGULATIONS
ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BY THE WAY, MY TAX CUT
IS THE BIGGEST SINCE
RONALD REAGAN.
I'M VERY PROUD OF IT.
IT WILL CREATE
TREMENDOUS NUMBERS OF
NEW JOBS, BUT
REGULATIONS, YOU ARE
GOING TO REGULATE
THESE BUSINESSES OUT
OF EXISTENCE.
WHEN I GO AROUND,
LESTER, I TELL YOU
THIS, I'VE BEEN ALL
OVER, AND WHEN I GO
AROUND, DESPITE THE
TAX CUT, THE THINGS
THAT BUSINESSES AND
PEOPLE LIKE THE MOST
IS THE FACT THAT I'M
CUTTING REGULATION.
YOU HAVE REGULATIONS
ON TOP OF REGULATIONS,
AND NEW COMPANIES
CANNOT FORM AND OLD
COMPANIES ARE GOING
OUT OF BUSINESS AND
YOU WANT TO INCREASE
THE REGULATIONS AND
MAKE THEM EVEN WORSE.
I'M GOING TO CUT
REGULATIONS.
I'M GOING TO CUT TAXES
BIG LEAGUE AND YOU'RE
GOING TO RAISE TAXES
BIG LEAGUE.
END OF STORY.
>> LET ME GET YOU TO
PAUSE RIGHT THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE
INTO THE NEXT SEGMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK --
>> THAT CAN'T BE
LEFT --
>> PLEASE, TAKE 30
SECONDS.
>> I KIND OF ASSUMED
THAT THERE WOULD BE A
LOT OF THESE CHARGES
AND CLAIMS AND SO --
>> FACTS.
>> -- WE HAVE TAKEN
THE HOME PAGE OF MY
WEBSITE,
HILLARYCLINTON.COM AND
TURNED IT INTO A FACT
CHECKER SO IF YOU WANT
TO SEE IN REALTIME
WHAT THE FACTS ARE,
PLEASE GO AND TAKE A
LOOK.
BECAUSE --
>> AND TAKE A LOOK AT
MINE ALSO AND YOU'LL
SEE.
>> WILL NOT ADD A
PENNY TO THE DEBT AND
YOUR PLANS WOULD ADD
$5 TRILLION TO THE
DEBT.
WHAT I HAVE PROPOSED
WOULD CUT REGULATIONS
AND STREAMLINE THEM
FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
WHAT I HAVE PROPOSED
WOULD BE PAID FOR BY
RAISING TAXES ON THE
WEALTHY BECAUSE THEY
HAVE MADE ALL THE
GAINS IN THE ECONOMY
AND I THINK IT'S TIME
THAT THE WEALTHY AND
CORPORATIONS PAID
THEIR FAIR SHARE TO
SUPPORT THIS COUNTRY.
>> YOU JUST OPENED THE
NEXT SEGMENT.
>> COULD I JUST FINISH
THAT?
I THINK I SHOULD.
YOU GO TO HER WEBSITE
AND TAKE A LOOK AT HER
WEBSITE, SHE'S GOING
TO RAISE TAXES $1.3
TRILLION.
>> MR. TRUMP --
>> AND LOOK AT HER
WEBSITE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NO
DIFFERENT THAN THIS.
SHE'S TELLING US HOW
TO FIGHT ISIS.
GO TO HER WEBSITE.
SHE TELLS YOU HOW TO
FIGHT ISIS ON HER
WEBSITE.
I DON'T THINK GENERAL
DOUGLAS MacARTHUR
WOULD LIKE THAT TOO
MUCH.
>> THE NEXT SEGMENT --
>> AT LEAST I HAVE A
PLAN TO FIGHT ISIS.
>> NO, NO, YOU'RE
TELLING THE ENEMY
EVERYTHING I WANT TO
DO.
>> NO, WE'RE NOT.
>> SEE, YOU TELLING
THE ENEMY EVERYTHING
YOU WANT TO DO.
NO WONDER YOU'VE,
FIGHTING -- NO WONDER
YOU'VE BEEN FIGHTING
ISIS YOUR ENTIRE ADULT
LIFE.
>> THAT'S A -- GO TO
THE -- PLEASE, THE
FACT CHECKERS, GET TO
WORK.
>> YOU ARE UNPACKING A
LOT HERE.
WE'RE STILL ON THE
ISSUE OF ACHIEVING
PROSPERITY.
AND I WANT TO TALK
ABOUT TAXES.
THE FUNDAMENTAL
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
TWO OF YOU CONCERNS
THE WEALTHY.
SECRETARY CLINTON,
YOU'RE CALLING FOR A
TAX INCREASE ON THE
WEALTHIEST AMERICANS.
I'D LIKE YOU TO
FURTHER DEFEND THAT.
MR. TRUMP, YOU'RE
CALLING FOR TAX CUTS
FOR THE WEALTHY.
I'D LIKE YOU TO DEFEND
THAT.
THE NEXT TWO-MINUTE
ANSWER GOES TO YOU,
MR. TRUMP.
>> I'M CALLING FOR
MAJOR JOBS.
THE WEALTHY ARE GOING
TO CREATE TREMENDOUS
JOBS.
GOING TO EXPAND THEIR
COMPANIES, THEY'RE
GOING TO DO A
TREMENDOUS JOB.
I'M GETTING RID OF THE
INTEREST PROVISION AND
IF YOU REALLY LOOK,
IT'S NOT A TAX -- IT'S
REALLY NOT A GREAT
THING FOR THE WEALTHY.
IT'S A GREAT THING FOR
MIDDLE CLASS.
IT'S A GREAT THING FOR
COMPANIES TO EXPAND.
AND WHEN THESE PEOPLE
ARE GOING TO PUT
BILLIONS AND BILLIONS
OF DOLLARS INTO
COMPANIES AND WHEN
THEY'RE GOING TO BRING
$2.5 TRILLION BACK
FROM OVERSEAS, WHERE
THEY CAN'T BRING THE
MONEY BACK BECAUSE
POLITICIANS LIKE
SECRETARY CLINTON
WON'T ALLOW THEM TO
BRING THE MONEY BACK
BECAUSE THE TAXES ARE
SO ONEROUS, AND THE
BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE,
SO WHAT -- IS SO BAD.
WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS
LEAVING OUR COUNTRY
AND THEY'RE, BELIEVE
IT OR NOT, LEAVING
BECAUSE TAXES ARE TOO
HIGH AND BECAUSE SOME
OF THEM HAVE LOTS OF
MONEY OUTSIDE OF OUR
COUNTRY AND INSTEAD OF
BRINGING IT BACK AND
PUTTING THE MONEY TO
WORK BECAUSE THEY
CAN'T WORK OUT A DEAL
TO, AND EVERYBODY
AGREES IT SHOULD BE
BROUGHT BACK, INSTEAD
OF THAT, THEY'RE
LEAVING OUR COUNTRY TO
GET THEIR MONEY
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T
BRING THEIR MONEY BACK
INTO OUR COUNTRY
BECAUSE OF
BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET
TOGETHER.
BECAUSE WE HAVE A
PRESIDENT THAT CAN'T
SIT THEM AROUND A
TABLE AND GET THEM TO
APPROVE SOMETHING AND
HERE'S THE THING,
REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS AGREE THAT
THIS SHOULD BE DONE.
$2.5 TRILLION.
I HAPPEN TO THINK IT'S
DOUBLE THAT.
PROBABLY $5 TRILLION
THAT WE CAN BRING INTO
OUR COUNTRY, LESTER,
AND WITH A LITTLE
LEADERSHIP YOU'D GET
IT IN HERE VERY
QUICKLY AND IT COULD
BE PUT TO USE ON THE
INNER CITIES AND LOTS
OF OTHER THINGS AND IT
WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL BUT
WE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP
AND HONESTLY, THAT
STARTS WITH SECRETARY
CLINTON.
>> ALL RIGHT.
YOU HAVE IS TWO
MINUTES OF THE SAME
QUESTION TO DEFEND TAX
INCREASES ON THE
WEALTHIEST AMERICANS,
SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> I HAVE A FEELING BY
THE END OF THIS
EVENING I'M GOING TO
BE BLAMED FOR
EVERYTHING THAT'S EVER
HAPPENED.
>> WHY NOT.
>> WHY NOT, YEAH.
WHY NOT.
YOU KNOW, JUST JOIN
THE DEBATE BY SAYING
MORE CRAZY THINGS.
NOW --
>> HEY, THERE'S
NOTHING CRAZY ABOUT
NOT LETTING OUR
COMPANIES BRING THEIR
MONEY BACK INTO THEIR
COUNTRY.
>> THIS IS SECRETARY
CLINTON'S TWO MINUTES,
PLEASE.
>> YES.
>> WELL, LET'S START
THE CLOCK AGAIN,
LESTER.
WE'VE LOOKED AT YOUR
TAX PROPOSALS.
I DON'T SEE CHANGES IN
THE CORPORATE TAX
RATES OR THE KINDS OF
PROPOSALS YOU'RE
REFERRING TO THAT
WOULD CAUSE THE
REPATEUATION.
>> YOU DIDN'T READ IT.
>> I HAPPEN TO SUPPORT
THAT IN A WAY THAT
WILL ACTUALLY WORK TO
OUR BENEFIT.
BUT WHEN I LOOK AT
WHAT YOU HAVE
PROPOSED, YOU HAVE
WHAT IS CALLED NOW THE
TRUMP LOOPHOLE BECAUSE
IT WOULD SO ADVANTAGE
YOU AND THE BUSINESS
YOU DO.
YOU'VE PROPOSED --
>> WHO GAVE IT THAT
NAME?
THE FIRST EVER -- WHO
GAVE IT THAT --
>> THIS IS SECRETARY
CLINTON'S --
>> $4 BILLION TAX
BENEFIT FOR YOUR
FAMILY.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK
AT --
>> HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH?
LESTER, HOW MUCH?
>> IT S AS I SAID,
TRUMPED UP TRICKLE
DOWN.
TRICKLE DOWN DID NOT
WORK.
IT GOT US INTO THE
MESS WE WERE IN 2008
AND 2009.
SLASHING TAXES ON THE
WEALTHY HASN'T WORKED,
AND A LOT OF REALLY
SMART WEALTHY PEOPLE
KNOW THAT.
AND THEY ARE SAYING,
HEY, WE NEED TO DO
MORE TO MAKE THE
CONTRIBUTIONS WE
SHOULD BE MAKING TO
REBUILD THE MIDDLE
CLASS.
I DON'T THINK TOP-DOWN
WORKS IN AMERICA.
I THINK BUILDING THE
MIDDLE CLASS,
INVESTING IN THE
MIDDLE CLASS, MAKING
COLLEGE DEBT FREE SO
MORE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN
GET THEIR EDUCATION.
HELPING PEOPLE
REFINANCE THEIR TAX --
THEIR DEBT FROM
COLLEGE AT A LOWER
RATE.
THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF
THINGS THAT WILL
REALLY BOOST THE
ECONOMY.
BROAD-BASED INCLUSIVE
GROWTH IS WHAT WE NEED
IN AMERICA.
NOT MORE ADVANTAGES
FOR PEOPLE AT THE VERY
TOP.
>> MR. TRUMP --
>> TYPICAL POLITICIAN.
ALL TALK, NO ACTION.
SOUNDS GOOD, DOESN'T
WORK.
NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
OUR COUNTRY IS
SUFFERING BECAUSE
PEOPLE LIKE SECRETARY
CLINTON HAVE MADE SUCH
BAD DECISIONS IN TERMS
OF OUR JOBS, AND IN
TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING
ON.
NOW, LOOK, WE HAVE THE
WORST REVIVAL OF AN
ECONOMY SINCE THE
GREAT DEPRESSION, AND
BELIEVE ME, WE'RE IN A
BUBBLE RIGHT NOW AND
THE ONLY THING THAT
LOOKS GOOD IS THE
STOCK MARKET, BUT IF
YOU RAISE INTEREST
RATES EVEN A LITTLE
BIT, THAT'S GOING TO
COME CRASHING DOWN.
WE ARE IN A BIG, FAT,
UGLY BUBBLE, AND WE
BETTER BE AWFULLY
CAREFUL AND WE HAVE A
FED THAT'S DOING
POLITICAL THINGS.
THIS JANET YELLEN OF
THE FED, THE FED IS
DOING POLITICAL BY
KEEPING THE INTEREST
RATES AT THIS LEVEL,
AND BELIEVE ME, THE
DAY OBAMA GOES OFF AND
HE LEAVES AND GOES OUT
TO THE GOLF COURSE FOR
THE REST OF HIS LIFE
TO PLAY GOLF, WHEN
THEY RAISE INTEREST
RATES, YOU'RE GOING TO
SEE SOME VERY BAD
THINGS HAPPEN BECAUSE
THE FED IS NOT DOING
THEIR JOB.
THE FED IS BEING MORE
POLITICAL THAN
SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> MR. TRUMP, WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE
BURDEN THAT AMERICANS
HAVE TO FAY, YET YOU
HAVE NOT RELEASED YOUR
TAX RETURNS AND THE
REASON NOMINEES HAVE
RELEASED THEIR RETURNS
FOR DECADES IS SO
VOTERS WILL KNOW IF
THEIR POTENTIAL
PRESIDENT OWES MONEY
TO, WHO HE OWES IT TO
AND ANY BUSINESS
CONFLICTS.
DON'T AMERICANS HAVE A
RIGHT TO KNOW IF THERE
ARE ANY CONFLICTS OF
INTEREST?
>> I DON'T MIND
RELEASING.
I'M UNDER A ROUTINE
AUDIT.
IT WILL BE RELEASED.
AS SOON AS THE AUDIT
IS FINISHED, IT WILL
BE RELEASED.
YOU WILL LEARN MORE
ABOUT DONALD TRUMP BY
GOING DOWN TO THE
FEDERAL ELECTIONS
WHERE I FILED A
104-PAGE, ESSENTIALLY,
FINANCIALLY SAPEN OF
SORTS, FORMS THEY
HAVE.
IT SHOWS INCOME.
THE INCOME, I JUST
LOOKED TODAY, THE
INCOME IS FILED AT
$694 MILLION FOR THIS
PAST YEAR.
$694 MILLION.
IF YOU WOULD HAVE TOLD
ME I WAS GOING TO MAKE
THAT 15 OR 20 YEARS
AGO, I WOULD HAVE BEEN
VERY SURPRISED.
THAT'S THE KIND OF
THINKING OUR COUNTRY
NEEDS.
WHEN WE HAVE A COUNTRY
THAT'S GOING SO BADLY,
THAT'S BEING RIPPED
OFF BY EVERY SINGLE
COUNTRY IN THE WORLD,
IT'S THE KIND OF
THINKING THAT OUR
COUNTRY NEEDS BECAUSE
EVERYBODY -- LESTER,
WE HAVE A TRADE
DEFICIT WITH ALL OF
THE COUNTRIES THAT WE
DO BUSINESS WITH OF
ALMOST $800 BILLION A
YEAR.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS?
THAT MEANS WHO'S
NEGOTIATING THESE
TRADE DEALS?
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT
ARE POLITICAL HACKS
NEGOTIATING OUR TRADE
DEALS.
>> THE IRS SAYS AN
AUDIT OF YOUR TAXES --
YOU'RE PERFECTLY FREE
TO RELEASE YOUR TAXES
DURING AN AUDIT.
SO THE QUESTION, DOES
THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO
KNOW OUTWEIGH YOUR
PERSONAL --
>> WELL, I TOLD YOU, I
WILL RELEASE THEM AS
SOON AS THE AUDIT --
LOOK, I'VE BEEN UNDER
AUDIT ALMOST FOR 15
YEARS.
I KNOW A LOT OF
WEALTHY PEOPLE THAT
HAVE NEVER BEEN
AUDITED.
I SAID, DO YOU GET
AUDITED?
I GET AUDITED ALMOST
EVERY YEAR.
AND IN A WAY, I SHOULD
BE COMPLAINING.
I'M NOT EVEN
COMPLAINING.
I DON'T MIND IT.
IT'S ALMOST BECOME A
WAY OF LIFE.
I GET AUDITED BY THE
IRS.
OTHER PEOPLE DON'T.
I WILL SAY THIS.
WE HAVE A SITUATION IN
THIS COUNTRY THAT HAS
TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
I WILL RELEASE MY TAX
RETURNS AGAINST MY
LAWYER'S WISHES.
WHEN SHE RELEASES HER
33,000 E-MAILS THAT
HAVE BEEN DELETED.
AS SOON AS SHE
RELEASES THEM, I WILL
RELEASE -- I WILL
RELEASE MY TAX RETURNS
AND THAT'S AGAINST, MY
LAWYERS THEY SAY DON'T
DO IT.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS.
IN FACT, WATCHING
SHOWS, READING THE
PAPERS, ALMOST EVERY
LAWYER SAYS YOU DON'T
RELEASE YOUR RETURNS
UNTIL THE AUDIT'S
COMPLETE.
WHEN THE AUDIT'S
COMPLETE, I'LL DO IT
BUT I WOULD GO AGAINST
THEM IF SHE RELEASES
HER E-MAILS
>> SO IT'S NEGOTIABLE?
>> IT'S NOT
NEGOTIABLE, NO, LET
HER RELEASE -- WHY DID
SHE DELETE 33,000 --
>> I'LL LET HER ANSWER
THAT.
LET ME ADMONISH THE
AUDIENCE ONE MORE
TIME.
THERE WAS AN
AGREEMENT, WE ASKED
YOU TO BE SILENT.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL
FOR US.
SECRETARY CLINTON?
>> I THINK YOU'VE SEEN
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF
BAIT AND SWITCH HERE.
FOR 40 YEARS, EVERYONE
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT
HAS RELEASED THEIR TAX
RETURNS.
YOU CAN GO AND SEE
NEARLY, I THINK, 39,
40 YEARS OF OUR TAX
RETURNS, BUT EVERYONE
HAS DONE IT.
