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THE PRESIDENT: Good morning, everybody. As you know, I just met with leaders of both
parties to discuss a way forward in light of the severe budget cuts that start to take
effect today. I told them these cuts will hurt our economy. They will cost us jobs.
And to set it right, both sides need to be willing to compromise.
The good news is the American people are strong and they're resilient. They fought hard to
recover from the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, and we will get through
this as well. Even with these cuts in place, folks all across this country will work hard
to make sure that we keep the recovery going. But Washington sure isn't making it easy.
At a time when our businesses have finally begun to get some traction -- hiring new workers,
bringing jobs back to America -- we shouldn't be making a series of dumb, arbitrary cuts
to things that businesses depend on and workers depend on, like education, and research, and
infrastructure and defense. It's unnecessary. And at a time when too many Americans are
still looking for work, it's inexcusable.
Now, what's important to understand is that not everyone will feel the pain of these cuts
right away. The pain, though, will be real. Beginning this week, many middle-class families
will have their lives disrupted in significant ways. Businesses that work with the military,
like the Virginia shipbuilder that I visited on Tuesday, may have to lay folks off. Communities
near military bases will take a serious blow. Hundreds of thousands of Americans who serve
their country -- Border Patrol agents, FBI agents, civilians who work at the Pentagon
-- all will suffer significant pay cuts and furloughs.
All of this will cause a ripple effect throughout our economy. Layoffs and pay cuts means that
people have less money in their pockets, and that means that they have less money to spend
at local businesses. That means lower profits. That means fewer hires. The longer these cuts
remain in place, the greater the damage to our economy -- a slow grind that will intensify
with each passing day.
So economists are estimating that as a consequence of this sequester, that we could see growth
cut by over one-half of 1 percent. It will cost about 750,000 jobs at a time when we
should be growing jobs more quickly. So every time that we get a piece of economic news,
over the next month, next two months, next six months, as long as the sequester is in
place, we'll know that that economic news could have been better if Congress had not
failed to act.
And let's be clear. None of this is necessary. It's happening because of a choice that Republicans
in Congress have made. They've allowed these cuts to happen because they refuse to budge
on closing a single wasteful loophole to help reduce the deficit. As recently as yesterday,
they decided to protect special interest tax breaks for the well-off and well-connected,
and they think that that's apparently more important than protecting our military or
middle-class families from the pain of these cuts.
I do believe that we can and must replace these cuts with a more balanced approach that
asks something from everybody: Smart spending cuts; entitlement reform; tax reform that
makes the tax code more fair for families and businesses without raising tax rates -- all
so that we can responsibly lower the deficit without laying off workers, or forcing parents
to scramble for childcare, or slashing financial aid for college students.
I don't think that's too much to ask. I don't think that is partisan. It's the kind of approach
that I've proposed for two years. It's what I ran on last year. And the majority of the
American people agree with me in this approach, including, by the way, a majority of Republicans.
We just need Republicans in Congress to catch up with their own party and their country
on this. And if they did so, we could make a lot of progress.
I do know that there are Republicans in Congress who privately, at least, say that they would
rather close tax loopholes than let these cuts go through. I know that there are Democrats
who'd rather do smart entitlement reform than let these cuts go through. So there is a caucus
of common sense up on Capitol Hill. It's just -- it's a silent group right now, and we want
to make sure that their voices start getting heard.
In the coming days and in the coming weeks I'm going to keep on reaching out to them,
both individually and as groups of senators or members of the House, and say to them,
let's fix this -- not just for a month or two, but for years to come. Because the greatest
nation on Earth does not conduct its business in month-to-month increments, or by careening
from crisis to crisis. And America has got a lot more work to do.
In the meantime, we can't let political gridlock around the budget stand in the way of other
areas where we can make progress. I was pleased to see that the House passed the Violence
Against Women Act yesterday. That is a big win for not just women but for families and
for the American people. It's a law that's going to save lives and help more Americans
live free from fear. It's something that we've been pushing on for a long time. I was glad
to see that done. And it's an example of how we can still get some important bipartisan
legislation through this Congress even though there is still these fiscal arguments taking
And I think there are other areas where we can make progress even with the sequester
unresolved. I will continue to push for those initiatives. I'm going to keep pushing for
high-quality preschool for every family that wants it. I'm going to keep pushing to make
sure that we raise the minimum wage so that it's one that families can live on. I'm going
to keep on pushing for immigration reform, and reform our voting system, and improvements
on our transportation sector. And I'm going to keep pushing for sensible gun reforms because
I still think they deserve a vote.
This is the agenda that the American people voted for. These are America's priorities.
