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  • (Joni MitchellUrge For Going")

  • - [Joni] People were very protective of me,

  • overly so, I mean, I was in the industry

  • for a long time before I had any idea

  • of what drugs people were doing, you know.

  • I just said, "Jeez, he's looking awful skinny.

  • "Why? Doesn't he have an appetite?"

  • You know, I was very, very sheltered

  • when I first entered into it.

  • I was young for my age, not as naive

  • as they expected, but you know,

  • I don't know why I seem to bring that out in people.

  • That's Miss Puss.

  • - [Joe] Hi, Miss Puss.

  • - [Joni] She's saying hello.

  • (light guitar music plays)

  • - [Joni] You know, I like my freedom,

  • I like to do my own grocery shopping.

  • People do recognize you.

  • They are kind of shocked.

  • Some people like it, it makes them feel at ease,

  • you know, it confirms their hopes

  • that you are, in fact, similar to them, you know.

  • Some people can't stand it.

  • One time, I sat down, we had good tickets

  • on the floor at some rock concert

  • and we moved in, we got there late,

  • and the fellow sitting next to me said,

  • "You can't sit here."

  • I said, "Why not? I've got tickets."

  • "But you're Joni Mitchell."

  • I said, "So?"

  • He said, "Well you shouldn't be sitting there.

  • "You should be backstage or you should be up in that box."

  • He was very annoyed.

  • Some people are upset to see you doing ordinary things.

  • Those people, if they were a celebrity,

  • they would have an entourage, you know.

  • If you see yourself as a kingly type,

  • then you need serfs and your army and someone around you.

  • (light guitar music plays)

  • - [Joni] I like to move around.

  • I travel, I've driven across country by myself.

  • When I felt, you know, people were nosing me out,

  • well I moved on, I used traveling names,

  • wigs if necessary.

  • I didn't think I had much of a following in the South,

  • I thought I was anonymous down there,

  • so I kept to the South but I found

  • that in certain pockets that I was quite recognizable

  • and I just hit a wig store.

  • (light guitar music plays)

  • - [Joni] At that time, I was pretty much

  • a Good Time Charlie, I was a bad student

  • in the school system.

  • I failed the 12th grade.

  • I had done my book reports from classic comics.

  • - [Joe] Oh really?

  • - [Joni] I was anti-intellectual to the nth.

  • Basically, I liked to dance and paint and that was about it

  • and as far as serious discussions went,

  • at that time, most of them were overtly

  • pseudo-intellectual and boring, you know,

  • like to see teenagers sitting around

  • solving the problems of the world,

  • I thought, "All things considered, I'd rather be dancing."

  • (light guitar music plays)

  • - [Joni] I liked playing in small clubs.

  • I really liked holding the attention of 30 or 40 people.

  • I'd never liked the roar of the big crowd.

  • I didn't like the sound of people gasping

  • at the mere mention of my name.

  • It horrified me.

  • It also, for a lot of reasons,

  • because I knew people were fickle

  • and I knew that they were buying an illusion,

  • I didn't want there to be such a gulf

  • between who I presented and who I was.

  • As Geffen pointed out, he said,

  • "You're the only star I ever met

  • "that wanted to be ordinary."

  • You know, I never really wanted to be a star.

  • I didn't like entering a room with all eyes on me.

  • I still don't really like the attention of a birthday party.

  • I prefer Christmas, you know,

  • which is everybody's holiday.

  • You know, it's just my nature.

  • I don't like to be that zeroed in on like en masse.

  • Over the years, I've adjusted to it.

  • Now, I'm the other way around.

  • You can give me 400,000 hostile people

  • and I won't even break sweat

  • but if you give me 200 adoring people,

  • my mouth will dry up.

  • I don't know how to sell out.

  • If I tried to sell out, I don't think I could.

  • By that, I mean to make an attempt

  • to make a commercial record.

  • I just make 'em and I think,

  • "If I was a kid, I would like this song."

  • You know, so you have to have a certain amount

  • of grab-ability initially and then something

  • that wears well that you'll love for years to come.

  • That's what anything fine is.

  • It's recognized in painting, it's not recognized.

  • I'm just working in a toss away industry, you know.

  • I'm a fine artist working in a commercial arena, you know,

  • so that's my cross to bear.

  • ("Both Sides Now" by Joni Mitchell)

  • - [Joni] I have lost my credibility as a hit maker

  • because of these side excursions

  • into other branches of music,

  • by not being consistent, consistency seems to be

  • all important. - [Joe] Do you regret it?

  • Oh, I would do the same thing in a minute.

  • Are you kidding?

  • Oh, I don't, no, I have no regret.

  • - [Joe] Have you accepted the fact that you don't sell more?

  • I mean, is it, does it make you angry?

  • - [Joni] What I'm telling you is

  • no, it doesn't make me angry.

  • It makes me curious why.

  • (light guitar music plays)

  • - [Joe] Do you ever get periods where nothing comes,

  • I mean, when you're writing?

  • Are there dry periods there

  • or are you prolific enough to keep writing?

  • - [Joni] Musically, I would never run dry.

  • Any time I sit down to an instrument, I could write a song.

  • You know, I try not to steal from myself,

  • but the modalities create similarities, you know.

  • Musically, I don't think I'd ever dry up.

  • I trust my musical invention.

  • Lyrics are hard.

  • (light guitar music plays)

(Joni MitchellUrge For Going")

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