WE KNOW THE IRS HAS
MADE CLEAR THERE IS NO
PROHIBITION ON
RELEASING IT WHEN
YOU'RE UNDER AUDIT.
SO YOU'VE GOT TO ASK
YOURSELF, WHY WON'T HE
RELEASE HIS TAX
RETURNS?
AND I THINK THERE MAY
BE A COUPLE OF
REASONS.
FIRST, MAYBE HE'S NOT
AS RICH AS HE SAYS HE
IS.
SECOND, MAYBE HE'S NOT
AS CHARITABLE AS HE
CLAIMS TO BE.
THIRD, WE DON'T KNOW
ALL OF HIS BUSINESS
DEALINGS, BUT WE HAVE
BEEN TOLD THROUGH
INVESTIGATIVE
REPORTING THAT HE OWES
ABOUT $650 MILLION TO
WALL STREET AND
FOREIGN BANKS.
OR MAYBE HE DOESN'T
WANT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE, ALL OF YOU
WATCHING TONIGHT, TO
KNOW THAT HE'S PAID
NOTHING IN FEDERAL
TAXES BECAUSE THE ONLY
YEARS THAT ANYBODY'S
EVER SEEN WERE A
COUPLE OF YEARS WHEN
HE HAD TO TURN THEM
OVER TO STATE
AUTHORITIES WHEN HE
WAS TRYING TO GET A
CASINO LICENSE AND
THEY SHOWED HE DIDN'T
PAY ANY FEDERAL INCOME
TAX.
>> THAT MAKES ME
SMART.
>> IF HE'S PAID ZERO,
THAT MEANS ZERO FOR
TROOPS, ZERO FOR VETS,
ZERO FOR SCHOOLS OR
HEALTH, AND I THINK
PROBABLY HE'S NOT ALL
THAT ENTHUSIASTIC
ABOUT HAVING THE REST
OF OUR COUNTRY SEE
WHAT THE REAL REASONS
ARE BECAUSE IT MUST BE
SOMETHING REALLY
IMPORTANT, EVEN
TERRIBLE THAT HE'S
TRYING TO HIDE.
AND THE FINANCIAL
DISCLOSURE STATEMENT,
THEY DON'T GIVE YOU
THE TAX RATE.
THEY DON'T GIVE YOU
ALL THE DETAILS THAT
TAX RETURNS WOULD.
AND IT JUST SEEMS TO
ME THAT THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE
DESERVE TO SEE AND I
HAVE NO REASON TO
BELIEVE THAT HE'S EVER
GOING TO RELEASE HIS
TAX RETURNS BECAUSE
THERE'S SOMETHING HE'S
HIDING.
ANDGUESSING AT WHAT
IT MIGHT BE THAT HE'S
HIDING BUT I THINK THE
QUESTION IS WERE HE
EVER TO GET NEAR THE
WHITE HOUSE, WHAT
WOULD BE THOSE
CONFLICTS?
WHO DOES HE OWE MONEY
TO?
WELL, HE OWES YOU THE
ANSWERS TO THAT.
AND HE SHOULD PROVIDE
THEM.
>> HE ALSO -- HE ALSO
RAISED THE ISSUE OF
YOUR E-MAILS.
YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO
THAT?
>> I DO.
YOU KNOW, I MADE A
MISTAKE USING A
PRIVATE E-MAIL.
>> THAT'S FOR SURE.
>> AND IF I HAD TO DO
IT OVER AGAIN, I WOULD
OBVIOUSLY DO IT
DIFFERENTLY, BUT I'M
NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY
EXCUSES.
IT WAS A MISTAKE AND I
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY
FOR THAT.
>> MR. TRUMP?
>> THAT WAS MORE THAN
A MISTAKE.
THAT WAS DONE
PURPOSELY.
OKAY?
THAT WAS NOT A
MISTAKE.
THAT WAS DONE
PURPOSELY.
WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR
STAFF TAKING THE 5th
AMENDMENT, TAKING THE
5th SO THEY'RE NOT
PROSECUTED, WHEN YOU
HAVE THE MAN THAT SET
UP THE ILLEGAL SERVER
TAKING THE 5th, I
THINK IT'S DISGRACEFUL
AND BELIEVE ME, THIS
COUNTRY THINKS IT'S --
REALLY THINKS IT'S
DISGRACEFUL ALSO.
AS FAR AS MY TAX
RETURNS, YOU DON'T
LEARN THAT MUCH FROM
TAX RETURNS.
THAT I CAN TELL YOU.
YOU LEARN A LOT FROM
FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE.
AND YOU SHOULD GO DOWN
AND TAKE A LOOK AT
THAT.
THE OTHER THING, I'M
EXTREMELY
UNDERLEVERAGED.
THE REPORT THAT SAID
$650 MILLION WHICH, BY
THE WAY, A LOT OF
FRIENDS OF MINE THAT
KNOW MY BUSINESS SAYS
BOY, THAT'S NOT A LOT
OF MONEY RELATIVE TO
WHAT I HAD.
THE BUILDINGS THAT
WERE IN QUESTION, THEY
SAID IN THE SAME
REPORT WHICH WAS
ACTUALLY IT WASN'T
EVEN A BAD STORY, TO
BE HONEST WITH YOU,
BUT THE BUILDINGS ARE
WORTH $3.9 BILLION.
THE $650 ISN'T EVEN ON
THAT.
IT'S NOT $650.
IT'S MUCH LESS THAN
THAT.
I CAN GIVE YOU A LIST
OF BANKS IF THAT WOULD
HELP YOU.
I CAN GIVE YOU A LIST
OF BANKS, VERY FINE
INSTITUTIONS, VERY
FINE BANKS.
I COULD DO THAT VERY
QUICKLY.
I'M VERY
UNDERLEVERAGED.
I HAVE A GREAT
COMPANY.
I HAVE A TREMENDOUS
INCOME.
THE REASON I SAY THAT
IS NOT IN A
BRAGEDOSIOUS WAY.
IT'S ABOUT TIME THIS
COUNTRY HAS SOMEBODY
RUNNING IT THAT HAS AN
IDEA ABOUT MONEY.
WHEN WE HAVE $20
TRILLION IN DEBT AND
OUR COUNTRY'S A MESS,
YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE
THING TO HAVE $20
TRILLION IN DEBT AND
OUR ROIDS ARE GOOD AND
OUR BRIDGES ARE GOOD
AND EVERYTHING'S IN
GREAT SHAPE, OUR
AIRPORTS -- OUR ARNT
AIRPORTS ARE LIKE FROM
A THIRD-WORLD COUNTRY.
YOU LAND AT LaGUARDIA,
LAND AT KENNEDY, LAND
AT L.A.X., LAND AT
NEWARK AND COME IN
FROM DUBAI AND QATAR,
COME IN FROM CHINA,
YOU SEE THESE
INCREDIBLE AIRPORTS
AND YOU LAND -- WE'VE
BECOME A THIRD-WORLD
COUNTRY.
SO, THE WORST OF ALL
THINGS HAS HAPPENED.
WE OWE $20 TRILLION
AND WE'RE A MESS.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN
STARTED.
AND WE'VE SPENT $6
TRILLION IN THE MIDDLE
EAST ACCORDING TO A
REPORT THAT I JUST
SAW.
WHETHER IT'S $6
TRILLION OR $5
TRILLION, LOOKS LIKE
IT'S $6 TRILLION.
$6 TRILLION IN THE
MIDDLE EAST, WE COULD
HAVE REBUILT OUR
COUNTRIES TWICE.
IT'S REALLY A SHAME.
IT'S POLITICIANS LIKE
SECRETARY CLINTON THAT
HAVE CAUSED THIS
PROBLEM.
OUR COUNTRY HAS
TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS.
WE'RE A DEBTOR NATION.
WE'RE A SERIOUS DEBTOR
NATION.
AND WE HAVE A COUNTRY
THAT NEEDS NEW ROADS,
NEW TUNNELS, NEW
BRIDGES, NEW AIRPORTS,
NEW SCHOOLS, NEW
HOSPITALS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE
MONEY BECAUSE IT'S
BEEN SQUANDERED ON SO
MANY OF YOUR IDEAS.
>> LET YOU RESPOND --
>> MAYBE BECAUSE YOU
HAVEN'T PAID ANY
FEDERAL INCOME TAX FOR
A LOT OF YEARS AND THE
OTHER THING I THINK IS
IMPORTANT --
>> IT WOULD BE
SQUANDERED, TOO,
BELIEVE ME.
>> -- IS IF YOUR MAIN
CLAIM TO BE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES
IS YOUR BUSINESS, THEN
I THINK WE SHOULD TALK
ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, YOUR
CAMPAIGN MANAGER SAID
THAT YOU BUILT A LOT
OF BUSINESSES ON THE
BACKS OF LITTLE GUYS,
AND INDEED, I HAVE MET
A LOT OF THE PEOPLE
WHO WERE STIFFED BY
YOU AND YOUR
BUSINESSES, DONALD.
I'VE MET DISHWASHERS,
PAINTERS, ARCHITECTS,
GLASS INSTALLERS,
MARBLE INSTALLERS,
DRAPERY INSTALLERS
LIKE MY DAD WAS, WHO
YOU REFUSED TO PAY
WHEN THEY FINISHED THE
WORK THAT YOU ASKED
THEM TO DO.
WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT
IN THE AUDIENCE WHO
DESIGNED ONE OF YOUR
CLUBHOUSES AT ONE OF
YOUR GOLF COURSES.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL
FACILITY.
IT IMMEDIATELY WAS PUT
TO USE.
AND YOU WOULDN'T PAY
WHAT THE MAN NEEDED TO
BE PAID WHAT HE WAS
CHARGING YOU --
>> MAYBE HE DIDN'T DO
A GOOD JOB AND I WAS
UNSATISFIED WITH HIS
WORK WHICH OUR COUNTRY
SHOULD DO, TOO.
>> THE THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE
STIFFED OVER THE
COURSE OF YOUR
BUSINESS NOT DESERVE
SOME KIND OF APOLOGY
FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS
TAKEN THEIR LABOR,
TAKEN THE GOODS THAT
THEY PRODUCED AND THEN
REFUSED TO PAY THEM?
I CAN ONLY SAY THAT
I'M CERTAINLY RELIEVED
THAT MY LATE FATHER
NEVER DID BUSINESS
WITH YOU.
HE PROVIDED A GOOD
MIDDLE CLASS LIFE FOR
US, BUT THE PEOPLE HE
WORKED FOR, HE
EXPECTED THE BARGAIN
TO BE KEPT ON BOTH
SIDES.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
YOUR BUSINESS, YOU'VE
TAKEN BUSINESS
BANKRUPTCY SIX TIMES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF
GREAT BUSINESSPEOPLE
THAT HAVE NEVER TAKEN
BANKRUPTCY ONCE.
YOU CALL YOURSELF THE
KING OF DEBT.
YOU TALK ABOUT
LEVERAGE.
YOU EVEN AT ONE TIME
SUGGESTED THAT YOU
WOULD TRY TO NEGOTIATE
DOWN THE --
>> WRONG.
>> -- NATIONAL DEBT OF
THE UNITED STATES.
>> WRONG.
>> WELL, SOMETIMES
THERE'S NOT A DIRECT
TRANSFER OF SKILLS
FROM BUSINESS TO
GOVERNMENT, BUT
SOMETIMES WHAT
HAPPENED IN BUSINESS
WOULD BE REALLY BAD
FOR GOVERNMENT.
>> LET'S LET MR.
TRUMP --
>> WE NEED TO BE VERY
CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
>> I DO THINK IT'S
TIME.
LOOK, IT'S ALL WORDS.
IT'S ALL SOUND BITES.
I BUILT AN
UNBELIEVABLE COMPANY.
SOME OF THE GREATEST
ASSETS ANYWHERE IN THE
WORLD, REAL ESTATE
ASSETS ANYWHERE IN THE
WORLD BEYOND THE
UNITED STATES.
IN EUROPE, LOTS OF
DIFFERENT PLACES.
IT'S AN UNBELIEVABLE
COMPANY, BUT ON
OCCASION, FOUR TIMES,
WE USED CERTAIN LAWS
THAT ARE THERE AND
WHEN SECRETARY CLINTON
TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE
THAT DIDN'T GET PAID,
FIRST OF ALL, THEY DID
GET PAID A LOT, BUT
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF
THE LAWS OF THE
NATION.
NOW, IF YOU WANT TO
CHANGE THE LAWS,
YOU'VE BEEN THERE A
LONG TIME, CHANGE THE
LAW.
BUT I TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF THE LAWS OF THE
NATION BECAUSE I'M
RUNNING A COMPANY, MY
OBLIGATION RIGHT NOW
IS TO DO WELL FOR
MYSELF, MY FAMILY, MY
EMPLOYEES, FOR MY
COMPANIES AND THAT'S
WHAT I DO.
BUT WHAT SHE DOESN'T
SAY IS THAT TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
THAT ARE UNBELIEVABLY
HAPPY AND THEY LOVE
ME.
I'LL GIVE YOU AN
EXAMPLE.
WE'RE JUST OPENING UP
ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE
RIGHT NEXT TO THE
WHITE HOUSE, SO IF I
DON'T GET THERE ONE
WAY, I'M GOING TO GET
TO PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE
ANOTHER.
BUT WE'RE OPENING THE
OLD POST OFFICE.
UNDER BUDGET, AHEAD OF
SCHEDULE.
SAVED TREMENDOUS
MONEY.
I'M A YEAR AHEAD OF
SCHEDULE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS
COUNTRY SHOULD BE
DOING.
WE BUILD ROADS AND
THEY COST TWO, THREE,
FOUR TIMES WHAT
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO
COST.
WE BUY PRODUCTS FOR
OUR MILITARY AND COME
AT COSTS THAT ARE SO
FAR ABOVE WHAT THEY'RE
SUPPOSED TO BE BECAUSE
WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE
THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE
DOING.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE
BUDGET, THE BUDGET IS
BAD TO A LARGE EXTENT
BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE
THAT HAVE NO IDEA AS
TO WHAT TO DO AND HOW
TO BUY.
THE TRUMP
INTERNATIONAL IS WAY
UNDERBUDGET AND WAY
AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO
DO THAT FOR OUR
COUNTRY.
>> WE'RE WELL BEHIND
SCHEDULE, SO I WANT TO
MOVE TO OUR NEXT
SEGMENT.
WE MOVE INTO OUR NEXT
SEGMENT TALKING ABOUT
AMERICA'S DIRECTION.
LET'S START BY TALKING
ABOUT RACE.
A SHARE OF AMERICANS
WHO SAY RACE RELATIONS
ARE BAD IN THIS
COUNTRY IS THE HIGHEST
IT'S BEEN IN DECADES.
MUCH OF IT AMPLIFIED
BY SHOOTINGS OF
AFRICAN-AMERICANS BY
POLICE.
AS WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY
IN CHARLOTTE AND
TULSA.
RACE HAS BEEN A BIG
ISSUE IN THIS
CAMPAIGN, AND ONE OF
YOU IS GOING TO HAVE
TO BRIDGE A VERY WIDE
AND BITTER GAP.
SO HOW DO YOU HEAL THE
DIVIDE?
SECRETARY CLINTON, YOU
GET TWO MINUTE MINUTES
ON THIS.
>> WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT.
RACE REMAINS A
SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE
IN OUR COUNTRY.
UNFORTUNATELY, RACE
STILL DETERMINES TOO
MUCH.
OFTEN DETERMINES WHERE
PEOPLE LIVE,
DETERMINES WHAT KIND
OF EDUCATION IN THEIR
PUBLIC SCHOOLS THEY
CAN GET, AND, YES, IT
DETERMINES HOW THEY'RE
TREATED IN THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM.
WE'VE JUST SEEN THOSE
TWO TRAGIC EXAMPLES IN
BOTH TULSA AND
CHARLOTTE.
AND WE'VE GOT TO DO
SEVERAL THINGS AT THE
SAME TIME.
WE HAVE TO RESTORE
TRUST BETWEEN
COMMUNITIES AND THE
POLICE.
WE HAVE TO WORK TO
MAKE SURE THAT OUR
POLICE ARE USING THE
BEST TRAINING, THE
BEST TECHNIQUES, THAT
THEY'RE WELL PREPARED
TO USE FORCE ONLY WHEN
NECESSARY.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE
RESPECTED BY THE LAW
AND EVERYONE SHOULD
RESPECT THE LAW.
RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT
THE CASE IN A LOT OF
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I HAVE EVER SINCE
THE FIRST DAY OF MY
CAMPAIGN CALLED FOR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM.
I'VE LAID OUT A
PLATFORM THAT I THINK
WOULD BEGIN TO REMEDY
SOME OF THE PROBLEMS
WE HAVE IN THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM, BUT WE ALSO
HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IN
ADDITION TO THE
CHALLENGES THAT WE
FACE WITH POLICING,
THERE ARE SO MANY
GOOD, BRAVE POLICE
OFFICERS WHO EQUALLY
WANT REFORM.
SO WE HAVE TO BRING
COMMUNITIES TOGETHER
IN ORDER TO BEGIN
WORKING ON THAT AS A
MUTUAL GOAL.
AND WE'VE GOT TO GET
GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS
OF PEOPLE WHO SHOULD
NOT HAVE THEM.
THE GUN EPIDEMIC IS
THE LEADING CAUSE OF
DEATH OF YOUNG
AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEN.
MORE THAN THE NEXT
NINE CAUSES PUT
TOGETHER.
SO WE HAVE TO DO TWO
THINGS AS I SAID.
WE HAVE TO RESTORE
TRUST.
WE HAVE TO WORK WITH
THE POLICE.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE
THEY RESPECT THE
COMMUNITIES AND THE
COMMUNITIES RESPECT
THEM.