They are too important to go unaddressed. And I'm going to keep pushing to make sure
that we see them through.
So with that, I'm going to take some questions. I'm going to start with Julie.
Q Thank you, Mr. President. How much responsibility do you feel like you bear for these cuts taking
effect? And is the only way to offset them at this point for Republicans to bend on revenue,
or do you see any alternatives?
THE PRESIDENT: Look, we've already cut $2.5 trillion in our deficit. Everybody says we
need to cut $4 trillion, which means we have to come up with another trillion and a half.
The vast majority of economists agree that the problem when it comes to deficits is not
discretionary spending. It's not that we're spending too much money on education. It's
not that we're spending too much money on job training, or that we're spending too much
money rebuilding our roads and our bridges. We're not.
The problem that we have is a long-term problem in terms of our health care costs and programs
like Medicare. And what I've said very specifically, very detailed is that I'm prepared to take
on the problem where it exists -- on entitlements -- and do some things that my own party really
doesn't like -- if it's part of a broader package of sensible deficit reduction. So
the deal that I've put forward over the last two years, the deal that I put forward as
recently as December is still on the table. I am prepared to do hard things and to push
my Democratic friends to do hard things.
But what I can't do is ask middle-class families, ask seniors, ask students to bear the entire
burden of deficit reduction when we know we've got a bunch of tax loopholes that are benefiting
the well-off and the well-connected, aren't contributing to growth, aren't contributing
to our economy. It's not fair. It's not right. The American people don't think it's fair
and don't think it's right.
So I recognize that Speaker Boehner has got challenges in his caucus. I recognize that
it's very hard for Republican leaders to be perceived as making concessions to me. Sometimes,
I reflect is there something else I could do to make these guys -- I'm not talking about
the leaders now, but maybe some of the House Republican caucus members -- not paint horns
on my head. And I genuinely believe that there's an opportunity for us to cooperate.
But what doesn't make sense -- and the only thing that we've seen from Republicans so
far in terms of proposals -- is to replace this set of arbitrary cuts with even worse
arbitrary cuts. That's not going to help the economy. That's not going to help growth.
That's not going to create jobs. And as a number of economists have noted, ironically,
it doesn't even reduce our deficit in the smartest way possible or the fastest way possible.
So in terms of going forward, my hope is that after some reflection -- as members of Congress
start hearing from constituents who are being negatively impacted, as we start seeing the
impact that the sequester is having -- that they step back and say, all right, is there
a way for us to move forward on a package of entitlement reforms, tax reform, not raising
tax rates, identifying programs that don't work, coming up with a plan that's comprehensive
and that makes sense. And it may take a couple of weeks. It may take a couple of months,
but I'm just going to keep on pushing on it. And my view is that, ultimately, common sense
But what is true right now is that the Republicans have made a choice that maintaining an ironclad rule that we will
not accept an extra dime's worth of revenue makes it very difficult for us to get any
larger comprehensive deal. And that's a choice they're making. They're saying that it's more
important to preserve these tax loopholes than it is to prevent these arbitrary cuts.
And what's interesting is Speaker Boehner, just a couple months ago, identified these
tax loopholes and tax breaks and said we should close them and raise revenue. So it's not
as if it's not possible to do. They themselves have suggested that it's possible to do. And
if they believe that in fact these tax loopholes and these tax breaks for the well-off and
the well-connected aren't contributing to growth, aren't good for our economy, aren't
particularly fair and can raise revenue, well, why don't we get started? Why don't we do
It may be that because of the politics within the Republican Party, they can't do it right
now. I understand that. My hope is, is that they can do it later.
And I just want to repeat, Julie, because I think it's very important to understand,
it's not as if Democrats aren't being asked to do anything, either, to compromise. There
are members of my party who violently disagree with the notion that we should do anything
on Medicare. And I'm willing to say to them, I disagree with you, because I want to preserve
Medicare for the long haul. And we're going to have some tough politics within my party
to get this done.
This is not a situation where I'm only asking for concessions from Republicans and asking
nothing from Democrats. I'm saying that everybody is going to have to do something. And the
one key to this whole thing is trying to make sure we keep in mind who we're here for. We
are not here for ourselves, we're not here for our parties, we're not here to advance
our electoral prospects. We're here for American families who have been getting battered pretty
good over the last four years, are just starting to see the economy improve; businesses are
just starting to see some confidence coming back. And this is not a win for anybody, this
is a loss for the American people.
And, again, if we step back and just remind ourselves what it is we're supposed to be
doing here, then hopefully common sense will out in the end.
Q It sounds like you're saying that this is a Republican problem and not one that you
bear any responsibility for.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, Julie, give me an example of what I might do.
Q I'm just trying to clarify your statement.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, no, but I'm trying to clarify the question. What I'm suggesting
is, I've put forward a plan that calls for serious spending cuts, serious entitlement
reforms, goes right at the problem that is at the heart of our long-term deficit problem.
I've offered negotiations around that kind of balanced approach. And so far, we've gotten
rebuffed because what Speaker Boehner and the Republicans have said is, we cannot do
any revenue, we can't do a dime's worth of revenue.
So what more do you think I should do? Okay, I just wanted to clarify. (Laughter.) Because
if people have a suggestion, I'm happy to -- this is a room full of smart folks.
All right -- Zach Goldfarb.
Q Mr. President, the next focal point seems to be the continuing resolution that's funding
the government at the end of the month, that expires at the end of the month. Would you
sign a CR that continues the sequester but continues to fund the government? And in a
related point, how do you truly reach the limits of your persuasive power? Is there
any other leverage you have to convince the Republicans, to convince folks that this isn't
the way to go?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I'd like to think I've still got some persuasive power left. Let
me check. (Laughter.) Look, the issue is not my persuasive power. The American people agree
with my approach. They agree that we should have a balanced approach to deficit reduction.
The question is can the American people help persuade their members of Congress to do the
right thing, and I have a lot of confidence that over time, if the American people express
their displeasure about how something is working, that eventually Congress responds. Sometimes
there is a little gap between what the American people think and what Congress thinks. But
eventually Congress catches up.
With respect to the budget and keeping the government open -- I'll try for our viewing
audience to make sure that we're not talking in Washington gobbledygook. What's called
the continuing resolution, which is essentially just an extension of last year's budget into
this year's budget to make sure that basic government functions continue, I think it's
the right thing to do to make sure that we don't have a government shutdown. And that's
We have a Budget Control Act, right? We agreed to a certain amount of money that was going
to be spent each year, and certain funding levels for our military, our education system,
and so forth. If we stick to that deal, then I will be supportive of us sticking to that
deal. It's a deal that I made.
The sequester are additional cuts on top of that. And by law, until Congress takes the
sequester away, we'd have to abide by those additional cuts. But there's no reason why
we should have another crisis by shutting the government down in addition to these arbitrary
spending cuts.
Q Just to make it 100 percent clear, you'd sign a budget that continues to fund the government
even at the lower levels of the sequester, even if you don't prefer to do that?
THE PRESIDENT: Zach, I'm not going to -- I never want to make myself 100 percent clear
with you guys. (Laughter.) But I think it's fair to say that I made a deal for a certain
budget, certain numbers. There's no reason why that deal needs to be reopened. It was
a deal that Speaker Boehner made as well, and all the leadership made. And if the bill
that arrives on my desk is reflective of the commitments that we've previously made, then
obviously I would sign it because I want to make sure that we keep on doing what we need
to do for the American people.
Q Mr. President, to your question, what could you do -- first of all, couldn't you just
have them down here and refuse to let them leave the room until you have a deal? (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: I mean, Jessica, I am not a dictator. I'm the President. So, ultimately,
if Mitch McConnell or John Boehner say, we need to go to catch a plane, I can't have
Secret Service block the doorway, right? So --
Q But isn't that part of leadership? I'm sorry to interrupt, but isn't --
THE PRESIDENT: I understand. And I know that this has been some of the conventional wisdom
that's been floating around Washington that somehow, even though most people agree that
I'm being reasonable, that most people agree I'm presenting a fair deal, the fact that
they don't take it means that I should somehow do a Jedi mind-meld with these folks and convince
them to do what's right. Well, they're elected. We have a constitutional system of government.
The Speaker of the House and the leader of the Senate and all those folks have responsibilities.
What I can do is I can make the best possible case for why we need to do the right thing.
I can speak to the American people about the consequences of the decisions that Congress
is making or the lack of decision-making by Congress. But, ultimately, it's a choice they
And this idea that somehow there's a secret formula or secret sauce to get Speaker Boehner
or Mitch McConnell to say, you know what, Mr. President, you're right, we should close
some tax loopholes for the well-off and well-connected in exchange for some serious entitlement reform
and spending cuts of programs we don't need. I think if there was a secret way to do that,
I would have tried it. I would have done it.
What I can do is I can make the best possible argument. And I can offer concessions, and
I can offer compromise. I can negotiate. I can make sure that my party is willing to
compromise and is not being ideological or thinking about these just in terms of political
terms. And I think I've done that and I will continue to do that.