AND WE HAVE TO TACKLE
THE PLAGUE OF GUN
VIOLENCE WHICH IS A
BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO A
LOT OF THE PROBLEMS
THAT WE'RE SEEING
TODAY.
>> ALL RIGHT, MR.
TRUMP, YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES.
HOW DO YOU HEAL THE
DIVIDE?
>> FIRST OF ALL,
SECRETARY CLINTON
DOESN'T WANT TO USE A
COUPLE OF WORDS AND
THAT'S LAW AND ORDER.
WE NEED LAW AND ORDER.
IF WE DON'T HAVE IT,
WE'RE NOT GOING TO
HAVE A COUNTRY, AND
WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT'S
GOING ON IN CHARLOTTE,
A CITY I LOVE, A CITY
WHERE I HAVE
INVESTMENTS, WHEN I
LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING
ON THROUGHOUT VARIOUS
PARTS OF OUR COUNTRY,
WHETHER IT'S -- I
MEAN, I CAN JUST KEEP
NAMING THEM ALL DAY
LONG.
WE NEED LAW AND ORDER
IN OUR COUNTRY AND I
JUST GOT TODAY THE, AS
YOU KNOW, THE
ENDORSEMENT OF THE
FRATERNAL ORDER OF
POLICE.
JUST CAME IN.
WE HAVE ENDORSEMENTS
FROM, I THINK, ALMOST
EVERY POLICE GROUP,
VERY -- I MEAN, A
LARGE PERCENTAGE OF
THEM IN THE UNITED
STATES.
WE HAVE A SITUATION
WHERE WE HAVE OUR
INNER CITIES,
AFRICAN-AMERICANS,
HISPANICS, ARE LIVING
IN HELL BECAUSE IT'S
SO DANGEROUS.
YOU WALK DOWN THE
STREET, YOU GET SHOT.
IN CHICAGO, THEY'VE
HAD THOUSANDS OF
SHOOTINGS, THOUSANDS
SINCE JANUARY 1st.
THOUSANDS OF
SHOOTINGS.
I SAY, WHERE IS THIS?
IS THIS A WAR-TORN
COUNTRY?
WHAT ARE WE DOING?
AND WE HAVE TO STOP
THE VIOLENCE.
WE HAVE TO BRING BACK
LAW AND ORDER.
IN A PLACE LIKE
CHICAGO WHERE
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
HAVE BEEN KILLED.
THOUSANDS OVER THE
LAST NUMBER OF YEARS.
IN FACT, ALMOST 4,000
HAVE BEEN KILLED SINCE
BARACK OBAMA BECAME
PRESIDENT.
OVER -- ALMOST 4,000
PEOPLE IN CHICAGO HAVE
BEEN KILLED.
WE HAVE TO BRING BACK
LAW AND ORDER.
NOW, WHETHER OR NOT IN
A PLACE LIKE CHICAGO
YOU DO STOP AND FRISK,
WHICH WORKED VERY
WELL, MAYOR GIULIANI
IS HERE, IT WORKED
VERY WELL IN NEW YORK.
IT BROUGHT THE CRIME
RATE WAY DOWN, BUT YOU
TAKE THE GUN AWAY FROM
CRIMINALS THAT
SHOULDN'T BE HAVING
IT.
WE HAVE GANGS ROAMING
THE STREET AND IN MANY
CASES THEY'RE
ILLEGALLY HERE.
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
AND THEY HAVE GUNS.
AND THEY SHOOT PEOPLE.
AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY
STRONG AND WE HAVE TO
BE VERY VIGILANT.
WE HAVE TO BE -- WE
HAVE TO KNOW WHAT
WE'RE DOING.
RIGHT NOW, OUR POLICE
IN MANY CASES ARE
AFRAID TO DO ANYTHING.
WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR
INNER CITIES BECAUSE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN
COMMUNITIES ARE BEING
DECIMATED BY CRIME.
>> YOUR TWO MINUTES
HAS EXPIRED.
I DO WANT TO
FOLLOW-UP.
STOP AND FRISK WAS
RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL
IN NEW YORK BECAUSE IT
LARGELY SINGLED OUT
BLACK AND HISPANIC
YOUNG MEN.
>> NO, YOU'RE WRONG.
IT WENT BEFORE A JUDGE
WHO WAS A VERY AGAINST
POLICE JUDGE.
IT WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM
HER AND OUR MAYOR, OUR
NEW MAYOR, REFUSED TO
GO FORWARD WITH THE
CASE.
THEY WOULD HAVE WANTED
IT REPEALED.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT
THROUGHOUT THE
COUNTRY, THERE ARE
MANY PLACES --
>> THE ARGUMENT IS
IT'S A FORM OF RACIAL
PROFILING.
>> NO, THE ARGUMENT IS
WE HAVE TO TAKE THE
GUNS AWAY FROM THESE
PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEM
AND ARE BAD PEOPLE
THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE
THEM.
THESE ARE FELONS.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT
ARE BAD PEOPLE THAT
SHOULDN'T BE -- WHEN
YOU HAVE 3,000
SHOOTINGS IN CHICAGO
FROM JANUARY 1st, WHEN
YOU HAVE 4,000 PEOPLE
KILLED IN CHICAGO BY
GUNS FROM THE
BEGINNING OF THE
PRESIDENCY OF BARACK
OBAMA, HIS HOMETOWN,
YOU HAVE TO HAVE STOP
AND FRISK.
YOU NEED MORE POLICE.
YOU NEED A BETTER
COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW,
RELATION.
YOU DON'T HAVE GOOD
COMMUNITY RELATIONS IN
KMAUG.
CHICAGO.
IT'S TERRIBLE.
I HAVE PROPERTY THERE.
IT'S TERRIBLE WHAT'S
GOING ON IN CHICAGO.
YOU GO TO FERGUSON, GO
TO SO MANY DIFFERENT
PLACES.
YOU NEED BETTER
RELATIONSHIPS.
I AGREE WITH SECRETARY
CLINTON ON THIS.
YOU NEED BETTER
RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN
THE COMMUNITIES AND
THE POLICE BECAUSE IN
SOME CASES IT'S NOT
GOOD.
BUT YOU LOOK AT
DALLAS, WHERE THE
RELATIONSHIPS WERE
REALLY STUDIED.
THE RELATIONSHIPS WERE
REALLY A BEAUTIFUL
THING.
AND THEN FIVE POLICE
OFFICERS WERE KILLED.
ONE NIGHT, VERY
VIOLENTLY.
SO THERE'S SOME BAD
THINGS GOING ON.
SOME REALLY BAD
THINGS.
>> SECRETARY
CLINTON --
>> BUT WE NEED --
LESTER, WE NEED LAW
AND ORDER AND WE NEED
LAW AND ORDER IN THE
INNER CITIES BECAUSE
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
MOST AFFECTED BY
WHAT'S HAPPENING ARE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND
HISPANIC PEOPLE.
AND IT'S VERY UNFAIR
TO THEM WHAT OUR
POLITICIANS ARE
ALLOWING TO HAPPEN.
>> SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> WELL, I'VE HEARD --
I'VE HEARD DONALD SAY
THIS AT HIS RALLIES
AND IT'S REALLY
UNFORTUNATE THAT HE
PAINTS SUCH A DIRE
NEGATIVE PICTURE OF
BLACK COMMUNITIES IN
OUR COUNTRY.
THE VIBRANCY OF THE
BLACK CHURCH, THE
BLACK BUSINESSES THAT
EMPLOY SO MANY PEOPLE.
THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT
SO MANY FAMILIES ARE
WORKING TO PROVIDE FOR
THEIR KIDS.
THERE'S A LOT THAT WE
SHOULD BE PROUD OF AND
WE SHOULD BE
SUPPORTING AND LIFTING
UP, BUT WE DO ALWAYS
HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE
KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.
THERE ARE THE RIGHT
WAYS OF DOING IT AND
THEN THERE ARE WAYS
THAT ARE INEFFECTIVE.
STOP AND FRISK WAS
FOUND TO BE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND
IN PART BECAUSE IT WAS
INEFFECTIVE.
IT DID NOT DO WHAT IT
NEEDED TO DO.
NOW, I BELIEVE IN
COMMUNITY POLICING
AND, IN FACT, VIOLENT
CRIME IS ONE-HALF OF
WHAT IT WAS IN 1991.
PROPERTY CRIME IS DOWN
40%.
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE
IT CREEP BACK UP.
WE'VE HAD 25 YEARS OF
VERY GOOD COOPERATION,
BUT THERE WERE SOME
PROBLEM, SOME
UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES.
TOO MANY YOUNG
AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND
LATINO MEN ENDED UP IN
JAIL FOR NONVIOLENT
OFFENSES AND IT'S JUST
A FACT THAT IF YOU'RE
A YOUNG
AFRICAN-AMERICAN MAN
AND YOU DO THE SAME
THING AS A YOUNG WHITE
MAN, YOU ARE MORE
LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED,
CHARGED, CONVICTED AND
INCARCERATED.
SO WE'VE GOT TO
ADDRESS THE SYSTEMIC
RACISM IN OUR CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM.
WE CANNOT JUST SAY LAW
AND ORDER.
WE HAVE TO SAY WE --
WE HAVE TO COME
FORWARD WITH A PLAN
THAT IS GOING TO
DIVERT PEOPLE FROM THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM, DEAL WITH
MANDATORY MINIMUM
SENTENCES WHICH HAVE
PUT TOO MANY PEOPLE
AWAY FOR TOO LONG FOR
DOING TOO LITTLE.
WE NEED TO HAVE MORE
SECOND-CHANCE
PROGRAMS.
I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE
ENDING PRIVATE PRISONS
IN THE FEDERAL SYSTEM.
I WANT TO SEE THEM
ENDED IN THE STATE
SYSTEM.
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A
PROFIT MOTIVATION TO
FILL PRISON CELLS WITH
YOUNG AMERICANS.
SO THERE ARE SOME
POSITIVE WAYS WE CAN
WORK ON THIS, AND I
BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT
COMMON SENSE GUN
SAFETY MEASURES WOULD
ASSIST US.
RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS
SOMETHING DONALD HAS
SUPPORTED ALONG WITH
THE GUN LOBBY, RIGHT
NOW WE'VE GOT TOO MANY
MILITARY-STYLE WEAPONS
ON THE STREETS AND A
LOT OF PLACES OUR
POLICE ARE OUT-GUNNED.
WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE
BACKGROUND CHECKS AND
WE NEED TO KEEP GUNS
OUT OF THE HANDS OF
THOSE WHO WILL DO HARM
AND WE FINALLY NEED TO
PASS A PROHIBITION ON
ANYONE WHO'S ON THE
TERRORIST WATCHLIST
FROM BEING ABLE TO BUY
A GUN IN OUR COUNTRY.
IF YOU'RE TOO
DANGEROUS TO FLY, YOU
ARE TOO DANGEROUS TO
BUY A GUN.
SO THERE ARE THINGS WE
CAN DO AND WE OUGHT TO
DO IT IN A BIPARTISAN
WAY.
>> SECRETARY CLINTON,
LAST WEEK YOU SAID
WE'VE GOT DO
EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO
IMPROVE POLICING TO GO
RIGHT AT IMPLICIT
BIAS.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT
POLICE ARE IMPLICITLY
BIASED AGAINST BLACK
PEOPLE?
>> LESTER, I THINK
IMPLICIT BIAS IS A
PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE,
NOT JUST POLICE.
I THINK,
UNFORTUNATELY, TOO
MANY OF US IN OUR
GREAT COUNTRY JUMP TO
CONCLUSIONS ABOUT EACH
OTHER, AND, THEREFORE,
I THINK WE NEED ALL OF
US TO BE ASKING HARD
QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, WHY AM I FEELING
THIS WAY?
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO
POLICING, SINCE IT CAN
HAVE LITERALLY FATAL
CONSEQUENCES, I HAVE
SAID IN MY FIRST
BUDGET WE WOULD PUT
MONEY INTO THAT BUDGET
TO HELP US DEAL WITH
IMPLICIT BIAS BY
RETRAINING A LOT OF
OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
I'VE MET WITH A GROUP
OF VERY DISTINGUISHED,
EXPERIENCED POLICE
CHIEFS A FEW WEEKS
AGO.
THEY ADMIT IT'S AN
ISSUE.
THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF
CONCERNS.
MENTAL HEALTH IS ONE
OF THE BIGGEST
CONCERNS BECAUSE NOW
POLICE ARE HAVING TO
HANDLE A LOT OF REALLY
DIFFICULT MENTAL
HEALTH PROBLEMS ON THE
STREET.
THEY WANT SUPPORT.
THEY WANT MORE
TRAINING.
THEY WANT MORE
ASSISTANCE.
AND I THINK THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
COULD BE IN A POSITION
WHERE WE WOULD OFFER
AND PROVIDE THAT.
>> I'D LIKE TO
RESPOND.
>> PLEASE.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I
AGREE AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE EVEN WITHIN MY
OWN PARTY WANT TO GIVE
CERTAIN RIGHTS TO
PEOPLE ON WATCH LISTS
AND NO-FLY LISTS.
I AGREE WITH YOU, WHEN
A PERSON IS ON A WATCH
LIST OR NO-FLY LIST,
AND I HAVE THE
ENDORSEMENT OF THE
NRA, WHICH I'M VERY
PROUD OF.
THESE ARE VERY, VERY
GOOD PEOPLE AND
THEY'RE PROTECTING THE
2nd AMENDMENT, BUT I
THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK
VERY STRONGLY AT
NO-FLY LISTS AND WATCH
LISTS AND WHEN PEOPLE
ARE ON THERE, EVEN IF
THEY SHOULDN'T BE ON
THERE, WE'LL HELP THEM
LEGALLY, WE'LL HELP
THEM GET OFF, BUT I
TEND TO AGREE WITH
THAT.
QUITE STRONGLY.
I DO WANT TO BRING UP
THE FACT THAT YOU WERE
THE ONE THAT BROUGHT
UP THE WORD,
SUPERPREDATOR, ABOUT
YOUNG BLACK YOUTH.
THAT'S A TERM THAT I
THINK WAS A -- IT'S
BEEN HORRIBLY MET AS
YOU KNOW.
I THINK YOU'VE
APOLOGIZED FOR IT.
BUT I THINK IT WAS A
TERRIBLE THING TO SAY.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO
STOP AND FRISK, YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT TAKING
GUN AWAY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT
TAKING GUNS AWAY FROM
GANGS AND PEOPLE THAT
USE THEM AND I REALLY
DON'T THINK YOU
DISAGREE WITH ME ON
THIS, IF YOU WANT TO
KNOW THE TRUTH.
I THINK MAYBE THERE'S
A POLITICAL REASON WHY
YOU CAN'T SAY IT, BUT
I REALLY DON'T
BELIEVE -- IN NEW YORK
CITY, STOP AND FRISK,
WE HAD 2,200 MURDERS
AND STOP AND FRISK
BROUGHT IT DOWN TO 500
MURDERS.
500 MURDERS IS A LOT
OF MURDERS.
HARD TO BELIEVE.
500 IS LIKE SUPPOSED
TO BE GOOD?
BUT WE WENT FROM 2,200
TO 500 AND IT WAS
CONTINUED ON BY MAYOR
BLOOMBERG AND IT WAS
TERMINATED BY CURRENT
MAYOR.
BUT STOP AND FRISK HAD
A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON
THE SAFETY OF NEW YORK
CITY, TREMENDOUS
BEYOND BELIEF.
SO WHEN YOU SAY IT HAS
NO IMPACT, IT REALLY
DID.
IT HAD A VERY, VERY
BIG IMPACT.
>> WELL, IT'S ALSO
FAIR TO SAY, IF WE'RE
GOING TO TALK ABOUT
MAYORS, THAT UNDER THE
CURRENT MAYOR, CRIME
HAS CONTINUED TO DROP
INCLUDING MURDERS.
SO THERE --
>> YOU'RE WRONG.
YOU'RE WRONG.
>> NO, I'M NOT.
>> MURDERS ARE UP.
ALL RIGHT.
YOU CHECK IT.
>> NEW YORK HAS --
>> YOU CHECK IT.
>> -- DONE AN
EXCELLENT JOB.
I GIVE CREDIT.
I GIVE CREDIT ACROSS
THE BOARD GOING BACK
TWO MAYORS, TWO POLICE
CHIEFS, BECAUSE IT
WORKED AND OTHER
COMMUNITIES NEED TO
COME TOGETHER TO DO
WHAT WILL WORK AS
WELL.
LOOK, ONE MURDER IS
TOO MANY, BUT IT --
>> TRUE.
>> -- IS IMPORTANT
THAT WE LEARN ABOUT
WHAT HAS BEEN
EFFECTIVE AND NOT GO
TO THINGS THAT SOUND
GOOD THAT REALLY DID
NOT HAVE THE KIND OF
IMPACT THAT WE WOULD
WANT.
WHO DISAGREES WITH
KEEPING NEIGHBORHOODS
SAFE?
BUT LET'S ALSO ADD NO
ONE SHOULD DISAGREE
ABOUT RESPECTING THE
RIGHTS OF YOUNG MEN
WHO LIVE IN THOSE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SO WE NEED TO DO A
BETTER JOB OF WORKING,
AGAIN, WITH THE
COMMUNITIES, FAITH
COMMUNITIES, BUSINESS
COMMUNITIES, AS WELL
AS THE POLICE TO TRY
TO DEAL WITH THIS
PROBLEM.
>> THIS CONVERSATION
IS ABOUT RACE AND SO
MR. TRUMP, I HAVE TO
ASK YOU --
>> I'D LIKE TO JUST
RESPOND IF I MIGHT.
>> PLEASE, 20 SECONDS.
>> I'D LIKE TO
RESPOND.
>> PLEASE RESPOND THEN
I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP
QUESTION.
>> LOOK, THE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN
COMMUNITY HAS BEEN LET
DOWN BY OUR
POLITICIANS.
THEY TALK GOOD AROUND
ELECTION TIME LIKE
RIGHT NOW, AND AFTER
THE ELECTION, THEY
SAY, SEE YOU LATER,
I'LL SEE YOU IN FOUR
YEARS.
THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN
COMMUNITY -- LOOK, THE
COMMUNITY WITHIN THE
INNER CITIES HAS BEEN
SO BADLY TREATED.
THEY'VE BEEN ABUSED
AND USED IN ORDER TO
GET VOTES BY DEMOCRAT
POLITICIANS BECAUSE
THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
THEY CONTROL THESE
COMMUNITIES FOR UP TO
100 YEARS.
>> MR. TRUMP --
>> UNBROKEN.
AND I WILL TELL YOU,
YOU LOOK AT THE INNER
CITIES AND I JUST LEFT
DETROIT AND I JUST
LEFT PHILADELPHIA AND
I JUST -- YOU KNOW,
YOU'VE SEEN ME.
I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE
PLACE.
YOU DECIDED TO STAY
HOME AND THAT'S OKAY.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU,
I'VE BEEN ALL OVER AND
I'VE MET SOME OF THE
GREATEST PEOPLE I'LL
EVER MEET WITHIN THESE
COMMUNITIES.
AND THEY ARE VERY,
VERY UPSET WITH WHAT
THEIR POLITICIANS HAVE
TOLD THEM AND WHAT
THEIR POLITICIANS HAVE
DONE.
>> MR. TRUMP --
>> I THINK DONALD JUST
CRITICIZED ME FOR
PREPARING FOR THIS
DEBATE.
AND YES, I DID.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE
I PREPARED FOR?
I PREPARED TO BE
PRESIDENT AND I THINK
THAT'S A GOOD THING.
>> MR. TRUMP, FOR FIVE
YEARS, YOU PERPETUATED
A FALSE CLAIM OF THE
NATION'S FIRST BLACK
PRESIDENT WAS NOT A
NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
YOU QUESTIONED HIS
LEGITIMACY.
THE LAST COUPLE OF
WEEKS YOU ACKNOWLEDGE
WHAT MOST AMERICANS
HAVE ACCEPTED FOR
YEARS, THE PRESIDENT
WAS BORN IN THE UNITED
STATES.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT
TOOK YOU SO LONG?
>> I'LL TELL YOU --
WELL, JUST VERY SIMPLE
TO SAY.
SYDNEY BLUMENTHAL
WORKS FOR THE CAMPAIGN
AND VERY CLOSE FRIEND
OF SECRETARY CLINTON.
AND HER CAMPAIGN
MANAGER, PATTI DOYLE,
WENT TO -- DURING THE
CAMPAIGN, HER CAMPAIGN
AGAINST PRESIDENT
OBAMA, FOUGHT VERY
HARD, AND YOU CAN GO
LOOK IT UP AND YOU CAN
CHECK IT OUT AND IF
YOU LOOK AT CNN THIS
PAST WEEK, PATTI DOYLE
WAS ON \"WOLF BLITZER\"
SAYING THAT THIS
HAPPENED.
BLUMENTHAL SENT
McCLATCHY, HIGHLY
RESPECTED REPORTER, TO
KENYA TO FIND OUT
ABOUT IT.
THEY WERE PRESSING IT
VERY HARD.
SHE FAILED TO GET THE
BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, I
DIDN'T FAIL.
I GOT HIM TO GIVE THE
BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
SO I'M SATISFIED WITH
IT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY I'M
SATISFIED WITH IT
BECAUSE I WANT TO GET
ON TO DEFEATING ISIS.
I WANT TO GET ON TO
CREATING JOBS.
I WANT TO GET ON TO
HAVING A STRONG
BORDER.
BECAUSE I WANT TO GET
ON TO THINGS THAT ARE
VERY IMPORTANT TO ME
AND THAT ARE VERY
IMPORTANT TO THE
COUNTRY.
>> I'LL LET YOU
RESPOND.
THAT'S THE POINT.
I WANT TO GET THE
ANSWER HERE.
THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
WAS PRODUCED IN 2011.
YOU CONTINUED TO TELL
THE STORY AND QUESTION
THE PRESIDENT'S
LEGITIMACY IN 2012,
2013, 2014, 2015, AS
RECENTLY AS JANUARY.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT
CHANGED YOUR MIND?
>> WELL, NOBODY WAS
PRESSING IT.
NOBODY WAS CARING MUCH
ABOUT IT.
I FIGURED YOU'D ASK
THE QUESTION TONIGHT,
OF COURSE.
BUT NOBODY WAS CARING
MUCH ABOUT IT.
BUT I WAS THE ONE THAT
GOT HIM TO PRODUCE THE
BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND
I THINK I DID A GOOD
JOB.
SECRETARY CLINTON ALSO
FOUGHT IT, YOU KNOW,
EVERYBODY IN THE
MAINSTREAM IS GOING TO
SAY THAT'S NOT TRUE.
SYDNEY BLUMENTHAL SENT
THE REPORTER -- TAKE A
LOOK AT CNN LAST WEEK,
THE INTERVIEW WITH
YOUR FORMER CAMPAIGN
MANAGER AND SHE WAS
INVOLVED.
BUT JUST LIKE SHE
CAN'T BRING BACK JOBS,
SHE CAN'T PRODUCE.
>> I'M SORRY, I'M
GOING TO -- I WILL LET
YOU RESPOND TO THAT.
THERE'S A LOT THERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
RACIAL HEALING IN THIS
SEGMENT.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO
AMERICANS --
>> WELL, I WAS VERY --
I SAY NOTHING.
I SAY NOTHING BECAUSE
I WAS ABLE TO GET HIM
TO PRODUCE IT.
HE SHOULD HAVE
PRODUCED IT A LONG
TIME BEFORE.
I SAY NOTHING.
BUT LET ME JUST TELL
YOU, WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT HEALING, I THINK
THAT I DEVELOPED VERY,
VERY GOOD
RELATIONSHIPS OVER THE
LAST LITTLE WHILE WITH
THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN
COMMUNITY.
I THINK YOU CAN SEE
THAT.
AND I FEEL THAT THEY
REALLY WANTED ME TO
COME TO THAT
CONCLUSION AND I THINK
I DID A GREAT JOB AND
A GREAT SERVICE NOT
ONLY FOR THE COUNTRY,
BUT EVEN FOR THE
PRESIDENT IN GETTING
HIM TO PRODUCE HIS
BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
>> SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> WELL, JUST LISTEN
TO WHAT YOU HEARD.
AND CLEARLY AS DONALD
JUST ADMITTED, HE KNEW
HE WAS GOING TO STAND
ON THIS DEBATE STAGE
AND LESTER HOLT WAS
GOING TO BE ASKING US
QUESTIONS, SO HE TRIED
TO PUT THE WHOLE
RACIST BIRTHER LIE TO
BED.
IT CAN'T BE DISMISSED
THAT EASILY.
HE HAS REALLY STARTED
HIS POLITICAL ACTIVITY
BASED ON THIS RACIST
LIE THAT OUR FIRST
BLACK PRESIDENT WAS
NOT AN AMERICAN
CITIZEN.
THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY
NO EVIDENCE FOR IT,
BUT HE PERSISTED.
HE PERSISTED YEAR
AFTER YEAR BECAUSE
SOME OF HIS
SUPPORTERS, PEOPLE
THAT HE WAS TRYING TO
BRING INTO HIS FOLD,
APPARENTLY BELIEVED IT
OR WANTED TO BELIEVE
IT.
BUT REMEMBER, DONALD
STARTED HIS CAREER
BACK IN 1973 BEING
SUED BY THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT FOR RACIAL
DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE
HE WOULD NOT RENT
APARTMENTS IN ONE OF
HIS DEVELOPMENTS TO
AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND
HE MADE SURE THAT THE
PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR
HIM UNDERSTOOD THAT
WAS THE POLICY.
HE ACTUALLY WAS SUED
TWICE BY THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT.
SO HE HAS A LONG
RECORD OF ENGAGING IN
RACIST BEHAVIOR.
AND THE BIRTHER LIE
WAS A VERY HURTFUL
ONE.
YOU KNOW, BARACK OBAMA
IS A MAN OF GREAT
DIGNITY AND I COULD
TELL HOW MUCH IT
BOTHERED HIM AND
ANNOYED HIM THAT THIS
WAS BEING TOUTED AND
USED AGAINST HIM, BUT
I LIKE TO REMEMBER
WHAT MICHELLE OBAMA
SAID IN HER AMAZING
SPEECH AT OUR
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
CONVENTION.
\"WHEN THEY GO LOW, WE
GO HIGH.\"
AND BARACK OBAMA WENT
HIGH DESPITE DONALD
TRUMP'S BEST EFFORTS
TO BRING HIM DOWN.
>> MR. TRUMP, YOU CAN
RESPOND THEN WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE TO THE
NEXT SEGMENT.
>> I WOULD LOVE TO
RESPOND.
FIRST OF ALL I GOT TO
WATCH IN PREPARING FOR
THIS SOME OF YOUR
DEBATE AGAINST BARACK
OBAMA.
YOU TREATED HIM WITH
TERRIBLE DISRESPECT
AND I WATCHED THE WAY
YOU TALK NOW ABOUT HOW
LOVELY EVERYTHING IS
AND HOW WONDERFUL YOU
ARE.
DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
YOU WERE AFTER HIM.
YOU WERE TRYING TO --
YOU EVEN SENT OUT,
YOUR CAMPAIGN SENT OUT
PICTURES OF HIM IN A
CERTAIN GARB.
VERY FAMOUS PICTURES.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN
DENY THAT.
BUT JUST LAST WEEK
YOUR CAMPAIGN MANAGER
SAID IT WAS TRUE.
SO WHEN YOU TRY TO ACT
HOLIER THAN THOU, IT
REALLY DOESN'T WORK.
IT REALLY DOESN'T.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE
LAWSUIT, YES, WHEN I
WAS VERY YOUNG, I WENT
INTO MY FATHER'S
COMPANY, REAL ESTATE
COMPANY IN BROOKLYN
AND QUEENS AND WE
ALONG WITH MANY, MANY
OTHER COMPANIES
THROUGHOUT THE
COUNTRY, A FEDERAL
LAWSUIT, WERE SUED.
WE SETTLED THE SUIT
WITH ZERO, WITH NO
ADMISSION OF GUILT.
IT WAS VERY EASY TO
DO, BUT THEY SUED MANY
PEOPLE.
I NOTICE YOU BRING
THAT UP A LOT, AND,
YOU KNOW, I ALSO
NOTICE THE VERY NASTY
COMMERCIALS THAT YOU
DO ON ME AND SO MANY
DIFFERENT WAYS WHICH I
DON'T DO ON YOU.
MAYBE I'M TRYING TO
SAVE THE MONEY.
BUT FRANKLY, I LOOK --
I LOOK AT THAT AND I
SAY, ISN'T THAT
AMAZING, BECAUSE I
SETTLED THAT LAWSUIT
WITH NO ADMISSION OF
GUILT.
BUT THAT WAS A LAWSUIT
BROUGHT AGAINST MANY
REAL ESTATE FIRMS AND
IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE
THINGS.
I'LL GO ONE STEP
FURTHER.
IN PALM BEACH,
FLORIDA, TOUGH
COMMUNITY, A BRILLIANT
COMMUNITY, A WEALTHY
COMMUNITY, PROBABLY
THE WEALTHIEST
COMMUNITY THERE IS IN
THE WORLD, I OPENED A
CLUB AND REALLY GOT
GREAT CREDIT FOR IT.
NO DISCRIMINATION
AGAINST
AFRICAN-AMERICANS,
AGAINST MUSLIMS,
AGAINST ANYBODY.
AND IT'S A
TREMENDOUSLY
SUCCESSFUL CLUB AND
I'M SO GLAD I DID IT
AND I HAVE BEEN GIVEN
GREAT CREDIT FOR WHAT
I DID AND I'M VERY,
VERY PROUD OF IT.
AND THAT'S THE WAY I
FEEL.
THAT IS THE TRUE WAY I
FEEL.
>> OUR NEXT SEGMENT IS
CALLED SECURING
AMERICA.
WE WANT TO START WITH
A 21st CENTURY WAR
HAPPENING EVERY DAY IN
THIS COUNTRY.
OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE
UNDER CYBER ATTACK.
AND OUR SECRETS ARE
BEING STOLEN.
SO MY QUESTION IS,
WHO'S BEHIND IT AND
HOW DO WE FIGHT IT?
SECRETARY CLINTON,
THIS ANSWER GOES TO
YOU.
>> WELL, I THINK CYBER
SECURITY, CYBER
WARFARE, WILL BE ONE
OF THE BIGGEST
CHALLENGES FACING THE
NEXT PRESIDENT BECAUSE
CLEARLY WE'RE FACING
AT THIS POINT TWO
DIFFERENT KINDS OF
ADVERSARIES.
THERE ARE THE
INDEPENDENT HACKING
GROUPS THAT DO IT
MOSTLY FOR COMMERCIAL
REASONS TO TRY TO
STEAL INFORMATION THAT
THEY THEN CAN USE TO
MAKE MONEY.
BUT INCREASINGLY, WE
ARE SEEING CYBER
ATTACKS COMING FROM
STATES.
ORGANS OF STATES.
THE MOST RECENT AND
TROUBLING OF THESE HAS
BEEN RUSSIA.
THERE'S NO DOUBT NOW
THAT RUSSIA HAS USED
CYBER ATTACKS AGAINST
ALL KINDS OF
ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR
COUNTRY AND I AM
DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT
THIS.
I KNOW DONALD'S VERY
PRAISE WORTHY OF
VLADIMIR PUTIN, BUT
PUTIN IS PLAYING --
>> WONG.
>>
PLAYING A REALLY TOUGH
LONG GAME HERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS HE'S
DONE IS TO LET LOOSE
CYBER ATTACKERS TO
HACK IN TO GOVERNMENT
FILES, TO HACK INTO
PERSONAL FILES.
HACK INTO THE
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
COMMITTEE.
AND WE'VE RECENTLY
HAVE LEARNED THAT THIS
IS ONE OF THEIR
PREFERRED METHODS OF
TRYING TO WREAK HAVOC
AND COLLECT
INFORMATION.
WE NEED TO MAKE IT
VERY CLEAR WHETHER
IT'S RUSSIA, CHINA,
IRAN OR ANYBODY ELSE,
THE UNITED STATES HAS
MUCH GREATER CAPACITY
AND WE ARE NOT GOING
TO SIT IDLY BY AND
PERMIT STATE ACTORS TO
GO AFTER OUR
INFORMATION.
OUR PRIVATE SECTOR
INFORMATION, OR OUR
PUBLIC SECTOR
INFORMATION.
AND WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO MAKE IT CLEAR
THAT WE DON'T WANT TO
USE THE KINDS OF TOOLS
THAT WE HAVE.
WE DON'T WANT TO
ENGAGE IN A DIFFERENT
KIND OF WARFARE.
BUT WE WILL DEFEND THE
CITIZENS OF THIS
COUNTRY AND THE
RUSSIANS NEED TO
UNDERSTAND THAT.
I THINK THEY'VE BEEN
TREATING IT AS ALMOST
A PROBING.
HOW FAR WILL WE GO,
HOW MUCH WILL WE DO?
THAT'S WHY I WAS SO
SHOCKED WHEN DONALD
PUBLICLY INVITED PUTIN
TO HACK INTO
AMERICANS.
THAT IS JUST
UNACCEPTABLE.
IT'S ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY 50
NATIONAL SECURITY
OFFICIALS WHO SERVED
IN REPUBLICAN
INFORMATION -- IN
ADMINISTRATION --
>> YOUR TWO MINUTES
HAVE EXPIRED.
>> -- HAVE SAID DONALD
IS UNFIT TO BE THE
COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
IT'S COMMENTS LIKE
THAT THAT REALLY WORRY
PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND
THE THREATS THAT WE
FACE.
>> MR. TRUMP, YOU HAVE
TWO MINUTES ON THE
SAME QUESTION.
WHO'S BEHIND IT AND
HOW DO WE FIGHT IT.
>> YEAH, I DO WANT TO
SAY I WAS JUST
ENDORSED, MORE ARE
COMING NEXT WEEK.
IT WILL BE OVER 200
ADMIRALS, MANY OF THEM
ARE HERE, ADMIRALS AND
GENERALS ENDORSED ME
TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY.
THAT JUST HAPPENED AND
MANY MORE ARE COMING.
AND I'M VERY PROUD OF
IT.
IN ADDITION, I WAS
JUST ENDORSED BY
I.C.E.
THEY NEVER ENDORSED
ANYBODY BEFORE ON
IMMIGRATION.
I WAS JUST ENDORSED BY
I.C.E.
I WAS JUST RECENTLY
ENDORSED, 16,500
BORDER PATROL AGENTS.
SO WHEN SECRETARY
CLINTON TALKS ABOUT
THIS, I MEAN, I'LL
TAKE THE ADMIRALS AND
I'LL TAKE THE GENERALS
ANY DAY OVER THE
POLITICAL HACKS THAT I
SEE THAT HAVE LED OUR
COUNTRY SO BRILLIANTLY
OVER THE LAST TEN
YEARS WITH THEIR
KNOWLEDGE.
OKAY?
BECAUSE LOOK AT THE
MESS THAT WE'RE IN.
LOOK AT THE MESS THAT
WE'RE IN.
AS FAR AS THE CYBER, I
AGREE TO PARTS OF WHAT
SECRETARY CLINTON
SAID.
WE SHOULD BE BETTER
THAN ANYBODY ELSE AND
PERHAPS WE'RE NOT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY
KNOWS IT WAS RUSSIA
THAT BROKE INTO THE
DNC.
SHE'S SAYING RUSSIA,
RUSSIA, RUSSIA, BUT I
DON'T -- MAYBE IT WAS.