But what I can't do is force Congress to do the right thing. The American people may have
the capacity to do that. And in the absence of a decision on the part of the Speaker of
the House and others to put middle-class families ahead of whatever political imperatives he
might have right now, we're going to have these cuts in place. But, again, I'm hopeful
about human nature. I think that over time people do the right thing. And I will keep
on reaching out and seeing if there are other formulas or other ways to jigger this thing
into place so that we get a better result.
Q What do you say to the people like Mayor Bloomberg -- who is no critic of yours in
general; he endorsed you -- who argues that there is some what he calls "posturing" in
these claims that there are going to be big layoffs and a lot of people out of work, and
thinks that the effects of the spending cuts are being overstated by the administration?
THE PRESIDENT: Well Jessica, look, I'll just give you an example. The Department of Defense
right now has to figure out how the children of military families are going to continue
with their schooling over the next several months, because teachers at these Army bases
are typically civilians. They are therefore subject to furlough, which means that they
may not be able to teach one day a week.
Now, I expect that we'll be able to manage around it. But if I'm a man or woman in uniform
in Afghanistan right now, the notion that my spouse back home is having to worry about
whether or not our kids are getting the best education possible, the notion that my school
for my children on an Army base might be disrupted because Congress didn't act, that's an impact.
Now, Mayor Bloomberg and others may not feel that impact. I suspect they won't. But that
family will.
The Border Patrol agents who are out there in the hot sun, doing what Congress said they're
supposed to be doing, finding out suddenly that they're getting a 10-percent pay cut
and having to go home and explain that to their families, I don't think they feel like
this is an exaggerated impact. So I guess it depends on where you sit.
Now, what is absolutely true is that not everybody is going to feel it. Not everybody is going
to feel it all at once. What is true is that the accumulation of those stories all across
this country, folks who suddenly -- might have been working all their lives to get an
education, just so that they can get that job and get out of welfare and they've got
their kid in Head Start, and now, suddenly, that Head Start slot is gone and they're trying
to figure out how am I going to keep my job, because I can't afford child care for my kid;
some of the suppliers for those shipbuilders down in Virginia, where you've got some suppliers
who are small businesses, this is all they do, and they may shut down those companies,
and their employees are going to be laid off -- the accumulation of all of those stories
of impact is going to make our economy weaker. It's going to mean less growth. It's going
to mean hundreds of thousands of jobs lost.
That is real. That's not -- we're not making that up. That's not a scare tactic, that's
a fact.
Starting tomorrow, everybody here, all the folks who are cleaning the floors at the Capitol
-- now that Congress has left, somebody is going to be vacuuming and cleaning those floors
and throwing out the garbage -- they're going to have less pay. The janitors, the security
guards, they just got a pay cut, and they've got to figure out how to manage that. That's
So I want to be very clear here. It is absolutely true that this is not going to precipitate
the kind of crisis we talked about with America defaulting and some of the problems around
the debt ceiling. I don't anticipate a huge financial crisis, but people are going to
be hurt. The economy will not grow as quickly as it would have. Unemployment will not go
down as quickly as it would have -- and there are lives behind that. And that's real. And
it's not necessary -- that's the problem.
Christi Parsons.
Q Thank you.
THE PRESIDENT: Hey, Christi.
Q Mr. President, your administration weighed in yesterday on the Proposition 8 case. A
few months ago it looked like you might be averse to doing that, and I just wondered
if you could talk a little bit about your deliberations and how your thinking evolved
on that. Were there conversations that were important to you? Were there things that you
read that influenced your thinking?
THE PRESIDENT: As everybody here knows, last year, upon a long period of reflection, I
concluded that we cannot discriminate against same-sex couples when it comes to marriage;
that the basic principle that America is founded on -- the idea that we're all created equal
-- applies to everybody, regardless of sexual orientation, as well as race or gender or
religion or ethnicity.
And I think that the same evolution that I've gone through is an evolution that the country
as a whole has gone through. And I think it is a profoundly positive thing. So that when
the Supreme Court essentially called the question by taking this case about California's law,
I didn't feel like that was something that this administration could avoid. I felt it
was important for us to articulate what I believe and what this administration stands
And although I do think that we're seeing, on a state-by-state basis, progress being
made -- more and more states recognizing same-sex couples and giving them the opportunity to
marry and maintain all the benefits of marriage that heterosexual couples do -- when the Supreme
Court asks, do you think that the California law, which doesn't provide any rationale for
discriminating against same-sex couples other than just the notion that, well, they're same-sex
couples, if the Supreme Court asks me or my Attorney General or Solicitor General, do
we think that meets constitutional muster, I felt it was important for us to answer that
question honestly -- and the answer is no.