IT COULD BE RUSSIA.
COULD ALSO BE CHINA.
COULD ALSO BE LOTS OF
OTHER PEOPLE.
ALSO COULD BE SOMEBODY
SITTING ON THEIR BED
THAT WEIGHS 400
POUNDS.
OKAY?
YOU DON'T KNOW WHO
BROKE INTO DNC, BUT
WHAT DID WE LEARN WITH
DNC?
WE LEARNED THAT BERNIE
SANDERS WAS TAKEN
ADVANTAGE OF BY YOUR
PEOPLE.
BY DEBBIE
WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ.
LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO
HER.
BUT BERNIE SANDERS WAS
TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.
NOW, WHETHER THAT WAS
RUSSIA, WHETHER THAT
WAS CHINA, WHETHER IT
WAS ANOTHER COUNTRY,
WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE
THE TRUTH IS, UNDER
PRESIDENT OBAMA, WE
LOST CONTROL OF THINGS
THAT WE USED TO HAVE
CONTROL OF.
WE CAME IN WITH AN
INTERNET, WE CAME UP
WITH THE INTERNET.
AND I THINK SECRETARY
CLINTON AND MYSELF
WOULD AGREE VERY MUCH
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT
ISIS IS DOING WITH THE
INTERNET, THEY'RE
BEATING US AT OUR OWN
GAME.
ISIS.
SO WE HAVE TO GET
VERY, VERY TOUGH ON
CYBER AND CYBER
WARFARE.
IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
I HAVE A SON, HE'S 10
YEARS OLD.
HE HAS COMPUTERS.
HE IS SO GOOD WITH
THESE COMPUTERS.
IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
THE SECURITY ASPECT OF
CYBER IS VERY, VERY
TOUGH AND MAYBE IT'S
HARDLY DOABLE, BUT I
WILL SAY WE ARE NOT
DOING THE JOB WE
SHOULD BE DOING.
THAT'S TRUE THROUGHOUT
OUR WHOLE GOVERNMENTAL
SOCIETY.
WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS
WE HAVE TO DO BETTER,
LESTER, AND CERTAINLY
CYBER IS ONE OF THEM.
>> SECRETARY CLINTON?
>> WELL, I THINK THERE
ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES
THAT WE SHOULD BE
ADDRESSING.
I HAVE PUT FORTH A
PLAN TO DEFEAT ISIS.
IT DOES INVOLVE GOING
AFTER THEM ONLINE.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO
MUCH MORE WITH OUR
TECH COMPANIES TO
PREVENT ISIS AND THEIR
OPERATIVES FROM BEING
ABLE TO USE THE
INTERNET TO
RADICALIZE, EVEN
DIRECT PEOPLE IN OUR
COUNTRY AND EUROPE AND
ELSEWHERE, BUT WE ALSO
HAVE TO INTENSIFY OUR
AIR STRIKES AGAINST
ISIS AND EVENTUALLY
SUPPORT OUR ARAB AND
KURDISH PARTNERS TO BE
ABLE TO ACTUALLY TAKE
OUT ISIS IN RAQQAH, IN
THEIR CLAIM OF BEING A
CALIPHATE.
WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
OUR MILITARY IS
ASSISTING IN IRAQ AND
WE'RE HOPING THAT
WITHIN THE YEAR, WE'LL
BE ABLE TO PUSH ISIS
OUT OF IRAQ AND THEN,
YOU KNOW, REALLY
SQUEEZE THEM IN SYRIA.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE
COGNIZANT OF THE FACT
THAT THEY'VE HAD
FOREIGN FIGHTERS
COMING TO VOLUNTEER
FOR THEM, FOREIGN
MONEY, FOREIGN
WEAPONS.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE
THIS THE TOP PRIORITY
AND I WOULD ALSO DO
EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO
TAKE OUT THEIR
LEADERSHIP.
I WAS INVOLVED IN A
NUMBER OF EFFORTS TO
TAKE OUT AL QAEDA
LEADERSHIP WHEN I WAS
SECRETARY OF STATE
INCLUDING, OF COURSE,
TAKING OUT BIN LADEN.
I THINK WE NEED TO GO
AFTER BAGHDADI AS
WELL.
MAKE THAT ONE OF OUR
ORGANIING PRINCIPLES
BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO
DEFEAT ISIS AND GOT TO
DO EVERYTHING WE CAN
TO DISRUPT THEIR
PROPAGANDA EFFORTS
ONLINE.
>> YOU MENTIONED ISIS
AND WE THINK OF ISIS
CERTAINLY AS OVER
THERE, BUT THERE ARE
AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO
HAVE BEEN INSPIRED TO
COMMIT ACTS OF TERROR
ON AMERICAN SOIL.
THE LATEST INCIDENT,
OF COURSE, THE
BOMBINGS WE JUST SAW
IN NEW YORK AND NEW
JERSEY.
THE KNIFE ATTACK AT A
MALL IN MINNESOTA.
AND THE LAST YEAR,
DEADLY ATTACKS IN SAN
BERNARDINO AND
ORLANDO.
I'LL ASK THIS TO BOTH
OF YOU.
TELL US SPECIFICALLY
HOW YOU WOULD PREVENT
HOMEGROWN ATTACKS BY
AMERICAN CITIZENS?
MR. TRUMP?
>> FIRST, I HAVE TO
SAY ONE THING.
VERY IMPORTANT.
SECRETARY CLINTON IS
TALKING ABOUT TAKING
OUT ISIS.
WE WILL TAKE OUT ISIS.
WELL, PRESIDENT OBAMA
AND SECRETARY CLINTON
CREATED A VACUUM THE
WAY THEY GOT OUT OF
IRAQ BECAUSE THEY GOT
OUT WRONG.
THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE
BEEN IN.
ONCE THEY GOT IN, THE
WAY THEY GOT OUT WAS A
DISASTER AND ISIS WAS
FORMED.
SHE TALKS ABOUT TAKING
THEM OUT.
SHE'S BEEN DOING IT A
LONG TIME.
SHE'S BEEN TRYING TO
TAKE THEM OUT FOR A
LONG TIME.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE
EVEN BEEN FORMED IF
THEY LEFT SOME TROOPS
BEHIND LIKE 10,000 OR
MAYBE SOMETHING MORE
THAN THAT.
AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T
HAVE HAD THEM.
OR AS I'VE BEEN SAYING
FOR A LONG TIME, AND I
THINK YOU'LL AGREE
BECAUSE I SAID IT TO
YOU ONCE, HAD WE TAKEN
THE OIL, AND WE SHOULD
HAVE TAKEN THE OIL,
ISIS WOULD NOT HAVE
BEEN ABLE TO FORM
EITHER BECAUSE THE OIL
WAS THEIR PRIMARY
SOURCE OF INCOME AND
NOW THEY HAVE THE OIL
ALL OVER THE PLACE
INCLUDING THE OIL, A
LOT OF THE OIL IN
LIBYA WHICH WAS
ANOTHER ONE OF HER
DISASTERS.
>> SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> WELL, I HOPE THE
FACT CHECKERS ARE
TURNING UP THE VOLUME
AND REALLY WORKING
HARD.
DONALD SUPPORTED THE
INVASION OF IRAQ.
>> WRONG.
>> THAT IS
ABSOLUTELY --
>> WRONG.
>> -- PROVED OVER AND
OVER AGAIN.
>> WRONG.
>> HE ACTUALLY
ADVOCATED FOR THE
ACTIONS WE TOOK IN
LIBYA.
AND URGED THAT GADHAFI
BE TAKEN OUT AFTER
ACTUALLY DOING SOME
BUSINESS WITH HIM ONE
TIME.
BUT THE LARGER POINT,
HE SAYS THIS
CONSTANTLY, IS GEORGE
W. BUSH MADE THE
AGREEMENT ABOUT WHEN
AMERICAN TROOPS WOULD
LEAVE IRAQ.
NOT BARACK OBAMA.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT
AMERICAN TROOPS COULD
HAVE STAYED IN IRAQ IS
TO GET AN AGREEMENT
FROM THE THEN-IRAQI
GOVERNMENT THAT WOULD
HAVE PROTECTED OUR
TROOPS AND THE IRAQI
GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT
GIVE THAT.
BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT
THE QUESTION YOU
ASKED, LESTER.
THE QUESTION YOU ASKED
IS WHAT DO WE DO HERE
IN THE UNITED STATES?
THAT'S THE MOST
IMPORTANT PART OF
THIS.
HOW DO WE PREVENT
ATTACKS?
HOW DO WE PROTECT OUR
PEOPLE?
AND I THINK WE'VE GOT
TO HAVE AN
INTELLIGENCE SURGE
WHERE WE ARE LOOKING
FOR EVERY SCRAP OF
INFORMATION.
I WAS SO PROUD OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT IN NEW
YORK, IN MINNESOTA, IN
NEW JERSEY.
YOU KNOW, THEY
RESPONDED SO QUICKLY,
SO PROFESSIONALLY, TO
THE ATTACKS THAT
OCCURRED BY RAHAMI AND
THEY BROUGHT HIM DOWN
AND WE MAY FIND OUT
MORE INFORMATION
BECAUSE HE IS STILL
ALIVE, WHICH MAY PROVE
TO BE AN INTELLIGENCE
BENEFIT.
SO WE'VE GOT TO DO
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
VACUUM UP INTELLIGENCE
FROM EUROPE, FROM THE
MIDDLE EAST.
THAT MEANS WE'VE GOT
TO WORK MORE CLOSELY
WITH OUR ALLIES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT DONALD HAS BEEN
VERY DISMISSIVE OF.
WE'RE WORKING WITH
NATO, THE LONGEST
MILITARY ALLIANCE IN
THE HISTORY OF THE
WORLD, TO REALLY TURN
OUR ATTENTION TO
TERRORISM.
WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR
FRIENDS IN THE MIDDLE
EAST.
MANY OF WHICH, AS YOU
KNOW, ARE MUSLIM
MAJORITY NATIONS.
DONALD HAS
CONSISTENTLY INSULTED
MUSLIMS ABROAD.
MUSLIMS AT HOME.
WHEN WE NEED TO BE
COOPERATING WITH
MUSLIM NATIONS AND
WITH THE AMERICAN
MUSLIM COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE ON THE FRONT
LINES.
THEY CAN PROVIDE
INFORMATION TO US THAT
WE MIGHT NOT GET
ANYWHERE ELSE.
THEY NEED TO HAVE
CLOSE WORKING
COOPERATION WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT IN THESE
COMMUNITIES.
NOT BE ALIENATED AND
PUSHED AWAY AS SOME OF
DONALD'S RHETORIC,
UNFORTUNATELY, HAS LED
TO.
>> MR. --
>> WELL, I HAVE TO
RESPOND.
>> PLEASE RESPOND.
>> THE SECRETARY SAID,
VERY STRONGLY, ABOUT
WORKING WITH -- WE'VE
BEEN WORKING WITH THEM
FOR MANY YEARS AND WE
HAVE THE GREATEST MESS
ANYONE'S EVER SEEN.
YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE
EAST.
IT'S A TOTAL MESS.
UNDER YOUR DIRECTION
TO A LARGE EXTENT, BUT
YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE
EAST.
YOU STARTED THE IRAN
DEAL.
THAT'S ANOTHER BEAUTY
WHERE YOU HAVE A
COUNTRY THAT WAS READY
TO FALL, I MEAN, IT
WAS DOING SO BADLY,
THEY WERE CHOKING ON
THE SANCTIONS AND NOW
THEY'RE GOING TO BE
ACTUALLY PROBABLY A
MAJOR POWER AT SOME
POINT PRETTY SOON THE
WAY THEY'RE GOING.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT
NATO, I WAS ASKED ON A
MAJOR SHOW, WHAT DO
YOU THINK OF NATO?
YOU HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND, I'M A
BUSINESSPERSON.
I DID REALLY WELL, BUT
I HAVE COMMON SENSE.
AND I SAID, WELL, I'LL
TELL YOU, I HAVEN'T
GIVEN LOTS OF THOUGHT
TO NATO, BUT TWO
THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, THE 28
COUNTRIES OF NATO,
MANY OF THEM AREN'T
PAYING THEIR FAIR
SHARE.
NUMBER TWO, AND THAT
BOTHERS ME BECAUSE WE
SHOULD BE -- WE'RE
DEFENDING THEM.
THEY SHOULD AT LEAST
BE PAYING US WHAT
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE
PAYING BY TREATY AND
CONTRACT.
AND NUMBER TWO, I
SAID, AND VERY
STRONGLY, NATO COULD
BE OBSOLETE BECAUSE --
AND I WAS VERY STRONG
ON THIS.
IT WAS ACTUALLY
COVERED VERY
ACCURATELY IN \"THE NEW
YORK TIMES\" WHICH IS
UNUSUAL FOR \"THE NEW
YORK TIMES\" TO BE
HONEST.
BUT I SAID, THEY DO
NOT FOCUS ON TERROR.
AND I WAS VERY STRONG.
AND I SAID IT NUMEROUS
TIMES AND ABOUT FOUR
MONTHS AGO, I READ ON
THE FRONT PAGE OF THE
\"WALL STREET JOURNAL\"
THAT NATO IS OPENING
UP A MAJOR TERROR
DIVISION AND I THINK
THAT'S GREAT.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD
GET, BECAUSE WE PAY
APPROXIMATELY 73% OF
THE COST OF NATO, IT'S
A LOT OF MONEY TO
PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE.
BUT I'M ALL FOR NATO,
BUT I SAID THEY HAVE
TO FOCUS ON TERROR
ALSO.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO
DO THAT.
AND THAT WAS, BELIEVE
ME, I'M NOT GOING TO
GET CREDIT FOR IT BUT
THAT WAS LARGELY
BECAUSE OF WHAT I WAS
SAYING AND MY
CRITICISM OF NATO.
I THINK WE HAVE TO GET
NATO TO GO INTO THE
MIDDLE EAST WITH US IN
ADDITION TO
SURROUNDING NATIONS
AND WE HAVE TO KNOCK
THE HELL OUT OF ISIS
AND WE HAVE TO DO IT
FAST.
WHEN ISIS FORMED IN
THIS VACUUM CREATED BY
BARACK OBAMA AND
SECRETARY CLINTON, AND
BELIEVE ME, YOU WERE
THE ONES THAT TOOK OUT
THE TROOPS.
NOT ONLY THAT, YOU
NAMED THE DAY.
THEY COULDN'T BELIEVE
IT.
THEY SAT BACK PROBABLY
AND SAID --
>> LESTER, WE COVERED
THIS --
>> WAIT A MINUTE.
THEY SAID WAIT A
MINUTE, WHEN THEY
FORMED, THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT NEVER
SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED.
IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE
HAPPENED.
NOW YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT TAKING OUT ISIS.
BUT YOU WERE THERE AND
YOU WERE SECRETARY OF
STATE WHEN IT WAS A
LITTLE INFANT.
NOW IT'S IN OVER 30
COUNTRIES AND YOU'RE
GOING TO STOP THEM?
I DON'T THINK SO.
>> MR. TRUMP, WITH A
LOT OF THESE ARE
JUDGMENT QUESTIONS.
YOU HAD SUPPORTED THE
WAR IN IRAQ BEFORE THE
INVASION.
WHAT MAKES YOUR --
>> I DID NOT SUPPORT
THE WAR IN IRAQ.
>> 2002 --
>> THAT IS A
MAINSTREAM MEDIA
NONSENSE PUT OUT BY
HER BECAUSE SHE
FRANKLY I THINK THE
BEST PERSON IN HER
CAMPAIGN IS MAINSTREAM
MEDIA.
>> MY QUESTION --
>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO
HEAR?
I WAS AGAINST -- WAIT
A MINUTE.
I WAS AGAINST THE WAR
IN IRAQ.
JUST SO YOU PUT IT
OUT.
>> THE RECORD SHOWS
OTHERWISE.
WHY --
>> THE RECORD DOES NOT
SHOW --
>> WHY IS YOUR
JUDGMENT ANY --
>> THE RECORD SHOWS
THAT I'M RIGHT.
WHEN I DID AN
INTERVIEW WITH HOWARD
STERN, VERY LIKELY
FIRST TIME ANYONE'S
ASKED ME THAT, I SAID,
VERY LIKE LI
ASKED ME THAT, I SAID,
VERYGHTLY, I DON'T
KNOW, MAYBE, WHO
KNOWS, ESSENTIALLY.
I THEN DID AN
INTERVIEW WITH NEIL
CAVUTO, TALKED ABOUT
THE ECONOMY IS MORE
IMPORTANT.
I SPOKE TO SEAN
HANNITY, EVERYBODY
REFUSES TO CALL SEAN
HANNITY.
I HAD NUMEROUS
CONVERSATIONS WITH
SEAN HANNITY AT FOX
AND SEAN HANNITY SAID,
AND HE CALLED ME THE
OTHER DAY, AND I SPOKE
TO HIM ABOUT IT.
HE SAID, YOU WERE
TOTALLY AGAINST THE
WAR.
HE WAS FOR THE WAR.
>> WHY IS YOUR
JUDGMENT BETTER --
>> THAT WAS BEFORE THE
WAR STARTED.
SEAN HANNITY SAID,
VERY STRONGLY, TO ME
AND OTHER PEOPLE, HE'S
WILLING TO SAY, BUT
NOBODY WANTS TO CALL
HIM.
I WAS AGAINST THE WAR.
HE SAID, YOU USED TO
HAVE FIGHTS WITH ME
BECAUSE SEAN WAS IN
FAVOR OF THE WAR.
I UNDERSTAND THAT SIDE
ALSO.
NOT VERY MUCH, BECAUSE
WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER
BEEN THERE.
BUT NOBODY CALLS SEAN
HANNITY.
THEN THEY DID AN
ARTICLE IN A MAJOR
MAGAZINE SHORTLY AFTER
THE WAR STARTED I
THINK IN '04, BUT THEY
DID AN ARTICLE WHICH
HAD ME TOTALLY AGAINST
THE WAR IN IRAQ.
AND ONE OF YOUR
COMPATRIOTS SAID, YOU
KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS
BEFORE OR RIGHT AFTER,
TRUMP WAS DEFINITE
BECAUSE IF YOU READ
THIS ARTICLE, THERE'S
NO DOUBT.
BUT IF SOMEBODY, AND
I'LL ASK THE PRESS, IF
SOMEBODY WOULD CALL UP
SEAN HANNITY, THIS WAS
BEFORE THE WAR
STARTED, HE AND I USED
TO HAVE ARGUMENTS
ABOUT THE WAR.
I SAID IT'S A TERRIBLE
AND A STUPID THING.
IT'S GOING TO
DESTABILIZE THE MIDDLE
EAST AND THAT'S
EXACTLY WHAT IT'S
DONE.
>> MY REFERENCE WAS
WHAT YOU HAD SAID IN
2002.
MY QUESTION WAS --
>> YOU DIDN'T HEAR
WHAT I SAID.
>> WHY IS YOUR
JUDGMENT ANY DIFFERENT
THAN MRS. CLINTON'S?
>> I HAVE MUCH BETTER
JUDGMENT THAN SHE
DOES.
THERE'S NO QUESTION
ABOUT THAT.
I ALSO HAVE A MUCH
BETTER TEMPERAMENT
THAN SHE HAS.
YOU KNOW?
I HAVE A MUCH
BETTER -- SHE SPENT,
LET ME TELL YOU, SHE
SPENT HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON
AN ADVERTISING -- YOU
KNOW, THEY GET MADISON
AVENUE INTO A ROOM,
THEY PUT NAMES -- OH,
TEMPERAMENT, LET'S GO
AFTER IT.
I THINK MY STRONGEST
ASSET, MAYBE BY FAR,
IS MY TEMPERAMENT.
I HAVE A WINNING
TEMPERAMENT.
I KNOW HOW TO WIN.
SHE DOES NOT --
>> SECRETARY CLINTON?
>> WAIT.
THE AFL-CIO THE OTHER
DAY BEHIND THE BLUE
SCREEN, I DON'T KNOW
WHO YOU WERE TALKING
TO, SECRETARY CLINTON,
BUT YOU WERE TOTALLY
OUT OF CONTROL.
I SAID, THERE'S A
PERSON WITH A
TEMPERAMENT THAT'S GOT
A PROBLEM.
>> SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> WHEW.
OKAY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT TWO
IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT
WERE BRIEFLY MENTIONED
BY DONALD.
FIRST NATO.
YOU KNOW, NATO AS A
MILITARY ALLIANCE HAS
SOMETHING CALLED
ARTICLE 5 AND
BASICALLY IT SAYS
THIS.
AN ATTACK ON ONE IS AN
ATTACK ON ALL.
AND YOU KNOW, THE ONLY
TIME IT'S EVER BEEN
INVOKED AFTER 9/11
WHEN THE 28 NATIONS OF
NATO SAID THAT THEY
WOULD GO TO
AFGHANISTAN WITH US TO
FIGHT TERRORISM.
SOMETHING THAT THEY
STILL ARE DOING BY OUR
SIDE.
WITH RESPECT TO IRAN,
WHEN I BECAME
SECRETARY OF STATE,
IRAN WAS WEEKS AWAY
FROM HAVING ENOUGH
NUCLEAR MATERIAL TO
FORM A BOMB.
THEY HAD MASTERED THE
NUCLEAR FUEL CYCLE
UNDER THE BUSH
ADMINISTRATION.
THEY HAD BUILT COVERT
FACILITIES.
THEY HAD STOCKED THEM
WITH CENTRIFUGES THAT
WERE WHIRLING AWAY.
AND WE HAD SANCTIONED
THEM.
I VOTED FOR EVERY
SANCTION AGAINST IRAN
WHEN I WAS IN THE
SENATE, BUT IT WASN'T
ENOUGH.
SO I SPENT A YEAR AND
A HALF PUTTING
TOGETHER A COALITION
THAT INCLUDED RUSSIA
AND CHINA TO IMPOSE
THE TOUGHEST SANCTIONS
ON IRAN.
AND WE DID DRIVE THEM
TO THE NEGOTIATING
TABLE AND MY
SUCCESSOR, JOHN KERRY,
AND PRESIDENT OBAMA
GOT A DEAL THAT PUT A
LID ON IRAN'S NUCLEAR
PROGRAM.
WITHOUT FIRING A
SINGLE SHOT.
THAT'S DIPLOMACY.
THAT'S COALITION
BUILDING.
THAT'S WORKING WITH
OTHER NATIONS.
THE OTHER DAY, I SAW
DONALD SAYING THAT
THERE WERE SOME
IRANIAN SAILORS ON A
SHIP IN THE WATERS OFF
OF IRAN AND THEY WERE
TAUNTING AMERICAN
SAILORS WHO WERE ON A
NEARBY SHIP.
HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF
THEY TAUNTED OUR
SAILORS, I'D BLOW THEM
OUT OF THE WATER AND
START ANOTHER WAR.
THAT'S --
>> THAT WOULD NOT
START A WAR.
>> THAT'S NOT
JUDGMENT.
THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT
TEMPERAMENT TO BE
COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
TO BE TAUNTED.
AND THE WORST PART --
>> NO, THEY WERE
TAUNTING US.
>> -- I HEARD DONALD
SAY HAS BEEN ABOUT
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
HE HAS SAID REPEATEDLY
THAT HE DIDN'T CARE IF
OTHER NATIONS GOT
NUCLEAR WEAPONS,
JAPAN, SOUTH KOREA,
EVEN SAUDI ARABIA.
IT HAS BEEN THE POLICY
OF THE UNITED STATES.
DEMOCRATS AND
REPUBLICANS TO DO
EVERYTHING WE COULD TO
REDUCE THE
PROLIFERATION OF
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
HE EVEN SAID, WELL,
YOU KNOW, IF THERE
WERE NUCLEAR WAR IN
THE EAST ASIA, WELL,
YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE,
YOU KNOW.
>> WRONG.
>> HAVE A GOOD TIME,
FOLKS.
AND, IN FACT, HIS
CAVALIER ATTITUDE
ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS
IS SO DEEPLY
TROUBLING.
THAT IS THE NUMBER-ONE
THREAT WE FACE IN THE
WORLD AND IT BECOMES
PARTICULARLY
THREATENING IF
TERRORISTS EVER GET
THEIR HANDS ON ANY
NUCLEAR MATERIAL.
SO A MAN WHO CAN BE
PROVOKED BY A TWEET
SHOULD NOT HAVE HIS
FINGERS ANYWHERE NEAR
THE NUCLEAR CODES AS
FAR AS I THINK ANYONE
WITH ANY SENSE ABOUT
THIS SHOULD BE
CONCERNED.
>> GETTING A LITTLE
BIT OLD, I MUST SAY.
>> IT'S A GOOD ONE,
THOUGH.
WELL DESCRIBES THE
PROBLEM.
>> IT'S NOT AN
ACCURATE ONE AT ALL.
IT'S NOT AN ACCURATE
ONE.
SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE
A LOT OF THING, JUST
TO RESPOND.
I AGREE WITH HER ON
ONE THING.
THE SINGLE GREATEST
PROBLEM THE WORLD HAS
IS NUCLEAR ARMAMENT,
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
NOT GLOBAL WARMING
LIKE YOU THINK AND
YOUR PRESIDENT THINKS.
NUCLEAR IS THE SINGLE
GREATEST THREAT.
JUST TO GO DOWN THE
LIST, WE DEFEND JAPAN,
WE DEFEND GERMANY, WE
DEFEND SOUTH KOREA, WE
DEFEND SAUDI ARABIA,
WE DEFEND COUNTRIES.
THEY DO NOT PAY US,
BUT THEY SHOULD BE
PAYING US BECAUSE WE
ARE PROVIDING
TREMENDOUS SERVICE AND
LOSING A FORTUNE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE
LOSING -- WE'RE
LOSING -- WE LOSE ON
EVERYTHING.
I SAY WHO MAKES
THESE -- WE LOSE ON
EVERYTHING.
ALL I SAID THAT IT'S
VERY POSSIBLE THAT IF
THEY DON'T PAY A FAIR
SHARE, BECAUSE THIS
ISN'T 40 YEARS AGO
WHERE WE COULD DO WHAT
WE'RE DOING.
WE CAN'T DEFEND JAPAN,
A BEHEMOTH SELLING US
CARS BY THE MILLIONS.
>> WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.
>> THEY MAY HAVE TO
DEFEND THEMSELVES OR
HELP US OUT.
WE OWE $20 TRILLION.
THEY HAVE TO HELP US
OUT.
AS FAR AS THE NUCLEAR
IS CONCERNED, I AGREE,
IT IS THE SINGLE
GREATEST THREAT THAT
THIS COUNTRY HAS.
>> WHICH LEADS TO MY
NEXT QUESTION AS WE
ENTER OUR LAST
SEGMENT, ON THE
SUBJECT OF SECURING
NAERK.
ON NUCLEAR WEAPONS,
PRESIDENT OBAMA
REPORTEDLY CONSIDERED
CHANGING THE NATION'S
LONGSTANDING POLICY ON
FIRST USE.
DO YOU SUPPORT THE
CURRENT POLICY?
MR. TRUMP, YOU HAVE
TWO MINUTES ON THAT.
>> I HAVE TO SAY, FOR
WHAT SECRETARY CLINTON
WAS SAYING ABOUT
NUCLEAR WITH RUSSIA,
SHE'S VERY CAVALIER IN
THE WAY SHE TALKS
ABOUT VARIOUS
COUNTRIES BUT RUSSIA
HAS BEEN EXPANDING.
THEY HAVE A MUCH NEWER
CAPABILITY THAN WE DO.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN
UPDATING FROM THE NEW
STANDPOINT.
I LOOKED THE OTHER
NIGHT, I WAS SEEING
B52s, THEY'RE OLD
ENOUGH THAT YOUR
FATHER, YOUR
GRANDFATHER COULD BE
FLYING THEM.
WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE
NOT KEEPING UP WITH
OTHER COUNTRIES.
I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY
TO END IT, JUST GET
RID OF IT, BUT I WOULD
CERTAINLY NOT DO FIRST
STRIKE.
I THINK THAT ONCE THE
NUCLEAR ALTERNATIVE
HAPPENS, IT'S OVER.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE
HAVE TO BE PREPARED.
I CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING
OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE
YOU LOOK AT SOME OF
THESE COUNTRIES, YOU
LOOK AT NORTH KOREA,
WE'RE DOING NOTHING
THERE.
CHINA SHOULD SOLVE
THAT PROBLEM FOR US.
CHINA SHOULD GO INTO
NORTH KOREA.
CHINA IS TOTALLY
POWERFUL AS IT RELATES
TO NORTH KOREA.
AND BY THE WAY,
ANOTHER ONE POWERFUL
IS THE WORST DEAL I
THINK I'VE EVER SEEN
NEGOTIATED THAT YOU
STARTED IS THE IRAN
DEAL.
IRAN IS ONE OF THEIR
BIGGEST TRADING
PARTNERS.
IRAN HAS POWER OVER
NORTH KOREA.
AND WHEN THEY MADE
THAT HORRIBLE DEAL
WITH IRAN, THEY SHOULD
HAVE INCLUDED THE FACT
THAT THEY DO SOMETHING
WITH RESPECT TO NORTH
KOREA AND THEY SHOULD
HAVE DONE SOMETHING
WITH RESPECT TO YEMEN
AND ALL THESE OTHER
PLACES.
AND WHEN ASKED TO
SECRETARY KERRY, WHY
DIDN'T YOU DO THAT,
WHY DIDN'T YOU ADD
OTHER THINGS INTO THE
DEAL?
ONE OF THE GREAT
GIVEAWAYS OF ALL-TIME,
OF ALL-TIME, INCLUDING
$400 MILLION IN CASH,
NOBODY'S EVER SEEN
THAT BEFORE, THAT
TURNED OUT TO BE
WRONG.
IT WAS ACTUALLY $1.7
BILLION IN CASH.
OBVIOUSLY, I GUESS,
FOR THE HOSTAGES.
IT CERTAINLY LOOKS
THAT WAY.
SO YOU SAY TO
YOURSELF, WHY DIDN'T
THEY MAKE THE RIGHT
DEAL?
THIS IS ONE OF THE
WORST DEALS EVER MADE
BY ANY COUNTRY IN
HISTORY.
THE DEAL WITH IRAN
WILL LEAD TO NUCLEAR
PROBLEMS.
ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS
SIT BACK TEN YEARS AND
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO
MUCH.
>> YOUR TWO MINUTES
HAS EXPIRED.
>> I MET WITH BIBI
NETANYAHU THE OTHER
DAY.
BELIEVE ME, HE IS NOT
A HAPPY CAMPER.
>> ALL RIGHT.
MRS. CLINTON,
SECRETARY CLINTON, YOU
HAVE TWO MINUTES.
>> LET ME START BY
SAYING WORDS MATTER.
WORDS MATTER WHEN YOU
RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND
THEY REALLY MATTER
WHEN YOU ARE
PRESIDENT.
AND I WANT TO REASSURE
OUR ALLIES IN JAPAN,
IN SOUTH KOREA, AND
ELSEWHERE THAT WE HAVE
MUTUAL DEFENSE
TREATIES AND WE WILL
HONOR THEM.
IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT
AMERICA'S WORD BE GOOD
AND SO I KNOW THAT
THIS CAMPAIGN HAS
CAUSED SOME
QUESTIONING AND SOME
WORRIES ON THE PART OF
MANY LEADERS ACROSS
THE GLOBE.
I'VE TALKED WITH A
NUMBER OF THEM, BUT I
WANT TO, ON BEHALF OF
MYSELF AND I THINK ON
BEHALF OF A MAJORITY
OF THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE, SAY THAT, YOU
KNOW, OUR WORD IS
GOOD.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT
THAT WE LOOK AT THE
ENTIRE GLOBAL
SITUATION.
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT
WE HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS
WITH IRAN, BUT
PERSONALLY, I'D RATHER
DEAL WITH THE OTHER
PROBLEMS HAVING PUT
THAT LID ON THEIR
NUCLEAR PROGRAM THAN
STILL TO BE FACING
THAT.
AND DONALD NEVER TELLS
YOU WHAT HE WOULD DO.
WOULD HE HAVE STARTED
A WAR?
WOULD HE HAVE BOMBED
IRAN?
IF HE'S GOING TO
CRITICIZE A DEAL THAT
HAS BEEN VERY
SUCCESSFUL IN GIVING
US ACCESS TO IRANIAN
FACILITIES THAT WE
NEVER HAD BEFORE, THEN
HE SHOULD TELL US WHAT
HIS ALTERNATIVE WOULD
BE, BUT IT'S LIKE HIS
PLAN TO DEFEAT ISIS.
HE SAYS IT'S A SECRET
PLAN, BUT THE ONLY
SECRET IS THAT HE HAS
NO PLAN.
SO WE NEED TO BE MORE
PRECISE IN HOW WE TALK
ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
PEOPLE AROUND THE
WORLD FOLLOW OUR
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS
SO CLOSELY TRYING TO
GET HINTS ABOUT WHAT
WE WILL DO.
CAN THEY RELY ON US?
ARE WE GOING TO LEAD
THE WORLD WITH
STRENGTH AND IN
ACCORDANCE WITH OUR
VALUES?
THAT'S WHAT I INTEND
TO DO.
I INTEND TO BE A
LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY
THAT PEOPLE CAN COUNT
ON BOTH HERE AT HOME
AND AROUND THE WORLD
TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT
WILL FURTHER PEACE AND
PROSPERITY, BUT ALSO
STAND UP TO BULLIES
WHETHER THEY'RE ABROAD
OR AT HOME.
WE CANNOT LET THOSE
WHO WOULD TRY TO
DESTABILIZE THE WORLD
TO INTERFERE WITH
AMERICAN INTERESTS AND
SECURITY.
>> YOUR TWO MINUTES --
>> GIVEN ANY
OPPORTUNITIES AT ALL.
>> IS EXPIRED.
>> LESTER, ONE THING
I'D LIKE TO SAY.
>> VERY QUICKLY.
20 SECONDS.
>> I WILL GO VERY
QUICKLY BUT I WILL
TELL YOU THAT HILLARY
WILL TELL YOU TO GO TO
HER WEBSITE AND READ
ALL ABOUT HOW TO
DEFEAT ISIS WHICH SHE
COULD HAVE DEFEATED BY
NEVER HAVING IT GET
GOING IN THE FIRST
PLACE.
RIGHT NOW IT'S GETTING
TOUGHER AND TOUGHER TO
DEFEAT THEM.
THEY'RE IN MORE AND
MORE PLACES.
>> MR. TRUMP.
>> IT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
AS FAR AS JAPAN IS
CONCERNED, I WANT TO
HELP ALL OF OUR
ALLIES.
WE'RE LOSING BILLIONS
AND BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS.
WE CANNOT BE THE
POLICEMEN OF THE
WORLD.
WE CAN NOT PROTECT
COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE
WORLD WHERE THEY'RE
NOT PAYING US WHAT WE
NEED.
>> WE HAVE A FEW FINAL
QUESTIONS.
>> SHE DOESN'T SAY
THAT BECAUSE SHE'S GOT
NO BUSINESS ABILITY.
WE NEED HEART, A LOT
OF THINGS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME
BASIC ABILITY.
SADLY, SHE DOESN'T
HAVE THAT.
ALL OF THE THINGS THAT
SHE'S TALKING ABOUT
COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN
CARE OF DURING THE
LAST TEN YEARS, LET'S
SAY, WHILE SHE HAD
GREAT POWER BUT THEY
WEREN'T TAKEN CARE OF.