Q And given the fact that you do hold that position about gay marriage, I wonder if you
thought about just -- once you made the decision to weigh in, why not just argue that marriage
is a right that should be available to all people of this country?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, that's an argument that I've made personally. The Solicitor General
in his institutional role going before the Supreme Court is obliged to answer the specific
question before them. And the specific question presented before the Court right now is whether
Prop 8 and the California law is unconstitutional.
And what we've done is we've put forward a basic principle, which is -- which applies
to all equal protection cases. Whenever a particular group is being discriminated against,
the Court asks the question, what's the rationale for this -- and it better be a good reason.
And if you don't have a good reason, we're going to strike it down.
And what we've said is, is that same-sex couples are a group, a class that deserves heightened
scrutiny, that the Supreme Court needs to ask the state why it's doing it. And if the
state doesn't have a good reason, it should be struck down. That's the core principle
as applied to this case.
Now, the Court may decide that if it doesn't apply in this case, it probably can't apply
in any case. There's no good reason for it. If I were on the Court, that would probably
be the view that I'd put forward. But I'm not a judge, I'm the President. So the basic
principle, though, is let's treat everybody fairly and let's treat everybody equally.
And I think that the brief that's been presented accurately reflects our views.
Ari Shapiro.
Q Thank you, Mr. President. You said a few minutes ago and you've said repeatedly that
the country has to stop careening from crisis to crisis.
Q So with a few crises behind us and a few more crises ahead of us, taking a step back
from this specific debate over the sequester, how, as the leader of this country, do you
plan to stop the country from careening from crisis to crisis?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, a couple of things. Number one is to make sure that we keep making progress
wherever we can on things that are important to middle-class Americans and those who are
fighting to get into the middle class. So if you set aside budget fights for a second,
we've been able to get now the Violence Against Women Act done. The conversations that are
taking place on a bipartisan basis around immigration reform are moving forward. We've
seen great interest in a bipartisan fashion around how we can continue to improve our
education system, including around early childhood education. There have been constructive discussions
around how do we reduce gun violence.
And what I'm going to keep on trying to do is to make sure that we push on those things
that are important to families. And we won't get everything done all at once, but we can
get a lot done. So that's point number one.
With respect to the budget, what I've done is to make a case to the American people that
we have to make sure that we have a balanced approach to deficit reduction, but that deficit
reduction alone is not an economic policy. And part of the challenge that we've had here
is that not only Congress, but I think Washington generally spends all its time together about
deficits and doesn't spend a lot of time talking about how do we create jobs. So I want to
make sure that we're talking about both.
I think that, for example, we could put a lot of people back to work right now rebuilding
our roads and bridges. And this is deferred maintenance. We know we're going to have to
do it. And I went to a bridge that connects Mitch McConnell's state to John Boehner's
state, and it was a rotten bridge and everybody knows it. And I'll bet they really want to
see that improved. Well, how do we do it? Let's have a conversation about it. That will
create jobs. It will be good for businesses, reduce commuter times, improve commuter safety.
That has to be part of this conversation, not just this constant argument about cutting
and spending.
So I guess my point is, Ari, that what I want to try to do is to make sure that we're constantly
focused, that our true north is on how are we helping American families succeed. Deficit
reduction is part of that agenda and an important part. But it's not the only part. And I don't
want us to be paralyzed on everything just because we disagree on this one thing.
And as I already said to Jessica, what I'm also hoping is, is that, over time -- perhaps
after Republicans step back and maybe they can say, you know what, we stuck tough on
the sequester, and this makes us feel good, and the Republican caucus is in a better mood
when they come back -- maybe then we can have a more serious discussion about what the real
problems on deficit and deficit reduction are.
And the good thing about America is that sometimes we get to these bottlenecks and we get stuck,
and you have these sharp, partisan fights, but the American people pretty steadily are
common sense and practical, and eventually, that common-sense, practical approach wins
out. And I think that's what will happen here as well.
And, in the meantime, just to make the final point about the sequester, we will get through
this. This is not going to be a apocalypse, I think as some people have said. It's just
dumb. And it's going to hurt. It's going to hurt individual people and it's going to hurt
the economy overall.
But if Congress comes to its senses a week from now, a month from now, three months from
now, then there's a lot of open running room there for us to grow our economy much more
quickly and to advance the agenda of the American people dramatically. So this is a temporary
stop on what I believe is the long-term, outstanding prospect for American growth and greatness.
Thank you very much.


削減聯邦預算及政府財政 (2013 Sequestration: Cuts to the U.S. Federal Budget and U.S. Government Finance)

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