IF SHE EVER WINS THIS
RACE, THEY WON'T BE
TAKEN CARE OF.
>> MR. TRUMP, THIS
YEAR SECRETARY CLINTON
BECAME THE FIRST WOMAN
NOMINATED FOR
PRESIDENT BY A MAJOR
PARTY.
EARLIER THIS MONTH YOU
SAID SHE DOESN'T HAVE,
\"A PRESIDENTIAL LOOK.\"
SHE'S STANDING HERE
RIGHT NOW.
WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY
THAT?
>> SHE DOESN'T HAVE
THE LOOK.
SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE
STAMINA.
I SAID SHE DOESN'T
HAVE THE STAMINA.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE
SHE DOES HAVE THE
STAMINA.
TO BE PRESIDENT OF
THIS COUNTRY, YOU NEED
TREMENDOUS STAMINA.
>> THE QUOTE WAS \"I
JUST DON'T THINK SHE
HAS --
>> WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU ASKED ME A
QUESTION.
DID SHE ASK ME A
QUESTION?
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
NEGOTIATE ON TRADE
DEALS.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
NEGOTIATE -- THAT'S
RIGHT, WITH JAPAN,
WITH SAUDI ARABIA.
I MEAN, CAN YOU
IMAGINE WE'RE
DEFENDING SAUDI ARABIA
AND WITH ALL OF THE
MONEY THEY HAVE, WE'RE
DEFENDING THEM AND
THEY'RE NOT PAYING?
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS
SPEAK TO THEM.
WAIT, YOU HAVE SO MANY
DIFFERENT THINGS YOU
HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO
AND I DON'T BELIEVE
THAT HILLARY HAS THE
STAMINA.
>> LET'S LET HER
RESPOND.
>> WELL, AS SOON AS HE
TRAVELS TO 112
COUNTRIES AND
NEGOTIATES A PEACE
DEAL, A CEASE-FIRE, A
RELEASE OF DISSIDENTS,
AN OPENING OF NEW
OPPORTUNITIES IN
NATIONS AROUND THE
WORLD, OR EVEN SPENDS
11 HOURS TESTIFYING IN
FRONT OF A
CONGRESSIONAL
COMMITTEE, HE CAN TALK
TO ME ABOUT STAMINA.
>> THE WORLD -- LET ME
TELL YOU.
LET ME TELL YOU.
HILLARY HAS EXPERIENCE
BUT IT'S BAD
EXPERIENCE.
WE HAVE MADE SO MANY
BAD DEALS DURING THE
LAST -- SO SHE'S GOT
EXPERIENCE THAT I
AGREE, BUT IT'S BAD,
BAD EXPERIENCE.
WHETHER IT'S THE IRAN
DEAL THAT YOU'RE SO IN
LOVE WITH WHERE WE
GAVE THEM $150 BILLION
BACK.
WHETHER IT'S THE IRAN
DEAL, WHETHER IT'S
ANYTHING YOU -- YOU
ALMOST CAN'T NAME A
GOOD DEAL.
I AGREE, SHE'S GOT
EXPERIENCE, BUT IT'S
BAD EXPERIENCE.
AND THIS COUNTRY CAN'T
AFFORD TO HAVE ANOTHER
FOUR YEARS OF THAT
KIND OF EXPERIENCE.
>> WE ARE AT THE --
WE'RE AT THE FINAL
QUESTION --
>> WELL, ONE THING --
>> VERY QUICKLY
BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE
FINAL QUESTION.
>> HE TRIED TO SWITCH
FROM LOOKS TO STAMINA,
BUT THIS IS A MAN WHO
HAS CALLED WOMEN PIGS,
SLOBS, AND DOGS AND
SOMEONE WHO HAS SAID
PREGNANCY IS AN
INCONVENIENCE TO
EMPLOYERS.
WHO HAS SAID --
>> I NEVER SAID THAT.
>> WHO HAVE SAID WOMEN
DESERVE EQUAL PAY
UNLESS THEY DO AS GOOD
A JOB AS MEN.
>> DIDN'T SAY.
>> AND ONE OF THE
WORST THINGS HE SAID
WAS ABOUT A WOMAN IN A
BEAUTY CONTEST.
HE LOVES BEAUTY
CONTESTS, SUPPORTING
THEM AND HANGING
AROUND THEM.
AND HE CALLED THIS
WOMAN MISS PIGGY.
THEN HE CALLED HER
MISS HOUSEKEEPING
BECAUSE SHE WAS
LATINA.
DONALD, SHE HAS A
NAME.
>> WHERE DID YOU FIND
THIS?
WHERE DID YOU FIND
THIS?
>> HER NAME IS MACHADO
AND HAS BECOME A U.S.
CITIZEN AND YOU CAN
BET SHE'S GOING TO
VOTE THIS NOVEMBER.
>> OKAY.
GOOD.
LET ME JUST TELL
YOU --
>> MR. TRUMP, TEN
SECONDS THEN WE'LL
HAVE THE FINAL
QUESTION.
>> YOU KNOW, HILLARY
IS HITTING ME WITH
TREMENDOUS
COMMERCIALS.
SOME OF IT'S SAID IN
ENTERTAINMENT, SOME OF
IT SAID, SOMEBODY
WHO'S BEEN VERY
VICIOUS TO ME, ROSIE
O'DONNELL, I SAID VERY
TOUGH THINGS TO HER
AND I THINK EVERYBODY
WOULD AGREE THAT SHE
DESERVES IT AND NOBODY
FEELS SORRY FOR HER.
BUT YOU WANT TO KNOW
THE TRUTH?
I WAS GOING TO SAY
SOMETHING --
>> PLEASE, VERY QUICK.
>> -- EXTREMELY ROUGH
TO HILLARY, TO HER
FAMILY AND I SAID TO
MYSELF, I CAN'T DO IT.
I JUST CAN'T DO IT.
IT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
IT'S NOT NICE.
BUT SHE SPENT HUNDREDS
OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
ON NEGATIVE ADS ON ME.
MANY OF WHICH ARE
ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE,
THEY'RE UNTRUE AND
MISREPRESENTATIONS.
I WILL FELL YOU THIS,
LESTER.
IT'S NOT NICE AND I
DON'T -- I DON'T
DESERVE THAT BUT IT'S
CERTAINLY NOT A NICE
THING THAT SHE'S DONE.
IT'S HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF ADS AND
THE ONLY GRATIFYING
THING IS I SAW THE
POLLS COME IN TODAY
AND WITH ALL OF THAT
MONEY, OVER $200
MILLION IS SPENT AND
I'M EITHER WINNING OR
TIED.
>> ONE OF YOU --
>> I SPENT PRACTICALLY
NOTHING.
>> ONE OF YOU -- ONE
OF YOU WILL NOT WIN
THIS ELECTION.
SO MY FINAL QUESTION
TO YOU TONIGHT, ARE
YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT
THE OUTCOME AS THE
WILL OF THE VOTER?
SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> WELL, I SUPPORT OUR
DEMOCRACY, AND
SOMETIMES YOU WIN,
SOMETIMES YOU LOSE,
BUT I CERTAINLY WILL
SUPPORT THE OUTCOME OF
THIS ELECTION.
AND I KNOW DONALD'S
TRYING VERY HARD TO
PLANT DOUBTS ABOUT IT,
BUT I HOPE THE PEOPLE
OUT THERE UNDERSTAND
THIS ELECTION'S REALLY
UP TO YOU.
IT'S NOT ABOUT US SO
MUCH AS IT IS ABOUT
YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES
AND THE KIND OF
COUNTRY AND FUTURE YOU
WANT.
SO I SURE HOPE YOU
WILL GET OUT AND VOTE
AS THOUGH YOUR FUTURE
DEPENDED ON IT BECAUSE
I THINK IT DOES.
>> MR. TRUMP, VERY
QUICKLY.
THE SAME QUESTION.
WILL YOU ACCEPT THE
OUTCOME AS THE WILL OF
THE VOTERS?
>> I WANT TO MAKE
AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
WE ARE A NATION THAT
IS SERIOUSLY TROUBLED.
WE'RE LOSING OUR JOBS.
PEOPLE ARE POURING IN
TO OUR COUNTRY.
THE OTHER DAY WE WERE
DEPORTING 800 PEOPLE.
PERHAPS THEY PRESSED
THE WRONG BUTTON.
THEY PRESSED THE WRONG
BUTTON.
OR PERHAPS WORSE THAN
THAT, IT WAS
CORRUPTION.
BUT THESE PEOPLE THAT
WE WERE GOING TO
DEPORT, FOR GOOD
REASON, ENDED UP
BECOMING CITIZENS.
ENDED UP BECOMING
CITIZENS.
AND IT WAS 800 AND NOW
IT TURNS OUT IT MIGHT
BE 1,800 AND THEY
DON'T EVEN KNOW.
>> WILL YOU ACCEPT THE
OUTCOME OF THE
ELECTION?
>> I WANT TO MAKE
AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
I'M GOING TO BE ABLE
TO DO IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE
HILLARY WILL.
THE ANSWER IS IF SHE
WINS, I WILL
ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT
HER.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THAT IS GOING TO DO IT
FOR US.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR
DEBATE FOR THIS
EVENING.
A SPIRITED ONE.
WE COVERED A LOT OF
GROUND.
NOT EVERYTHING.
AS I SUSPECTED WE
WOULDN'T.
WOULD.
THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATES ARE SCHEDULED
FOR OCTOBER 9th IN
WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY
IN ST. LOUIS.
AND OCTOBER 19th AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF
NEVADA LAS VEGAS.
THE CONVERSATION WILL
CONTINUE.
A REMINDER THE VICE
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS
SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER
4th AT LONGWOOD
UNIVERSITY IN
FARMVILLE, VIRGINIA.
MY THANKS TO HILLARY
CLINTON AND TO DONALD
TRUMP.
AND TO HOFSTRA
UNIVERSITY FOR HOSTING
US TONIGHT.
GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE.
>> FIRST PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATE OF THIS
CAMPAIGN SEASON IS IN
THE RECORD BOOKS.
HILLARY CLINTON,
DONALD TRUMP TAKING
QUESTIONS FOR OVER 90
MINUTES.
WENT A LITTLE BIT
LONG.
AND WE SEE THEM NOW
SHAKING HANDS WITH THE
MODERAOR LESTER HOLT
AND EXPECT THEM TO
GREET THEIR FAMILIES
AS IS TRADITION ON
THESE NIGHTS.
CHUCK TODD, I'LL TURN
TO YOU FIRST.
WHAT DID WE WITNESS
TONIGHT?
DO YOU THINK EITHER
CANDIDATE MOVED THE
NEEDLE IN THEIR
DIRECTIONS?
>> BEFORE I WANT TO
TALK ABOUT THE
CANDIDATES, THIS MOST
ABNORMAL EVENT I'VE
EVER WITNESSED.
NOT A NORMAL POLITICAL
DEBATE.
LET'S NOT SIT HERE AND
PRETEND WE SAW
SOMETHING THAT WAS A
QUADRENNIAL OCCASION
HERE.
THIS WAS AS SURREAL AS
SOME THOUGHT IT MIGHT
BE.
IT WAS CLEAR BOTH
CANDIDATES DIDN'T LIE
TO US ABOUT HOW THEY
PREPARED FOR THIS
DEBATE.
HILLARY CLINTON WAS AT
TIMES EVEN, YOU COULD
ARGUE OVERPREPARED IN
HER OPENING STATEMENT
MUST HAVE HAD 15
POLICY PROPOSALS
WITHIN THAT TWO
MINUTES.
AND THAT WAS DONALD
TRUMP WHO WE'VE ALL
COME TO COVER ON THIS
CAMPAIGN.
THAT WAS THE SAME
DONALD TRUMP.
VERY REACTIVE.
HE WAS FILLED WITH
EMOTION.
HE HAD A COUPLE OF
DECENT MOMENTS AT THE
TOP.
BUT THERE WERE TIMES
WHERE I DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND THE POINT
HE WAS MAKING.
I HAVE TO SAY, THIS
WAS, I THINK AS THIS
NIGHT WORE ON, BECAME
TOUGHER AND TOUGHER
FOR TRUMP AND IT
EXPOSED HIS LACK OF
PREPARATION.
>> TOM BROKAW, WIN,
LOSE OR DRAW?
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S
SETTLED ON POINTS.
IT WAS NOT A KNOCKOUT
EVENING AND PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO BE AT HOME
ADDING UP THE POINTS.
AND I THINK THAT
HILLARY'S COMPOSURE
AND MASTERY OF THE
DETAIL WAS CONSISTENT
THROUGHOUT AND SHE WAS
PLEASANT THROUGHOUT.
EVEN WHEN SHE TURNED
TO DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP STARTED
IN A MORE ORGANIZED
FASHION THAN WE'VE
SEEN IN THE PAST BUT
THEN HE RESORTED TO
THE KIND OF BOMBAST
THAT HE'S USED NOW.
MY GUESS IS THAT HE
PROBABLY KEPT HIS
CONSTITUENCY, BUT I
DON'T THINK HE PULLED
ANYBODY ACROSS THE
LINE.
>> I'M WITH YOU THERE.
THE PUGILISTIC ASPECT
OF HIM IS WHAT EXCITES
HIS VOTERS.
YOU HEAR IT.
THE FIRST SPONTANEOUS
MOMENT IN A DEBATE
AUDIENCE I REMEMBER
COVERING THE THINGS IS
WHEN HE SAID, OH YEAH,
I'LL RELEASE MY TAX
RETURNS WHEN SHE DOES
HER E-MAILS.
THE PUGILISM OF HIM IS
AN APPEAL THERE BUT
BOY, WHEN IT CAME TO
THE BIRTHER QUESTION,
WHEN IF CAME TO
QUESTIONS ABOUT WOMEN,
HE DID NOT DO ANYTHING
TO HELP HIM ADD TO HIS
SUPPORT TOTAL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW
SUBURBAN REPUBLICANS
WHO HAVE HAD DOUBTS
ABOUT HIM GOING INTO
THIS DEBATE, I DON'T
KNOW WHAT HE DID TO
SOMEHOW WIN THEM OVER.
>> I THINK THAT THERE
WAS ONE MOMENT THAT
WAS -- IN WHICH THEY
WERE BOTH PLAYING TO
THE CONSTITUENCY.
SHE WAS NOT CRITICAL
AT ALL OF
BLACK-ON-BLACK CRIME.
SHE WAS DEFENDING, IN
FACT, THE BLACK
COMMUNITY AND SAYING
WE GOT TO HAVE REFORM
IN THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM WHICH
WE DO.
NO QUESTION ABOUT
THAT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
TROUBLED ABOUT
BLACK-ON-BLACK CRIME.
HE WENT COMPLETELY TO
THE POLICE PIECE OF
IT.
THEY WERE DIVIDING UP
THE BLACK
CONSTITUENTTIES AND
PLAYING TO THEIR
PEOPLE AT THAT POINT.
>> AS WE TALK HERE,
WE'RE LOOKING AT
PICTURES.
PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON
IN THE HALL TONIGHT,
NOT HIS NATIONAL
COURSE OF ACTION IN A
DEBATE.
NORMALLY WHEN YOU SEE
A PRESIDENT IN THE
HALL AT ONE OF THESE
THINGS THEY'RE RUNNING
FOR RE-ELECTION.
THERE HE IS.
I WANT TO BRING IN
NICOLLE WALLACE, OF
COURSE, OUR ANALYST
AND OF COURSE HAS BEEN
A VETERAN OF THE
REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGNS
PAST.
NICOLLE, AS I GO TO
YOU I GUESS THE
QUESTION THIS MORNING
IS IF THIS DEBATE WERE
FOUGHT ON DEMEANORS,
ON THE GROUND OF WHO
IS MORE LIKABLE, WHO
HAS ADDRESSED SOME OF
THE CHARACTER OR
TEMPERAMENT ISSUES
THAT HAVE DOGGED BOTH
OF THEM, FRANKLY, IN
THIS CAMPAIGN, DO YOU
THINK ONE SIDE OR THE
OTHER COMES OUT ON
TOP?
>> WELL, LISTEN, THE
EXPECTATIONS FOR
HILLARY CLINTON
COULDN'T HAVE BEEN
HIGHER AND SHE MET
THOSE EXPECTATIONS
TONIGHT.
BUT I THINK THAT WE
WOULD BE INCORRECT TO
THINK THAT WHAT WE
SHAW IS WHAT EVERYONE
ELSE SAW.
WHAT THE VOTERS HAVE
TOLD US TIME AND TIME
AGAIN IS THAT WITH
DONALD TRUMP, THEY
HOLD HIM TO A
DIFFERENT STANDARD.
I REMEMBER IN THE
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY
AFTER THE SOUTH
CAROLINA DEBATE, LOT
OF PEOPLE WATCHED THAT
AND THOUGHT THAT HE
WOULD BE OUT OF THE
RACE WITHIN DAYS.
HE BLAMED 9/11 ON
GEORGE W. BUSH.
IT WAS REALLY A
CALAMITOUS
PERFORMANCE.
NOT ONLY DID HE WIN
SOUTH CAROLINA, BUT HE
WON THAT STATE RUNNING
AWAY.
IT WAS THE END OF JEB
BUSH'S CANDIDACY.
SO THESE DEBATE
PERFORMANCES FROM
DONALD TRUMP ARE NOT
ALWAYS EXPERIENCED BY
VOTERS THE WAY
POLITICAL VETERANS AND
POLITICAL OPERATIVES
LIKE ME SEE THEM.
SO I AGREE WITH CHUCK
TODD THAT IT WAS
SURREAL, BUT I THINK
HE PROBABLY CONNECTED
ON THE QUESTION OF
TRADE.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME
PEOPLE OUT THERE
CERTAINLY IN HIS BASE
THAT APPRECIATED HIS
ANSWERS OF LAW AND
ORDER, BUT IN THE SUM
OF THE PERFORMANCE
FROM EACH, SHE
CERTAINLY LOOKED MORE
PRESIDENTIAL.
I'M JUST NOT SURE
THAT'S THE STANDARD BY
WHICH WE'RE GOING TO
PICK THE NEXT
PRESIDENT.
>> NICOLLE, I WANT TO
GO TO THE PREPARATION
ISSUE.
YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED
IN THE ROOM THERE.
YOU TELL ME IT IS
CLEAR NO ONE SHOWED
HIM A VIDEOTAPE OF HIM
ON MUTE.
BECAUSE DURING THE
SPLIT SCREENS, BOY
DID -- I THINK IF HE
HAD SEEN HIMSELF IN
REACTION SHOTS HE
MIGHT HAVE CHANGED HIS
DEMEANOR.
>> YOU KNOW, I SENT A
TEXT TO ONE OF OUR
COLLEAGUES WHEN I
FIRST STARTED SEEING
THAT SHOT AND, YOU
KNOW, IN THESE GENERAL
ELECTION DEBATES,
EVERY MOMENT OF YOUR
PERFORMANCE IS
TELEVISED AND IT WAS
INDECIPHERABLE FROM A
\"SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE\"
SKIT.
HIS FACES AND
GRIMACES.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M
JUST -- I'M JUST NOT
SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO HOLD THAT
AGAINST HIM.
THEY LIKE THAT HE'S
REAL.
THEY LIKE THAT HE
EMOTES.
I AGREE WITH YOUR
ASSESSMENT EARLIER, I
DON'T THINK HE PULLED
ANYONE NEW INTO HIS
CAUSE WITH TONIGHT'SLE WALLAE
APPRECIATE THAT.
WE'RE JOINED BY DAVID
PLOUFFE, VETERAN
DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST
WHO WON BARACK OBAMA'S
CAMPAIGNS BACK IN
2008.
ALSO WAS ON 2012.
DAVID, GOOD EVENING TO
YOU.
I GUESS THE QUESTION
IS, WE'LL JUST LET YOU
HAVE A FREEBIE HERE.
HOW DO YOU THINK YOUR
CANDIDATE DID?
>> I AGREE WITH CHUCK.
IT WAS SURREAL.
I MEAN, I THINK ONE
PERSON WAS PREPARED TO
BE PRESIDENT.
ONE PERSON WASN'T
PREPARED.
THERE WAS BIG MOMENTS.
I MEAN, BASICALLY
SAYING HE WAS SMART
NOT TO PAY TAXES,
CELEBRATED FACT HE
TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE
HOUSING CRISIS, LIED
ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR AND
ASKING PEOPLE TO CALL
SEAN HANNITY.
MAYBE SOME OF HIS
SUPPORTERS LIKED IT.
I'M SURE THEY DID.
HE'S LOSING IN THE
ELECTION.
HE NEEDS TO GAIN
SUPPORT.
I DON'T THINK HE DID
ANYTHING TO DO THAT.
I THINK HILLARY
CLINTON WAS STRONG,
COMPOSED, TOUGH WHEN
SHE NEEDED TO BE AND
CONNECTED WITH A LOT
OF UNDECIDED VOTERS
OUT THERE.
>> DAVID, DON'T YOU
THINK TRUMP SCORED
POINTS ON THIS ISSUE
OF TRADE AND ALSO THE
FACT THAT HILLARY
CLINTON HAD BEEN AT
THIS FOR QUITE A LONG
TIME?
SHE TALKS ABOUT HUE
SHE WANTS TO SOLVE
PROBLEMS.
SHE'S HAD THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES AND
HASN'T SEIZED ON THEM.
DID HE SCORE ONLY
POINTS THERE?
>> WELL, I DON'T THINK
SO.
HE TRIED TO IN THE
LONGEVITY.
I APPRECIATE WHAT HE
WAS TRYING TO DO.
BUT NO ONE WATCHING
THAT DEBATE IN MY VIEW
WHO'S NOT A TRUMP
PARTISAN THINK THIS IS
ANYBODY WHO'S GOT
SOLUTIONS TO PLANS.
IT WAS A LOT OF ALMOST
UNHINGED AND UNMOORED
PARTICULARLY AS THE
DEBATE WENT ON.
HE TALKED ABOUT HIS
TEMPERAMENT.
ANYBODY WATCHING THE
END OF THE DEBATE
WOULD RAISE QUESTIONS.
TRADE IS AN IMPORTANT
DEBATE.
SHE DID A GOOD JOB OF
EXPLAINING HOW SHE
APPROACHES TRADE.
AGAIN, I THINK
SOMEBODY LOOKING AT
THIS DEBATE WHO'S NOT
SURE IF THEY'RE GOING
TO VOTE FOR TRUMP OR
CLINTON, I DON'T THINK
TRUMP GAVE THEM
ANYTHING.
I THINK IT WAS A
PRETTY DOMINATING
PERFORMANCE.
VERY LOPSIDED IF YOU
ASK ME.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH A
FEW OF THESE.
BEEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE
AND WRONG SIDE OF
THEM.
I THINK THIS WAS A
VERY LOPSIDED WIN FOR
HILLARY CLINTON.
>> DAVID PLOUFFE WHO
WAS, OF COURSE, ON
TEAM CLINTON TONIGHT,
AS A SURROGATE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
BY THE WAY, WE'RE
GOING TO TALK TO RUDY
GIULIANI ON BEHALF OF
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN
A FEW MOMENTS.
>>> WHEN WE COME BACK,
OUR COVERAGE
CONTINUES.
CHUCK TODD HAS PICKED
KEY MOMENTS FROM THE
DEBATE.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT
THOSE AND ASSESS HOW
THE TWO CAMPAIGNS ARE
FEELING AFTER THE
>>> WE'RE BACK LIVE AT
HOFSTRA UNIVERSITY.
AND THE SPIN ROOM IS
ACTIVE.
THE SPINNERS ARE
SPINNING.
THE CORRESPONDENTS ARE
THERE.
KATY TUR WHO'S COVERED
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
FROM THE BEGINNING.
KATY, GOOD EVENING,
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING
BACK THERE?
>> THE DONALD TRUMP
CAMPAIGN WANTED HIM TO
COME OUT AND BE
PRESIDENTIAL, WANTED
HIM TO NOT FALL FOR
ANY ATTACKS WITH
HILLARY CLINTON.
TO NOT HIT BACK AT HER
UNNECESSARILY.
THEY WERE GOING FOR
MODERATE REPUBLICANS.
THEY WERE GOING FOR
WOMEN.
THOSE ARE THE FOLKS
THAT THEY NEED TO WIN
OVER THIS ELECTION.
TO ADD TO HIS BASE OF
SUPPORT.
TO GET HIM PAST THAT
40% MARK.
DID HE GET THOSE FOLKS
TODAY?
IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE
HE IS GOING TO BREAK
GROUND WITH THEM.
DONALD TRUMP FELL FOR
A LOT OF HILLARY
CLINTON'S TRAPS, IF
YOU WILL.
HE INTERRUPTED HER
REPEATEDLY.
HE DIDN'T ACT AS
PRESIDENTIAL AS THE
CAMPAIGN HAD HOPED HE
WOULD EARLIER ON.
IN ALL, THOUGH,
SAVANNAH, WE SAW THE
DONALD TRUMP WE SAW
DURING THE PRIMARY
SEASON.
NOT THE PRESIDENTIAL
DONALD TRUMP THAT THE
CAMPAIGN WAS HOPING
FOR.
>> ALL RIGHT.
TA
.
>> LET'S GO TO ANDREA
MITCHELL, THE CLINTON
CAMPAIGN, WHAT ARE THE
MOMENTS THEY HOPE WILL
BE REMEMBERED THE
MOST?
>> CERTAINLY HER
COMMENTS ABOUT WOMEN.
WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAID
SHE DIDN'T LOOK
PRESIDENTIAL AND THEN
PIVOTED TO HER NOT
HAVING THE STAMINA AND
THE WAY SHE SEIZED ON
THAT SAID THAT HE HAD
PIVOTED FROM STAMINA
TO -- FROM LOOK TO
STAMINA AND THAT
ANYONE WHO HAD
TRAVELED AROUND TO 112
COUNTRIES AND SAT
THROUGH 11 HOURS OF
THE BENGHAZI HEARINGS,
COUNTERED HIM ON THE
WOMEN ISSUE AND THE
WAY HE TALKED ABOUT
WOMEN, TALKED ABOUT
THE LATINA WOMAN WHO
WAS A BEAUTY
CONTESTANT IN A
CONTEST.
SUGGESTING SHE HAD
GUILTY OF RACIST
BEHAVIOR GOING BACK TO
WHEN HE BEGAN HIS
BUSINESS IN 1973.
I THINK SHE WAS ON THE
DEFENSIVE ON TRADE, ON
JOBS.
THE ECONOMIC ISSUES,
EVEN THOUGH SHE HAD A
LOT OF FACTS ON HER
SIDE WERE NOT AS
COMPELLING TO THE WAY
HE WAS REACHING OUT TO
HIS BASE.
BUT NOT ADDING TO THAT
BASE.
>> ALL RIGHT, ANDREA.
I WILL LET YOU GO BACK
INTO THE SPIN ROOM AS
THEY SPIN AROUND.
>> HALLIE JACKSON IS
THERE, TOO.
I'M SURE YOU WERE
LOOKING AT YOUR iPHONE
OR BLACKBERRY AT THE
SAME TIME YOU WERE
WATCHING THIS DEBATE.
WHAT'S THE
CONVERSATION ON SOCIAL
MEDIA, WHAT ARE THE
MOMENTS THAT ARE
REALLY STANDING OUT?
>> SOME ACTIVITY HERE,
SAVANNAH, BEFORE WE
GET TO THOSE MOMENTS.
DONALD TRUMP, HIS
CAMPAIGN MANAGER
KELLYANNE CONWAY
COMING IN THE SPIN
ROOM RIGHT NOW.
I'M GOING TO KEEP AN
EAR ON THEM AND TALK
TO YOU.
MR. TRUMP, WE'RE LIVE
ON NBC NETWORK.
YOU'RE SEEING THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN WISHING
THEY HAD HAD MORE
ABOUT BENGHAZI, ABOUT
HER E-MAILS.
MR. TRUMP, WE'RE LIVE
ON NBC RIGHT NOW.
MR. TRUMP.
LET'S LISTEN IN,
SAVANNAH, RIGHT NOW.
>> AND MY QUESTION FOR
YOU IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE
YOU ADMITTED YOU
HADN'T PAID FEDERAL
TAXES AND THAT THAT
WAS SMART.
IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT
TO SAY?
>> I DIDN'T SAY THAT
AT ALL.
IF THEY SAY I DIDN'T,
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
I WILL SAY THIS.
I HATE THE WAY OUR
GOVERNMENT SPENDS OUR
TAXES.
BECAUSE THEY ARE
WASTING OUR MONEY.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT
THEY'RE DOING.
THEY'RE RUNNING IT SO
POORLY.
WHETHER IT'S SPENT IN
IRAQ OR WHEREVER
THEY'RE SPENDING IT,
THEY ARE WASTING OUR
MONEY.
SO I DO HATE THE WAY
OUR GOVERNMENT SPENDS
OUR MONEY.
>> MR. TRUMP, THAT
BIRTHER MOMENT GOT A
LOT OF ATTENTION, MR.
TRUMP.
DO YOU --
>> SAY WHAT YOU
SAID --
>> WHY DON'T YOU SPEAK
TO WOLF BLITZER
BECAUSE I GOT TO SEE
THAT ON WOLF BLITZER.
>> IN TERMS OF JUST,
SHE WAS EXPLAINING
WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE
SHE WAS THERE.
>> WHY DON'T YOU
SEE --
>> YOU SAID WHEN SHE
FIRED A VOLUNTEER FOR
WAS IN TRAFFICKING IN
SAYING THAT HE WAS A
MUSLIM, NOT ABOUT
BIRTHERISM.
>> WHY DON'T YOU DO
THIS?
WHY DON'T YOU SEE THE
REPORTER FROM
McCLATCHY, SPEAK TO
SYDNEY BLUMENTHAL
BECAUSE HE'S NEVER
GOING TO TELL YOU THE
TRUTH.
TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT
WHAT SHE SAID TO WOLF
BLITZER.
>> DO YOU APOLOGIZE
FOR THE BIRTHER PASS?
>> I GOT HIM TO PUT UP
HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
HILLARY CLINTON FAILED
BECAUSE SHE CAN'T
BRING IT HOME.
SHE'LL FAIL WITH JOBS
AND FAIL ALL THE WAY
ALONG THE LINE.
I THINK WE PROVED THAT
TONIGHT.
SHE FAILED WITH
GETTING HIM TO DO IT.
I GOT LIMB TO DO.
I'M PROUD OF THAT.
>> WILL YOU ACCEPT THE
OUTCOME OF THIS
ELECTION, MR. TRUMP?
>> SAY IT?
>> WILL YOU ACCEPT THE
OUTCOME OF THE
ELECTION?
>> ABSOLUTELY I WILL.
>> ALL RIGHT.
SAVANNAH, THAT WAS A
LIVE LOOK AT DONALD
TRUMP WALKING THROUGH
THE SPIN ROOM.
HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER
KELLYANNE CONWAY
BEHIND HIM.
TRUMP TALKING A BIT
ABOUT SOME OF THE
MOMENTS TONIGHT
PARTICULARLY THE
BIRTHER MOMENT.
REPUBLICAN OPERATIVES
TEXTING ME TONIGHT,
ONE CALLING IT
DEVASTATING.
WE WILL SEE HOW THIS
PLAYS OUT WITH THE
CRUCIAL UNDECIDED
VOTERS.
SAVANNAH?
>> HALLIE JACKSON,
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WHO NEEDS SURROGATES
WHEN YOU HAVE THE
CANDIDATE, HIMSELF?
CHUCK, YOU MENTIONED
TONIGHT WAS SURREAL.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
ACTUALLY GO INTO THE
SPINROOM AND DO THIS
OW SPIN?
>> HE'S DIFFERENT AND
CREATURE OF THE MEDIA.
NAME DROPS MEMBERS OF
THE MEDIA, WHETHER
SEAN HANNITY, WOLF
BLITZER.
THERE WAS A FEW
NETWORKS LEFT OUT.
I MEAN, MY GOSH, HE
DOES DO THAT.
CAN WE JUST -- THERE
WAS A BIG LOSER
TONIGHT.
I THINK IT WAS THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC FOR
THIS REASON.
THEY SPENT ALMOST, I
WOULD SAY, 75 MINUTES
TALKING ABOUT
THEMSELVES.
TALKING ABOUT
DEFENDING THEMSELVES
OR GOING AFTER EACH
OTHER.
I HAVE TO SAY THIS
WASN'T -- EARLY ON WE
GOT A LITTLE BIT OF
BACK AND FORTH ON
TRADE AND I THOUGHT --
THERE WERE TIMES WHERE
THEY JUST BLEW PAST
WHAT THE TOPIC WAS.
THEY GOT INTO THIS --
I HAVE A FEELING THERE
IS GOING TO BE THIS
FRUSTRATION FROM
VOTERS ABOUT THE LACK
OF SUBSTANCE.
>> BY THE WAY, WE'VE
ALREADY SEEN THAT
FRUSTRATION.
PEOPLE ARE FAIRLY
FRUSTRATED.
>> I THOUGHT YOU SAW A
FRUSTRATED DONALD
TRUMP.
HE DIDN'T STOP AND
SAY, I HAD A GREAT
EVENING, DID YOU SEE
WHAT SHE DID?
HE KEPT ON TRUCKING.
HE WAS DOING A DO-OVER
ON TRADE AND ON THE
DEFICIT BECAUSE HE
DIDN'T THINK HE
PROBABLY PUT THAT ONE
AWAY WHEN HE WAS ON
THE STAGE.
IT'S HARD TO KNOW.
BOTH OF THEM CAME
TONIGHT TRYING TO
ATTRACT VOTERS THAT
ARE STILL SITTING OUT
THERE IN THE MIDDLE.
THEY NEEDED TO GET
THEM TO THEIR SIDE.
IT'S ALWAYS A GUESS,
BUT MY GUESS IS THAT
HE HELD ON TO HIS
CONSTITUENCY, I DON'T
THINK HE BROUGHT A LOT
OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE
LINE TONIGHT BECAUSE
THIS AS I SAID
EARLIER, WE'RE GOING
FROM SPRING TRAINING
NOW INTO THE SEASON.
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING
WHO'S GOING TO BE THE
PRESIDENT AND IS THAT
THE PRESIDENT THAT I
WANT?
AND THE COUNTRY IS
DECIDING, WE'LL KNOW
MORE TOMORROW.
>>> AND THAT ABOUT
DOES IT FOR OUR
COVERAGE THIS EVENING.
CHUCK, IN ABOUT 20
SECONDS, WHAT'S YOUR
FINAL THOUGHT, YOUR
VERDICT ON THIS?
>> WE'LL KNOW HOW THE
CANDIDATES FEEL
TOMORROW MORNING.
HOW PUGILISTIC ARE
EITHER SIDE?
THE MORE AGGRESSIVE
CANDIDATE TOMORROW
MORNING IS THE ONE WHO
THINKS THEY LOST.
>> WE'LL BE WATCHING
BODY LANGUAGE AS
ALWAYS.
CHUCK AND TOM, GREAT
TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
BY WAY, THE NEXT
DEBATE TAKES PLACE
OCTOBER 4th BETWEEN
VICE PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATES TIM KAINE
AND MIKE PENCE.
COVERAGE OF TONIGHT'S
DEBATE CONTINUES RIGHT
NOW ON MSNBC.
WE WILL HAVE FULL
COVERAGE FIRST THING
IN THE MORNING ON
\"TODAY,\" LATER ON
\"NIGHTLY NEWS WITH
LESTER HOLT.\"

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